https://www.theothersideofmidnight.com/20190317-holeywater/

Quote from Timothy Saunders

Tonight on TOSOM we talk about one of the most abundant substances on Earth… Water – with particular focus on ‘Holey’ Water. There is amazing potential to be liberated from water conditioned with Micro Bubbles, Spherical and Toroid (Donut-shaped) Nano Bubbles…

Around 71% of the Earth’s surface is covered with water, about 96.5% of which lies in our Oceans, the rest exists in the Atmosphere, in Lakes, Rivers, Ice caps and Glaciers etc. – not to mention Raw water that lies deep underground.

But thats not all, while 90% of our body weight comes from water and our human bodies are on average composed of 50% – 65% water, our vital organs contain even higher percentages; our Brain and Heart contain 73% and our lungs contain 83% water.

It is clear that water has been key to our evolution and is fundamental to our very existence, it is therefore no surprise that most efforts to search for off-world life aim to pinpoint sources of water… ‘where there is water there is at least a chance for life.’

While scientists continue to extend our knowledge beyond basic Biology, Chemistry and Physics far afield in our Macrocosm – there is much being discovered right under our nose in our Microcosm which has yet to be brought in to the mainstream.

Fortunately there is a growing number of citizen scientists and specialists who are well on their way to better understand and condition water with Nano Bubbles to create seemingly new altered states that possess intriguing and powerful qualities – that may benefit us in the form of clean energy and potentially augment our health.

I am delighted to be joined by a pantheon of water innovators, I hope you will listen-in to the latest thinking about where this water technology lies today and where this knowledge may take us in the very near future.

https://www.talkstreamlive.com/program/richard_c_hoagland

http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/

http://h2-global.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDVYqdB9I0

http://www.inspiredwaters.com/

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Unfortunately, the show wasn't all that spectacular and I think you have to become a member to download the podcast.  I probably should have recorded it, but then there's a good chance of being dinged for copyright if I tried to distribute the audio files.  It's pretty clear to me these guys are either on-the-take or really have no interest in public disclosure.  For all I know it could be just another psyop.  Hard to say.  Everyone is trying to make-a-buck and pad-their-wallet.  Sad times.  I wouldn't have thought Moray King would associated himself with these types of folks, but hey, he's got to pay his bills too.

If anyone can find actual details of Walter Jenkins process, I'd be curious to take a look at it.  From what I can find on the net, he did a presentation at the 2017 Energy Science Conference (Aaron Murakami's gang).  I just find it really hard to believe from the research and lab experiments I did.  If Walter really has something, there's a good chance it involves some mysterious catalyst or exotic material that isn't readily available.  In this presentation he didn't mention anything like that.  In fact, he didn't mention any details a builder would need to get started.  I suppose we could dig around for some sort of patent.

Hi Matt, have you seen this?

http://www.rexresearch.com/jenkinwaterfuel/jenkins.html

This was what caught my eye, http://www.inspiredwaters.com/
If this water indeed is as oxygen packed as per advertisment, then I'd be all for trying it out and see if I can notice anything special happening regarding gaining a much stronger immune defence system.
As for fuel from water, well.........there's a dime a dozen of those..........besides, I think we already have those bases covered right here on this very forum.

Quote from Alberto on March 18th, 2019, 01:20 PM

Hi Matt, have you seen this?

http://www.rexresearch.com/jenkinwaterfuel/jenkins.html

Good deal Alberto.  I'll take a look.

Hmmmm...   Seems Mr. Jenkins uses primarily water fog.

I tried this idea using a pair of powerful pond foggers and my results were quite different.  What I saw was the fog stick and condense to all of the engine intake components.  Within just a few minutes turning the engine over, the crankcase oil quickly turned to cafe mocha.  Not good at all.  Again, if Walt is actually doing what he says he is, he's using some sort of exotic components, not off-the-shelf stuff we have access to.

I also used an extremely powerful plasma spark ignition system, but still no sign of the engine producing enough power to even run itself, let alone a scooter or gen-head.  At 30 Liters per minute of HHO, the engine would just barely attempt to run and power input was in excess of 2000 watts.

Sorry gang, I'm not convinced.  We'll just have to wait and see if H2 Global goes anywhere.  My guess is no one will ever purchase a system from these guys and show us a convincing demonstration.  Like many before him, he's playing to the investors and padding his bank account until the next big thing comes along.  I think Walt should go back to Hollywood where this behavior is not only tolerated, but expected.

Really I feel it is straight and clear make nano bubble water h2 saturated positive charged water fuel and than dry fog it using a variety of choice or means

This fuel can be made a variety of ways

Quote from securesupplies on March 20th, 2019, 12:17 AM

... make nano bubble water h2 saturated positive charged water fuel and than dry fog it using a variety of choice or means

Show me how to take humidity out of water Dan.  That I'd have to see.

Are you telling us Walt's engine runs on air?


BTW, I have a request in with Mr. King for assistance.   So far no answer (also as expected).

Quote from Matt Watts on March 17th, 2019, 09:29 PM

http://h2-global.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDVYqdB9I0

http://www.inspiredwaters.com/

lol  this is very old, i remeber the sexual tension between those 2

So Simple it hurts Brains

Well gang, I did get a reply from Moray and he will put me in contact with Walt.  From there we will see where things go.

Keep your fingers crossed this becomes a fruitful, cooperative endeavor.

And Dan, just sit back and watch for a while.  The answer will appear soon enough.  :blink2:

the answer is already known

Quote from securesupplies on March 21st, 2019, 01:42 AM

the answer is already known

Yeap.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2019, 01:08 PM

Yeap.

Matt  in that Video what is the blue device on trolley with knob ? inventor? variac? 
tips
We know it must be a dry fog to iginite he is doing that with bubbler sealed he has vacuum just right
 the water in the bubbler is positive charged not earthed.
it is possible that the engine is positive earthed also
we know he used  cavitation in the cell with holes in plates causes implosions
the charge state is important

what is blue thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8o4pvjid8

We don't "know", but we can be pretty darn certain, this video is a hoax.  Within the cell is some form of fuel:  benzene, alcohol, acetone, something.  It isn't running on water.  If it was running on water, adjusting the air-screw would have a completely different effect.  How do I know that?  Because I was there, I saw it.  Opening the air-screw with HHO tunes-down the engine; opening the air-screw with a combustible fuel tunes-up the engine.  A combustible fuel needs air to burn; HHO already has all the oxidizer it needs, adding air just pulls it farther away from the stoichiometric rate, reducing performance.  It's simple logic, but a person that hasn't experienced it first-hand wouldn't know that--I didn't when I started the genset conversion project, but I know what to look for now.  So you can scratch that video off your list and all those like it.  They're all bullsh1t.

And yes, the "blue thing" is a variac (adjustable transformer or autotransformer); I used one also with my setup to control the HHO production rate which was fully maxed out and pulling thousands of watts from the wall.  I was making lots of Hydroxy gas, but still not nearly enough to run a 300cc engine.  Why's that?  You said a magic word "implosion", exactly what you do not want to happen inside an ICE.  When HHO burns, it has an extremely rapid expansion and then contraction.  This contraction happens well before the end of the power stroke causing the piston to be sucked back towards the cylinder head.  Any power you made pushing the crankshaft during ignition is taken right back away and you can hear it.  I know exactly what it sounds like and I bet very few others do.  Why?  Because they never took the time and expense to find out for themselves and just believed all the BS posted on YouTube.  You can add all the water fog you want, it won't do a damn thing to help.  All it will do is gunk-up your lubrication.

Charge state...

The entire engine is conductive.  The moment the fuel mixture enters the intake manifold, it's "charge" is neutralized to the ground state of the engine.  Again, there is no way to get around that unless you can manufacture some sort of exotic PTFE liner that won't be destroyed within ten minutes of runtime.  This is way outside the garage researcher and could only be done by a Lockheed, Boeing or some other defense contractor that has the resources to do it.

There's no fancy holes in the cell plates causing cavitation.  I've done cavitation exactly as Mark LeClaire described.  I know what that looks like and what happens.  You don't want to go there, trust me.

Here's my take:

The producers of that video wanted the same thing I wanted.  They tried and tried for days and days, just like I did.  At some point they had committed to showing the engine running on water, but couldn't deliver.  So to save face, they poured a little combustible fuel in the cell and what-do-you-know, the engine started and ran for a while.  That was good enough to make a video and pretty difficult to prove whether or not it was fake.  The only way you could prove it one way or another was to empty the cell and analyze its contents which no one could do via YouTube.  Case closed.

The moral of this story is you can go on believing your lying eyes or find out for yourself and gain some knowledge and a lot of discernment.  I chose the later, as did Gary Hendershot, ZeroFossilFuel and many others.  We know what's real and what isn't.  I'm waiting to see if Walt Jenkins dares come across the aisle and show us the truth.  If he happens to find out about the work I've already done, there's no way on God's green earth he will talk to me.  Because he will know straight away he can't pull my chains, I've walked the line.  But hey, I'm still hopeful he knows something I could learn.  I'm just not holding my breath.

Point 1
We don't "know", but we can be pretty darn certain, this video is a hoax.  Within the cell is some form of fuel:  benzene, alcohol, acetone, something.  It isn't running on water.  If it was running on water, adjusting the air-screw would have a completely different effect.  How do I know that?  Because I was there, I saw it.  Opening the air-screw with HHO tunes-down the engine; opening the air-screw with a combustible fuel tunes-up the engine.  A combustible fuel needs air to burn; HHO already has all the oxidizer it needs, adding air just pulls it farther away from the stoichiometric rate, reducing performance.  It's simple logic, but a person that hasn't experienced it first-hand wouldn't know that--I didn't when I started the genset conversion project, but I know what to look for now.  So you can scratch that video off your list and all those like it.  They're all bullsh1t.

I think he is adjusting the vacuum to cell he is doing a manual vacuum modulator job or a pcv valves job  , some thing that can be found at any wrecking yard  it is a very import thing to keep that vacuum under control it is not about air mix as he has o2 in the gas he is making it is about avoiding over vacuuming the cell or bubbler.

Point 2

And yes, the "blue thing" is a variac (adjustable transformer or autotransformer); I used one also with my setup to control the HHO production rate which was fully maxed out and pulling thousands of watts from the wall.    OK for those ready stan used a Rotary inverter on first buggy versions.


Point 3
I was making lots of Hydroxy gas, but still not nearly enough to run a 300cc engine.  Why's that?  You said a magic word "implosion", exactly what you do not want to happen inside an ICE.  When HHO burns, it has an extremely rapid expansion and then contraction.  This contraction happens well before the end of the power stroke causing the piston to be sucked back towards the cylinder head.  Any power you made pushing the crankshaft during ignition is taken right back away and you can hear it.  I know exactly what it sounds like and I bet very few others do.  Why?  Because they never took the time and expense to find out for themselves and just believed all the BS posted on YouTube.  You can add all the water fog you want, it won't do a damn thing to help.  All it will do is gunk-up your lubrication.

Very Interesting and Valid point, but this was with a certain charge of block gas and air.

a)There have been many discussion about
restricting ambient air negative charges to create explosive rather than implosive.  Such builders discovering this have bliocked air way 99%
as they do in video.

B) After A please also note I say A
Even before we talk about removing electrons or making block or surface positive earthed or charged to suck out electrons and keep gas + charged and explosive.

point 4

There's no fancy holes in the cell plates causing cavitation.  I've done cavitation exactly as Mark LeClaire described.   
Moray States Anton has Holes in plates to cause cavitation he states that in over 5 presentations so I go by Moray Statements on perforated cells causing  resonant cavitation. Just was I heard from Moray.

Point 5

The producers of that video wanted the same thing I wanted.  They tried and tried for days and days, just like I did.  At some point they had committed to showing the engine running on water, but couldn't deliver.  So to save face, they poured a little combustible fuel in the cell and what-do-you-know, the engine started and ran for a while.  That was good enough to make a video and pretty difficult to prove whether or not it was fake.  The only way you could prove it one way or another was to empty the cell and analyze its contents which no one could do via YouTube.  Case closed.

Water is Fuel , we are the monkeys that must learn the methods, could they fake it yes, did they I say no.
just what I think and believe every one for their own mind.

Point 6

The moral of this story is you can go on believing your lying eyes or find out for yourself and gain some knowledge and a lot of discernment. 
I chose the later, as did Gary Hendershot, ZeroFossilFuel and many others.  We know what's real and what isn't.  I'm waiting to see if Walt Jenkins dares come across the aisle and show us the truth.  If he happens to find out about the work I've already done, there's no way on God's green earth he will talk to me.  Because he will know straight away he can't pull my chains, I've walked the line.  But hey, I'm still hopeful he knows something I could learn.  I'm just not holding my breath.

A Different Take on the Moral of the Story is we know the following

1 Positive Earth engine will remove electrons and reverse the implosion
2 We know that stopping ambient air grounding gas will reverse the implosion
3 We know that cavitation implosion resonating water will make nano bubbles and saturate water with h2 and o2 in a suspension that can last for over 2 years as long as we do not earth the water or add make electrons by force.
4 We know Micro Cluster of Nano bubbles can be made and stay in water at room temperature even with out 3 if charges are managed.
5 If he has D2 Nano Water in Bubbler that is positive charged the gas coming out is very powerful and explosive not implosive

6 Not using a Electrolyte will also avoid ground gas and water allowing charge and positive charged to build in the right direction.

7 There is a chance he cheated yes my bet if he did it was used Boric Acid often a food additive Merricks gas  to make More powerful gas with nitrogen in it. but personally I think he just understands charges better.

I mention this from a Positive Point of view there is no argument or bitterness in my comments I just state what I know and see. for readers. .

I simply see it differently on this occasion ,
 I am working on engines and I have a lot of  valid discussion points for readers to look at in their on going study

Check Ohmasa Gas Japan
Check Joe cell Joe Advising about charged water cell and fuel lines and what have with + and -  gas flows as charge builds
Check Stanley Meyers
Check Herman Anderson.

The more you look with this knowledge in back of mind the more you will see why people fail,
if you take away bubbler and electrolytes /salts your alot closer to keeping gas explosive.
 

v

Thanks for answering on the blue thing

Remember
if you try to light a wet a match it will not light
if try to rub a dry match with your finger it will not light

it is only once you are shown the simple method to strike it that it lights
and once you see and practice that method Than you can lite the whole dam box.
and Fire is Power.

Dan

Quote from securesupplies on March 22nd, 2019, 05:05 AM

 I am working on engines and I have a lot of  valid discussion points for readers to look at in their on going study

I welcome you to try your hand at it.  Get dirty and see for yourself.  The bench is really the only place to know for sure.  What you see there should override anything you see on YouTube or in any documents you might have laying on your desk.  Again, modifying a little 100cc Honda generator would be an ideal start.  If you can loop that using only water, then it's time to document thoroughly and present what you did and how you did it.  At that point give the rest of us time to replicate and if we get stuck, provide assistance.  I'd like to see no less than four of these modified gensets running.  Maybe even make a compiled YouTube video showing all of them, purring like a kitten.  I can guarantee Russ will make one, I will make one and surely there's a couple more on this forum that will do the same.  From there, the sky is the limit.  Let's do this Dan, you take the lead.

If there's one thing you should know by now on this forum, it's:  You can't tell people stuff, you have to show them.  Take what you know and embed that knowledge in a real device people can see.  You do that and you'll get more support than you know what to do with.