https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrkPmyfBZU&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AXzE_75RM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxQj-9aZU-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKG70zfu1l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxvHLh-k5k&feature=relmfu

/watch?v=TwenfkbDi9Q

/watch?v=cgzLov6nDlQ

Is Jon Abel a member of this forum? Has he been invited if not?

Quote from Hydron on June 20th, 2012, 11:45 AM

Is Jon Abel a member of this forum? Has he been invited if not?

I did a search of members, it doesn't look like he is a member, he could be under a user name I do not know though, he has been in contact with Russ and I am sure Russ has invited him to this forum, thanks Jeff. :D

On the PESN site there is some interesting info about his story which I believe. There are so many people who want to keep and claim this tech for themselves it's ridiculous. Thanks goodness for all Stan did to prevent anyone from solely claiming it.

In his story on the PESN site he explains how he studied JL naudin's circuit. I have also studied that circuit extensively. So far I think it gives the best description of what may be occuring, and it's the most documented info on any replication I have seen so far.

Quote from HMS-776 on June 21st, 2012, 07:54 PM

On the PESN site there is some interesting info about his story which I believe. There are so many people who want to keep and claim this tech for themselves it's ridiculous. Thanks goodness for all Stan did to prevent anyone from solely claiming it.

In his story on the PESN site he explains how he studied JL naudin's circuit. I have also studied that circuit extensively. So far I think it gives the best description of what may be occuring, and it's the most documented info on any replication I have seen so far.

Thanks for the info HMS-776, I have been to JL Naudin's site but have not looked at it much, I'll have to look at it again, Jeff.:D

Here's the info I collected and calculated from JL naudins replication:
 
Capacitance of cell: 4.7 - 5.19nF
 Inductance of chokes: 246mH ea
 Calculated Fres (choke L1 & cell): = 4.44kHz - 4.68kHz
Actual Fres: 11kHz-13kHz
 
Transformer:
 60VA 12V/220V 60Hz transformer
 Turns ratio 1:18.3
 The secondary coils inductance can be calculated since we know the VA and the output voltage (turns out to be 800 Ohms at 60Hz).
 220V/800Ohms=275mA x 220 = 60VA
 From those numbers we calculate the secondary coils inductance to be 2.12 Henries.
 So the secondary coil inductance is too high to be part of the resonant circuit, it can only occur between a single choke and the cell
 
Naudin's pulsed the primary coil with 30V
 Since the turns ratio is 1:18.3 secondary voltage is about 550V
 At the cell Naudin shows the voltage being doubled to 1.1kV - 1.4kV
 
Important things to remember about Naudin's circuit.
 1. The circuit was pulsed at a freq which was over 2X calculated Fres
 2. The circuit resonace occurs between 1 choke and the cell
 3. The voltage will be doubled at the capacitor
 4. The inductors are connected in a series opposing fashion

Anyone have good specs (physical properties) on Jon's coil?  I managed bits and pieces from the video but couldn't determine:
[list=1]

• core material

• number of windings

• connection polarity

[/list]
He mentioned the Lawton circuit (attached) as well as Jean's setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Jon has something that works (and I say that because he did it with distilled water), it would probably be a good idea to lock down a base design and sticky it for future reference and for new comers.

His last video is interesting :P
'the resonant frequency is hiding underneath all the sawtooth waves', gotta try to search for that one :cool:
I didn't hear anything about heat development during resonant action, if the heat goes down or not.
I only heard heat being mentioned in the lines of 'gotta turn it off before the heat gets too high'
I think it's a key thing, an indication of that you actually might be on to some real Stanley Meyer HHO:ing.

Quote from Dog-One on September 21st, 2012, 09:38 PM

Anyone have good specs (physical properties) on Jon's coil?  I managed bits and pieces from the video but couldn't determine:
[list=1]

• core material

• number of windings

• connection polarity

[/list]
He mentioned the Lawton circuit (attached) as well as Jean's setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Jon has something that works (and I say that because he did it with distilled water), it would probably be a good idea to lock down a base design and sticky it for future reference and for new comers.

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 01:37 AM

Quote from Dog-One on September 21st, 2012, 09:38 PM

Anyone have good specs (physical properties) on Jon's coil?  I managed bits and pieces from the video but couldn't determine:
[list=1]

• core material

• number of windings

• connection polarity

[/list]
He mentioned the Lawton circuit (attached) as well as Jean's setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Jon has something that works (and I say that because he did it with distilled water), it would probably be a good idea to lock down a base design and sticky it for future reference and for new comers.

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Thank you :)
Did you get any resonant action going?

Quote from Lynx on September 22nd, 2012, 01:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 01:37 AM

Quote from Dog-One on September 21st, 2012, 09:38 PM

Anyone have good specs (physical properties) on Jon's coil?  I managed bits and pieces from the video but couldn't determine:
[list=1]

• core material

• number of windings

• connection polarity

[/list]
He mentioned the Lawton circuit (attached) as well as Jean's setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Jon has something that works (and I say that because he did it with distilled water), it would probably be a good idea to lock down a base design and sticky it for future reference and for new comers.

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Thank you :)
Did you get any resonant action going?

i build a vic like hi's (a little messy one) and nothing happens it even not get the voltage up it acted like a resistor input 24v output 2v...Maybe it must be constructed more neet...

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 05:19 AM

Quote from Lynx on September 22nd, 2012, 01:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 01:37 AM

Quote from Dog-One on September 21st, 2012, 09:38 PM

Anyone have good specs (physical properties) on Jon's coil?  I managed bits and pieces from the video but couldn't determine:
[list=1]

• core material

• number of windings

• connection polarity

[/list]
He mentioned the Lawton circuit (attached) as well as Jean's setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Jon has something that works (and I say that because he did it with distilled water), it would probably be a good idea to lock down a base design and sticky it for future reference and for new comers.

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Thank you :)
Did you get any resonant action going?

i build a vic like hi's (a little messy one) and nothing happens it even not get the voltage up it acted like a resistor input 24v output 2v...Maybe it must be constructed more neet...

Ok, thanks.
If you compare Stan's VIC drawings with Naudin's they show some interesting similarities.
First there's the primary, which is galvanically decoupled from the secondary.
Then there's the bifilar wound secondary which goes directly to the cell.
One difference in the Naudin circuit compared to Stan's is that Naudin's doesn't
have any tunable choke(s) in the secondary circuit prior to the cell, which is
basically for finetuning purposes if I understand it correctly.
However, looking at the oscilloscope in the videos I'd say that as long as you
build the VIC according to plan, in terms of ratio, wiregague, etc, you should be
able to see some step charge action taking place at any given cell and frequency.
The really interesting question though would be if it's the correct frequency, I.E
a frequency that which produces the most amount of gas, without heating up
the water and that the current (to the primary?) is at a minimum and at the
same time the voltage (to the cell?) is at a maximum.

If it only could be that simple.....:angel:

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 01:37 AM

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Okay, got this much:

Quote from joabel19711

24 AWG copper for bifilar. wound end-to-end on an 8" long 5/8" diameter ferrite rod. primary is 22 awg. secondary is 30 awg. all end to end.

There's a 3:1 winding ratio between secondary and primary. windings are just end to end, not bidirectional.

My highest input was 30 volts. My highest output peak was 200 volts. Probably 150 wraps for primary. secondary and 2 bifilar coils are all in series, so probably a total of 800 wraps for those 3 coils. I never counted them, just went by length of rod.

My Mosfet is 800 volt 125 watt with low Rds. input was 15-30 volts. bifilar wrapped perfectly. Primary and secondary were not perfect. i drive pwm with 5-7 volts into the NANDs and Mosfet gate. JUST LIKE JLNAUDIN DIAGRAM.

Volunteer Jon Abel banned from NDSU for Stanley Meyers lab research

Also noted from the video:  The bifilar is closest to the core, then on top is the primary and lastly on top of that is the secondary.  No feedback coil is used.

Did I leave anything out?

Quote from Dog-One on September 22nd, 2012, 09:41 AM

Quote from adys15 on September 22nd, 2012, 01:37 AM

Look at the comments of ''resonance with a diode'' i asked him the specs and it's there on comm...

Okay, got this much:

Quote from joabel19711

24 AWG copper for bifilar. wound end-to-end on an 8" long 5/8" diameter ferrite rod. primary is 22 awg. secondary is 30 awg. all end to end.

There's a 3:1 winding ratio between secondary and primary. windings are just end to end, not bidirectional.

My highest input was 30 volts. My highest output peak was 200 volts. Probably 150 wraps for primary. secondary and 2 bifilar coils are all in series, so probably a total of 800 wraps for those 3 coils. I never counted them, just went by length of rod.

My Mosfet is 800 volt 125 watt with low Rds. input was 15-30 volts. bifilar wrapped perfectly. Primary and secondary were not perfect. i drive pwm with 5-7 volts into the NANDs and Mosfet gate. JUST LIKE JLNAUDIN DIAGRAM.

Volunteer Jon Abel banned from NDSU for Stanley Meyers lab research

Also noted from the video:  The bifilar is closest to the core, then on top is the primary and lastly on top of that is the secondary.  No feedback coil is used.

Did I leave anything out?

Yes that's corect!no feedback needed because the circuit does not have PLL
About the dave lawton circuit:it does not output a perfect square wave,the gating's ''space'' is based on electrolitic caps wich will give you a saggy separation between the ''Marks'' of pulses.I think the best circuit is the 9xb with the gating,just precise signal ,perfect square wave,perfect gate ..no caps to control the freq.just the 74ls90 that devide a 50% freq from 555 cip!good luck with your buil:D

Well the only words I have here, is if John claimed he had something that worked why not try it with the equipment he used, such as the Lawton circuit.:D

I'm certain Russ would agree, get an inexpensive Arduino for pulsing, then figure out exactly how to build your coil.  You can even have a copy of my Arduino PulseGen app for starters:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1200

Makes life much easier.  :)

The rocket science isn't in the pulse train any more, it's in the coil.

Quote from Dog-One on September 23rd, 2012, 08:21 AM

I'm certain Russ would agree, get an inexpensive Arduino for pulsing, then figure out exactly how to build your coil.  You can even have a copy of my Arduino PulseGen app for starters:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1200

Makes life much easier.  :)

The rocket science isn't in the pulse train any more, it's in the coil.

Thanks so much.:cool::D:P

Not sure who has reached the HHO production stage but I'd like to share a warning from another forum reported by Scott Cramton that we should all take into account.

[b“that brown gunk - is it the chromium hex*** contaminant (cant remember the exact name at the moment).[/b]

This simply means that the brown stuff floating in Able's cell is really dangerous and should not be touched with unprotected hands when washing the cell.

Jul.

Forger the brown gunk,has enyone build Jon's transformer?I did it on a smaller ferite,but from 12v i got 2v on the output,i think because the chokes are to thick

Quote from enrev on January 12th, 2013, 09:08 AM

Not sure who has reached the HHO production stage but I'd like to share a warning from another forum reported by Scott Cramton that we should all take into account.

[b“that brown gunk - is it the chromium hex*** contaminant (cant remember the exact name at the moment).[/b]

This simply means that the brown stuff floating in Able's cell is really dangerous and should not be touched with unprotected hands when washing the cell.

Jul.

Thanks for the warning.

Quote from adys15 on January 12th, 2013, 09:52 AM

Forger the brown gunk,has enyone build Jon's transformer?I did it on a smaller ferite,but from 12v i got 2v on the output,i think because the chokes are to thick

As far as I remember also in Stan's WFC he had the brown gunk so it's not just in Able's one and most likely we'll all get it once we would have got WFC running for some hours therefore watch out.

Not sure what's the origin is but it could be related to the rare earths used in the SS alloy.

Jul.As far as I remember also in Stan's WFC there was the brown gunk so we'll get it when we we have our WFC's running for some hours so watch our and wear waterproof gloves at least.
Not sure where that stuff is coming from but apparently it disappear after several hours of operations. It's probably due to the rare earths contained in the SS alloy or similar.

Scott suggested a way to clean the cell easily and safely i report here:

"for cleaning the 316l plates, we've used citric acid in water then using 12v car battery that can supply high amps for 10 - 20 seconds then reverse polarity for 2-3 seconds to the eye left the plates very clean.......”

Jul

Quote from Dog-One on September 23rd, 2012, 08:21 AM

I'm certain Russ would agree, get an inexpensive Arduino for pulsing, then figure out exactly how to build your coil.  You can even have a copy of my Arduino PulseGen app for starters:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1200

Makes life much easier.  :)

The rocket science isn't in the pulse train any more, it's in the coil.

yes and check out pulsefire. it has all the functions you could imagine..

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=440
http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/automatic-pulse-fire-sequence-generator/


have fun!

~Russ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakH_7Qtb8E

Quote from firepinto on January 15th, 2013, 04:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakH_7Qtb8E

This is interesting. On YT, I have uploaded a video of two separate Lawton circuits, separate power supplies, pulsing separate ignition coils and spark plugs. They are completely isolated from each other, but yet one Lawton circuit controls the others pulses. I guess what I should do next is to use these as John has done to see the results of further experimentation.:D

/watch?v=jlgZK1Ydm_I

Hy guys,here is the skematic Jon posted on Garry's blog....hope someone has beter luck then me on it...thanks verry much Jon!