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Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« on March 18th, 2012, 03:58 AM »Last edited on April 17th, 2014, 10:48 AM
Stanley Meyer and Stephen Meyers GMS Unit
was a HIL Hardware in the Loop Unit


in prep for the Stanley Meyer ECU!!!

Why Test ECUs with Hardware-in-the-Loop Simulation ?
As software explodes in complexity and size, comprehensive ECU tests are necessary more than ever before. Only a tough zero-error policy can help avoid vehicle recall campaigns. So for many manufacturers and suppliers, ECU testing has become a key phase in the development process. However, real test drives are expensive. They often take place in the freezing cold or the searing heat to test ECUs in extreme conditions. You also have to contend with the necessary vehicle prototypes not being ready on time, so testing is delayed. Simultaneous engineering, in which development processes run in parallel, can be difficult to achieve. These are just a few of the problems inherent in real test drives. Not only are the drives themselves dependent on the weather and on vehicle prototypes; test engineers face actual physical danger and have to cope with incomplete test results – not to mention the immense costs in terms of time and money. The solution: virtual test drives within a hardware-in-the-loop simulation environment.

Stephen Fine Explanation ( Thank you Stephen)




Stanley Meyer Welcome to 2014!!!







I Decided to open this thread,

AND I HAVE NOW LOCKED IT ALL COMMUNICATION ON Building the boards by PM and I will add to thread to
keep it clean and focused

danieldonatellI@hotmail.com

as it was a great idea From Russ and should be noted,

the gms is a group of controller connect to Vic system and wfc, it brings together
solinoid controls and inputs like accellerators.

It could be rebuild exactly by a enthusiast, to learn from and improve circutis
or coulbe a hybrid of stand and new inputs and controller like ecu with mulitstage
and modern sensors etc.

or it could be from new all new tech.  I reposted this so knowledge is noted and some one may start on mapping the parts for other to pick it up .

also edit and contribute to the rebuilder guide on it

Stan Meyer GMS Assembly rebuilder guide

also
Stan Meyer interfacing parts rebuilder guide

===============================
Russ Posts prior.

A Note to all!

the VIC card is only once piece of the the Circuit!! the GMS unit runs the VIC CARDS!!!

Haxar! some fine work, now... can you do all the cards in the GMS unit??? this would be a big start! open source also! amazing!

let me know if your up for the challenge? we will start a new thread called " Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered" if you wan tot post this VIC card there!!!

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO MAP AND PRINT EVERY CIRCUIT.
SO IT IS DONE AND THAN CAN BE CHECKED BY OTHERS.

THIS ALLOW US TO COMPARE THESE SIMPLE CIRCUIT TO NEW ONES.
PEOPLE IN EACH FIELD CAN INSTANTLY SEE AND RECOMMEND NEW STYLED INTERFACES AS REPLACEMENTS WITH ADVANCED EUCS

AS IT IS CLEAR FOR THEM AS A PART ,
SUCH AS ACCELLERATOR ASSEMBLY S ETC

THE KEY HERE IS HAVING THOSE CIRCUIT DIAGRAM TO GET THE MODERN LINGO FOR EACH, AS MOST ARE OFF THE SHELF. AND PC CONTROLLED NOW
SHOULD MAP AND PDF THE CIRCUITS IF YOU HAVE SKLILLS TO DO IT FOR THE WORLD AT LARGE.


DAN


to all! we are moving fast! lets get this out to the public as fast as possible!

God Bless!!! ~Russ

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don't think we need to do all of the cards as most of their schematics can be found in the international patent WO92/07861. The only cards of the GMS which should as least make the VIC circuit functional are the Variable Pulse Frequency (FREQ GEN.) and the Gated Pulse Frequency (WATER CELL) cards. The other cards on the GMS as controlling and regulating cards shouldn't be important to VIC functionality.

Here's a modified overview of the hydrogen fracturing technology chart by Alex Petty keeping the essential parts of the circuit (all of which is in the complete functional VIC schematic I posted):

=========================

HAXAR HAVE A GO !!
can you  do traces, so others can help also
contribute to the rebuilder guide on it

Stan Meyer GMS Assembly rebuilder guide

Awsome
check the note in the gms guide
remember this is now going global faster in google docs from now 16-17th march 2012

~Russ

RE: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #1, on March 20th, 2012, 03:05 AM »
a note from my other thread...
Quote
engineering approach...

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_engineering

    Quote:The traditional scope of engineering embraces the design, development, production and operation of physical systems, and systems engineering, as originally conceived, falls within this scope. "Systems engineering", in this sense of the term, refers to the distinctive set of concepts, methodologies, organizational structures (and so on) that have been developed to meet the challenges of engineering functional physical systems of unprecedented complexity. The Apollo program is a leading example of a systems engineering project.


what dose this mean? this means that there is a bunch of extra stuff here that is for engineering... so this is not the final product!!!!!!!
:) also, the WO92/07861 is not all correct... and also, in the Full Data From Estate, there is schematics from the WO92/07861 with component values...

Blessings!

~Russ

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RE: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #2, on March 20th, 2012, 08:34 AM »Last edited on March 20th, 2012, 08:38 AM by securesupplies
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 20th, 2012, 03:05 AM
a note from my other thread...
Quote
engineering approach...

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_engineering

    Quote:The traditional scope of engineering embraces the design, development, production and operation of physical systems, and systems engineering, as originally conceived, falls within this scope. "Systems engineering", in this sense of the term, refers to the distinctive set of concepts, methodologies, organizational structures (and so on) that have been developed to meet the challenges of engineering functional physical systems of unprecedented complexity. The Apollo program is a leading example of a systems engineering project.


what dose this mean? this means that there is a bunch of extra stuff here that is for engineering... so this is not the final product!!!!!!!
:) also, the WO92/07861 is not all correct... and also, in the Full Data From Estate, there is schematics from the WO92/07861 with component values...

Blessings!

~Russ
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Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #5, on April 13th, 2014, 04:45 AM »
The is From the Technical Brief & control & driver circuits patent .
The following info: Refer to Tech Brief Figures 3-2, 3-4, 3-5, 3-6 and Patent WO 92/07861

Circuit K1=Safety Control Circuit
Circuit K2=Variable Pulse Frequency Generator
Circuit K3=Gated Pulse Frequency Generator
Circuit K4=Cell Driver Circuit
Circuit K5=Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Circuit K6=?
Circuit K7=Laser Accelerator/Distributor Optoschmitt (Photodiode)
Circuit K8=Analog Voltage Generator
Cirucit K9=Voltage Amplitude Control
Circuit K10=Injector Circuit
Circuit K11=Acceleration Control Circuit
Cirucit K12=Laser Distributor
Circuit K13=Gas Injector Circuit
Circuit K14=Pulse Indicator Circuit
Circuit K15=Gated Frequency Oscillator
Circuit K16=Dual Regulated Power Supply
Circuit K17=?Circuit K18=?
Circuit K19=Exhaust & Air Gate Control Circuits
Circuit K20=Summing Circuits
Circuit K21=Phase Lock Loop

Circuit Card L1=Variable Pulse Frequency Generator (Circuit K2)Card
L2=?Card
L3=Gas Injector Card (Circuits K10, K13)Card
L4=Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (Circuit K3)Card
L5=Acceleration Card (Circuit K11)Card
L6=Dual Regulated Power Supply (Circuit K16)Card
L7=Gated Frequency Oscillator (Circuit K15)Card
L8=Laser Distributor Optoshmitts (photodiodes) (Circuits K7, K12)Card
L9=Safety Control Circuit (Circuit K1)Card
L10=Laser Accelerator Optoschmitts (photodiodes) (Circuits K7, K12)Card
L11=Analog Voltage Generator (Circuit K8)Card
L12=Voltage Intensifier Control (Circuits K4, K5, K9, K14, K21, and the EEC per Fig 3-2 Tech Brief)

I need help as the list is not complete. I have not determined what circuits K6, K17, and K18 are.
I have not determined which circuits are on Card L2.
And I have not determined which Card(s) the following circuits are on: K6, K17, K18, K19, K20.

I know of one cirucit for sure which is missing and it's probably K6, K17, or K18. That is the Gas Feedback Control Circuit (Figure 11) from the Control & Driver Circuits patent WO 92/07861ali: Circuit

K1= Figure 11 - Safety Control Circuit (L9)Circuit
K2= Figure 12 - Variable Pulse Frequency Generator (L1)
Circuit K3= Figure 6 - Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (L4)
Circuit K4= Figure 5 - Cell Driver Circuit (L12)
Circuit K5= VIC CARD - Voltage IntensifierCircuit (L12)
Circuit K6= ?
Circuit K7= - Laser Accelerator (only) (L10)
Circuit K8= Figure 3 - Analog Voltage Generator (L11)
Cirucit K9= Figure 4 - Voltage Amplitude Control (L12)
Circuit K10= - Injector Circuit (L3)
Circuit K11= Figure 2 - Digital Control Means (Accel) (L5)
Cirucit K12= - Laser Distributor (only) (L8)
Circuit K13= - Gas Injector Circuit (L3)
Circuit K14= Figure 9 - Pulse Indicator Circuit (pulse pickup) (L12)
Circuit K15= - Gated Frequency Oscillator (L7)
Circuit K16= - Dual Regulated Power Supply (L6)
Circuit K17= ?
Circuit K18= ?
Circuit K19= - Exhaust & Air Gate Control Circuits
Circuit K20= - Summing Circuits
Circuit K21= Figure 7 - Phase Lock Loop Circuit (L12)
Circuit K22= Figure 8 - Resonant Scanning Circuit (L12) 8)

Quote from: Dynodon on April 17, 2011, 15:38:21 pm ---Just forget about the last C circuitAli, all the circuit boards are labeled with the K1-K21Don--- End quote ---PSfigure 7 refers to K22 which is Figure 8...


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Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #7, on April 13th, 2014, 07:53 AM »Last edited on April 13th, 2014, 07:56 AM
Stanley Meyer International Patent WO92-07861
Meyer’s  International Patent WO92-07861 is a document that rises very nearly to the level of  full technical disclosure with respect to his Hydrogen Gas Management System (GMS) and the sustained operation of the Electrical Polarization Process.

You may obtain a copy of this patent from my server at URL:

http://www.singularics.com/docs/meyers-WO9207861A1.pdf

In figure 1 below, Meyer lays out his system in an overview with the following coded block sections (listed below in sequence of operation).
—– (Primary side of Tx) —–

1 — Analog Voltage Generator Circuit (see circuit in Figure 3)

2 — Adjustable Frequency Generator (see circuit in Figure 12)

3  – Digital Control Means (see circuit in Figure 2)

4 — Voltage Amplitude Control Circuit (see circuit in Figure 4)

5 — Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (see circuit in Figure 6)

6 — Phase Lock Loop Circuit (see circuit in Figure 7)

7 — Resonant Scanning Circuit (see circuit in Figure 8 )

8 — Cell Driver Circuit (see circuit in Figure 5)

9 — TX1  (see circuit in Figure 10)

 

—– (Feedback from Tx) —–

10 — TX3 (see circuit in Figure 10)

11 — Pulse Indicator Circuit (see circuit in Figure 9)

 

—– (Feedback from Resonant Cavity) —–

12 — Gas Pressure Sensor (see Resonant Cavity in Figure 10)

13 — Gas Feedback Control Circuit (see circuit in Figure 11)

 

—– (Secondary side of Tx) —–

14 — TX2 (see circuit in Figure 10)

15 — TX5 (see circuit in Figure 10) to B – (connection to ground on Vss terminal o

16 — Resonant Cavity

17 — B+ to TX4

18 — Blocking Diode

 

I have included below the referenced circuits listed above.

You will also notice that Meyer uses letters A, B, E, F, G, H, J, K, L, M and M1 to indicate signal interchange (communication) between the various circuit elements. I refer to these as COM stages in what follows (eg. COM A, COM M1, etc.).

The electrical energy for managing the waveform and also driving the resonant cavity fuel cell  is supplied by the Analog Voltage Generator (fig. 3).The Hydrogen GMS also has the ability to apply dynamically generated voltage pressures to the collector of the FET that drives the VIC TX1. This functionality is provided by the Voltage Amplitude Control Circuit (fig. 4) and whose logic is managed by the Digital Control Means Circuit (fig. 2).With access to battery power and with the system turned on, the first thing Meyer’s Hydrogen GMS must do is to determine the resonant frequency for the resonant cavity.

This job is performed by the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator (fig. 12). It  accomplishes this by interpreting a resistor based  impedance matching network indicated in the “Pulse Frequency Control” section of the schematic.The non-gated resonant frequency is then setup by the Digital Control Means circuit (fig. 2) through COM G.The Digital Control Means circuit has two main jobs:

1) Sets the required gate frequency given the degree to which the throttle is engaged. A high throttle setting corresponds to a shorter gate frequency which yields higher fuel gas output to accommodate the higher energy requirements of acceleration. This throttle dependent gate frequency is communicated to the Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency circuit (fig. 6) through COM M1.

2) Sets the DC voltage in the Voltage Amplitude Control circuit (fig. 4) through COM M. The variable DC voltage applied to VIC  TX1 servers as a further control for governing the magnitude of the high voltage pulses that the resonant cavity experiences.The Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (fig. 6) produces the required gate frequency and combines it with the resonant frequency in real-time which it then sends to a Phase Lock Loop Circuit (fig. 7) through COM A.

The Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency Generator also adds one further tuning parameter to the gate frequency requirement – that of  fuel gas pressure in the resonant cavity enclosure. The system uses gas pressure maintenance as part of the equation for calculating required gate frequency and DC voltage amplitudes that will enable the cell to keep up with the fuel demands of the engine.  Gas pressure is constantly monitored by a gas pressure sensor which sends data to the Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (fig. 6) through the Gas Feedback Control Circuit (fig.11)  by way of COM K.In general, a phase lock loop (PLL) is a control system that tries to generate an output signal whose phase is related to the phase of the input “reference” signal.

It is an electronic circuit consisting of a variable frequency oscillator and a phase detector.

This circuit compares the phase of the input signal (COM A  from the Adjustable Gated Pulse Frequency Generator, fig. 6) with the phase of the signal derived from its output oscillator (Cell Driver Circuit, fig. 5).  Note that the system can monitor the PLL output oscillator by way of COM H received from the Pulse Indicator Circuit (fig. 9).The circuits in figures 7 and 8 interchange through COMs E, F and LThe circuit then adjusts the frequency of its output oscillator to keep the phases matched.

The signal from the phase detector is used to control the oscillator in a feedback loop.Frequency is the derivative of phase. Keeping the input and output phase in lock step implies keeping the input and output frequencies in lock step. Consequently, a phase-locked loop can track an input frequency, or it can generate a frequency that is a multiple of the input frequency. This latter property is used by Meyer’s GMS computer for resonant frequency synthesis.

The tuned resonant frequency output of this sub-system is then sent to the Cell Driver Circuit.This resulting energization is applied to the VIC to create the physical gas production effects in the resonant cavity enclosure.I have reproduced the full text of this patent below as it is very instructive.

Control and Driver Circuits for a Hydrogen Gas Fuel Producing Cell

The invention relates to electrical circuit systems useful in the operation of a water fuel cell including a water capacitor/resonant cavity for the production of a hydrogen containing fuel gas, such as that described in my United States Letter Patent No. 4,936,961, “Method for the production of a Fuel Gas”, issued on June 26, 1990.

In my aforesaid Letters Patent for a method for the production of a fuel gas, voltage pulses applied to the plates of a water capacitor tune into the dielectric properties  of the water and attenuate the electrical forces between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms of the molecule. The attenuation of the electrical forces results in a change in the molecular electrical forces results in a change in the molecular forces of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When resonance is achieved, the atomic bond of the molecule is broken, and the atoms of the molecule disassociate. At resonance, the current (amp) draw from a power source to the water is minimized and the voltage across the water capacitor increases. Electron flow is not permitted (except at the minimum, corresponding to leakage resulting from the residual conductive properties of water). For the process to continue, however, a resonant condition must be maintained.

Because of the electrical polarity of the water molecule, the fields produced in the water capacitor respectively attract and repel the opposite and like charges in the molecule, and the forces eventually achieved at resonance are such that the strength of the covalent bonding forces in the water molecule (which are normally in an electron sharing mode) disassociate. Upon disassociation, the formerly shared bonding electrons migrate to the hydrogen nuclei, and both the hydrogen and oxygen revert to the net zero electrical charge. The atoms are released from the water as a gas mixture.

In the invention herein, a control circuit for a resonant cavity water capacitor cell utilized for the production of a hydrogen containing fuel gas is provided.

The circuit includes an isolation means such as a transformer having a ferromagnetic, ceramic or other electromagnetic material core and having one side of a secondary coil connected in series with a high speed switching diode to one plate of the water capacitor of the resonant cavity and the other side of the water capacitor to form a closed loop electronic circuit utilizing the dielectric properties of water as part of the electronic resonant circuit. The primary coil of the isolation transformer is connected to a pulse generation means. The secondary coil of the transformer may include segments that form resonant charging choke circuits in series with the water capacitor plates.


 
In the pulse generation means, an adjustable first, resonant frequency generator and a second gated pulse pulse frequency generator are provided. A gate pulse controls the number of of pulses produced by the resonant frequency generator sent to the primary coil during a period determined by the gate frequency of the second pulse generator.

The invention also includes a means for sensing the occurrence of a resonant condition in the water capacitor/resonant cavity, which when a ferromagnetic or electromagnetic core is used, may be a pickup coil on the transformer coil. The sensing means is interconnected to a scanning circuit and phase lock loop circuit, whereby the pulsing frequency to the primary coil of the transformer is maintained at a sensed frequency corresponding to the resonant condition in the water capacitor.

Control means are provided in the circuit for adjusting the amplitude of a pulsing cycle sent to the primary coil and for maintaining the frequency of the pulsing cycle at a constant frequency regardless of pulse amplitude. In addition, the gated pulse frequency generator may be operatively interconnected with a sensor that monitors the rate of gas production from the cell and controls the number of pulses from the resonant frequency generator sent to the cell in a gated frequency in a correspondence with the rate of gas production. The sensor may be a gas pressure sensor in an enclosed water capacitor resonant cavity which also includes a gas outlet. The gas pressure sensor is operatively connected to the circuit to determine the rate of gas production with respect to ambient gas pressure in the water capacitor enclosure.

Thus, an omnibus control circuit and its discrete elements for maintaining and controlling the resonance and other aspects of the release of gas from a resonant cavity water cell is described herein and illustrated in the drawings which depict the following:

Figure 1 is a block diagram of an overall control circuit showing the interrelationship of sub-circuits, the pulsing core/resonant circuit and the water capacitor resonant cavity.

Figure 2 shows a type of digital control means for regulating the ultimate rate of gas production as determined by an external input. (Such a control means would correspond, for example, to the accelerator in an automobile or a building thermostat control.)

Figure 3 shows an analog voltage generator.

Figure 4 is a voltage amplitude control circuit interconnected with the voltage generator and one side of the primary coil of the pulsing core.

Figure 5 is the cell driver circuit that is connected with the opposite side of the primary coil of the pulsing core.

Figure 6, 7, 8 and 9 relate to the pulsing control means including a gated pulse frequency generator.

(Figure 6); a phase lock circuit

(Figure 7); a resonant scanning circuit

(Figure 8); and the pulse indicator circuit

(Figure 9) that control pulses transmitted to the resonant cavity/water fuel cell capacitor

Figure 10 shows the pulsing core and the voltage intensifier circuit that is the interface between the control circuit and the resonant cavity.

Figure 11 is a gas feedback control circuit.

Figure 12 is an adjustable frequency generator circuit.

The circuits are operatively interconnected as shown in Figure 1 and to the pulsing core voltage intensifier circuit of Figure 10, which, inter alia, electrically isolates the water capacitor so that it becomes an electrically isolated cavity for the processing of water in accordance with its dielectric resonance properties. By reason of the isolation, power consumption in the control and driving circuits is minimized when resonance occurs; and current demand is minimized as voltage is maximized in the gas production mode of the water capacitor/fuel cell.

The reference letters appearing in the Figures, A, B, C, D, E, etc., to M and M1 show, with respect to each separate circuit depicted, the point at which a connection in that circuit is made to a companion or interrelated circuit.

In the invention, the water capacitor is subjected to a duty pulse which builds up in the resonant changing choke coils and then collapses. This occurrence permits a unipolar pulse to be applied to the fuel capacitor. When a resonant condition of the circuit is locked-in by the circuit, amp leakage is held to a minimum as the voltage which creates the dielectric field tends to infinity. Thus, when high voltage is detected upon resonance, the phase lock loop circuit that controls the cell driver circuit maintains the resonance at the detected (or sensed) frequency.

The resonance of the water capacitor cell is affected by the volume of water in the cell. The resonance of any given volume of water maintained in the water capacitor cell is also affected by “contaminants” in the water which act as a damper. For example, at an applied potential difference of 2000 to 5000 volts to the cell, an amp spike or surge may be caused by in consistencies in water characteristics that cause an out-of-resonance condition which is remedied instantaneously by the control circuits.

In the invention, the adjustable frequency generator (Figure 12) tunes into the resonant condition of the circuit including the water cell and the water therein. The generator has a frequency capability of 0 to 10 KHz and tunes into resonance typically at a frequency of 5 KHz in a typical 3.0 inch water capacitor formed of a 0.5 inch rod enclosed within a 0.75 inch inside diameter cylinder. At start up, in this example, current draw through the water cell will measure about 25 milliamp; however, when the circuit finds a tuned resonant condition, current drops to a 1 – 2 milliamp minimum leakage condition.

The voltage to the capacitor water cell increases according to the turns of the winding and size of the coils, as in a typical transformer circuit. For example, if 12 volts are sent to the primary coil of the pulsing core and the secondary coil resonant charging choke ratio is 30 to 1, then 360 volts are sent to the capacitor water cell. Turns are a design variable that control the voltage of the unipolar pulses sent to the capacitor.

The high speed switching diode shown in Figure 10 prevents charge leakage from the charged water in the water capacitor cavity, and the water capacitor as an overall capacitor circuit element, i.e., the pulse and charge status of the water/capacitor never pass through an arbitrary ground. The pulse to the water capacitor is always unipolar. The water capacitor is electrically isolated from the control, input and driver circuits by the electromagnetic coupling through the core. The switching diode in the VIC circuit (Figure 10) performs several functions in the pulsing. The diode is an electronic switch that determines the generation and collapse of an electromagnetic field to permit the resonant charging choke(s) to double the applied frequency and also allows the pulse to be sent to the resonant cavity without discharging the “capacitor” therein. The diode, of course, is selected in accordance with the maximum voltage encountered in the pulsing circuit. A 600 PIV fast switching diode, such as an NVR 1550 high speed switching diode, has been found to be useful in the circuit herein.

The VIC circuit of Figure 10 also includes a ferromagnetic or ceramic ferromagnetic pulsing core capable of producing electromagnetic flux lines in response to an electrical pulse input. The flux lines equally affect the secondary coil and the resonant charging choke windings. Preferably, the core is a closed loop construction. The effect of the core is to isolate the water capacitor and to prevent the pulsing signal from going below an arbitrary ground and to maintain the charge of the already charged water and water capacitor.

In the pulsing core, the coils are preferably wound in the same direction to maximize the additive effect of the electromagnetic field therein.

The magnetic field of the pulsing core is in synchronization with the pulse input to the primary coil. The potential from the secondary coil is introduced to the resonant charging choke(s) series circuit elements which are subjected to the same synchronous applied electromagnetic field, simultaneously with the primary pulse.

When resonance occurs, control of the gas output is achieved by varying voltage amplitude or varying the time of duty gate cycle. The transformer core is a pulse frequency doubler. In a figurative explanation of the workings of the fuel gas generator water capacitor cell, when a water molecule is “hit” by a pulse, electron time share is affected, and the molecule is charged. When the time of the duty cycle is changed, the number of pulses that “hit” the molecules in the fuel cell is correspondingly modified. More “hits” results in a greater rate of molecular disassociation.

With references to the overall circuit of Figure 1, Figure 3 receives a digital input signal, and Figure 4 depicts the control means that directs 0-12 volts across the primary coil of the pulsing core. Depending upon designs parameters of primary coil voltage and other factors relevant to core design, the secondary coil of the pulsing core can be set up for a predetermined maximum, such as 2000 volts.

Figure 5, the cell driver circuit, allows a gated pulse to be varied in a direct relation to voltage amplitude.

As noted above, the circuit of Figure 6 produces a gate pulse frequency. The gate pulse is superimposed over the resonant frequency pulse to create a duty cycle that determines the number of discrete pulses sent to the primary coil. For example, assuming a resonant pulse of 5 KHz, a 0.5 Hz gate pulse may be superimposed over the 5 KHz pulse to provide 2500 discrete pulses in a 50% duty cycle per Hz. The relationship of resonant pulse to the gate pulse is determined by conventional signal addition/subtraction techniques.

Figure 7, a phase lock loop, allows pulse frequency to be maintained at a predetermined resonant condition sensed by the circuit. Together, the circuits of Figures 7 and 8 determine an output signal to the pulsing core until the peak voltage signal sensed at resonance is achieved.

A resonant condition occurs when the pulse frequency and the voltage input attenuates the covalent bonding forces of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms of the water molecule. When this occurs, amp leakage through the water capacitor is minimized. The tendency of voltage to maximize at resonance increases the force of the electric potential applied to the water molecules, which ultimately disassociate into atoms.

Because resonances of different waters, water volumes, and capacitor cells vary, the resonant scanning circuit of Figure 8 is useful. The scanning circuit of Figure 8 scans frequency from high to low to low to high repeating until a signal lock is determined. The ferromagnetic core of the voltage intensifier circuit transformer suppresses electron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell. In an example, the circuit scans at frequencies from 0 Hz to 10 KHz to 0 Hz. In water having contaminants in the range of of 1 ppm to 20 ppm, a 20% variance in resonant frequency is encountered. Depending on water flow rate into fuel cell, the nominal variance range is about 8 to 10%. For example, iron in well water affects the status of molecular disassociation. Also, at a resonant condition harmonic effects occur. In a typical operation of the cell with a representative water capacitor described below, at a frequency of about 5 KHz at unipolar pulses from 0 to 650 volts at a sensed resonant condition into the resonant cavity, conversion of about 5 gallons of water per hour into a fuel gas will occur on average. To increase the rate, multiple resonant cavities can be used and/or the surfaces of the water capacitor can be increased, however, the water capacitor cell is preferable small in scale. A typical water capacitor may be formed from a 0.5 inch in diameter stainless steel rod and a 0.75 inch inside diameter cylinder that together extend concentrically about 3.0 inches with respect to each other.

Shape and size of the resonant cavity may vary. Larger resonant cavities and higher rates of consumption of water in the conversion process require higher frequencies such as up to 50 KHz and above. The pulsing rate, to sustain such high rates of conversion must be correspondingly increased.

From the foregoing description of the preferred embodiment, other variations and modifications of the system disclosed will be evident to those of skill in the art.

WHAT IS CLAIMED IS:

1. A control circuit for a resonant cavity water capacitor cell utilized for the production of hydrogen containing fuel gas including an isolation transformer including a ferromagnetic core and having one side of a secondary coil connected in series with a high speed switching diode to one plate of the water capacitor of the resonant cavity and the other side of the secondary coil connected to the other plate of the water capacitor to form a closed loop electronic loop circuit utilizing the dielectric properties of water as part of the electronic circuit and a primary coil connected to a pulse generation means.

2. The circuit of Claim 1 in which the secondary coil includes segments that form a resonant charging choke circuit in series with the water capacitor.

3. The circuit of Claim 1 in which the pulse generation means includes an adjustable first frequency generator and a second gated pulse frequency generator which controls the number of pulses produced by the first frequency generator sent to the primary coil during a period determined by the gate frequency of the second pulse generator.

4. The circuit of Claim 1 further including a means for sensing the occurrence of a resonant condition in the water capacitor of the resonant cavity.

5. The circuit of Claim 4 in which the means for sensing is a pickup coil on the ferromagnetic core of the transformer.

6.  The circuit of Claim 4 of Claim 5 in which the sensing means is interconnected to a scanning circuit and a phase lock loop circuit, whereby the pulsing frequency to the primary coil of the transformer is maintained at a sensed frequency corresponding to a resonant condition in the water capacitor.

7. The circuit of Claim 1 including means for adjusting the amplitude of a pulsing cycle sent to the primary coil.

8. The circuit of Claim 6 including further means for maintaining the frequency of the pulsing cycle at a constant frequency regardless of pulse amplitude.

9. The circuit of Claim 3 in which the gated pulse frequency generator is operatively interconnected with a sensor that monitors the rate of gas production from the cell and controls the number of pulses to the cell in a gated frequency in a correspondence with the rate of gas production.

10. The circuit of Claim 7 or Claim 8 or Claim 9 further including a gas pressure sensor in an enclosed water capacitor resonant cavity which also includes a gas outlet, which gas pressure sensor is operatively connected to the circuit to determine the rate of gas production with respect to ambient gas pressure in the water capacitor enclosure.

11. The methods and apparatus as substantially described herein.

.:.

securesupplies

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #8, on April 13th, 2014, 07:58 AM »
I Am Working on  Accelerator controls

So I got these update frm Alex petty and other forums put them here for now  Suggest you read it

CONTROL CIRCUIT
 
The diagrams show a simple circuit to control and drive this mini-system. You are going to make a ‘square-pulse’ signal that ‘plays’ the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you can watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go down the road, the ‘fatter’ you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty cycle will vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).
 
There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways to generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The NE555-circuit approach (see diagrams) is from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be rated for 1-5 amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).
 
Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and go get all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or Circuits-R-Us, including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.
 
DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be sure to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for mounting 2 or 3 of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment will require running a stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.
 
You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thru-hole discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC you use. More details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype testing. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
 
Throttle Control
 
If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the sensor itself OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the primary control (i.e. throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).
 
If you don’t have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable resistor) to the gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable running to the carb or FI. If you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a POT that can handle the engine temp cycles. Don’t use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it securely to something sturdy and stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.
 
Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulse-width (duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal voltage, say 1-4 Volt swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing to generate a 10% ON ‘square’ pulse. The patent implies using a ‘resonant’ pulse in the 10-250 KHz frequency range; but it is not explicitly stated so.
 
In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect the right pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use spare sockets to try out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are spec-compatible in the circuit, and get the job done.
 
You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes; verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 – 100 usec on the horizontal time-base). Your averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output transistor (Vce or Vds or Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current and measure .5 – 5 amps, without blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got everything you wanted.
 
Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring 1 at a time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount miniature POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a quick visual check of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.

securesupplies

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #9, on April 13th, 2014, 08:00 AM »Last edited on April 13th, 2014, 08:17 AM
NOTE

You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes;



Heuristicobfuscation

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #12, on April 13th, 2014, 07:47 PM »Last edited on April 13th, 2014, 07:58 PM
Thanks for posting ..

I have been thinking of tackling this challenge. Divide conquer and simplyfy if possible.

So if we divide the task in smaller parts then we can ultimatly bundle into one PCB.

Here are the divisions.

#1  Variable Pulse Frequency Generator Circuit.
#2  Gated Pulse Frequency Generator     
#1, #2 are similar to "rustic generator" we would just interface the following.   

#3  Phase Lock Circuit
#4  Resonant Scanning Circuit
#5  Resonant Feedback
#6  Pulser Indicator Circuit.....I dont think that the pulser indicator circuit  is that important.
#7  Cell Driver Circuit

#7 The cell driver circuit looks like multiple stage transistor as signal amplifier. This we can replace with a simple
mosfet to drive the cell.
if we do this we are not necesaraly limited to the ciruit that this was designed to drive wich is the ViC transformer with feedback coil and resonant chokes that specifically shows in the drawing connected to "one" 3 inch cell.

So I could be wrong on this but up to this day i still dont know exacly if the resonat cavity with multiple cells [i think there was like 11 or 12 cells inside about 3 inches long] where connected individually and independantly of each other ?

The numbers dont add up to the pictures that are available to us.  also the connection on the picture is in a series circuit fashion instead of individual[see pic] and independent connections to each cell in the resonant cavity.

Why did Stan Meyer go to so much trouble to manufacture so many VIC Cards and then connect the WFC units in series? i dont get it.
something is missing..
..

there is a considerable down sizing happening from his first original dune buggy fuell cell to his later models.
maybe with the smaller fuell cells he didnt have to use so many vic drivers? maybe he noticed it worked good enough with one driver and thats why he conncted in series?  I dont know but making a replica of this would be a step in the direction to find the answers.

Gunther Rattay

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #13, on April 14th, 2014, 01:45 AM »Last edited on April 14th, 2014, 05:36 AM
It´s funny and sad at the same time to see activities running in endless circles all the time regarding Stan Meyer´s technology ...

As a shortcut:

I have built and published a pcb containing all those oscillation circuits and drivers shown above in 2011 at energeticforum.com and at hereticalbuilders.com as open source. we called it "freedom circuit".
http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/5286-stanley-meyer-tec-devices-test-debugging-suite.html
http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=168

then in 2011 we used it and saw it´s limitations because the main goal  >>> to get water into the gas producing condition <<< was really difficult to reach with that setting. potentiometer exactness and NE555 restrictions to control duty cycle was only one of many ...

as a result I designed a microcontroller solution overcoming all those restrictions and it took 2 years for me to build a product for the market including large frequency range, precise frequency, duty and gating control, exact replication of earlier gotten results, 4 channel operation, PLL and much more ...

So if you want to waste lots of time you should replicate Stan Meyer´s original circuit design. when you are done you´ll have a funny hardware configuration of CMOS circuits perfectly fitting into your "Stanley Meyer memorial hardware museum". But it will be more and more complicated to get one of those outdated digital circuits ...

If you want to waste a little time you should rebuild the "freedom circuit" layout I posted 3-4 years ago.

If you want to jump into that technology in time and explore it "state of the art"  you should jump into "PGen 2.0 pulse wizard"

You might ask why I built that microcontroller circuit ...

As I described here http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=469.msg9806#msg9806 I built it for my own research but I made a product out of it because people in forums like this told me that they are looking for that kind of easy to use, versatile, powerful solution. In the meantime some of them have spent their money for 8XA/9XA replications with or without SCRs and after fiddling around with those parts now they are exactly stuck where they started from ...

So here it is http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1836.msg25094#msg25094 ...

Gunther Rattay

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #14, on April 14th, 2014, 01:57 AM »Last edited on April 14th, 2014, 02:33 AM
Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on April 13th, 2014, 07:47 PM
...
Why did Stan Meyer go to so much trouble to manufacture so many VIC Cards and then connect the WFC units in series? i dont get it.
something is missing..
..

there is a considerable down sizing happening from his first original dune buggy fuell cell to his later models.
...
taking the cells in series was the only way to raise tap water resistance in a way that existing transformer cores were able to cope with.
Indeed lots of modifications at the electronic circuits can be done and have been done already.
It will be a dead end trial to start without a microcontroller solution. Even Stan mentioned that in the middle of the 90s. His discrete approach was created over years and years and it always was a prototype approach.
For Stan it was easy to modify the discrete circuits because HE knew the most important part of his technology: the parameters needed to make water fall apart into oxygen and hydrogen.

that´s the part his followers will have to find out on their own ... If someone doesn´t want to invest the 20 years Stan had to spend until he knew ... one should take shortcuts for a faster approach to the details.

Therefore a powerful laboratory device is needed ... >>> "PGen 2.0 pulse wizard"

Edward Mitchell and gpssonar here at the forum are using it continiously and when Russ has finished his move and reconfigured his lab he also will use the complete "PGen 2.0 pulse wizard" system consisting of software, microcontroller, baseboard and electronic switch for his research.

Have fun!

HMS-776

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #15, on April 14th, 2014, 12:37 PM »Last edited on April 14th, 2014, 12:40 PM
Have to agree with Bussi,

Go ahead and replicate all Stan's circuits. And what will they reveal? More problems.

I would love to see someone completely replicate the buggy and all the circuits. Why? Because they would reveal the truth, that Stan never had a reliable working system.

Stan made an important discovery, but I believe that discovery was proven to be nearly impossible to engineer systems around. It's more likely that Stan faced problems which he worked tirelessly to solve but never did. He did not have the complete system that would work in any vehicle and start and run without problems. Wake up people.

And don't take this the wrong way. We should study all we can to find out what he did. However, as Bussi pointed out he already found out some of the problems with that circuitry. I just don't want to see people spend their hard earned time and money on something that has already been found to have problems.

securesupplies

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #16, on April 14th, 2014, 03:24 PM »Last edited on April 14th, 2014, 03:34 PM
IT IS VERY HARD WORK TO KEEP IT SIMPLE

Most of this is no harder than adapting
LPG Systems which have all the same parts and issues.

Installers know 90% of this already

ITS EASY !!!!!!!!


The Acellerator and feed back is standard on all cars
EGR standard on all cars
Digtal distributor is standard on all new cars and after market of the self.
The EGR is controlled int he MAP Software map inside the ECU not outside like most dumb hho installer promote..
Thus the blend heat ration and timing are all easily controlled with secondary ecu just like used for millions of lpg ngv conversions

The Version we are looking at here is Stans
 HHO rail feed injection on solenoid injectors to meter feed hho and or H to
on plug injector feed adpators

Not the last version with  water injector.

Note
the variable is restricting the air in take with baffles and
ionising the incoming air though a parrell intake(gas processor ( air intake)

so all air coming in is in a higher energy state and we are controlling it as  we pluck of electrons
we do not want any ambient air that is not ionized and we want high quality oxygen

It looks alot more simple these days than it did when we started

Pulser is vital part of feed back to adjust the Duty and pulse width from acellerator pedal
all is explained in notes above it is not the only way it can be done as I posted above
These thread is to understand the parts and how to put the new ones awe have to work in same fashion

Most of it is re tuning what is on car standard now LIKE EGR and TIME and air intake control
Time to build Knowledge is here to apply to many variation of the tech

A great variation is adding second solenoid set like butane or lpg
and bring them on as piggy back and after a certain rmp say after 1000 rpm
to meter mix and cut fuel consumption by 50% or more this allow 2 nd ecu and not changes to emission systems

Thus we learn and can advance
that is totally doable right now and can mix with lpg diesel or gasoline

Keep threads to doing step by step replications

We are planning to refine the threads and stream line back to building
step by step to progress .

Just build and get it applied with all variations





Gunther Rattay

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #17, on April 15th, 2014, 12:08 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 12:27 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 14th, 2014, 03:24 PM
...
Keep threads to doing step by step replications

We are planning to refine the threads and stream line back to building
step by step to progress .

Just build and get it applied with all variations
I agree.

actually TALKING is 99% and building is 1% (or worse).

All important facts are already talked about.

About costs:

you have to face the fact that a rebuild will end up in the ~$2500 range. If that sounds too expensive that project is not for you. then your single choice left is to talk about like watching tv ... :-)

At the end you have the chance to get energy for free but for reaching that goal you´ll have to spend that money ... but for the correct parts of course ...

Gunther Rattay

Re: Stanly Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #18, on April 15th, 2014, 12:22 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 12:29 AM
to get along that path you have to practise an engineering approach. here at the forum there are some good examples from the past how people have practised that engineering approach but now they got stuck due to unrewarding discussions. and now???

for future approches i would suggest beneficial moderation supporting engineering activities.


securesupplies

Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #20, on April 15th, 2014, 10:46 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 10:50 AM
Consolidation and Advancing let get all in one place
Labeled right 
and simplify the adaption to modern replications

securesupplies

Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #21, on April 15th, 2014, 10:55 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 11:00 AM
Better to Have the Full Set in here, for the GMS it make more clear send to scale down now