Matt

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Yes onepower, you can live anyplace on this spherical rock, but being insolvent you must bow before your king and have permission granted before you do it.  That pretty much defines being a slave, at least while contained in your mortal coil.  There are very few truly sovereign people on this planet.  If you happen to be one of them, then that puts you in a very rare classification.

I fail to see your line of reason. If I choose to walk into the forest and start a new life and there was nobody else around and nobody to tell me what to do then who is my master... nobody. If a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear?... well no because we already defined that nobody's there. Thus your claim is false because it is completely dependent on 1) holding to the false beliefs or habitual behavior of other people and 2) geography. We can also see that people who chose to live in highly populated areas also choose to be dictated to by other people however obviously this is not always the case.

What your implying is contradictory in it's nature because it implies we have no choice so long as we always hold to the choices you have predefined and no others. It is a logic fallacy because the moment we apply logic and reason the whole ball of wax starts falling apart. It would seem to me you have created the conditions for your own slavery in your own mind due to your own habitual behavior. As if to say I have no choice because I will only accept choices which limit my choices making my belief a self-fulfilling belief. That is expecting something to happen because in affect you have taken such action to make it happen.

Not unlike Free Energy where many subconsciously believe it is not possible thus their disbelief makes their failure to understand a self-fulfilling prophecy ie. a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true. You see if someone truly believed in free energy then there is no option they would not be willing to explore and they would be willing to set aside all their beliefs in order to succeed. They would not limit their choices which in affect almost guarantee's their failure.

The proof is that all of the greatest minds including Tesla shunned society and their populist beliefs. Tesla used to go for walks in the park to clear his head and get back in touch with nature... reality.

Please give a listen.

Wow this thred is deep.

By the way.  I am a slave.

I can not just  go out and live some where in the forest. (Next to my water fall)
Some one will come drag me to a court house and take my land.

Jist saying.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on November 1st, 2017, 11:45 PM

Some one will come drag me to a court house and take my land.

Claim the land, before they do.

onepower your definition of control differs from mine

whatever runs the world is trying its very best to destroy earth

you could say its controlled chaos, stuxnet infected fukushima so the systems went offline they used HAARP/tesla tech to create the tsunami....

they flew a muon tomography scanner over fukushima and the corium is GONE, it melted through the floor and is noow in the ocean....

perfect depopulation scheme...

why do you think planes spray aluminum nanocrystals into a daily basis?

look at santa rosa fires, you have houses that are LEVELED and the trees next to them are untouched

they've weaponized the ground with these nanocrystals

why do you think all the politicians are Flacking demon worshipping pedofiles?

you think its all a coincedance?

no Flacking way

Russ

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Wow this thred is deep.
By the way.  I am a slave.

Interesting, deep vs superficial and petty?. Which begs the question how do you think we should be thinking?. I find it surprising that others find it surprising when I would consider deep and clear normal.

Interesting week ... all was well then all the news channels started blaring about a horrific terrorist attack as fear and panic swept over the nation. Then the president said the justice system was a laughingstock and implied they should just start shipping American citizens to Gtmo where they torture people because ... one guy in a truck. Then the conversation turned to walls and bans and the death penalty because... one guy in a truck. Meanwhile, millions die each year because of pollution and we hear not a peep because the canary passed away quite a while ago.
It boggles the mind.

Quote from onepower on November 1st, 2017, 07:07 AM

Itzon
Let's re-analyze this statement.
You say you are debt free however you cannot live on your savings and investments and then accuse me of being too indoctrinated to even know I am a slave.

My first question would be if you cannot make a living where your at then why not move to somewhere where you can?. You do understand you live on a very big planet and you can live wherever you choose don't you?. However if one is a slave to the false ideal of their own "country" which is simply geography then you have created the conditions for your own slavery. I am not bound to my country, it is simply a place and there are many other nice places I could easily live and I intend to in the future.

I don't believe I ever said I couldn't make a living where I'm at.  What I did say, or mean, is that even when one's debt obligations are gone there is still alot that has to be paid out.
As far as simply moving to another country, it's not simply geography depending on where you want to go.  Do you even know that in order to enter some countries(I'm not sure how many are this way) you HAVE to be invited to get a visa for entry?  I've been to some that are this way for work.  You also better figure in your budget bribery money unless your in a few of the "first world" countries because it's a way of life in most others.

Quote from onepower on November 1st, 2017, 07:07 AM

To be honest I find your line of reason mind boggling. In essence our implying I don't understand... because you have backed yourself into a corner and limited all your options because of your beliefs. Make no mistake I have no intention of doing what you have done because I already know the result. In my opinion delusional is knowing the outcome is unacceptable yet proceeding anyways because you feel you have no choice. Why not just stop what your doing and do something else, lol.

You have no intention of doing what I have done, as in becoming debt free?  You know the outcome of that?  The outcome is unacceptable?  The outcome is not what I wished it would be, as in complete freedom, but it is better than fretting over the bank wanting to take what you can't pay for.

Quote from onepower on November 1st, 2017, 07:07 AM

In the big picture what we are really talking about is habitual behavior and an inability to accept change when everything must inevitably change.

I'm not sure what you mean by the inability to accept change, but I'm sure we can agree that developing a way to create cheap energy would be a drastic change that we here would all welcome. 
Let's get on with that task.

Quote from onepower on November 2nd, 2017, 09:06 AM

Russ
Interesting, deep vs superficial and petty?. Which begs the question how do you think we should be thinking?. I find it surprising that others find it surprising when I would consider deep and clear normal.

Interesting week ... all was well then all the news channels started blaring about a horrific terrorist attack as fear and panic swept over the nation. Then the president said the justice system was a laughingstock and implied they should just start shipping American citizens to Gtmo where they torture people because ... one guy in a truck. Then the conversation turned to walls and bans and the death penalty because... one guy in a truck. Meanwhile, millions die each year because of pollution and we hear not a peep because the canary passed away quite a while ago.
It boggles the mind.

Don't forget though. We are free,  free to think,  and act on that thinking,  its impossible to take my mind.  But its eazy to brain wash.

I'll keep doing what I have  to to feed my family. While I fight for enegy independence.  Mabey I should start to build a space ship where I'll be free. Hehe.
~Russ

Might be worth a read:






The truth is out there, but so far I haven't found a source that is all pure truth.  There are bits-n-pieces of truth floating all around from different sources.  Takes time to stitch together a coherent fabric of truth--probably multiple lifetimes.  And the biggest problem of all is that my truth never matches anyone else's truth.  So obviously my truth is false.  That can be a problem sometimes, but I'll work through it.  If I succeed in building a free energy device some day, I'll warn you all now, it's not likely anyone will be able to replicate it.  Why?  Because we create our own realities; you can be identical twins but your realities will still be different, similar, but different.

"A holographic simulation to entrap human perception" ???   Maybe so.  If David is right it would be impossible to prove it.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 9th, 2017, 04:57 PM

The truth is out there, but so far I haven't found a source that is all pure truth.  There are bits-n-pieces of truth floating all around from different sources.  Takes time to stitch together a coherent fabric of truth--probably multiple lifetimes.  And the biggest problem of all is that my truth never matches anyone else's truth.  So obviously my truth is false.

It's like a splinter in your mind. You don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Quote from haxar on November 9th, 2017, 09:54 PM

It's like a splinter in your mind. You don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Very true.  What I do know is I'm so far down the hole now, there's no way to ever climb back out.  Life is a series of experiences and choices derived from those experiences.  I've made most of my choices already.  The ones that are left will be my defining moments.

Once it's seen, it can never be unseen...

It's refreshing to read this thread, and to see that the people on this forum have 'figured it out', have 'woken up', or wathever you want to call it. Yet another reason why I love this little corner of the internet so much. Something about it makes me feel right at home. :)

I don't know how you guys experience it, but sometimes I feel like I'm looking into society from the outside, out of place like a stranger. I look at young kids being brainwashed all over the place and are completely defenseless, and it makes me sad. I read/hear the news and at times it almost feels like a comedy show. I could go on for a while, but you get the idea.

It's so hard not to become a cynic. Maybe ignorance really is bliss?

@Henne: A pessimist is an optimist with experience, a cynic is a pessimist with more experience.

99% of "news" has no effect on your life. Whenever you are consuming a news story on the web, TV, radio, print, where ever, stop for a minute and ask yourself, "How does this affect my life?" Of that 1% that does have an effect on your life, what can you do right now, today, to change it?

That 99% is just entertainment. If you don't like it, turn it off. Come back to it a month, a year, 5 years, a decade later and it won't be much different.

Lord, please help me be the person my dog thinks I am.

Quote from Henne on November 12th, 2017, 03:08 PM

I don't know how you guys experience it, but sometimes I feel like I'm looking into society from the outside, out of place like a stranger. I look at young kids being brainwashed all over the place and are completely defenseless, and it makes me sad. I read/hear the news and at times it almost feels like a comedy show.

You'll probably appreciate this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsFpm4yAoMQ

My awakening was in 2008 when George Carlin passed. Then a couple years later, I got to the strawman legal fiction rabbit hole, before it was wide spread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAxxUvoLdv0

Quote from haxar on November 9th, 2017, 09:54 PM

It's like a splinter in your mind. You don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Speaking of deep rabbit holes, here's an e-book that addresses contract law and banking. Legalized fraud and deception.

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HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN
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a Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and
Remembering Who You Are
by: Mary Elizabeth: Croft

Matt

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Very true.  What I do know is I'm so far down the hole now, there's no way to ever climb back out.  Life is a series of experiences and choices derived from those experiences.  I've made most of my choices already.  The ones that are left will be my defining moments.

George Carlin had it right.

Henne

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I don't know how you guys experience it, but sometimes I feel like I'm looking into society from the outside, out of place like a stranger. I look at young kids being brainwashed all over the place and are completely defenseless, and it makes me sad. I read/hear the news and at times it almost feels like a comedy show. I could go on for a while, but you get the idea.
It's so hard not to become a cynic. Maybe ignorance really is bliss?

This is good and few people get to see the religious/corporate/government fiasco for what it is or as I call it ... zombie land. Your not alone and it doesn't just feel like a comedy show it is one. It's one big sad joke and my advice is to enjoy the show... from a distance.