Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
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Do you agree Hydrogen on demand engines are  Now Possible?

No I hate Hydrogen
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Seams ok but need to learn more
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HHO is for me but with injection not random feed to random airspace
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I want pure h only for fuel mix supplement at a rpm range and or replace my fuel as much as possible with out sensor timing issues
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OHH YEAAHHH  LOVE IT ALL PEACE and Clean Air!!
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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #25, on April 15th, 2014, 11:20 AM »
1) Alarm (7 pins)

2) Dist (7 pins)

3) Gate (2 pins)

4) Accel (32 pins)

5) Exhaust Gate (2 pins)

6) TOR (8 pins)

7) DC Power (2 pins)

8 ) VIC Circuit (6 pins)

 

The GMS Unit connected to the Voltage Intensifier Unit.

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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #26, on April 15th, 2014, 11:21 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 11:24 AM
This rack contains 11 module cards and a cable connection bay with 12VDC rail terminals,  2 cable connection ports and a power switch.

The card modules are (from left to right):

1) Steam Resonator

2) Resonant Cavity 10

3) Resonant Cavity 9

4) Resonant Cavity 8

5) Resonant Cavity 7

6) Resonant Cavity 6

7) Resonant Cavity 5

8 ) Resonant Cavity 4

9) Resonant Cavity 3

10) Resonant Cavity 2

11) Gas Processor

Each of these cards have identical user interfaces.

 

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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #27, on April 15th, 2014, 11:38 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 11:43 AM
 Ideally What we want now is  Interfaces that can  connect into OBD II to pick up the array of input signales
from the Engine and modern ecu piggy back units Like Butane or lpg. 

Lets Work it a new way Can we Start a VITAL List of the Input signals we need from a Car
with exisiting Ecu or a secondary piggy back ecu and Modern equipment

Us old salts know
and if we put  our heads together the list is vital
 as it would provide simplification of what we have on car to connect to  run logic to control cell and vic Easy.

The tune is part of it and EGR MAP timing and exisits already for lpg tuning so what we need is fine tune on
air intake and Accelerator to cell duty gate etc


Vital we can get and we need  help with this list please.

1 Oil Pressure ( Cars have now)
2 Engine Temp
2  RMP  (cars have now)
3 Intake Temp (car have now)
4 Intake Pressure Car have now)
5 Cell Pressure Cars have now ( transducer)
6 PLL  from feed back
8 Water level
9 Water temp
7 Accelerator position can have now can put piggy back for fnetune signal to  our gear
8  Pulse  & Duty Width  Adjust from 7
9   EGR Valve Position cars have now
10 Intake Valve(baffle Position)  need could use accelrator position

What else is vital?

Keep it simple and in do it now type posts
Ask lpg ask people get results on this thread.

we can re engineer if we really thing and push on these .

We piggy back ecu and sensor data to controll pwm duty gate and
we need tune abilty on ait intake and Egr , egr can be done in side a lpg ecu

So first major would be get signals of accelerator position for controlling vic and cell production  vs rmp speed.
Pressure from Transducer is next so we know how much gas we have.

So we can focus on a baord that use a OBD II type plug in or if we have a LPG ecu we have a 3 rd plu in logic
board to piggy back and control vic and cell

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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #28, on April 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 11:47 AM
EXAMPLES

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Hydrogen Powered Commodore
 By Darren ChandlerDarrenWChandler@aol.com
 
fig. 1.    The Commodore after it’s first Hydrogen road test.
Introduction
While I have an interest in cars, it is not an all-encompassing interest, just one of many interests.  I am actually very narrow minded with cars- I am really only interested in one brand, Holden!  I suppose it is because I grew up with Holdens.  They were always big, comfortable, reliable and uniquely Australian.  Another interest I have is alternative fuels.  I believe that one day we will either run out or not be able to afford petroleum fuels, meaning that hundreds of millions of petrol driven cars could be rendered useless to their owners unless we can convert them to operate on a new, sustainable fuel.
Converting a car to run on Hydrogen is a passion that I have had since I was quite young.  The idea of being self-reliant and creating my own hydrogen fuel from water through electrolysis and then powering my car on it, no longer relying on petrol companies has always been a dream.  I also like the fact that a vehicle running on hydrogen emits mainly steam from the exhaust.  Assuming the power used to obtain the hydrogen is produced in an environmentally friendly manner, cars powered by hydrogen actually improve the surrounding air quality, because pollutants in the air are burnt inside the engine and no new pollutants are produced.  This is why hydrogen powered internal combustion cars are sometimes called “minus emission vehicles”.
fig.2.  the exhaust is mainly harmless steam
In 2003 my father handed over the keys to his 1980 Holden VC commodore, the goal was to “do it up”. I decided that the VC would become my first attempt at a hydrogen conversion.
The plan
While the VC was 26 years old, the aim was that the conversion could be applied to almost any petrol driven car, including modern fuel-injected types.  The conversion also needed to be as safe as possible and with minimal tendency to ‘ping’ (pre-ignite the hydrogen fuel).  The car was also to be a ‘dual fuel’ conversion, meaning it could switch between hydrogen and petrol.
While cars have previously been converted by introducing hydrogen into the air intake, this method is flawed as it creates a large volume of mixed hydrogen and air inside the intake manifold.  Due to the extremely high flame speed of hydrogen, this is dangerous for the engine, as any pre-ignition event could cause a very large “backfire” inside the manifold, frightening everyone nearby and damaging the engine.  Pre-ignition is one of the main problems with hydrogen, as the flame speed is faster than that of any hydrocarbon fuel, if the ignition timing is not set at top dead centre right through the rev range, the flame front inside the cylinder will burn back through the still partially open intake valves and ignite any fuel/air mix inside the manifold.  This is not the only thing that can cause backfiring, even before it is ignited the hydrogen can self-ignite when entering the cylinders, just from contact with a “hot spot” inside the cylinder.  This is one reason why it was decided to use a sequentially injected system on the car.  This would involve using specially made “gas” fuel injectors, one for each cylinder, and each “firing” just before it’s corresponding intake valve opens.  In addition, the ignition timing would need to be able to be altered from inside the cabin both when tuning the car, and when changing between hydrogen and petrol fuel.  Compressed hydrogen would be used, initially obtained from a local gas supplier..  Two “E” size cylinders fit in the boot easily and these are filled to just over 2000 psi giving a range of around 30km just enough for testing purposes.
The conversion
The first part of the conversion involved extensive modification of the ignition system.  The existing ignition system on a VC is a conventional one for 1980; a distributor, reluctor system, using a single coil and a rotor button to distribute the high tension to each of the six spark plugs.  Timing is controlled by weights inside the distributor that, by centrifugal force, rotate the reluctor assembly, advancing the timing as rpm increases. This works well when running on petrol, however to run on hydrogen, there needs to be no ignition advance. Additionally, the sequential fuel injection system needs to know the position of the engine at all times to enable the correct injector to fire at the right time, and this engine, being a carburetor engine, has no sensors to determine engine position. This meant removing most of the existing ignition system, retaining the distributor and reluctor only as an engine position sensor.  The centrifugal weights were clamped so they could not move, and an optical sensor was fitted to the distributor case.  The only function of the rotor button now is to trigger the optical sensor.
fig. 3.  Modified distributor. Arrow indicates optical sensor. 
This optical sensor now gives a reference signal, and the existing reluctor provides the six “firing points” needed to determine the position of the engine.  These signals are fed into a “sequencer box”, which drives six separate ignition coils.  This consists of a PCB containing logic circuitry, which drives two, 3 channel coil driver devices, pictured in fig.4. This also provides the signals used to drive the fuel injection system.
fig. 4. sequencer box which drives the six coils
fig. 5. the six ignition coils can be seen here.
The ignition advance is controlled by a PIC based controller inside the cabin, which has two pre-set programs- one firing at T.D.C across the rev range for hydrogen fuel, and one giving the advance curve needed for petrol operation.  These programs can be changed with the push of a button.
 
fig. 6. the PIC based device used for ignition timing control.
Next, the fuel injection system was constructed.  The fuel injectors were ordered from a company in the U.S.A.  They are specially designed for gaseous fuels, and can be used with hydrogen, compressed natural gas (C.N.G) and propane.  They are rated at 80 psi input pressure for hydrogen, and are “peak and hold” type injectors, meaning they need a special type of driver which delivers full (6 amps) current initially to open the injector, then reduces the current to 1 amp to hold the injector open for the rest of it’s  “open” cycle.  A special mounting bracket was fabricated to accommodate the fuel injectors, along with the fuel rail, which was salvaged from a later model Commodore that featured fuel injection.
fig. 7. two of the fuel injectors and fuel rail.
Ports for the fuel injectors were machined from brass plumbing fittings and ¼” copper tubes carry the hydrogen from the fuel injectors, through the intake manifold and to within 2 cm of the intake valves.  What this means is that, because the injector will only fire when it’s intake valve opens, there is minimal mixing of hydrogen and air within the intake manifold, which minimizes the extent of any pre-ignition event.
fig. 8. here the ¼”tubes carrying hydrogen fuel can be seen.
The injection system is controlled by a potentiometer which is connected to the throttle cable; when the throttle is depressed, the potentiometer reduces the voltage supplied to a voltage controlled oscillator (V.C.O), and this reduces the frequency of the square wave output of the V.C.O. The cable is an additional throttle cable which works in parallel with the original throttle cable.
fig. 9. potentiometer attached to throttle cable. Mounted to firewall.
This V.C.O signal is fed to the injection control box, which consists of flip-flops and counters.  When an injector is fired, a flip-flop is set and stays set until it’s counter has received 128 pulses from the V.C.O, when the flip-flop is reset and the injector is turned off.  If the V.C.O frequency is reduced (throttle pedal depressed), those 128 pulses take longer to occur and so the injector stays open longer.  This is how throttling is accomplished.  Fine tuning of the V.C.O is possible using the controls inside the car and this allows for idle speed and throttle range adjustment.
fig. 10. peak and hold injector driver and control box.
fig. 11. injection control box with cover removed.
Solenoid valves are used to turn the petrol and hydrogen supplies on and off when necessary..  These are operated from the fuel selection switch in the cabin.
fig. 12. V.C.O box in centre console.
The hydrogen fuel cylinders are mounted laterally in the boot in special brackets, which hold the cylinders securely.  The regulators mount directly to the cylinders and are two stage regulators, set at 80 psi. 10 mm I.D hose carries the hydrogen up to the fuel rail under the bonnet.
fig. 12. cylinders mounted in boot.
fig. 13. dual stage regulator.
Testing
 
The VC was test driven on hydrogen and after some adjustment of fuel injection timing it performed well. As expected the power was approx 80% of that when running on petrol.  The VC was driven at over 110 km/h and on flat roads achieved 13-15 km per cylinder of Hydrogen.  When the engine is hot and under heavy acceleration, some pre-ignition is still occasionally apparent, however it is not severe and the future planned is to add a water injection system which should solve this entirely.  A further plan is to test the car on C.N.G as this is currently the most feasible alternative fuel in this country, and the idea of filling the car with C.N.G at home is appealing.
fig. 14. first test run on hydrogen fuel.
Conclusion
    This project took almost three years to complete due mainly to other commitments and projects happening along the way. It was a learning process and it has paved the way to creating a fairly economical conversion system which, in the future, can be utilised to convert other, newer vehicles. On the subject of cost, here are some figures for the higher cost items in Australian dollars;-
6x gas injectors:                                   $1200peak and hold driver:                           $4002x ignition coil drivers:                         $4006x ignition coils:                                    $3602x dual stage hydrogen regulators:    $800
total                                                     $3160     
All other major parts for the conversion were designed and constructed by the author, so the main cost here was time, however the remaining parts / materials cost would be no more than another $1000, so the total cost of the project was approx $4160.
As mentioned earlier, while the conversion was primarily designed for use with hydrogen fuel, it is equally suited to operation on C.N.G, a fuel which is plentiful in Australia.  Unfortunately, it seems Australia is a country of governments whom are reluctant to embrace change, presenting a big challenge to any new or developing technology.  While other countries encourage the use of C.N.G in cars, it is an unknown fuel in this country, and while there are hydrogen refueling stations in the U.S to encourage research and improvement of these types of cars, the Australian government has just decided to offer a $2000 rebate to anyone converting their car to liquid propane gas just because petrol prices have gone up!… An abhorrent waste of money, which could be spent with a view beyond the next election.  For these reasons, some specialized parts (i.e. the injectors) were impossible to obtain locally, as there is no automotive hydrogen or C.N.G industry here.
However, when we do finally move away from petroleum fuels and hydrogen does become readily available, this type of conversion will mean motorists will be able to continue driving their internal combustion vehicles, and all of the energy and materials put into their manufacture will not be wasted.
 
Speacial notes about this
 
He changes the accelerator to digital
 
He is using tanks,
he does not use restricted air intake but he should
w\he could remove tanks and make hydrogen on demand joing with air intake ioniser
 
This clearly show it works fine
 
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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #29, on April 15th, 2014, 11:52 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 11:57 AM
Take Special not of the throttle tune here has that what we need to the vic (switch)and pwm 
Dan

Examples attached boat throttle car pedal, throttle body ,  accelerator  dimmer for turbo control suitable for a piggy back bike controls

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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #30, on April 15th, 2014, 12:03 PM »Last edited on April 15th, 2014, 01:30 PM
For the Circuits which are Advancing  PGen and Pgen Switch  both good solutions
to drive 12 o 24 volts and can match up with vic and 9xa 9xb etc

I put a possible diagram attached to start working on it

attached here and for people  want to  get hydrogen now  is a new cell option I have on my site
from Quantum  it has proven itself as way advanced on the electornics and 24 hrs running

Not meyer method but still very good and able to connect to the tech discuss here  straight up or after a certain rpm range
Pure H split gas. For injection trail, (this type would be a blending in with gasoline after certain rev range)  and also can cut lg in same method. It can raise cm number of diesels and advance applications of the circuit tech I am details in this thread. 
 
I have also put here the Pgen items from Germany also excellent

Te Cell shown in video below is shipping in 5 days. for business and fleet

we have this 24 volt unit  titanium  efficient which can get you result now and allow for solid foundation to advance other areas like air intake tuning and  piggy ecu trail and circuits  etc I am posting here as I want you to get excited and see the tech .
and connect the dots.

it is advancing FAST and this forum need to move on it and get organised

We have many parts developing and builders are  finally almost ready
and working out how to do business right now to get stock in for builder to be happy

We are all  open source and now saying start supporting and building more
 
WE are able to get all this on a vehicle for trails of   interfaces to ecu piggy backs the next stage ,

Hence my energies on the GMS thread.

we will sort the parts and great new below normal prices for  wholesale and builder to offer or rrp them selves
and support  pioneer replicators like max tony and others when they have thing to sell as their work is solid
Along with Ed who has a 11 cell ready and Others like fire pinto with the we some bobbins, emu, electro and sharky with the boards. they need  support to advance now. and I am sure we will see many products going into the for sale threads. A section for that.

key it is start and support builders and products as they start to go into the parts sections now.

PLan to buy product parts from them where you can apply
the knowledge in this thread now Products are getting real good.

I hope to see focused replys on this thread about GMS Circuit

doing builds circuits and designs.
circuit boards. to compliment applying these things as details at great length above




Further look at Max miller air intake  gas processor work with scr on you tube
as I think he has parts for it to start being built now by every one

We have advanced and I hope you read this many times It is all good will good industry and good vibes get on with it .
Share and spread the knowledge  Save the negative comments , as We know it is all about doing and what is ready
if not ready don't bother just make some thing ready!!!!!!!

and or ask for build help on circuits that is the purpose here BUILD

Dan

I will promote and raise knowledge of their gear
 for any builder who is ready

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Re: Stanley Meyers GMS Unit Reverse engineered
« Reply #31, on April 15th, 2014, 12:32 PM »Last edited on April 16th, 2014, 01:30 AM
 As this Thread is Now Holding alot of Advanced info I am Locking it.
To avoid it being bombed with comments.

If you have Focused circuits for this topic specifically and designs or question on a Board

Make a Thread Specifically for that Board or Design

If you have ideas for the sensor inputs or pickups from obd 11 or ecu from car sensors

email me and I will post here it here if relevant to advanced the thread 
The Forum is  very over down with misc threads and this one is very focused now.

THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED THREAD AS IT IS THE MAIN ENGINE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM

so it is hard work to keep it simple so locked I will be simplifying it further to get a result from the info in it


I hope Russ Finds time to move all threads other sprawling  random threads to a Misc Chatter titled zone
and starts a  FRESH "Stanley Meyer Hydrogen System & Parts "
Section which is focused and policed but moderators

so that is focused only on Stans Parts  how to build , obtain  and use each part or patent"
in a clear sectioned way , and not relevant comments can be moved out as time goes on for those build threads
to misc if not building and just chatter.

This is so new comes find the  info precise and have fast uptake to build.

So all chatter gets moved of them into misc if not relevant to the goal. 
So This thread is very clean mostly as no one did any work on it so Now work is done and I am
tuning this thread .

Thread is now locked from chatter 

Please Focus on applying the knowledge here and build new stuff please .

Change from  FUEL and Move to Hydrogen.

D

PS Thread will unlocked but not until we have some circuit advances
or precise advance info to add to it.

UNTIL THAN

SEE this thread     =" ECU for STANLEY MEYER TECH"