Hey guys, I am much more of a computer nerd than a builder or inventor. . But I wonder. . .can HHO be produced out of VERY HUMID AIR?  or Possibly a mist?  IE, Mist being blown quickly across two screens that are doing electrolysis?

I"m guessing that would affect the surface of water touching the plates, but what if it were VERY high speed air like in a carburetor or something?  Anyway, just throwing it out there, I like to kick back what the universe pops into my head.

Thanks.

M

What comes to mind is like a spark-gap, however the saturated air is flowing through the gap as it would through a carb. .

Quote from admin on April 20th, 2011, 11:31 AM

What comes to mind is like a spark-gap, however the saturated air is flowing through the gap as it would through a carb. .

Matt, that's what Stanly's injectors was doing basically...

like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBf93ISqT4

it dose work, cool stuff!

just remember that when the water molecule is broken down there is a big expansion...

~Russ

Ok, what constitutes a spam message, because my reply to russ was flagged?

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 21st, 2011, 06:39 PM

Ok, what constitutes a spam message, because my reply to russ was flagged?

Blaargenheimer, I will work on that, the board if very new, and I'm not sure what would have flagged it.  I appologise, and appreciate your patience with our new forums :D .  I'm sure it wasn't your fault.

Quote from admin on April 21st, 2011, 06:48 PM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 21st, 2011, 06:39 PM

Ok, what constitutes a spam message, because my reply to russ was flagged?

Blaargenheimer, I will work on that, the board if very new, and I'm not sure what would have flagged it.  I appologise, and appreciate your patience with our new forums :D .  I'm sure it wasn't your fault.

What hapen! Lol ~Russ

What's even more amazing is the energy "released" when using something like an HHO torch.  Guys in FL I believe have even made production welders/cutters with HHO. Best.

Hi all I may be changing the subject a little but I have some questions about the exploding capacitor experiment.  Why did the cap explode AFTER the power was OFF (about 5 seconds)?  Is it possible that the chamber contained an energy that fed and overcharged the Cap?  Did Russ convert a potenial energy into mechanical energy (pieces flying everywhere)?  Did the explosion occur under a pressurized condition,atmosphere condition, or vacuum (cooling effect)?  If there was a stored energy in the chamber is that not exactly what we are looking for? Could we use water or mist as a capacitor? I could go on but maybe others have some thoughts.  Thanks Dave                                            You have got to ask the right question:  Stan Meyer

Quote from Blazer on April 22nd, 2011, 07:08 AM

Hi all I may be changing the subject a little but I have some questions about the exploding capacitor experiment.  Why did the cap explode AFTER the power was OFF (about 5 seconds)?  Is it possible that the chamber contained an energy that fed and overcharged the Cap?  Did Russ convert a potenial energy into mechanical energy (pieces flying everywhere)?  Did the explosion occur under a pressurized condition,atmosphere condition, or vacuum (cooling effect)?  If there was a stored energy in the chamber is that not exactly what we are looking for? Could we use water or mist as a capacitor? I could go on but maybe others have some thoughts.  Thanks Dave                                            You have got to ask the right question:  Stan Meyer

Hey bro! Post that qustion here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=42

Answer there! thanks! ~Russ

Quote from admin on April 21st, 2011, 06:48 PM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 21st, 2011, 06:39 PM

Ok, what constitutes a spam message, because my reply to russ was flagged?

Blaargenheimer, I will work on that, the board if very new, and I'm not sure what would have flagged it.  I appologise, and appreciate your patience with our new forums :D .  I'm sure it wasn't your fault.

I wanted to say to Russ, and others, that according to my perspective the device that he recently featured regarding Stan Meyer's patents was not mentioned in his presentation regarding the principal of how HHO is being produced by the system.  He did mention in one video that the HHO burned too hot for the car and that he had to find a way to turn down the heat, and I believe this is what that reverse-particle accelerator looking thing was doing:  Taking some of the energy out of the system so that it would not melt the block.  

If anyone hasn't seen the lecture:
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/

Now it's been a while since I've looked at Stan's resonant electrolysis cell patent, but I've seen people reproduce the effect while using the half-amp worth of input on youtube.  However, I have not seen that anyone has reproduced the resonant condition sweep oscillator circuit that keeps the system going.  I'm not sure I remember if Stan flipped polarity between electrodes during runtime, but the centrifugal force in such event could also help tear the molecule.  Oh, and the ions mentioned are quite probably the oxygen since it has an overall negative charge.  Unless they nearly immediately become O2.  I, also, don't think a spark gap is used in the fuel cell because that may be quite explosive...

Just my 2 cents worth.

Edit:
Found on page  15 of http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf:

"Subjecting or exposing the water molecule to even higher voltage levels causes the liberated atoms to go into a "state" of gas ionization."

This probably confirms what I mentioned above... hmm  It looks like he mentions the use of LED's to add energy to the water also, perhaps this could lend itself to Frank Znidarsic's discovery in relation to required energy states, 1mil meters/second.

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 22nd, 2011, 09:00 AM

Quote from admin on April 21st, 2011, 06:48 PM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 21st, 2011, 06:39 PM

Ok, what constitutes a spam message, because my reply to russ was flagged?

Blaargenheimer, I will work on that, the board if very new, and I'm not sure what would have flagged it.  I appologise, and appreciate your patience with our new forums :D .  I'm sure it wasn't your fault.

I wanted to say to Russ, and others, that according to my perspective the device that he recently featured regarding Stan Meyer's patents was not mentioned in his presentation regarding the principal of how HHO is being produced by the system.  He did mention in one video that the HHO burned too hot for the car and that he had to find a way to turn down the heat, and I believe this is what that reverse-particle accelerator looking thing was doing:  Taking some of the energy out of the system so that it would not melt the block.  

If anyone hasn't seen the lecture:
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/

Now it's been a while since I've looked at Stan's resonant electrolysis cell patent, but I've seen people reproduce the effect while using the half-amp worth of input on youtube.  However, I have not seen that anyone has reproduced the resonant condition sweep oscillator circuit that keeps the system going.  I'm not sure I remember if Stan flipped polarity between electrodes during runtime, but the centrifugal force in such event could also help tear the molecule.  Oh, and the ions mentioned are quite probably the oxygen since it has an overall negative charge.  Unless they nearly immediately become O2.  I, also, don't think a spark gap is used in the fuel cell because that may be quite explosive...

Just my 2 cents worth.

Edit:
Found on page  15 of http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf:

"Subjecting or exposing the water molecule to even higher voltage levels causes the liberated atoms to go into a "state" of gas ionization."

This probably confirms what I mentioned above... hmm  It looks like he mentions the use of LED's to add energy to the water also, perhaps this could lend itself to Frank Znidarsic's discovery in relation to required energy states, 1mil meters/second.

I can tell you he used recycled non combustable gases to lower the burn temp. He used the exhaust from the engine or flame to control the burn rate.   Also the ionized gases were created so when the H H O was burned it would not turn back to H2O. And basicly some of the Atoms had no eletrons and in tern emploaded and released a huge amount of energy...

Did that make sence? That's basically what he was going... That's his theory.

3 steps.

1. Brake down the water extremely efficiently.

2. Make the H and O gases unstable "critical state"
   
3. Release the energy in the atams via thermal explosion/ implosion. Like on a'n atomic level...

So not just burn the HHO but braking down the atoms...

Wow yeah, that's stand theory if you read all his info...

~Russ              

Oh, Russ!  Reading further, to page 17 of that pdf that I previously linked, I believe that he mentions the use of this device and calls it the "Hydrogen Gas Gun".  He mentions that while the gas is in the excited state, he uses light to repel the electrons left, which are used by the pickup coils to power a light which increases the energy potential of the gas.  The read is getting very interesting.  

It looks like he was using the thing as a way of extracting electrons from the system, but not for practical use of them, only just to reduce the ability for the gas to stabilize in the flame process, making it more explosive.

Exactly! Now your seeing what's going on.

There was a circuit called the electron extration circuit.. Using the gas gun. Yep. That's it.  

Your getting it!

~Russ

Quote from Rwg42985 on April 22nd, 2011, 11:29 AM

Exactly! Now your seeing what's going on.

There was a circuit called the electron extration circuit.. Using the gas gun. Yep. That's it.  

Your getting it!

~Russ

Just to be certain of your intent in regards to the videos regarding the thing, and your carbon/graphite spark gap...  You are not going to put that into a resonant HHO production capacitor cell are you?Honestly, regarding the resonant effect in the capacitor circuit, I believe that Eric Dollard's insight in relation to the dielectric effect could prove extremely beneficial to the further optimization of the phenomena or yield.  It is too bad that we don't find evidence of the two of them having the opportunity to shake hands in those days.

Stan Meyers resonant cavity is easy to produce!  Wow!

Russ, I just spent about 45 minutes looking for parts in the basement and resolved to use a 120vac to 12.6 vac radio shack transformer, my multi-stage variable pulse oscillator that I built to drive my rodin coil, salvaged a variable choke from my junk box, wound a little bit of high resistance thermostat wire around an inductor, and tossed in a diode.  I made a small cathode/anode combo out of foil and hot glue and put it all together.  There is a small steady stream of bubbles when I got the frequency right and the amp dropped down to almost null compared to the 300ma it was drawing before the freq was right.  This is easy!  Time to get some good electrodes going!  I can't believe how simple that was!Heh, and the longer it runs the higher the conversion rate!I wonder if I could power this off of my 2 18v output car battery charging solar panels...

No the EPG as of now is a generator... But I can run the cell with it? But the intent is to produce energy, and let the thing run it's self! ~Russ

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 22nd, 2011, 03:31 PM

Stan Meyers resonant cavity is easy to produce!  Wow!

Russ, I just spent about 45 minutes looking for parts in the basement and resolved to use a 120vac to 12.6 vac radio shack transformer, my multi-stage variable pulse oscillator that I built to drive my rodin coil, salvaged a variable choke from my junk box, wound a little bit of high resistance thermostat wire around an inductor, and tossed in a diode.  I made a small cathode/anode combo out of foil and hot glue and put it all together.  There is a small steady stream of bubbles when I got the frequency right and the amp dropped down to almost null compared to the 300ma it was drawing before the freq was right.  This is easy!  Time to get some good electrodes going!  I can't believe how simple that was!
Heh, and the longer it runs the higher the conversion rate!
I wonder if I could power this off of my 2 18v output car battery charging solar panels...

Be carfull with the AL. It will quickly erode and also release some bad stuff as AL is bad to breath. Just keep that in mined. Get some SS electrical covers, good for testing

Play with it!

Keep posting results!


~Russ  

Quote from admin on April 20th, 2011, 11:30 AM

Hey guys, I am much more of a computer nerd than a builder or inventor. . But I wonder. . .can HHO be produced out of VERY HUMID AIR?  or Possibly a mist?  IE, Mist being blown quickly across two screens that are doing electrolysis?

I"m guessing that would affect the surface of water touching the plates, but what if it were VERY high speed air like in a carburetor or something?  Anyway, just throwing it out there, I like to kick back what the universe pops into my head.

Thanks.

M

One way to do this is to superheat steam. there are plenty of patents that show the procedure to create a super heated steam, and therefore there is a separation of o2 and hydrogen gas within the system, a more practical way of doing the same can be accomplished in the same manner by use of ultrasound. if a conductor such as the one used by doctors  that uses ultra sound on your body to relieve pain. if you squirt some water on the ultra sound devise it will turn to steam. this steam is cold steam, and therefore it is not steam like from a tea pot, but will cause the separation of water molecules to form hho gas. :cool:

Quote from Rwg42985 on April 22nd, 2011, 03:48 PM

No the EPG as of now is a generator... But I can run the cell with it? But the intent is to produce energy, and let the thing run it's self! ~Russ

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 22nd, 2011, 03:31 PM

Stan Meyers resonant cavity is easy to produce!  Wow!

Russ, I just spent about 45 minutes looking for parts in the basement and resolved to use a 120vac to 12.6 vac radio shack transformer, my multi-stage variable pulse oscillator that I built to drive my rodin coil, salvaged a variable choke from my junk box, wound a little bit of high resistance thermostat wire around an inductor, and tossed in a diode.  I made a small cathode/anode combo out of foil and hot glue and put it all together.  There is a small steady stream of bubbles when I got the frequency right and the amp dropped down to almost null compared to the 300ma it was drawing before the freq was right.  This is easy!  Time to get some good electrodes going!  I can't believe how simple that was!
Heh, and the longer it runs the higher the conversion rate!
I wonder if I could power this off of my 2 18v output car battery charging solar panels...

Be carfull with the AL. It will quickly erode and also release some bad stuff as AL is bad to breath. Just keep that in mined. Get some SS electrical covers, good for testing

Play with it!

Keep posting results!


~Russ

For now, I figured I would post what I did and when I get my hands on stainless steel electrodes, and perhaps improve the design of the tuning choke, I'll youtube it.

1:  connected pulse oscillator(astable 555 timer with configurable duty cycle) to base of the 2n3055 which controls the power to the 120vac to 12.6 vac transformer, using the 12.6 vac side as primary.
2:  connected volt meter across secondary side, and sweep the oscillator frequency and duty cycle to find a resonant/harmonic condition which turned the 12 vdc I was putting in there into a little over 900 volts.
3:  connected one lead of the secondary through a diode and inductor/choke wound with high resistance thermostat wire to one electrode.
4:  connected other lead of the secondary through a variable inductor/choke to the other electrode and to isolated ground(a metal cube that I am building into a orgone accumulator).
5:  turned it on.
6:  play with the variable inductor until I see a nice steady stream of bubbles.

I was using a variable power supply running at 12-13 vdc, and it would oscillate to about 300ma(as judged by the power supply display, not amp meter) until the tunable choke was in the right place, then I couldn't really tell what the draw was from the analog display because it was very low.  

Honestly, I don't really care about making the hydrogen gun part right now.  I think I would like to create a pressurization system with a configurable output psi, add a valved input from a reservoir for auto-fill during the negative pressure, and make a flame heater from the output to experiment with and heat my house.  Perhaps even make it into a portable camp stove.  

And a tent heater!
I guess I should mention that the resonant freq was found using the 1uf cap on the oscillator.  Russ, you still have a copy of the circuit diagram I sent you for my multistage variable pulse oscillator?

Don't presurise the Hho! It will explod!

Working presure is below 10-15 most don't even go over 5psi

It will self explode!

~Russ

Thanks for the info.  Yeah, unless I have a way of cooling it would be a bad thing.  The pressurization is basically to allow an intake system, and provide a uniform burn rate.  An expandable hull material for the cell could help with this I suppose.  I guess 1-3 psi would be sufficient with a well balanced intake system(e.g. height of reservoir in comparison to the cell, allowing gravity to do allot of the work).  I guess when I'm ready to test under pressurized conditions, I'll be doing it outside!

Quote from Rwg42985 on April 25th, 2011, 08:20 AM

Don't presurise the Hho! It will explod!

Working presure is below 10-15 most don't even go over 5psi

It will self explode!

~Russ

Electrical engineer from borderland sciences in the 80's goes over the stan meyer patent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 25th, 2011, 03:10 PM

Electrical engineer from borderland sciences in the 80's goes over the stan meyer patent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Well... I don't therm that's the 80's as stan was dead durning this presentation and his patents were dated 82 and bend. But this guy is petter Lendamein. Incan spell his name but basically he is allways explaining everyone's work like it's nothing... And personally don't care for him... But he dose go over some stuff!

~Russ

Heh..  the 80's was when he was part of that group of researchers along side of eric dollard.

Quote from Rwg42985 on April 25th, 2011, 03:25 PM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 25th, 2011, 03:10 PM

Electrical engineer from borderland sciences in the 80's goes over the stan meyer patent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Well... I don't therm that's the 80's as stan was dead durning this presentation and his patents were dated 82 and bend. But this guy is petter Lendamein. Incan spell his name but basically he is allways explaining everyone's work like it's nothing... And personally don't care for him... But he dose go over some stuff!

~Russ

Quote from Rwg42985 on April 25th, 2011, 03:25 PM

Quote from Blaargenheimer on April 25th, 2011, 03:10 PM

Electrical engineer from borderland sciences in the 80's goes over the stan meyer patent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Well... I don't therm that's the 80's as stan was dead durning this presentation and his patents were dated 82 and bend. But this guy is petter Lendamein. Incan spell his name but basically he is allways explaining everyone's work like it's nothing... And personally don't care for him... But he dose go over some stuff!

~Russ

Yeah, from what I'm seeing, I don't think peter is completely accurate.  I'm sure his explanation of what is going on between the electrodes is accurate, however.  

I chopped up some spoons for electrodes for the time being, and have found that toying with the oscillator and variable inductor will increase/decrease output.  There is obviously some form of resonant action, or optimal frequency which depends on the surface area of the electrodes, or perhaps mass?I need to get a digital amp meter.  The analog display on my power supply seems like it is taking less than 1 watt input to split water.  I need a way to measure this more accurately.Since this takes such a small input, I'm wondering if it can be done via joule thief...

Well, yeah. Resonance is the key.

A joule thief will oscillate  and is a good idea to
Play with, but the problem is, we need th circuit to be in resonance with it's self... Not just oscillate, but resonate!  

Play with it! It's a good idea! Low input and if you hit something just right! Bam those spoons will be cooking! :)

~Russ