I thought this was interesting...https://futurism.com/potential-nuclear-war-north-korea/

The problem I see is that deterrence works only so long as one party of the two is not willing to pull the trigger... but what if they are willing?. What if one party has nothing to lose, what if they are willing to take it all the way as a matter of principal?. As such Trump with all his bravado and bluster living in his imaginary bubble of wealth and power may be playing a game of russian roulette.

The next issue is the fact that that the U.S. seems to think they can just do whatever the hell they want and interfere with any sovereign country as they see fit. A clear and present threat to any other culture which may happen to disagree in some way. Most back down however we should understand that most is not all and what has happened in the past does not dictate the future.

At the end of the day I do not see two leaders hard at work to solve our problems I see two psychopaths in a pissing war of ego's willing to bet the other backs down... but will they back down?. It's strange that few can even imagine the fallout which begs the question of how far we are willing to go. Are you willing to kill millions or possibly billions over the course of decades to prove your belief?. Personally I think that if it ever comes to nuclear war which could change the face of this planet many people may be re-evaluating what they consider important in their lives.

It all comes down to this, you and another person are pointing a gun at each others head and are you willing to pull the trigger to find out what happens next?... are you really willing to go all the way to prove your beliefs?. You see at some point the BS is obviously going to come to a head and someone is going to have to prove the extent of their convictions and everyone else is going to have to deal with the fallout.

It's obviously FUBAR.

FUBAR it is.

It only looks like FUBAR because most are completely unaware BOTH sides are owned.  Nuclear weapons would have never entered the modern era without a single master in full control.

Nothing of any significance happens in this world by chance.  Nothing.

Eagles listen not to the chirping of sparrows.

You must learn to think like an eagle grasshopper.

Uranium One negotiations on your behalf.

US Corp.

its a game to crank up the fear output

lower the collective conscious resonance, let the archons feast on everyone negative emotion....

guarenteed the last Flacking thing trump and jong il want to do is pull the trigger. this is all manufactured by members of the shadow government that runs the Flacking world

The problem I see is that many people seem to think everything is just a game and everything will always remain the same. For example over 90% of the fish in the ocean are gone and fish stocks are declining, the oceans are becoming acidic and coral reefs are dying everywhere and the oceans are full of plastic. However joe blow down the street seems to think it's fake news and that it won't effect him so long as he can buy that can of tuna down at the store. Which begs the question how so many people could have become completely and utterly detached from reality.

It would seem to me thinking something is in control of everything is a little naive because most things would seem to be out of control. It's like the guy next door who thinks everything is just a game and everything is under control and then a hurricane rolls in and flattens his house and he's homeless and has no job. Then the next morning he wakes up and cannot seem to rationalize how everything went to hell in a hand basket so fast because he naively thought nothing would ever change and someone would always have his back.

The fact is this wonderful illusion of control is just that... an illusion. Everyone thinks everything is under control then the power goes out and it doesn't come back on and everyone loses their Poo as reality comes crashing in on them. It's wonderful to naively think everything is just a game and everything is under control however I think nature has other plans.

the more chicken littles the better.
wasnt the US detonating h-bombs in the atmosphere for fun in the 60's?
trippy......man.

Matt

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It only looks like FUBAR because most are completely unaware BOTH sides are owned.  Nuclear weapons would have never entered the modern era without a single master in full control.
Nothing of any significance happens in this world by chance.  Nothing.

The problem with your theory is that it delegates men to the status of gods not unlike that little problem we had in the dark ages when everyone thought they were the center of the universe. In fact I know a few people in high places and when they go on television they talk with such confidence like they have everything figured out. However in reality they are just normal people and they have no more real answers nor control than most do. I found it a little comical that so many would put them up on a pedestal and worship them when in fact they put their pants on one leg at a time just like I do.

I think we need to move past this hocus pocus men are gods and in control dark ages nonsense to move forward because obviously we are not the center of the universe. You see this strange notion of control only works until something happens and you realize you are not in control. Nothing happens until something moves.

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Matt
The problem with your theory is that it delegates men to the status of gods not unlike that little problem we had in the dark ages when everyone thought they were the center of the universe. In fact I know a few people in high places and when they go on television they talk with such confidence like they have everything figured out.

The owners are never seen.  Only a handful of people even know who they are.  These creatures prepare and execute multi-generational plans.  In our short lifetime we're lucky to even get a whiff of what they are up to.  As Karl Rove put it, they make their own reality and while we try to figure it out, they'll be off creating the next reality.  These people are in a completely different league.  They don't think at all like you or I.  To them it's not a game, it's a "must be".  They know how dangerous we could be should we escape from our cages.

The answer for us is that we have power in numbers, but we never seem to exercise that power.  If we all just refused to pay our taxes or refuse to participate in some police action, things could change.  If we insisted we no longer want to live under admiralty law and want common law back.  Returning to a sound money system and ditching FRNs would be a great start.  There are tons of things we could do to partially break ties with our masters.  We could force them to either kill us all or leave us alone.  But we won't.  We are the unwashed masses and will not operate as a knowledgable collective.  At this point in time we can't even get a 50% agreement on this single topic on this little forum.  In other words, we're toast and our rulers know it.

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The owners are never seen.  Only a handful of people even know who they are.

So your saying they're kind of like unicorns and fairies?... got it.

No offense but I find it hard to believe in a master plan when 65% of people do not know how to change the tire on their car and 20% are unsure how to change a light bulb. It just strains all credibility in my opinion and a more realistic explanation is that most people are just afraid that nobody is really in control. Sure many people like to talk however doing seems to be a real problem and everyone has it all figured out until it starts going sideways on them. It's just the same old story with a slightly different spin in my opinion.

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At this point in time we can't even get a 50% agreement on this single topic on this little forum.  In other words, we're toast and our rulers know it.

Success is not defined by agreement it is defined by knowledge and applying that knowledge to reality to get something done. So no we are not toast and yes we can succeed without agreement on anything. We are individuals, we are not a group or an entity nor are we a country we are unique in our own right and we will succeed if we want to regardless of others beliefs. I also find it very strange that you think you have a master, I don't have a master and nobody tells me what to do except for my wife... but that's another story.

At the end of the day were just a bunch of people living on a planet orbiting a nearby star heading towards the constellation Orion at some 270 million miles per hour. We are not gods nor do we have a master or any real plan were just people trying to find our place in this universe... not a big deal.

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... I don't have a master and nobody tells me what to do ...

Wow.

Matt, I'm with you.
Pride is what stands in the way for some people to believe there is something greater than themselves.
There is a God. Ponder on the order in nature.
Knowledge is far more useful if it goes hand in hand with wisdom.

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Pride is what stands in the way for some people to believe there is something greater than themselves.
There is a God. Ponder on the order in nature.
Knowledge is far more useful if it goes hand in hand with wisdom.

Believing in freedom, independence and the pursuit of happiness is not pride in any sense of the word it's about basic human rights. In fact most countries which are not communist also believe it's citizens should be free, independent and a slave to no person or belief.

However you seem to be implying that I am proud, lacking knowledge and wisdom because I believe I am not a slave and as you may know God does look kindly on false judgement.

I was thinking a little more on the very strange responses to my post. I have to wonder how so many people came to believe they must have a master in affect becoming a slave to something. It just boggles my mind how anyone could believe this and I find it almost impossible to rationalize. How exactly can one claim to be free and independent in any sense of the word and believe they have a master which is clearly a contradiction in terms?.

It is like saying yes I am free and independent just as long as I and everyone else obeys my master. I agree with Matt... Wow.

In my opinion true freedom and independence is found by removing all contradictions... not creating more of them.

As long as you remain the debtor, you remain a slave to obligations.

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As long as you remain the debtor, you remain a slave to obligations.

I would think the context is different because while we are obliged to fulfill a mutual agreement this does not imply we have a master nor that we are a slave. When the agreement is fulfilled the obligation disappears thus we are not a slave because we have a choice in the matter. Slavery is a lack of freedom and independence and having no apparent choice in the matter.

Yep, sucks to reside in a country where there is no common law.

With common law, there is consent, and is honored in a common law country.

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The Declaration of Independence says, “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

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I have to wonder how so many people came to believe they must have a master in affect becoming a slave to something. It just boggles my mind how anyone could believe this and I find it almost impossible to rationalize. How exactly can one claim to be free and independent in any sense of the word and believe they have a master which is clearly a contradiction in terms?

I put my money on George Carlin.  The language is a little strong, but the point he makes is dead on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhZyAOuyhE

Matt

You have to love George Carlin, I have watched that video so many times and it never gets old. He always had a way of cutting through all the BS and getting to the heart of the matter .

And the thing he didn't mention is:  The owners also don't want some old guy telling people "the table is tilted" and "the game is rigged".  You won't see any more George Carlins educating people with the truth.

@onepower
You either live in a state that has no property taxes, or you're completely delusional.  I owe nothing to anyone including my property, house or any vehicles I have, and there is now way I can live on the savings and investments I have which should be enough. 
You are sound like you are too indoctonated to even know you are a slave.

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You either live in a state that has no property taxes, or you're completely delusional.  I owe nothing to anyone including my property, house or any vehicles I have, and there is now way I can live on the savings and investments I have which should be enough. 
You are sound like you are too indoctonated to even know you are a slave.

Slavery is a state of mind and it's thinking you have no choice when you have all the choices in the world. It reminds me of a Canadian I met in Mexico on the beach and he told me he could barely make a living in Canada. Then he moved to Mexico and now owns a big house next to the resort with a maid and he makes $500 U.S. a day just guiding a few tourists around and sitting on a beach all day drinking beer. He was the happiest guy I ever met and he didn't seem to have a care in the world not to mention the fact he said he made enough money in ten years to retire like a king debt free.

He wasn't a slave to his country or it's ideals and he was free to move where ever he pleased to do whatever he wanted. That is freedom and independence and if you ever begin to think you are a slave then you probably are. Freedom is a state of mind and knowing we have a choice in how we decide to live our lives while a slave thinks he has no choice which is why he will always be a slave.

Cancel a mort-gage, or debt-pledge. Release an obligation.

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n. a document in which the owner pledges his/her/its title to real property to a lender as security for a loan described in a promissory note. Mortgage is an old English term derived from two French words "mort" and "gage" meaning "dead pledge."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u0ePd57cVw

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You either live in a state that has no property taxes, or you're completely delusional.  I owe nothing to anyone including my property, house or any vehicles I have, and there is now way I can live on the savings and investments I have which should be enough. 
You are sound like you are too indoctonated to even know you are a slave.

Let's re-analyze this statement.
You say you are debt free however you cannot live on your savings and investments and then accuse me of being too indoctrinated to even know I am a slave.

My first question would be if you cannot make a living where your at then why not move to somewhere where you can?. You do understand you live on a very big planet and you can live wherever you choose don't you?. However if one is a slave to the false ideal of their own "country" which is simply geography then you have created the conditions for your own slavery. I am not bound to my country, it is simply a place and there are many other nice places I could easily live and I intend to in the future.

To be honest I find your line of reason mind boggling. In essence our implying I don't understand... because you have backed yourself into a corner and limited all your options because of your beliefs. Make no mistake I have no intention of doing what you have done because I already know the result. In my opinion delusional is knowing the outcome is unacceptable yet proceeding anyways because you feel you have no choice. Why not just stop what your doing and do something else, lol.

In the big picture what we are really talking about is habitual behavior and an inability to accept change when everything must inevitably change.

Yes onepower, you can live anyplace on this spherical rock, but being insolvent you must bow before your king and have permission granted before you do it.  That pretty much defines being a slave, at least while contained in your mortal coil.  There are very few truly sovereign people on this planet.  If you happen to be one of them, then that puts you in a very rare classification.

I fully comprehend state of mind.  People can believe whatever they want to.  At some point in everyone's life they run headlong into a situation where their beliefs seem to hit the reality wall.  That's a point where it may prove useful to reevaluate their beliefs.  It's where facts, evidence, trends and other useful data play an important role in determining what reality actually is.  Call it finding your limits or boundaries.  Many of us have done just that and is why we pay taxes and say things like "your honor" in a courtroom or "yes sir" to a law enforcement officer.  Individually we cannot change or bend the system enough for anyone to notice.  Only as a massive group can we throw off the shackles of slavery.  Everybody has to want it and agree to do it right now, not sometime in the future.  Unfortunately, there are many many people that actually prefer being a slave.  Mostly those in the middle of the pyramid where they can pass on the abuse from their masters to their subordinates.  These people will never help us and there are still many others that have simply given up.  It takes determination and numbers.  We need both.  Else we have status quo.