very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
Great explain, Dog-One. I agree too. you say like fluorescent lamp circuit. JP said "about discovery of VIC from fluorescent lamp circuit from Stan's brother".Quote from Dog-One on December 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
thanks
geenee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtXE7s5DlcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-y9gjjkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkq-fvb5-NI&playnext=1&list=PL333FED5C3484C3D8&feature=results_main
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFY5WFcxplg
how to put a dc bias on a ac signal>>>>>>http://www.ehow.com/how_7649522_put-dc-bias-ac-signal.html
i will add some additional information when i lean more about this process of dc bias.
also i will review Stan patent to find the key features. :):P the secret has be relieved.
cheers..:angel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huxe9dG7-7Q
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US4798661.pdf
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US4233132.pdf
http://www.google.com/patents/US6790324?pg=PA1&dq=4,798,661&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-0DVUJeDHoWX0QHSqYDADA&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=4%2C798%2C661&f=false
based on Stan patent. DC bias a AC signal E-how http://www.ehow.com/how_7649522_put-dc-bias-ac-signal.html
Best Answer
DC Bias voltage is what one would apply to an AC signal to make all parts of the signal have the same polarity. One application of DC bias is in amplification. The audio signal from a microphone or detector is an AC signal, with both positive and negative polarities at different times. A transistor cannot amplify negative and positive voltages, so a DC bias is applied to the signal causing the entire signal to be either positive or negative. The transistor can then amplify this signal and after amplification, the DC component is removed. Another application might be in setting the switch point of a comparator - a device that has two output states which are determined by the voltage at the input.
more info>>This is done all the time and the solution is extremely simple. If you have a satellite, then the power is supplied to the dish LNB through same coax.
You know that a capacitor will only allow AC to go through and block DC. On the other hand, an inductor will tend to block AC but will let DC to go through. Put those together and you have a bias Tee.
http://epic.mcmaster.ca/~elmer101/dcac.html
there is more then one way to skin a cat!
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6052050.pdf
Use an op amp. Feed the DC to the non-inverting input and the AC to the inverting input.
cheers:(
I find it interesting that he said he (Bob Boyce) was unable to get it to work using tubes.
I find it interesting he saw this while doing normal electrolocyess.
I find it interesting as he changed the frequency he could make different cells come into resonance at different times. Does this mean that spacing is very very important to the resonant frequency?
After thinking more about geenee's post:Quote from DanB on December 28th, 2012, 02:36 PM I find it interesting that he said he (Bob Boyce) was unable to get it to work using tubes.
I find it interesting he saw this while doing normal electrolocyess.
I find it interesting as he changed the frequency he could make different cells come into resonance at different times. Does this mean that spacing is very very important to the resonant frequency?
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=876&pid=11040#pid11040
Maybe we ought to look at cell conditioning a whole lot more. If you have a good solid oxide layer on the positive electrodes (whether they be tubes or plates), measuring the WFC capacitance should be a walk in the park; with that you can build your coil to perfectly match the cell and go straight to resonance with very little tuning. Think about large capacitance too, in the order of 500 to 1000 uF. Big capacitor, big coil, low frequency, high voltage, lots of gas. Could it be this one little step of conditioning we are missing that is holding us back?
Here's something to consider: what happens when you charge an electrolytic capacitor above its rated voltage? Does it not create hydrogen gas inside and eventually explode? What if we do this on purpose within a WFC? Charge it right up to the point where it's just about to let go and then hit it hard with another pulse of voltage that takes it over the top. All the while letting resonance do most of the work for us so our power consumption is relatively low. Making sense?
Something tells me this is a whole lot easier than we have been making it out to be.
Antiferromagnetism plays a crucial role in giant magnetoresistance, as had been discovered in 1988 by the Nobel prize winners Albert Fert and Peter Grünberg (awarded in 2007).
There are also examples of disordered materials (such as iron phosphate glasses) that become antiferromagnetic below their Néel temperature. These disordered networks 'frustrate' the antiparallelism of adjacent spins; i.e. it is not possible to construct a network where each spin is surrounded by opposite neighbour spins. It can only be determined that the average correlation of neighbour spins is antiferromagnetic. This type of magnetism is sometimes called speromagnetism.
Giant magnetoresistance (GMR) is a quantum mechanical magnetoresistance effect observed in thin-film structures composed of alternating ferromagnetic and non-magnetic conductive layers. The 2007 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Albert Fert and Peter Grünberg for the discovery of GMR.
The effect is observed as a significant change in the electrical resistance depending on whether the magnetization of adjacent ferromagnetic layers are in a parallel or an antiparallel alignment. The overall resistance is relatively low for parallel alignment and relatively high for antiparallel alignment. The magnetization direction can be controlled, for example, by applying an external magnetic field. The effect is based on the dependence of electron scattering on the spin orientation.
In one of the videos Stan mentions that before the invention stainless steel the WFC was not possible. I think he mentions using 304 SS but I could be wrong. I did some jumping down Wikipedia rabbit holes, lets see if any of it makes sense. lol :PQuote from Dog-One on December 28th, 2012, 11:26 PM After thinking more about geenee's post:Quote from DanB on December 28th, 2012, 02:36 PM I find it interesting that he said he (Bob Boyce) was unable to get it to work using tubes.
I find it interesting he saw this while doing normal electrolocyess.
I find it interesting as he changed the frequency he could make different cells come into resonance at different times. Does this mean that spacing is very very important to the resonant frequency?
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=876&pid=11040#pid11040
Maybe we ought to look at cell conditioning a whole lot more. If you have a good solid oxide layer on the positive electrodes (whether they be tubes or plates), measuring the WFC capacitance should be a walk in the park; with that you can build your coil to perfectly match the cell and go straight to resonance with very little tuning. Think about large capacitance too, in the order of 500 to 1000 uF. Big capacitor, big coil, low frequency, high voltage, lots of gas. Could it be this one little step of conditioning we are missing that is holding us back?
Here's something to consider: what happens when you charge an electrolytic capacitor above its rated voltage? Does it not create hydrogen gas inside and eventually explode? What if we do this on purpose within a WFC? Charge it right up to the point where it's just about to let go and then hit it hard with another pulse of voltage that takes it over the top. All the while letting resonance do most of the work for us so our power consumption is relatively low. Making sense?
Something tells me this is a whole lot easier than we have been making it out to be.
According to the chart in this page 304 stainless has 18 to 20% Chromium content. The only grades with more are 310 and 314, which they don't even describe above that chart.
OK, so if oxidation layer would play a role, I’m sure we aren’t looking for rust. That would leave Chromium oxide. I know other people have tried some sort of conditioning, but perhaps it is not an chromium oxide layer they are building. So apperently there are many types of Chromium oxide, and the one I stopped at because I found it more interesting was Chromium III oxide. On that Wikipedia page there is a picture of a green powder. I haven't seen any green on Stan's cells that I remember. What I did find interesting was that it has a property called antiferromagnetic. Clicking on that brings you to a Wikipedia page where you find this in the "Other Properties" section:This is starting to sound like EPG gas lattice theories to me.:P So we have a new fancy name of Giant Magnetoresistance. The first four sentences here sound very desirable in our situation:Quote Antiferromagnetism plays a crucial role in giant magnetoresistance, as had been discovered in 1988 by the Nobel prize winners Albert Fert and Peter Grünberg (awarded in 2007).
There are also examples of disordered materials (such as iron phosphate glasses) that become antiferromagnetic below their Néel temperature. These disordered networks 'frustrate' the antiparallelism of adjacent spins; i.e. it is not possible to construct a network where each spin is surrounded by opposite neighbour spins. It can only be determined that the average correlation of neighbour spins is antiferromagnetic. This type of magnetism is sometimes called speromagnetism.So can the WFC effectivly be turned into a solid state switching device? I need to do more reading on this when it is not 3 AM. lol I see some talk about "magnetic superlattice", very interesting...Quote Giant magnetoresistance (GMR) is a quantum mechanical magnetoresistance effect observed in thin-film structures composed of alternating ferromagnetic and non-magnetic conductive layers. The 2007 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Albert Fert and Peter Grünberg for the discovery of GMR.
The effect is observed as a significant change in the electrical resistance depending on whether the magnetization of adjacent ferromagnetic layers are in a parallel or an antiparallel alignment. The overall resistance is relatively low for parallel alignment and relatively high for antiparallel alignment. The magnetization direction can be controlled, for example, by applying an external magnetic field. The effect is based on the dependence of electron scattering on the spin orientation.
Nate
Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
Hi Group, My way of thinking on Geenee post is ,If your pushing a child in a swing the higher you push the swing the timimg gets longer and in the case of water it may very well be that the freq. of hydrogen may be different from the right freq. for oxgen and a third freq. for the chemical additive . this would give tou a bunch of harmoics if all these freq. are superhetrodined thats a lot fifferent freq. plus changes in the load and temp.it gets very complex . The vidio of the guys in ausrtralua is also very discourging All this is just my thoughs and not researched facts . Thanks for reading Ed Hemphill
I think its a sound strategy.Quote from Dog-One on December 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
And to find the harmonics that play between the plates, one can use a soundcard in the computer. Registering each sound per plate or tube, one can align them to each other.
One better is to align them as a harmonic child to the much higher frequency of the bonds that you want to break. I.e. the frequency between the bonds between H and O.
The childs are known by devision to a whole number
interesting comparison..Quote from FaradayEZ on December 30th, 2012, 07:02 AM I think its a sound strategy.Quote from Dog-One on December 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
And to find the harmonics that play between the plates, one can use a soundcard in the computer. Registering each sound per plate or tube, one can align them to each other.
One better is to align them as a harmonic child to the much higher frequency of the bonds that you want to break. I.e. the frequency between the bonds between H and O.
The childs are known by devision to a whole number
you can modulate harmonics also. like you said?
the step up is one frequency at a time i would presume. Frequency as in the 4 or 5 stages of harmonic oscillation.
to apply harmonic induction on the quantum level. UV light, or a warm infra red heater may be beneficial.
hooking it up as an audio power supply, and amplifier.
I am then apply to a base, speaker. below the cell. This should beneficial. any one can test this theory.
A deep base is applied to break the surface tension in the water. Enclosed in a pLEXY glass.
Are you feeling it?:heart::heart::heart:
one improvement can be a circulating pump. electrification or conditioning the water. by moving fluid through glass tube perhaps. a way to include charge on the water molecules..
Yes you can, by shortening a meyer pipe you get a higher sound.Quote from freethisone on December 30th, 2012, 01:44 PM interesting comparison..Quote from FaradayEZ on December 30th, 2012, 07:02 AM I think its a sound strategy.Quote from Dog-One on December 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:Quote from geenee on December 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM very dangerous radiant energy!!!who can tap and control it, will be like Tesla,Meyer,Puharich and Bob Boyce.
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
And to find the harmonics that play between the plates, one can use a soundcard in the computer. Registering each sound per plate or tube, one can align them to each other.
One better is to align them as a harmonic child to the much higher frequency of the bonds that you want to break. I.e. the frequency between the bonds between H and O.
The childs are known by devision to a whole number
you can modulate harmonics also. like you said?
the step up is one frequency at a time i would presume. Frequency as in the 4 or 5 stages of harmonic oscillation.
to apply harmonic induction on the quantum level. UV light, or a warm infra red heater may be beneficial.
hooking it up as an audio power supply, and amplifier.
I am then apply to a base, speaker. below the cell. This should beneficial. any one can test this theory.
A deep base is applied to break the surface tension in the water. Enclosed in a pLEXY glass.
Are you feeling it?:heart::heart::heart:
one improvement can be a circulating pump. electrification or conditioning the water. by moving fluid through glass tube perhaps. a way to include charge on the water molecules..
You take the most important frequency as a base to work with.
Look at it this way; if the bonds between H and O have an ownfrequency of say 2,4Mhz. And you have an outer electrolyzes pipe sounding at 47Khz
You then devide 2,4*10^6 / 47*10^3 which gives 51,0638
The nearest whole number is 51 (using 50 makes it even simpler)
So 2,4Mhz/51= 47058,8235294... and so you tune your pipes till they sound like that number. Using your microphone, soundcard, computer and a file..
Waves are waves, if sound or electricity.
The next thing you can do is to space the plates harmonicly, so that the distance in between also reflects the used frequency of the voltage. So that you get a standing wave in between the plates.
And off course, the voltage used is a harmonic on 2,4Mhz, or that number itself, or multiplied by a whole number.
Bob Boyce builds his cell so that all cells are exactly the same. He talks about a very small spacing difference that stopped some of the cells from operating at the same frequency. This would indicate that there is a relationship between the physical cell (be it volume, spacing, plate area/spacing) I have seen a u-tube video (can't remember who, might have been H2opower) that had all the cells in series but one of his cells was not producing gas like the others. The tubular mult cell that Stan used shows slots cut in the top of the cells. This could have been to match the cells as you said. This is why I beleave the best coarse of action is to use a single cell untill we know what parameters are important.Quote from FaradayEZ on December 30th, 2012, 04:28 PM Yes you can, by shortening a meyer pipe you get a higher sound.Quote from freethisone on December 30th, 2012, 01:44 PM interesting comparison..Quote from FaradayEZ on December 30th, 2012, 07:02 AM I think its a sound strategy.Quote from Dog-One on December 15th, 2012, 11:13 PM Now geenee, I want you to study what Bob says and think about this:
Bob initially was using a brute force electrolyzer cell powered by a standard three phase alternator, rectified down to DC. What he noticed is at a certain engine RPM, the performance of his boat went up noticeably. He later determined the anomaly to be a blown diode in the alternator's rectifier. This blown diode allowed AC current to mix with the DC current being feed to the cell. At a certain frequency of the mixed-in AC, the electrolyzer started to produce much more HHO than it ever did with straight DC. My point in repeating this is:
There are conditions that must be met and met in a particular order to produce the "Stan Meyer" effect above standard electrolysis. Think about it, the steps:
(FIRST) Bob's cell was already doing brute force.
(SECOND) An AC signal was being overlaid on top of the DC which began when the diode blew out.
(THIRD) When the AC frequency was increased (revving the engine), a particular resonance within the cell started the increased gas production.
I think in order for any of us to get a Stan Meyer water fuel cell to work, we have to follow those same steps. Start with brute force, overlay AC and adjust frequency until we find resonance. If we get that much to work, then and only then can we start backing off current, raising voltage and fine tuning the system. Also, I'm not convinced the cell having tubes is really necessary. Seems to me if we follow the process, regular plate cells should also have the same effect, just as it did for Bob Boyce.
My two cents. I'm completely happy to be proven wrong.
And to find the harmonics that play between the plates, one can use a soundcard in the computer. Registering each sound per plate or tube, one can align them to each other.
One better is to align them as a harmonic child to the much higher frequency of the bonds that you want to break. I.e. the frequency between the bonds between H and O.
The childs are known by devision to a whole number
you can modulate harmonics also. like you said?
the step up is one frequency at a time i would presume. Frequency as in the 4 or 5 stages of harmonic oscillation.
to apply harmonic induction on the quantum level. UV light, or a warm infra red heater may be beneficial.
hooking it up as an audio power supply, and amplifier.
I am then apply to a base, speaker. below the cell. This should beneficial. any one can test this theory.
A deep base is applied to break the surface tension in the water. Enclosed in a pLEXY glass.
Are you feeling it?:heart::heart::heart:
one improvement can be a circulating pump. electrification or conditioning the water. by moving fluid through glass tube perhaps. a way to include charge on the water molecules..
You take the most important frequency as a base to work with.
Look at it this way; if the bonds between H and O have an ownfrequency of say 2,4Mhz. And you have an outer electrolyzes pipe sounding at 47Khz
You then devide 2,4*10^6 / 47*10^3 which gives 51,0638
The nearest whole number is 51 (using 50 makes it even simpler)
So 2,4Mhz/51= 47058,8235294... and so you tune your pipes till they sound like that number. Using your microphone, soundcard, computer and a file..
Waves are waves, if sound or electricity.
The next thing you can do is to space the plates harmonicly, so that the distance in between also reflects the used frequency of the voltage. So that you get a standing wave in between the plates.
And off course, the voltage used is a harmonic on 2,4Mhz, or that number itself, or multiplied by a whole number.
also, it will be much easier to very one cell rather that a bunch of them to figure this out.
Right, if you want to proof a concept you better do that as simple as possible. Also for the aim of not cluttering the experiment, so that others also have no doubt about what is proofed.Quote from DanB on December 30th, 2012, 05:19 PM Bob Boyce builds his cell so that all cells are exactly the same. He talks about a very small spacing difference that stopped some of the cells from operating at the same frequency. This would indicate that there is a relationship between the physical cell (be it volume, spacing, plate area/spacing) I have seen a u-tube video (can't remember who, might have been H2opower) that had all the cells in series but one of his cells was not producing gas like the others. The tubular mult cell that Stan used shows slots cut in the top of the cells. This could have been to match the cells as you said. This is why I beleave the best coarse of action is to use a single cell untill we know what parameters are important.
also, it will be much easier to very one cell rather that a bunch of them to figure this out.
There are more ways to get HHO out of water in massive amounts, but here we try electrolyzes because Meyer claimed he could make enough to drive his car? And if we find he couldn't then why believe his other claimes? But as i remember, Dog-one posted about what the amount was that Meyer claimed. Some 5 gallons per minute? But important in that is how much energy did he put in? Did he loosen the bounds with less energy (eV) then they have according to the books? Only then he had something interesting.
His watersparkplug being another invention, not into view in this discussion.
So what was his claim? And can we approach it by using harmonics in the voltage?One cell is easier for testing its own harmonics. With three cells you are introducing an extra way off vibrating by collapsing them with eachother. Both are valide but better to test one at a time.Quote I would try at least 3 cells, of slightly different lengthen. to help tune it better, to find a sweet spot in at least one cell. also imagine having the ability to cause 3 cells to become positive, wile the other 3 are negative. or in a 3 cell system 2 cells either positive, or negative at the same time.:dodgy:
I find it interesting that he said he (Bob Boyce) was unable to get it to work using tubes.
I find it interesting he saw this while doing normal electrolocyess.
I find it interesting as he changed the frequency he could make different cells come into resonance at different times. Does this mean that spacing is very very important to the resonant frequency?
in a series, more amps, in parallel more voltage.Quote from DanB on December 28th, 2012, 02:36 PM I find it interesting that he said he (Bob Boyce) was unable to get it to work using tubes.
I find it interesting he saw this while doing normal electrolocyess.
I find it interesting as he changed the frequency he could make different cells come into resonance at different times. Does this mean that spacing is very very important to the resonant frequency?
some cells were bias negative, wile the other bias positive.
i would presume parallel. maybe 2 circuits were used?
Am i understanding this correctly?
in a series, more amps, in parallel more voltage.
Glad to find this thread and be able to get in on it. I haven`t found many interested in the Boyce replication. Is any one here building and testing this project ? I AM and would like to get in some serious discussion about it. I am testing a well conditioned B.B. 101 cell with a G board and torroid and built to Bob`s EXACT specs.