I always wondered why Stephen did not take over after Stans death and bring the tech to market? He has been very actively involved in all, he even was the one that designed the electronics. That leaves three possibilities:
1) even Stephen was not completely aware of the exact workings of the WFC tech, by now we know that there is no magic in the electronics so we and Stephen must be missing something else! Otherwise he would have brought it to market a long time ago
2) The science behind the WFC tech is to complicated even for Stephen to understand it?
3) the WFC tech is a fraud (or at least part of it)
Anyway, as others already indicated, .... people asking for money/donations without any clear indication or prove on what the money will be used for is a RED FLAG. If their intentions are good and they want to bring the tech to market for the benefit of the world they should join us or any other group with the same intentions. If they refuse that their only intention is their own benefit, ... in that case they should search for an investor and not ask for donations!
Russ have you contacted them about their intentions?
Hello One and All,
I was involved with Stan and made numerous visits to his lab since 1986.
I was one of one of about 350 original purchasers of a Dearlership for WFC:
Added for the record:
for which I gave a $5,000 deposit with a balance owing of $45,000. The balance was to be paid out of unit sales over a defined period. I spent most of my time discussing business structure and promotion of Water Fuel Cell rather than technical component things with Stan. I didn't know a "tesla coil"/RCC from a diode, a Faraday from an oscillator or a Joule from a Coulume. Everyone last one of "us" and thousands more who only knew of Stan and his tech base spent many years waiting for "patents to go into issuance," "pre-engineering," "engineering," and "testing." All this in between his constant travels to the third world, Sweden, and England, as those of which I know. Christ, he had Admiral Tony Griffith from the Royal Navel Architects on board. He new Meyer's patents were proof of the processes. It was and still is a huge battle in having "Water Powered Anything" as a common occurrence.
I should start a thread about my experience but for now I will try to answer some of the questions I see in these threads.
First, I am not an engineer or electronics specialist by any means but after hours and years talking with Stan and posting in the sci.energy.hydrogen Newsgroup (Usenet now Google Groups) I am pretty well versed in much of the Water Fuel Cell tech base. Do a search for H2OPWRD@aol.com, JW to see my prodigious posting and arguing on Stan's behalf against the naysayers since 1997.
I will try to read more and post more elsewhere.
I see some great work out there and still do what I can to get others going and teaching the tech basics from my rafts of information including most of the prominent Meyer devoted websites.
Those WFC Injector drawings that were brought to light from artinvegas in another forum due to my efforts in the groups in 2008 and my association with the person who had them for ten years before he gave them to artinvegas.
All for now,
Good luck,
Cheers,
JP
Stan and others throw around that term "Resonance" but the 8xa basic circuit "oscillates" as to my understanding. Is there a difference? Any vibration is resonance is it not? What resonates that makes his process so efficient "to me" is the field of the molecule along with the field of the magnet and coil fields combined into the same tone under electrical stress without current. "Voltage is a non-consumed force that we can manipulate and leverage. Every time you add a component like the blocking diode you increase efficiency and get a reaction of more voltage. More and bigger hardware leverages the reaction on the molecules that are uncontrollably falling apart. There is much unknown about magnetic fields. It's like screwing with a harmonic vortex, it opens or some such. I don't know. They call it "Vacuum energy. "I can't remember Stan's "energy vortex" term for it off hand. I called the science "sympathetic vibratory plasma physics" and was flamed away for it. But the key is "natural water", being at least exposed to photon energy to re-energize it. Once you drain it of that by using it in his process it must be recharged.
As I said Jeff, I am not an electronics specialist or "scientist" but have a layman's understanding of Electrical Polarization and the Hydrogen Fracturing Process and learned much from reading other experimenter's posts on many forums and sci.energy.hydrogen.
I am only helpful in getting people to look at the technology in a way they are not familiar because of their ingrained paradigm.
I as one of the first to discern and post (for which I was summarily flamed from here to hell) that VOLTAGE IS A CATALYST in Meyer's processes.
Stan NEVER said "perpetual motion." Stan always said, "You can't have perpetual motion because the device hardware will eventually break."
You always have to prime the system. You don't get something for nothing but the "hardware" captures this ball of "natural water" that has energy in it that you can use against it to make it come apart. "Resonance" is like a sound just like the one that "breaks glass," and Stephen and Stan just happen to notice that it was some "circuit' was doing the same thing to water in what appeared to be a prodigious rate.
As near as I can tell from Tesla, Keely, and the others the "resonance" of the coils magnetic field, the dielectric field and the rest of the circuit, taps into the vacuum and allows us to use it under controlled means. What actually "resonates" and makes the water come apart? My best guess is it is a "dielectric field" that resonates and disrupts the electron's orbits under extreme "electrical stress" ie: high voltage at high frequencies under amp restriction." Stan said, "It's all about the dielectric constant of water."
As to building circuits and VICs I have been depending on those who have that knowledge. I did get all the info for my tech to wind my 8xa RCC per the patent specs.
All I have been doing over the years is pointing those interested in the direction of successful experimenters and their explanations of what is happening in the circuits.
I am currently building a 8xa circuit based Water Fuel Cell (complete board "ready to go" as a free courtesy of stansdream.com) as exactly replicating Stan's 9 tube demonstration cell, on which I placed my hands many times, as I am able. Even with the free board I have spent almost $2,000 with discount machining as well. I have a tech man who has a Masters in Electrical Engineering to assist in testing.
When this cell is performing as we expect I plan to use kickstarter.com to raise $30,000 to have a Major University write a Lab Certification paper which is what the "scientific community" has been screaming for for over 25 years. This hopefully will bring the attention to Stan's work that it deserves and they can start teaching it in schools. This should also clear Stan's name somewhat and maybe Wikipedia will change their tune regarding Meyer since NO ONE considers his patents as scientific proof even though he presented his cells for Official Review under Sec. 114 of the PTO.
35 U.S.C. 114 Models, specimens.
"The Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish a model of
convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his
invention. When the invention relates to a composition of matter, the
Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish specimens or
ingredients for the purpose of inspection or experiment."
If you look at Wiki on Meyer you will see the revisions I tried to make which were summarily dismissed because "I was an eye witness." Go figure.
At this point I am depending on Russ, Alex Petty, T. Woodside, Josh, Ed Mitchel and others to guide me in producing a cell that will be worth the paper written about it. Thank God for the Internet and anyone who bothers to turn a coil and see this process.
In all my endeavors with Stan I never anticipated that I would be the one sitting here trying to raise money to get an "Official" paper written to prove Stan's work. I am convinced if this happens we will make great strides in bringing in the technology "in concert" as Stan stated many times.
Throughout my years working with Stan I was more interested in promoting the technology rather than studying in detail how to build it. I tried many times to get him to go on National Network news with only the simple demonstration cell which in my mind was more than enough in front of my eyes to show one could "close the loop" and after a generator was sufficiently primed to turn TEN car alternators like the belt driven one on Stan's bench.
I was the lead facilitator/investor in having an Indy Car team ready to run the race on the fuel cell. I probably have the only hard copy of the proposal accepted by the Indy Board. I spent $5000 setting up a loan to fund the building of 3 cells for that purpose only to have the lenders change the terms at the last minute demanding to see the Dune Buggy run before funding. This was NEVER going to happen as Stan did not jump through those kind of hoops for ANYONE. Needless to say I lost my $5,000. I have video of my meetings with top Indy Car driver Tom Sneva and his technicians. Buick had offered us three engines for dyno testing.
Stan refused them because they had a bad track record for reliability. In my meeting with Sneva, Conrad Murphy, the original owner of SeaRay boats said, You don't even have to run the race, just show up in te parking lot wit the unit on the car and call the press if they won't let you run in the race." Stan also signed up run the dune buggy in The World Solar Challenge and Stan had problems that caused that to not happen too. There was a lot of bad blood over this. Not with me but with big investors and older investors.
I asked Stan at one point "Do you have people, a foundation, and expertise that will continue the work if something happens to you?" He assured me that this was all arranged but as we all know it was not. I think he thought Steven would carry the load but he didn't leave it to anyone but his wife in the Will. She was not capable of handling any of this and lived hundreds of miles from Stephen.
As soon as my Demonstration Water Fuel Cell is complete and tested in a few weeks, I hope I will report my results in detail. I for one am the original "Open Source" of Stan's work on the internet and will do as much as I can here. We made quite a lot of gas with one tube setup the other day, (I'll see if I can attach photo?) with the 8xa board and patent spec RCC but didn't have working meter. I will post the data and later see if we need more advice or assistance in any forums.
I am also currently working with a documentary film maker who tracked me down earlier this year. He is doing a Stan Meyer documentary. He could do a mini-series just on what I told him. I put him in contact with others like myself that are still alive that can talk more about events rather than the technology's workings. He'll have enough to write Meyer's Biography. I hope he was able to speak to Stephen. I have heard he is getting forgetful or worse. I haven't called him in ten years.
On that note and for the record Stan told me, "I didn't discover circuit, my brother did." He explained, "Stephen told me, "You go and run with it if you want to. I don't want anything to do owning it with it." As we all know, Stephen was intimately involved in many aspects of building and testing as were VERY few others. I did read on some forum that the Stephen's discovery had something to do with "knocking a florescent shop light into a tank of water or some such." Maybe that is from Stephen's Blogtalk interviews? The fact remains from Stan's own words "He was the one on "God's mission." More power to him. He spent from the 1973 "Oil Crisis" until his suspicious death trying to "Stop all wars over energy resources." God bless him. Many of us know just how much of a "racket' war is. He always thought he might be poisoned and we always went to the same restaurants. No one that I spoke to from Grove City knew who was in the room with the Coroner so we will never know exactly from what Stan died. Can a guy with an aneurysm run out to the parking lot? The timing was impeccable for the bad guys.
I don't know of a handful of people still alive who actually met or spent more than a meeting with Stan. I was only 30 years old when I first got my hands on News Release #1 and we first spoke in 1985. I went to his lab in 1986 and on.
At this point many here and "banned" know more about duplicating Stan's methods or making improvements than I ever will.
As I said, you now know my "Mission," was more in promoting Stan's work and any help promoting or improving my actual first Water Fuel Cell will be welcome.
For the record in my desire to make a buck on Stan's "Water Powered Indy Car" and tech base I created acronym copyrights in 1990 or so. I did this for money of course but money is needed to put back into Dealerships, units, other capital assets and "developments and R+D." I have 27 years of my life waiting for Stan's dream to even get off the ground and which we all share yet... my car is still spewing hydrocarbon crap. Stan's been dead 14 years.
I created these sayings. They are Copyright protected.
Here they are. They are not open source.
I have given everything else I had and COULD within my agreements with Stan for longer than anyone on the planet.
H2O PWRD
H2O PWR
WTR PWRD
WTR PWR
H2O 2 GO
H2O TOGO
WTR WRKS
H2O WRKS
H2O FUEL
WTR FUEL
WFC PWD
WFC PWR
HDR ELEC
HDR ELCT
O ALLER
HOT WTR
HOT H2O
WTR 2 GO
WTR TOGO
H2O CAR
WTR CAR
WATER POWER
WATER POWERED
H2O POWER
H2O POWERED
© 1991 James Paul
Beyond that I'll entertain questions so if I never record this anywhere else at least it will be here.
One last thing. I know it can be competitive as to "How to do it." Try to avoid the infighting and banning. Everyone has their own approach in a way.
Stan said many times, "There's more than one way to do it," which is why his basic device was very crude, and why he would never reveal too much as to what was going on, but really he was if you could understand his language and would read his information without your stomach doing flips saying "You can't do that" or even imagine how you could with your textbook paradigm. "Overunity, Perpetual motion" blah blah blah.
I understood it because it was my first exposure to it without and knowledge of electronics or physics to cloud my eyesight.
"2nd law, and Conservation of energy" and Stan's own "Impossible' explanations also stopped me from finding serious experimenters from Peter Lindamann in 1986 (converted somewhere along the line but never built a cell) and the full, mostly now dead, cabal at sci.energy.hydrogen with the exception of Ted Zittergren (Why it works photo), Tad Johnson, Paul Kembell, and Michael Ohhannon.
So carry on and "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."
Vayas con Dios,
JP
For the record that is me.
I've been a friend of Jeff's since the late 90's.
I did that interview on October 29, 2008 I believe.
Frankly you'll see from your
H2OPWRD@aol.com, JW search and also
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com under which I still post occasionally, that the sci.energy.hydrogen group was useless except for my few encouragers (Is that a word?) mentioned and picking up the few actual experimenters that resulted, as opposed to real technical help outright except ultimately from Ted Zittergren. I got nothing but flames for many years from 90% of the rest. It was the only place to post anything about hydrogen or Meyer on the net at the time. All the websites come and gone or still here happened after my first years on Usenet.
The day TedZittergen posted his "No secret frequency" results I was ecstatic. (Attached photo is one of his cells) That was in 1998 and I still haven't seen my own cell's results. Tad Johnson was the first guy to take it from Ted and build coils and circuits but I'm told by someone that he was threatened to stop so I never saw anyone accomplish much until Lawton came along. Who knows what happened to Tad? I know Zittergren is long dead. He was elderly in 1998.
Anyways, you will find little of help with Stan's methods or understanding the "science" in that group. Donny Lancaster seems the to be the only one left around besides me. You can however see how anything "Sufficiently advanced technology that is indistinguishable from magic" is treated by the old guard "engineers and scientists."
Regards,
JP