Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 11:24 AM

One thing to ponder Lynx is the discovery of new dimensions and fields. We know about the four dimensions used by ourselves in our every day life, X,Y,Z and T. Our simple understanding is that to move through three dimensional space it takes time. What if there is a dimension where distances are diminished in such a way that you can pass through wormholes or fold space back onto itself? The question is, are we smart enough to do it?

Which is EXACTLY what this thread is all about, to see if we can use our ape-man brains to think abstractly enough to atleast put together a, however fantasy stricken, thought pattern, which is non invasive, easy to follow in it's "logic" using our intuition, portrayed in quite the novel way using what we already know from electrics/electronics/physics, just to see how big of an imagination we have regarding, in this case, our ability to imagine building such a star treking spaceship.

Let's just call it a wormhole generator then as I think everyone who reads this will understand what it's all about, like how it could come to serve as a "shortcut" for us, enabling us to travel from here to the stars, in no time at all.

In my thoughts you would need a super heavy element that creates such a gravitational force that it can warp local space time. You've heard of gravitational lensing where light appear bent around a massive gravitational force? Well my device and its effect would be called space time lensing. Where space time is bent by an exaggerated  force of gravity. Have you ever seen the picture with Peter Ustinov and the rubber sheet depicting gravity warping space? Well my device would have an exaggerated mass and gravitational force, reflecting that of the sun. How can you achieve this? You tell lies to the surrounding space time, you tell it very elaborate lies and that space time thinks you have the mass of the sun when you don't. A gravity exaggerator Lynx.

At least we can alter time, surely we all saw how.



Reverse time and you reverse gravity.   :thumbsup2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnOjMpNm9i8

Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 10:00 AM

Are they all liars or is there something in it?

If they're military or government, they're likely using a cover for some x-craft they're developing. They did the same for the U-2.

Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 10:00 AM

The most interesting interviews I found were the one's involving an alien by the name of the J-Rod which several high ranking military personnel claim to have met and held conversations with.

That's Dan Crain's (aka Dan Crane, aka Dan Burisch, aka Dan Catselas) story, and it's utterly debunked. "J-Rod" was actually the work of FXMasters.com, a special effects shop.

Dan Crain is not a "microbiologist"... he was a casino security guard and parole officer during the same time he was claiming to have discovered the wholly fabricated "Ganesh particle", and during the time he was supposedly working at Area 51.

You'll note he never put any of that stuff on his resume:

...except for a bit of fluff about getting an honoris causa (which he misspelled) degree in cellular biology from a nonexistent institute... had the institute actually existed, they wouldn't have awarded him an honoris causa degree, which is bestowed upon someone for their years of work and accomplishment in a particular field. And him being a parole officer from 1988 to 1990 just isn't going to cut it for an honoris causa degree in cellular biology.

Nevada has a licensing requirement for microbiologists... you can check for yourself that he's lying. He has no license, under any of his aliases.

I suppose you lend credence to Esoteric Hitlerism, as well. :roll:

Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 10:00 AM

http://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/atacama-humanoid/

Not "humanoid", "human". Ata's DNA was Chilean. Ata was born in a nitrate mining town (now abandoned). Nitrates are strongly linked to birth defects.

You need to learn to look at everything with a skeptical eye and vet every claim, Nav. Of course, you can't do very much of that without mathematics.

Hey Lynx

You are looking for input ideas, How about super conductivity? To me the magnet is countering gravity so can we say anti-gravity ?

There is also this.

Quantum Levitation   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U

Now if we put some brain power to it might we some day find a away to use something like this to meet the goal? :)

I understand it is very cold in Outer Space so part of the problem is a little bit solved and the Earth has a magnetic field so that’s #2 in helping solve the problem.

Also launch vehicle from north or south pole may help. :D

Just some things to think about.

Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 12:48 PM

In my thoughts you would need a super heavy element that creates such a gravitational force that it can warp local space time. You've heard of gravitational lensing where light appear bent around a massive gravitational force? Well my device and its effect would be called space time lensing. Where space time is bent by an exaggerated  force of gravity. Have you ever seen the picture with Peter Ustinov and the rubber sheet depicting gravity warping space? Well my device would have an exaggerated mass and gravitational force, reflecting that of the sun. How can you achieve this? You tell lies to the surrounding space time, you tell it very elaborate lies and that space time thinks you have the mass of the sun when you don't. A gravity exaggerator Lynx.

And then you'd have a gigantic mass to accelerate and decelerate, costing you huge amounts of energy. If you have the weight of our sun, you're going to accelerate and decelerate as slowly as our sun would under any given impulse force.

One cannot "lie" to the universe, Nav, nor does space-time "think", your sentient universe blather notwithstanding.

Why use mass to warp space-time when energy will do the same without the concomitant weight?

No, you want to increase energy levels such that the electromagnetic and weak fundamental forces become symmetric (phase change into the electroweak force). This brings back the H¹, H² and H³ Higgs bosons (which at our energy levels underwent quantum mixing via the Higgs mechanism to lend mass to the W⁺, W^- and Z⁰ bosons) that existed in the earliest moments of the universe.

Then you generate Higgs bosons in a collider. Since you've got the H⁰, H¹, H² and H³ Higgs bosons available, you'll be generating doublets via pair production.

Then you want to minimize their quantum vacuum coupling (in a well-shielded Casimir cavity) to slow their spontaneous decay rate, and devise some slow flavor-exchange interaction that violates CP (charge and parity symmetry) such that an asymmetry between the Higgs doublets is created.

My prior idea of forcing a Lorentz transformation, which force the tachyonic Higgs to act on all tensor fields (including the observer's time-like vector field) would slow time in the frame of the spacecraft.

The asymmetry between the Higgs doublet scalars will, when the Higgs undergo decay, translate into a daughter baryon asymmetry.

Then you lower the energy levels to allow the electroweak force to symmetry break back into the weak and electromagnetic force.

The baryonic asymmetry mentioned above would generate a matter-antimatter asymmetry, (this would normally cause dark matter to be manifested from the quantum vacuum to 'balance the equation', but since we've lowered energy levels, only dark energy will manifest... energy levels aren't high enough to manifest dark matter). This mechanism (with dark matter production due to higher universal energy levels) occurring early in the evolution of the universe is postulated to be the reason the universe had about a billionth of its energy converted into invariant mass matter, and the reason dark matter exists.

You let the matter and anti-matter annihilate to generate conventional thrust, and the dark energy provides you a bit of space-time expansion behind your craft, generating that 'wave crest' of space-time upon which your craft is carried.

In effect, you're mimicking the first perceivable moments of the universe to propel your craft.

That'll get you that much closer to c... but you'll still never exceed it, not with a spacecraft made of invariant-mass matter and crewed by invariant-mass matter people, anyway.

Where to get the tremendous amount of energy to make this work? Harvest it via active antennas... those antennas would be mounted at the front of the spacecraft, and their electromagnetic 'footprint' would extend out far ahead of the craft, absorbing energy and thus creating a lower field radiation pressure 'vacuum' ahead of the craft. Thus you've got dark energy and matter/antimatter annihilation pushing the craft and active antennas creating a lower field radiation pressure region ahead of the craft.

Of course, we have the technology right now to only do the above on a small scale... we can design and use active antennas, we can increase energy levels to cause the weak and EM to phase change into the electroweak, we can generate Higgs bosons in a collider, we can cause a Lorentz transformation, we can cause a CP violating flavor-exchange interaction, we can design Casimir cavities... we can't do it on a scale that would push a spacecraft, but it's doable.

Quote from PeakPositive on July 24th, 2018, 05:22 PM

Hey Lynx

You are looking for input ideas, How about super conductivity? To me the magnet is countering gravity so can we say anti-gravity ?

There is also this.

Quantum Levitation   

Now if we put some brain power to it might we some day find a away to use something like this to meet the goal? :)

I understand it is very cold in Outer Space so part of the problem is a little bit solved and the Earth has a magnetic field so that’s #2 in helping solve the problem.

Also launch vehicle from north or south pole may help. :D

Just some things to think about.

Oh yes, super conductivity would also be on the list, many thanks :thumbsup:
It's interesting though, to me it begs the question of what would happen using the same superconducting setup in "empty" space, then what would happen?
Which, if any, interesting anomalies would you then see?

Also, to further spin on that question, what really is "empty" space anyway?
It can't really be "nothing" as that would be quite an enormous chunk of nothingness floating around there being "nothing at all" 24/7/365, while at the same time being hilariously enormous in it's size..........there's a clash there somewhere :thinking:

Anyway, thanks for the reminder :-)

Quote from Cycle on July 24th, 2018, 05:49 PM

And then you'd have a gigantic mass to accelerate and decelerate, costing you huge amounts of energy. If you have the weight of our sun, you're going to accelerate and decelerate as slowly as our sun would under any given impulse force.

One cannot "lie" to the universe, Nav, nor does space-time "think", your sentient universe blather notwithstanding.

Why use mass to warp space-time when energy will do the same without the concomitant weight?

No, you want to increase energy levels such that the electromagnetic and weak fundamental forces become symmetric (phase change into the electroweak force). This brings back the H¹, H² and H³ Higgs bosons (which at our energy levels underwent quantum mixing via the Higgs mechanism to lend mass to the W⁺, W^- and Z⁰ bosons) that existed in the earliest moments of the universe.

Then you generate Higgs bosons in a collider. Since you've got the H⁰, H¹, H² and H³ Higgs bosons available, you'll be generating doublets via pair production.

Then you want to minimize their quantum vacuum coupling (in a well-shielded Casimir cavity) to slow their spontaneous decay rate, and devise some slow flavor-exchange interaction that violates CP (charge and parity symmetry) such that an asymmetry between the Higgs doublets is created.

My prior idea of forcing a Lorentz transformation, which force the tachyonic Higgs to act on all tensor fields (including the observer's time-like vector field) would slow time in the frame of the spacecraft.

The asymmetry between the Higgs doublet scalars will, when the Higgs undergo decay, translate into a daughter baryon asymmetry.

Then you lower the energy levels to allow the electroweak force to symmetry break back into the weak and electromagnetic force.

The baryonic asymmetry mentioned above would generate a matter-antimatter asymmetry, (this would normally cause dark matter to be manifested from the quantum vacuum to 'balance the equation', but since we've lowered energy levels, only dark energy will manifest... energy levels aren't high enough to manifest dark matter). This mechanism (with dark matter production due to higher universal energy levels) occurring early in the evolution of the universe is postulated to be the reason the universe had about a billionth of its energy converted into invariant mass matter, and the reason dark matter exists.

You let the matter and anti-matter annihilate to generate conventional thrust, and the dark energy provides you a bit of space-time expansion behind your craft, generating that 'wave crest' of space-time upon which your craft is carried.

In effect, you're mimicking the first perceivable moments of the universe to propel your craft.

That'll get you that much closer to c... but you'll still never exceed it, not with a spacecraft made of invariant-mass matter and crewed by invariant-mass matter people, anyway.

Where to get the tremendous amount of energy to make this work? Harvest it via active antennas... those antennas would be mounted at the front of the spacecraft, and their electromagnetic 'footprint' would extend out far ahead of the craft, absorbing energy and thus creating a lower field radiation pressure 'vacuum' ahead of the craft. Thus you've got dark energy and matter/antimatter annihilation pushing the craft and active antennas creating a lower field radiation pressure region ahead of the craft.

Of course, we have the technology right now to only do the above on a small scale... we can design and use active antennas, we can increase energy levels to cause the weak and EM to phase change into the electroweak, we can generate Higgs bosons in a collider, we can cause a Lorentz transformation, we can cause a CP violating flavor-exchange interaction, we can design Casimir cavities... we can't do it on a scale that would push a spacecraft, but it's doable.

Interesting, thanks for sharing :-)

Quote from nav on July 24th, 2018, 12:48 PM

In my thoughts you would need a super heavy element that creates such a gravitational force that it can warp local space time. You've heard of gravitational lensing where light appear bent around a massive gravitational force? Well my device and its effect would be called space time lensing. Where space time is bent by an exaggerated  force of gravity. Have you ever seen the picture with Peter Ustinov and the rubber sheet depicting gravity warping space? Well my device would have an exaggerated mass and gravitational force, reflecting that of the sun. How can you achieve this? You tell lies to the surrounding space time, you tell it very elaborate lies and that space time thinks you have the mass of the sun when you don't. A gravity exaggerator Lynx.

Good to see we're in the same ballpark here.
Conventional methods will lead to humanitys demise.
Penguins.
The box needs to be smashed to pieces.

Quote from Cycle on July 24th, 2018, 04:21 PM

If they're military or government, they're likely using a cover for some x-craft they're developing. They did the same for the U-2.

That's Dan Crain's (aka Dan Crane, aka Dan Burisch, aka Dan Catselas) story, and it's utterly debunked. "J-Rod" was actually the work of FXMasters.com, a special effects shop.

Dan Crain is not a "microbiologist"... he was a casino security guard and parole officer during the same time he was claiming to have discovered the wholly fabricated "Ganesh particle", and during the time he was supposedly working at Area 51.

You'll note he never put any of that stuff on his resume:

...except for a bit of fluff about getting an honoris causa (which he misspelled) degree in cellular biology from a nonexistent institute... had the institute actually existed, they wouldn't have awarded him an honoris causa degree, which is bestowed upon someone for their years of work and accomplishment in a particular field. And him being a parole officer from 1988 to 1990 just isn't going to cut it for an honoris causa degree in cellular biology.

Nevada has a licensing requirement for microbiologists... you can check for yourself that he's lying. He has no license, under any of his aliases.

I suppose you lend credence to Esoteric Hitlerism, as well. :roll:

Not "humanoid", "human". Ata's DNA was Chilean. Ata was born in a nitrate mining town (now abandoned). Nitrates are strongly linked to birth defects.

You need to learn to look at everything with a skeptical eye and vet every claim, Nav. Of course, you can't do very much of that without mathematics.

You don't read posts properly, I never said any of it was real, I said I sit on the fence.

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And then you'd have a gigantic mass to accelerate and decelerate, costing you huge amounts of energy. If you have the weight of our sun, you're going to accelerate and decelerate as slowly as our sun would under any given impulse force.

One cannot "lie" to the universe, Nav, nor does space-time "think", your sentient universe blather notwithstanding.

Lynx asked the forum to come up with ideas regardless of how far fetched they are or realistic/unrealistic. I proposed my own idea and right away your on my back waffling on about math.
Cycle, you prefer mathematics as your solution, I don't because i'm not a mathematician and don't intend to be either, therefore my ideas are based on science fiction or dimensions that may or may not exist.
Lynx, if we're gonna continue with this you gotta stop this guy from giving everyone a math lesson and belittling every suggestion anyone comes up with.
Just about had enough of this guy.

Cycle, you've claimed that your chosen field is math, you made this clear several posts back. Recently Bob Lazar was mentioned along with Dan Burisch and you've claimed they are both frauds which is quite understandable because both men have dodgy credentials and if this were a court of law affair and you were the barrister in a case the people vs Lazar and Burisch then you'd win hands down, there is no doubting that. I just want to ask you the question why you'd be in the slightest bit interested in these two men when you are clearly well educated and versed in math? I find that most people educated to your level tend to be purists and don't often wonder into other fields.
My other question is this: We've mentioned Lazar and Burisch which were not good examples really but what about the others with really good credentials whom Dr Steven Greer has interviewed regarding their experiences with either aliens or UFO's? What are your thoughts on Dr Greer and Sirius disclosure?

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 08:25 AM

Lynx asked the forum to come up with ideas regardless of how far fetched they are or realistic/unrealistic. I proposed my own idea and right away your on my back waffling on about math.
Cycle, you prefer mathematics as your solution, I don't because i'm not a mathematician and don't intend to be either, therefore my ideas are based on science fiction or dimensions that may or may not exist.
Lynx, if we're gonna continue with this you gotta stop this guy from giving everyone a math lesson and belittling every suggestion anyone comes up with.
Just about had enough of this guy.

I've decided not to police this thread as it's kinda important tbh, so unless I see something too obnoxious I'll let it slide, for the time being anyway.
Besides, I've asked Cycle to come up with what he could imagine being "outside the box" and, as I understand it anyway, there's no way to reach the stars in no time at all using conventional methods in whatever fields of physics there may be that which today are known to mankind.
So Cycle has, in a way, sort of speaking, managed to more or less confirm that the box is quite sturdy and won't budge however easily one would like for it to, atleast not using conventional methods anyway.
And as that's what Cycle is all for anyway, I.E to use known laws of physics, together with it's math, then I'm just as grateful for his input here aswell, if nothing else to get confirmation of the limits his field of expertise has to show for with regards to the very topic of this very thread.

Quote from Lynx on July 25th, 2018, 12:28 PM

I've decided not to police this thread as it's kinda important tbh, so unless I see something too obnoxious I'll let it slide, for the time being anyway.
Besides, I've asked Cycle to come up with what he could imagine being "outside the box" and, as I understand it anyway, there's no way to reach the stars in no time at all using conventional methods in whatever fields of physics there may be that which today are known to mankind.
So Cycle has, in a way, sort of speaking, managed to more or less confirm that the box is quite sturdy and won't budge however easily one would like for it to, atleast not using conventional methods anyway.
And as that's what Cycle is all for anyway, I.E to use known laws of physics, together with it's math, then I'm just as grateful for his input here aswell, if nothing else to get confirmation of the limits his field of expertise has to show for with regards to the very topic of this very thread.

His input is fine, it's when he's saying everyone else's input isn't and belittling it. We didn't invent the wheel with a calculator, we didn't invent light bulbs, transformers, motorcars, steam engines, jet engines, rocket engines, radio transmissions and wired transmission with calculators either, we invented them with innovation, inventive thinking and hands on experimentation to see what works and what doesn't then measure cause and effect once we see a phenomenon taking place.
That's what I thought this forum was about, i've watched Russ for 10 years being hands on as well as everyone being hands on, seeing what works and what doesn't. If the forum is turning into 'nothing can work' or 'conventional thinking only' or 'no one think out of the box please or Cycle will chastise you' then what's the point?
We've been told all our lives that there is no alternative energy sources, coming here was an escape from that and to learn from each other what can be achieved and what can't.
Now, the emphasis is 'straight down the line'?
Disappointed to say the least. I was going to input some ideas but if i'm going to be told off by the forum math teacher then it's kinda pointless.

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 12:57 PM

His input is fine, it's when he's saying everyone else's input isn't and belittling it. We didn't invent the wheel with a calculator, we didn't invent light bulbs, transformers, motorcars, steam engines, jet engines, rocket engines, radio transmissions and wired transmission with calculators either, we invented them with innovation, inventive thinking and hands on experimentation to see what works and what doesn't then measure cause and effect once we see a phenomenon taking place.
That's what I thought this forum was about, i've watched Russ for 10 years being hands on as well as everyone being hands on, seeing what works and what doesn't. If the forum is turning into 'nothing can work' or 'conventional thinking only' or 'no one think out of the box please or Cycle will chastise you' then what's the point?
We've been told all our lives that there is no alternative energy sources, coming here was an escape from that and to learn from each other what can be achieved and what can't.
Now, the emphasis is 'straight down the line'?
Disappointed to say the least. I was going to input some ideas but if i'm going to be told off by the forum math teacher then it's kinda pointless.

Well that's just sad if that's what's going on, maybe I'm turning too much of a blind eye given that I'm all for everyone's input and tend to read through the lines a bit here.

I'll try to scrutinize the posts a little more then from now on.

And yes, this forum is very much all for new innovative ideas and so on, things which haven't seen the light of the day just yet.
This very thread asks very much for outside the box ideas and concepts on the highly spectacular concept of reaching the stars in no time at all, so of course I look forward to take part of every outside the box idea anyone is willing to share, but I can at the same time see that, as there's really no proof of concept for any such "yet unconfirmed to be working" concept or idea, that those willing to debunk said ideas using conventional methods isn't really helping matters at all while they're at the same time in a way confirming that the known conventional physics and math that may be perhaps needs some additional input to help explain such out of box ideas and concepts then, as opposed to be used to confirm that known physics and math still leaves a few things to wish for with regards to being able to, shall we say, expand the box a little.

That said, from now on I'll look forward to see only support on ideas and concepts that everyone shares in here, as opposed to seeing attempts to debunking these things using whatever science and/or math there may be, conventional or not.

I want the gist of this very thread to be "always move forward, never look back".

Quote from Lynx on July 25th, 2018, 01:46 PM

Well that's just sad if that's what's going on, maybe I'm turning too much of a blind eye given that I'm all for everyone's input and tend to read through the lines a bit here.

I'll try to scrutinize the posts a little more then from now on.

And yes, this forum is very much all for new innovative ideas and so on, things which haven't seen the light of the day just yet.
This very thread asks very much for outside the box ideas and concepts on the highly spectacular concept of reaching the stars in no time at all, so of course I look forward to take part of every outside the box idea anyone is willing to share, but I can at the same time see that, as there's really no proof of concept for any such "yet unconfirmed to be working" concept or idea, that those willing to debunk said ideas using conventional methods isn't really helping matters at all while they're at the same time in a way confirming that the known conventional physics and math that may be perhaps needs some additional input to help explain such out of box ideas and concepts then, as opposed to be used to confirm that known physics and math still leaves a few things to wish for with regards to being able to, shall we say, expand the box a little.

That said, from now on I'll look forward to see only support on ideas and concepts that everyone shares in here, as opposed to seeing attempts to debunking these things using whatever science and/or math there may be, conventional or not.

I want the gist of this very thread to be "always move forward, never look back".

I'm not saying that Cycle's idea's are invalid or anyone's idea but neither should he invalidate mine or anyone else's for that matter. An idea is just an idea at the end of the day, doesn't matter if the technicalities are amiss, it's just a proposal.
These are hypothetical at the end of the day but to have someone come along and say 'no' the math don't fit isn't in the spirit of this exercise Lynx. When people were inventing some of the most important things of the past 200 years do you think they had someone on their back every pair of plates saying 'no, the math doesn't fit'? 'you'll have to scrap it'?
You want to travel to the stars don't you? Who are the people telling us we can't travel to the stars? Mainstream science - that's who. Matt Watts said the other day 'sorry Cycle but you've accepted your fate and are trapped by your own limitations' or something to that effect and he's right. Is that what we really want for ourselves to be trapped by limitations drilled into us? To be lectured and ridiculed by the mainstream science into a corner that we can't get out of?
Because i'll tell you something about people like Cycle, once you let him convince you there's no way out, he'll be into every thread and everyone's business telling them 'it can't be done'. He said his subject was math and majored in it but now he's taken to being a psychological analyst that can determine that Robert Lazar is a liar. We don't know the whole truth behind Lazar, Governments also tell lies so it's hard to know. The best thing to do is sit on the fence and be neutral which is the sensible option, if things develop later on at least you havn't committed to either believing him or not. Cycle's straight down the line, you can't travel through space because we already know everything there is to know about science, there are no aliens, there are no UFO's, there are no alternative sources of energy, there is nothing apart from known science.
I smell Government or Government influenced narratives at work here, oppression, ridiculing ideas and all the rest of it. Time for me to leave the forum and set up elsewhere. Been a blast guys but ain't got time for this kind of narrative, it goes against my grain and what I came here for.

I'm sorry to hear you say this Nav, I was hoping for more of your input on the subject here as it's time to move past what conventional science, physics and math has to show for as all these practices really don't have much to offer worth considering in this particular case.
And yes, governments, Big Time Inc, etc etc, aren't interested in seeing forums and threads like this one as it very much threatens status quo, which is why this is so so so very important.
Money talks, BS walks.
This is what will destroy humanity in the end.
Just follow the money, the same old deity.
I really don't know what else to say Nav.
Except I wish you'd reconsider staying.
Show that you're the better man, able to move beyond what's thrown at you.
And yes, conventional methods will never get us anywhere.
Only that which is found outside the box, be it either through deliberate experimenting, accidents (yes, accidents have actually shown to be quite helping at times), or shere fantasy will ever stand a chance to get us moving things forward, just like in the good old days.
I'm hoping for it to be helping us even now in our time, in our days.
We all need it.
Even the powers that be needs it, believe it or not, so they get to open their eyes and realize what's important and not.
Like for example that greed is quite detrimental to it's nature and only serves it's own purpose, disregarding everything else, even if it kills the very ones practicing the art of insane greedy business as usual in the end.
Then who will be able to say "look at me, I'm filthy rich!!!" when there's nobody else around to witness such spectacular madness.
That way greed is just like cancer.
And it spreads like cancer too.
I'm hoping we could be the ones cutting away such malignant tumors from this small planet.
We need it, so does this planet of ours.

Quote from Lynx on July 25th, 2018, 03:10 PM

I'm sorry to hear you say this Nav, I was hoping for more of your input on the subject here as it's time to move past what conventional science, physics and math has to show for as all these practices really don't have much to offer worth considering in this particular case.
And yes, governments, Big Time Inc, etc etc, aren't interested in seeing forums and threads like this one as it very much threatens status quo, which is why this is so so so very important.
Money talks, BS walks.
This is what will destroy humanity in the end.
Just follow the money, the same old deity.
I really don't know what else to say Nav.
Except I wish you'd reconsider staying.
Show that you're the better man, able to move beyond what's thrown at you.
And yes, conventional methods will never get us anywhere.
Only that which is found outside the box, be it either through deliberate experimenting, accidents (yes, accidents have actually shown to be quite helping at times), or shere fantasy will ever stand a chance to get us moving things forward, just like in the good old days.
I'm hoping for it to be helping us even now in our time, in our days.
We all need it.
Even the powers that be needs it, believe it or not, so they get to open their eyes and realize what's important and not.
Like for example that greed is quite detrimental to it's nature and only serves it's own purpose, disregarding everything else, even if it kills the very ones practicing the art of insane greedy business as usual in the end.
Then who will be able to say "look at me, I'm filthy rich!!!" when there's nobody else around to witness such spectacular madness.
That way greed is just like cancer.
And it spreads like cancer too.
I'm hoping we could be the ones cutting away such malignant tumors from this small planet.
We need it, so does this planet of ours.

In order for humanity to progress we must all have the same goals and dreams, be united so that we can face the challenges that lie ahead. It is hard enough as it is to encourage smart young people to get involved in this kind of work. The Universities and colleges are funded by the industrial machine, there is no funding in those institutions for alternative energy sources AND ideas for traveling among the stars. The reasons you explained are to blame, greed and power being the main two. Sites like this are important because without them we have very little hope in providing a better future for our offspring.
If you join a site like this you expect everyone to be on the same wavelength as myself which by and large most are, most are hands on, trying new ideas every day, hell most of us have been electrocuted at least half a dozen times from HT lol. we've all had components blow up, trashed coils, destroyed circuitry but it's like you say, you don't know till you've played with stuff and sometimes you discover 5hit that way like you say. Unfortunately. it only takes one rotten apple to wreck the barrel. Judging by what has been said in this thread over the past 10 days do you honestly think that someone who suffers with poor confidence is going to come up with an idea in this thread? He might be a God damn genius and come up with one of the most fantastic ideas ever heard of but do you think he's going to vent that idea and be subject to a barrage of no no's from Cycle who'll try and ridicule him into next week because it doesn't 'fit' into Cycle's math?
Once you start down this road there is no turning back my friend, once you start with the oppression, the ridicule, the accepted narrative only, then you'd have more chance of anyone coming forward with a brilliant idea than seeing Moses walking down Broadway in his moms underwear.
It's just not worth the pain you'd get from this guy in return. We are better men than him, i've never seen any hands on work from him, I don't even know what he's doing here apart from spreading official narratives on absolutely everything which makes me think he's Government influenced. It takes a long time for a forum to build up credibility and for it to attract the right people, this is not how to attract the right people. it's the opposite and how you keep them away. We are all human, we make mistakes, we all get things wrong, we start again and hopefully we learn and progress but this guy for me personally doesn't fall into those categories and it goes against my better nature to be on a forum with him, things are only getting worse between us and becoming disruptive so that's it i'm afraid but just for future reference - don't say I didn't warn you.

And another thing, before you get chance to explain your idea, he's already pulled it to bits, trashed it, discredited it and convinced everyone it's not going to work. It won't be long before he's in my HHO threads and doing the same, i'm not going to give him the chance so as far as i'm concerned he can go f*ck himself.
I hope those that have worked hard on the HHO stuff get some success, they deserve it with the work that's gone in, i've learned lots form some great guys on here over the years, good luck all and take care.
Time to move on but my work will continue and i'll probably get electrocuted again. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh I hear you Nav and I agree with your sentiment here, I hope you believe that.
Maybe it's actually time to revamp forum rules a bit.
You're savvy in a variety of ways and I really wish you could stick around, you're a most valued member here.
I'm gonna talk to my fellow forum staff and throw a few ideas around with them.
Meanwhile I'll adress and uphold a new forum policy of preventing detrimental behaviour aimed at opressing, belittling and working against outside the box ideas as that's quite an important aspect of, well, any such attempt to move humanity forward.
And with outside the box ideas I mean like for instance this very thread, all the Meyer/Puharich/Papp/etc builds and threads, and the likes.
Theorizing about earth being flat or "they" didn't go to the moon doesn't constitute out of the box ideas, not on this forum anyway.
Regardless, I and I alone will uphold these new unwritten forum rules until they will become official.
How does that sound?
That way I will for the time being take it upon myself to do my very best to preserve openness and willingness to post here, or in the rest of the forum, for the sake of open source ideas, etc.
Maybe it's imperative for not only the forum itself, but also for humanity as a whole.
I've got to believe that it is anyway, I really don't see any other way to, as you say, get people to have their say on new outside the box ideas without being afraid of facing ridicule and the likes from those who, regardless of reason, feels that it's their duty to somehow adress and challenge such ideas using conventional methods and theories, as it, I guess you could say, would be a contradiction in terms anyway sort of speaking as these new ideas full well at the end of the day could be proven to be working according to plan and thus giving a whole new set of "rules" to be invoked in the conventional plethora of rules that already exists high and low in the "established" world of science.
To be continued.

I'm not sticking around for another barrage from him, i'm signing out and that will be it. See, I wasn't bothered about him attacking my Quantum beliefs, he has a right to challenge those because its theoretical anyway, it was when I presented the Lazar stuff which I said i'd sit on the fence with as far as believing it and then I gave you an idea for space flight, he continued the arguments through that too which makes me think he's gonna follow me and do it all over the forum. I'm not doing that and i'm not going to sit here and watch him do it to another person who's ideas don't fit his agenda. Thanks anyway but tata.

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 08:25 AM

Lynx asked the forum to come up with ideas regardless of how far fetched they are or realistic/unrealistic. I proposed my own idea and right away your on my back waffling on about math.
Cycle, you prefer mathematics as your solution, I don't because i'm not a mathematician and don't intend to be either, therefore my ideas are based on science fiction or dimensions that may or may not exist.
Lynx, if we're gonna continue with this you gotta stop this guy from giving everyone a math lesson and belittling every suggestion anyone comes up with.
Just about had enough of this guy.

This is a science-based forum, not a science fiction or science fantasy forum. As I said before, the ideas you come up with are necessarily "based on science fiction or dimensions that may or may not exist" because you refuse to educate yourself as to how the universe actually works. So you waste everyone's time blathering on about science fantasy that you purport to be real. If anyone believed your tripe, they'd waste their lives pursuing a FE device that would never work.

My idea for high-fraction-of-c travel was just as 'far out there' as yours, but for a different reason... your idea wouldn't have worked under any circumstances, whereas my idea would but we're not sufficiently advanced to make it work on a large enough scale to push a spacecraft. At present, one is based in 'science fantasy', whereas mine is based in 'science fact'.

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 05:06 PM

I'm not sticking around for another barrage from him, i'm signing out and that will be it. See, I wasn't bothered about him attacking my Quantum beliefs, he has a right to challenge those because its theoretical anyway,

Quantum mechanics is anything but 'theoretical anyway'... it's the most mathematically precise science humankind has conceived, corroborated by literally thousands of experiments over its 118 years since Max Planck published on 14 Dec 1900 his study of blackbody radiation and quantization.

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 05:06 PM

it was when I presented the Lazar stuff which I said i'd sit on the fence with as far as believing it and then I gave you an idea for space flight, he continued the arguments through that too which makes me think he's gonna follow me and do it all over the forum. I'm not doing that and i'm not going to sit here and watch him do it to another person who's ideas don't fit his agenda. Thanks anyway but tata.

That's your choice. No one forced you to make it except for you. Had you educated yourself about quantum mechanics the last time I schooled you on the topic, you likely wouldn't be so butthurt about having to be schooled on the topic a second time because your fairy-tale ideas cannot withstand scientific scrutiny, yet you promulgate them as though they were gospel truth.

While you're away:
Educate yourself, Nav. :D

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 09:23 AM

Cycle, you've claimed that your chosen field is math, you made this clear several posts back. Recently Bob Lazar was mentioned along with Dan Burisch and you've claimed they are both frauds which is quite understandable because both men have dodgy credentials and if this were a court of law affair and you were the barrister in a case the people vs Lazar and Burisch then you'd win hands down, there is no doubting that. I just want to ask you the question why you'd be in the slightest bit interested in these two men when you are clearly well educated and versed in math? I find that most people educated to your level tend to be purists and don't often wonder into other fields.

Because some people are gullible enough to believe this sort of idiocy. Even you have said you "sit on the fence", when any thinking person can see right through their ruse with even cursory examination of their claims. I hold no interest in the topic other than that.

Of course, Dr. Steven Greer was also highly educated, and he wandered into another field, so your premise seems a bit flawed.

Quote from nav on July 25th, 2018, 09:23 AM

My other question is this: We've mentioned Lazar and Burisch which were not good examples really but what about the others with really good credentials whom Dr Steven Greer has interviewed regarding their experiences with either aliens or UFO's? What are your thoughts on Dr Greer and Sirius disclosure?

Greer is an uncomfortable combination of over-the-top off-the-rails hucksterism (on his part) and seemingly-legitimate reporting (on the part of those he interviews). Thus he tends to discredit his own message... as his Atacama desert mummy claims and his remote viewing / precognition / coherent thought to signal UFOs twaddle (for which he holds training programs... at $2500 a pop) exemplify. I think he's mainly a huckster looking to profit from gullible yokels based on the UFO reports of others.

I mean, think about it... take away his laser pointer when he's giving his 'UFO sighting trips', and see how many "UFOs" show up... I think he keeps firing his laser pointer at the horizon as a signal to a distant drone operator, who fires up a couple drones with bright flares attached to them. You'll note in the YouTube video below, the 'burn time' of the two lights is very nearly the same, and you can see them burn out just as a flare would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teeRzaybrXw

And wouldn't you know it, that's the color that a flare made from NaNO₃ (sodium nitrate), Al (Aluminum) and KClO₃ (potassium chlorate) puts out. ;)

That's two now Cycle.  You've run off onepower and now Nav.  Proud of yourself?

I have an idea, you have two working hands?  I suspect you do the way you type so much.

Sit down and design a circuit, built it, test it and share with us your results.  That's what this forum is for.  I'll even set you up a workbench Cycle--your very own place to show us all what you're really able to accomplish.  To be blunt, quit screwing around and get serious.  Time is wasting.

Below is a little example in case you're not sure where to start.  If you're curious, you won't find that circuit anywhere on the Internet.  It took in excess of 60 hours or so to figure out and now it's on this forum for others to save loads of time going through what I went through.  That's OpenSource and it works for real.  It's not a simulation.