« on May 5th, 2017, 12:18 PM »
I've read these two related patents from tesla:

here is a video from someone who build it. the rotation speed jumps, very interesting.

tesla turbine rpm jump

In the patents, Tesla talks about water flow. I have been reading these patents, substituting words.
plates=bifilar coils

It makes sense.
Re: idea's
« Reply #1, on May 5th, 2017, 01:59 PM »
A quote from Nelson Rocha (copied from Matt Watts):

No, I do not charge caps with the output, but I discharge caps to have output :) but that caps first need to be full  :)  is the reason to I say that systems have more that one stage and should not be understood like just one process, but a combination of several process.

Yes, I use nano pulses but made by own design; their action is to create a heavy unipolar pulse that make a very sharp pulse in a coil in a combination of series/parallel resonance. That effect is managed by a parametric oscilator that regulate how stronger is the pulses applyed to a coil and the frequency used.  The pulses will increase in their intensity after some seconds system start working and charges start be collected in other stage of circuit, make pulses going stronger and stronger, oscillation after oscillation.

Hope my answers could help you about your doubts

this brings me to think the joule thief pulser, can be used to discharge a capacitor into a step up transformer.
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« Reply #2, on May 5th, 2017, 03:56 PM »
I now use bifilar coils to pulse the central coils. but is this really needed? I could also wrap 2 windings around the outer edge of the resonant coil, and pulse it. Like Tesla showed in his patents. much easier.

but, I think i wil need the pulse to go through a bifilar coil. because it sets the ether flow in motion. the vortexes must move through the resonant coils in the center. I'm not sure about this.

There must be 3 fields. one and two are transverse, electro magnetic , and the 3rd is longitudinal. this third wave... moving like sound pressure waves. this is where the energy resides.
resonant pulses
« Reply #3, on May 6th, 2017, 01:13 AM »
resonant frequency standing waves.

I play a lot of instruments, and they all produce standing waves at their resonant frequency.

and how? by giving it a pulse.

the piano hammer hitting the snare.
the drumstick hitting the snaredrum
the guitar pick hitting the snare
the metal bell
the triangle
etc etc etc

therefor to let the bifilar pancake coil ring we need pulses. short duration energetic high voltage pulses.
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« Reply #4, on May 6th, 2017, 01:24 AM »
if the 3 fields are all at 90 degrees related to each other. the 3rd field Longitudinal would point out of the coil straight up and down from the surface. bigger area better beam.

at the same time it rotates. producing a vortex.

that vortex needs a center hole, to spin freely.
radius of the hole, is one
radius of the hole plus windings is phi*phi
for perfect balance.
(phi*phi) - 1=phi
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« Reply #5, on May 6th, 2017, 03:39 AM »Last edited on May 6th, 2017, 11:46 PM
5 stacked coils
nr 2 and 4 pulsed
1 3 and 5 resonant
nr 5 and 1 (top bottom) positive negative
nr 3 (center) neutral (center tap bridge to ground)  for 5 and 1
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« Reply #6, on May 6th, 2017, 12:34 PM »
bifilar inner hole ratio to winding surface area, based on the pentagram PHI geometry

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« Reply #7, on May 6th, 2017, 01:10 PM »
An idea for the step up pulse tranformer, based on a bifilar primary with few windings, and a unifilar secondary with many windings (and impedance matching)

dont know. about this, feels better to have the windings on top of eachother...

 pulse transformer2.png - 11.11 kB, 409x283, viewed 20 times.

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« Reply #8, on May 6th, 2017, 01:12 PM »
maybe use foil for the primary


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« Reply #9, on May 6th, 2017, 05:52 PM »
Find a slip on ferrite bead they use for HF chokes. You might have a problem of hysteresis and core saturation, so you will want to find a resonant frequency appropriate to you ferrite material. Just depends on how you are planning on engineering your circuit of course. You can find chokes like that with many sensitive electronics like cameras, monitors/televisions, and basically anything with signal ICs. Here are some examples

Keep on exploring.


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« Reply #10, on May 6th, 2017, 11:44 PM »
ferrite beads from chokes are a killer for high frequency. I need high frequency to get nearby the resonant frequency of the bifilar pancake coil. 

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« Reply #11, on May 7th, 2017, 04:48 AM »
@ diadon, I locked this section, I appreciate your input, but please do it in the comment section:

This way I can keep my work organized.
« Reply #12, on May 10th, 2017, 03:11 PM »Last edited on May 10th, 2017, 04:20 PM
3 fields. transverse electro magnetic and longitudinal.

A point
A double helix (longitudinal rope)
A flat double spiral (dielectric planar)
a double toroid. (magnetic spacial)

all related, all balanced, all 90 degrees separated.
if we reduce one field, the other grows bigger.

By pulsing the Biflar tesla coil, we get a magnetic field cancelation, due to counter rotation.
The dielectric energy is still there, but not balanced between the windings. Minimum voltage difference between the windings appears at the center where the two windings connect. maximum at start and end.

minimum dielectric, combined with cancelled magnetic, gives rise to infinite longitudinal field (we need a name, is this the magneto dielectric?)

Re: idea's
« Reply #13, on May 10th, 2017, 03:47 PM »
4 equal capacitors. 16 farad each max 3V each.
parallel: total: 64 farad 3V
series:  4 farad, 12V

Equal energy?  E=1/2 C (V*V)
parallel: E=1/2*64 (3*3)=288 joules
series:  E=1/2*4 (12*12)=288 joules
yes, equal energy.

charge time equal?
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« Reply #14, on May 11th, 2017, 07:52 AM »
copied this from matt watts:
Quote from Nelson Rocha:

    The pancake stack act like a capacitive transformer  because is pulsed with a unipolar pulse , not with AC sinus wave, generate a short huge pulse provided by the capacitors tank . Nikola Tesla talk about that point is not clear their point ?
     Is like use a hammer (big hammer) and thump in a bell (coil) make it ring in the right way . I find during last months , that pancake coil have advantage in relation to solenoid  coil because their capacity properties , and their dielectric properties .
     I reach to my conclusions under my own interpretation and Work bench, but i will lie to you if i told you that is only that .

a capacitive transformer. what I read: Pulse at resonant frequency, outputs a sine wave.
"that is only that" so, there is more happening.
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« Reply #15, on May 11th, 2017, 08:28 AM »
my ideal setup would be
3 bifilar coils. stacked.

center coil pulsed with high voltage hairpin pulses (infinite small rise and fall time) from both ends of the coil but opposite polarities.

the pulse frequency and the resonant frequency of the top and bottom coils need to be equal (tuned)

HV pulses created by capacitor discharge.

no noticable magnetic field (counter rotation of the pos and neg pulses)

the resonant coils can hook up in a series closed loop.

 normally with a single pulse there is a magnetic field, and the loop cant be will kill the resonant voltage rise. but with the double pulse there is no magnetic field. and when the loop is closed the resonant voltage rise is still there!

than use rectifier diodes and the opposite phase signal to draw the voltage out. this time the resonant voltage rise isnt disturbed. (this last part isnt confirmed yet)
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« Reply #16, on May 13th, 2017, 02:42 AM »
M@ inspired me to this setup , as a lmd Doallard setup

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« Reply #17, on May 15th, 2017, 02:10 AM »Last edited on May 16th, 2017, 01:26 AM
I had 2 dreams this morning about the bifilar coil.
One about how the energy is scooped in from the outer edge, and circles inward to the center. it came from the edge in. Reminds me of the tubine/fluid patents mentioned earlier.

 the  energy vortex moves inward inbetween the 2 windings, reflected by the 2 coil windings, giving a double vortex. pulsing from both ends gives 2 counter rotating vortexes. one above and one below the pancake bifilar coil, at the same time the magnetic field vortex is nullified. It seems the dielectric vortex now takes over outside of the coil moving in spiral vortexes

The other dream, had the start and finish of th bifilar coil also connected. So the windings where crosse connected from both ends. forming a closed loop. this loop is like a infinity symbol. The energy fields would flow on.
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« Reply #18, on May 15th, 2017, 06:01 AM »
sometimes i doubt myself. I allow myself to post ideas freely. but then Im scared to be judged or not taken seriously.

but i know im not always right. thats fine
i cant stop people judging me. and its a waist of energy worrying over it.

I would like to be able to trust my intuition.

but im only human
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« Reply #19, on May 16th, 2017, 01:35 AM »
I can make a resonant voltage rise by pulsing the coils at their resonant frequency.
a standing wave rises.

the resonant circuit cant be closed because it is polarised and forms a magneticfield.

the quest is to pulse from both ends with oppositepolarity at the same time.

as a variation, I could use the out of phase resonant voltages. these standing waves could be half rectified and fed into another bifilar coil from both ends. it will need to have the same resonant frequency. this way the fields will counter rotate again.

it is not pulsed, but since we already have the right energy form, rectified and put together again this could work.

making life alot easier
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« Reply #20, on May 18th, 2017, 08:43 AM »
The bifilar pancake coil has two windings in the form of two spirals.
In between these windings there are 2 spiral "canals" where the dielectric field resides.

A standing wave seems to exist at the resonant frequency, and when pulsed with a single polarity pulse, there is also a static magnetic field (static, meaning a fixed polarity shown by a compass).
It seems the dielectric field overflows from the center and starts flowing over the windings at 90 degrees, it always chooses a direction to one side of the coil, making the north pressure stronger than the south(under pressure), where the ether flow is sucked in.

But when pulsed from both ends with opposite polarity pulses, at the same time, at the resonant frequency,
The 2 canals, where the dielectric field resides, might flow (ether flow) in opposite directions.

One canal flows inward, and one channel flows outward. The field in the center, now is flowing from one channel into the other channel.
the energy doesnt overflow, and doesnt create a magnetic field.
But there is rotation in the center of the hole, and around the outside of the coil.

The channels are counter spiraling between the windings. Inward and outward.
With the single pulsed coil, this counter rotation, only exists above and below the coil, forming the magnetic fields north and south, centripetal and centrifugal.
But in the double pulsed coil, the centrifugal and centripetal (inwards and outwards) spirals of energy/ether are residing between the windings,  counter rotating ether fields.

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« Reply #21, on May 18th, 2017, 08:52 AM »
In addition, the 2 canals, can be connected together, and it will keep flowing inwards and outwards.

In other words, If we have a coil on top, and a coil below, both resonating, they can be connected in series closed loop. the field will keep flowing, due to the counter rotation.
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« Reply #22, on May 19th, 2017, 02:57 AM »Last edited on May 19th, 2017, 02:59 AM
the joule thief circuit shows the right pulses, but only one side is amplified by the npn transistor

I based this on a toroid with 2 windings 1:1

what if the windings were doubled. a parallel extra set. but this te connected to a pnp transistor.

the center of the parallel windings would now connect on the other side, the to keep the fields flowing in the same direction in the toroid. so the coil would be placed on the other side mirrored.

now we have 2 separate systems. 2 joulethief circuits. coupled through the toroid. but the npn gives a positive amplified pulse, while the pnp gives a negative amplified pulse.

it comes down to 2 bifilar windings on the toroid. one connected to the pnp the other to the npn. both pulsing but oposite polarities , still coupling to the toroid due to the mirrored symetry of connections

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« Reply #23, on May 19th, 2017, 09:41 AM »
if we have two transverse fields, one dielectric and one magnetic. they are exchanging energy.

if we transform into a higher voltage the amperage goes down (dielectric field stronger, magnetic field weaker)

but since there also is a third longitudinal field, I assume it also exchanges energy with the other fields.

for example
a coil can make a magnetic field. but the same coil in   a little different configuration can cancel out the magnetic field. but it still consumes power (loss of the dielectric component).

if there is no magnetic field, I assume the energy will be transformed into the third field, the longitudinal.

because there is no extra heat or other escape for the consumed energy.

so, 3 fields that can interchange their energy.

magnetic into dielectric into longitudinal (need a name) and back and forth.

so playing with a bifilar coil without the magnetic field must have a interaction with the 3rd field.

therefor the energy conservation laws are intact. we dont make energy from nothing, we tranform it from the 3rd field
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« Reply #24, on May 19th, 2017, 05:32 PM »
transverse waves are limited by the speed of light.
longitudinal waves are faster (eric p dollard).
when the speed is higher, the amplitude is higher.