#### Matt Watts

« Reply #50, on May 19th, 2017, 12:21 PM »
Quote from evostars on May 19th, 2017, 09:49 AM
pulse would mean a discharge of the field
Well, that's where I'm a little confused.  Couldn't a pulse simply be a change in dielectric density?

For example with so-called "static electricity", if you have a plastic block sitting on a wooden desk and you rapidly pull it away, you will create a measurable voltage of several hundred and possibly thousands of volts.  This is actually an easy way to destroy sensitive electronic devices.  The physical motion of pulling away creates voltage because of the change in charge density.  I would classify that voltage increase as a pulse, though it's difficult to explain where it actually came from.

#### evostars

« Reply #51, on May 19th, 2017, 12:31 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on May 19th, 2017, 12:21 PM
Well, that's where I'm a little confused.  Couldn't a pulse simply be a change in dielectric density?

For example with so-called "static electricity", if you have a plastic block sitting on a wooden desk and you rapidly pull it away, you will create a measurable voltage of several hundred and possibly thousands of volts.  This is actually an easy way to destroy sensitive electronic devices.  The physical motion of pulling away creates voltage because of the change in charge density.  I would classify that voltage increase as a pulse, though it's difficult to explain where it actually came from.
yes interesting.
i dont know. maybe because the dielectric field lines are stretched and snap? leaving the charge on the plastic? as if the table and the plastic had formed a dielectric bond?

or would it have to do with rotational speed of the fields that make up the plastic and wood (matter to me is not of particels but fields)

so far as i know a spark, is a collapse of the dielectric field. the lines that were spread, collapse into a single "bundle" of dielectric field lines.

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #52, on May 25th, 2017, 03:54 PM »Last edited on May 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM
We understand vibration and thanks to Dale Pond we know about sympathetic vibration.

What might prove useful is to better understand how vibration is an energy source.  My thought is this form of energy is potential--it can be released out of its self-sustaining condition and become kinetic energy.  Mr. Tesla assumed the same.  It's in the gory details of energy release that we need to become familiar with the mechanics of this process.  Somewhere in the exchange between magnetic energy storage and dielectric energy storage is the key to this complexity.

What we have observed from Nelson's Radiant Box is that a mechanism exists to replenish this energy exchange.  My assumption is based around longitudinal waves that have the ability to kinetically transfer energy at a speed higher than the magnetic field can reciprocate.  This creates an imbalance that nature itself compensates for.  The geometry in Nelson's Radiant Box takes advantage of this speed imbalance.  That should be our focus to fully understand how this geometry is able to do what it does.  We also know from Nelson's first Radiant Box that bifilar pancake coils are optimal, but not a mandatory requirement.  So there is a correlation in geometry--multiple ways to achieve the same effect.

In the coming weeks I hope to explore the pancake coil geometry and make an attempt to determine where the magic tends to manifest itself.  I have three designs for PCB-type pancake coils that I will submit to manufacturing.  With that I have what I think is a suitable pulse driver system that should allow me to test various geometries under a pretty wide range of conditions.  The difficult part in all this is knowing where to look in order to have that "ah hah" moment.  This may take some time, but if it's there, I think I can find it.

#### evostars

« Reply #53, on May 25th, 2017, 04:03 PM »
tnx m@
good to know you are comitted to this.
im in the process to reproduce the longitudinal test of meyl, but with a bifilar coil.
we will get there

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #54, on May 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM »Last edited on May 25th, 2017, 08:43 PM

In other words, whatever we do, we have to love what we do.  As long as we do that, we will converge on the solution, God.  Keep in mind (quite literally), your solution will only work for you and my solution will only work for me.

I'm pretty sure the message Mr. Pond is expressing falls right inline with how Mr. W.B. Smith tried to explain awareness and reality.  It's our awareness of reality that provides us the insight to change our reality.  We create our own destiny.  This may seem like magic--witches and wizards.  It's quite likely this is truly how the universe is wired together.  Thoughts and intentions, guide and control the forms we experience.

As Gunther's tagline states, "If you think you can or you think you can´t, either way you are right."

#### evostars

« Reply #55, on May 26th, 2017, 10:00 AM »
i think i can, i believe i can, i feel i can, i know i can

I will

I am

#### namirha

« Reply #56, on May 26th, 2017, 02:07 PM »Last edited on May 26th, 2017, 02:12 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM
In other words, whatever we do, we have to love what we do.  As long as we do that, we will converge on the solution, God.  Keep in mind (quite literally), your solution will only work for you and my solution will only work for me.
Dale Pond Explains Keely's Water Implosion Device. Giza Pyramid.

Quote
On “Mechanical Occultism”

To come back to experimental researches in the sense of Spiritual Science, we must take a wider view of what scientific method involves. Besides results, something else plays a significant part — the mood in which researches are carried on. Herein lies an important point, which can hardly be given too much thought whenever experimental science is practiced on the basis of Spiritual Science. We must aspire to imbue all experimental work with a sacramental character. This by no means concerns only the experimenter and his co-workers, in whose souls is engraved the injunction that the laboratory table should become an altar. It concerns our whole movement – all the friends who give collaboration and support. In so far as we carry out relevant research in the mood of Spiritual Science, and support it spiritually and financially. We are helping in the task of casting out the demons from our technological environment.
http://www.rsarchive.org/RelAuthors/UngerGeorge/MchOcc_index.php

I wonder how many of you will hold both ends

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/52839-the-origin-of-the-term-free-energy?p=52887#post52887

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #57, on May 27th, 2017, 09:37 AM »
Quote from evostars on May 27th, 2017, 05:37 AM
a screenshot of nelsons center blue coils, with the white dielectric in between them
Two things I see in this image straight away:

1.  The dielectric (as you mention).
2.  Spacing/separation

I suspect this spacing is related to wavelength which in turn defines phase relationship.  My initial guess would be a 90 degree shift, but it could be something far more complex if we take into consideration wave bounce.  Trying to guess about Nelson's experimentation, I'll bet he separated his two BFPCs and noticed something of significance when they where a certain distance apart from each other.  Some kind of condition where each coil's signal was augmented by the other.  Once he found this proper spacing, he likely added the dielectric to ensure this gap did not get changed.

I'm mostly guessing here, trying to walk in Nelson's shoes, thinking out loud.  There's a logical progression of the steps he took, which he directly told me to follow when watching his silent video series.  I'm certain not every step is in those videos, but enough that we should be able to make the needed connections.

#### evostars

« Reply #58, on May 27th, 2017, 10:06 AM »
yes i also thought he used the dielectric to fixate the distance. the dielectric also has a hole in the center.

i also noticed the connections. 6 blue wires.
and at the other side another row of connections.

and then there normaly is a third coil, but in this video he removed it to show power tranfer between regular pancake and bifilar pancake.

Nelson sure is a inspiration. that its possible. but to reproduce. no.  much to frustrating, without solid clues.

the augmentation between the coils, yes, in my mind it is the ring vortex, rotatinf in that white dielectric. getting energy from both sides and giving energy to both (opposite) sides

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #59, on May 27th, 2017, 11:19 AM »
Quote from evostars on May 27th, 2017, 10:06 AM
i also noticed the connections. 6 blue wires.
and at the other side another row of connections.
If each blue coil has six connections, that implies three wires--two certainly bifilar and a monofilar wire too.  But where is this single wire wrapped?  Around the outside?  Inside?   I can't tell for certain.

#### evostars

« Reply #60, on May 27th, 2017, 11:24 AM »
no not the blue coil, the second row is at the left white coil

https://youtu.be/aEZSCNHDYJs
« Reply #61, on May 27th, 2017, 11:26 AM »
so probably 3 connections per coil. perhaps the center tap(bridge between the 2 windings of the bifilar) is included

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #62, on May 28th, 2017, 03:38 AM »Last edited on May 28th, 2017, 11:50 AM
Study, study, study, then study some more...

Here's what I'm thinking Evo:

Four coils:  Two single layer bifilar blue coils in the middle with proper separation--output coils, probably connected in series.  A white side-by-side bifilar coil injected with high amperage signal from board with heatsink/fan.  Clear speaker wire side-by-side bifilar coil injected with high voltage radiant.  Not real sure on the wire routing, but I'm guessing the yellow transformer is part of Nelson's HV Radiant circuit and is probably connected to the clear coil, somewhere after the full-wave bridge rectifier.

I'm not 100% convinced, but pretty close to it--the pancake coil stack is a mixer.  It's mixing the amperage from the high current magnetic field of the white coil with the HV radiant dielectric field of the clear coil.  The two blue coils pick up their respective fields and combine them, amps times volts, in-phase to produce real power, hot electricity.  Unfortunately, this concept seems so simple most are inclined to reject it, even though I've studied it with the Ruslan device ad nauseam.  It's all about the spins, the vortex, the phasing.  If you get them correct, hybrid hot electricity can be produced from its constituent parts.  The whole trick in this is that the back EMF from the load cannot split up again and go to the correct source of the forward EMF.  Essentially the back EMF goes to the wrong place and does not significantly impact either of the two sources at all--it doesn't have the intelligence to know exactly where it originated from.  So with no load pushing back on those sources, there's your opportunity for overunity.   :-)

If I'm correct, Nelson has figured this out.  An idea, a lot of experimenting and a will to make it happen.  That's the trail we are on and we don't have to go it alone as Nelson did.

#### evostars

« Reply #63, on May 28th, 2017, 05:50 AM »
combining the magnetic field with the radiant field.
in other words give power to the voltage.
interesting concept.
one side of the blue coil picking up the magnetic field part and the other picking up the radiant voltage part.
due to phase allignment and spin allignment.

I just did a test looking at what happens when the coils are seperated. i got 2 resonant peaks close together at a distance equal to the radius of the hole.
« Reply #64, on May 28th, 2017, 08:19 AM »
one half of the blue center coil is part of the next bifilar coil field.
while the other blue half is part of the field of the other bifilar coil.

together these 2 blue coil form 1 bifilar coil.

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #65, on May 28th, 2017, 11:11 AM »
There you go Evo.  That's exactly what I was thinking too.  Nelson is a mixologist.  He's figured out what hybrid hot electricity is, its composition and how it's made.  That's what he means when he states pancake coils are more suitable for this application.

#### evostars

« Reply #66, on May 28th, 2017, 11:19 AM »
it will need high voltage to bridge the dielectric.

then its rectified and transferred into the large capacitor bank. due to the large capacitance the  high voltage is slowly loading the caps. to prevent overloading the 400w motor consumes energy. but still the voltage rises to 300V in the capacitor bank (in his last test video of the radiant box)

the radiant side takes low effort, basicly its only high voltage (low amps).
but the other side, is providing the amps? high current low voltage?

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #67, on May 28th, 2017, 12:11 PM »
Amps, magnetic, TEM, close proximity, distance creates loss.

Volts, dielectric, LMD, radiant, distance not a significant factor except for phase relationship.

The push back from the load, BEMF, is also TEM, so its magnetic component will effect whatever it encounters first when trying to find its way back to the source.  It cannot reach the distance necessary to impact the longitudinal, HV radiant source.  This is why the high amperage source has the big heatsink/fan--it will have to dissipate the BEMF from the load.

So if the magnetic source is 12 volts at 3 amps and the HV radiant is 300 (probably higher) volts at 10mA, we get the mixed power of 3 amps @ 300 volts, but the HV radiant side never sees the back EMF--it's dissipated by the magnetic side.

I don't think Nelson's Radiant Box is perfectly mixing the two sources.  Only a slight amount of mixing would be required to achieve unity operation; anything better is pure overunity.  We only need a COP of 1.3 to be self running.

#### evostars

« Reply #68, on May 28th, 2017, 01:16 PM »
and the magnetic side has to be in phase to the dielectric side. so both circuit need to be tuned

. easy would be to take one source for the frequency and use it on both circuits.
« Reply #69, on May 28th, 2017, 01:17 PM »
zvs comes to mind for the high current side

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #70, on May 28th, 2017, 10:23 PM »Last edited on May 28th, 2017, 10:35 PM
Push/Pull is also good and it's tunable.  With Verpies' lossless clamp design you can drive a toroid that then drives the side-by-side bifilar pancake coil with a ton of amps.  I did 300 watts this way no problem.  Connected to a solenoid coil you can get a screwdriver blazing orange.  With a CT I've detected peak to peak current in excess of 100 amps.  The only trouble I ran into is getting enough windings on the toroid, using heavy gauge wire things get pretty tight.  But the more turns you can get, the better the system performs and the more step-down you can get on the secondary.

The beauty of this circuit is that you don't need finely tuned or complex snubbers to keep the MOSFETs from expiring.  If there's no load on the toroid secondary, all that energy gets recycled right back to the power rail.  If you get it right, the system will idle using less than 50mA and draw more than 10 amps under heavy load.

#### evostars

« Reply #71, on May 29th, 2017, 01:11 AM »Last edited on May 29th, 2017, 01:26 AM
thanx for sharing matt!
nice design that is.

for the toroid, what if instead of a ferrite toroid, we used a close looped bundle of copper wire? a spool of windings but without enamel?  a copper ring?

its not magnetic material, but the induced eddy? would create a current with magnetic field?
but counter rotating... only possible if a bifilar coil was used.

#### evostars

« Reply #73, on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM »Last edited on May 30th, 2017, 04:28 PM
Matt, what I found out is that the center hole lessens the magnetic field componend of a bifilar coil, we can use that.
at the same time, the voltage (dielectric field) is still strong.

At the magnetic side of the blue center coil from nelson, we should have a bifilar coil with high amps. this coil will couple via the magnetic field. therefor it needs a center hole with the smallest possible diameter. this gives the strongest magnetic field.
This is coupled to one side of the blue center coil. this blue coil has a relative large hole (i like to think phi ratio).

The other side of the blue coil, is part of the same series connection, so it also starts to flow.  it is coupled to the voltage flow of the first blue coil (magnetic). through the dielectric. the magnetic field is not there.  but the voltage induced is coupled between the 2 coils.
There should be a vortex of dielectirc energy inside the dielectric, that is coupled to the right bifilar coil. Pretty powerfull, because its source is the amperes of the magnetic field.

I think, the other outside bifilar coil, is the output coil. but there, its pure radiant voltage. very energetic, due to its high voltage.

But thats the whole thing i dont like. its so much guessing.

My biggest question, is how is this resonant coupling?
Do we use sine wave for the magnetic field? because that wont work in my mind. not with resonance.
and how does he tune down the resonant frequency. those coils should resonate well above 1MHz. is it tuned down with a cap? or is he capable of using those frequencies with high amps?

For me resonance is the key. it has showed so much strange things to me.
For instance the thing with the caduceus coil. (maybe I'll put it in another video)
when I pulse a bifilar coil into its resonant frequency, I usually connect one end of the coil to ground, so the other end has a  higher voltage swing (like a whipp).
If I connect a caduceus coil in between the ground and the bifilar coil, the resonant voltage goes up a lot higher.
WHY??? I dont know. but it tells me you can easily amplify voltage. thats important to me.

This resonant voltage is from a standing wave. and that's natural (like musical instruments). In my experiments I found out to add the standing waves up, you need them to be out of phase.

So how does this resonance translate to those coils in nelsons system?
If it works from both sides into the middle, how do we match the phase of those 2 systems? So that the field really couple.
its not only frequency that has to be the same, but also phase. tricky. but not impossible.

#### Matt Watts

« Reply #74, on May 31st, 2017, 01:14 AM »
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
Matt, what I found out is that the center hole lessens the magnetic field componend of a bifilar coil, we can use that.
at the same time, the voltage (dielectric field) is still strong.
Very good to know.  I was fussing with the center hole concept and it looks like you now have some empirical evidence as to its purpose.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
But thats the whole thing i dont like. its so much guessing.
There will be some guessing, then testing our guesses to see if we are thinking correctly or not.  No avoiding that.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
My biggest question, is how is this resonant coupling?
Do we use sine wave for the magnetic field? because that wont work in my mind. not with resonance.
and how does he tune down the resonant frequency. those coils should resonate well above 1MHz. is it tuned down with a cap? or is he capable of using those frequencies with high amps?
Ruslan mentioned with his device the HV impulses were on the order of 100 times faster than the sine wave current.  Somehow the dielectric field becomes entangled in the magnetic field.  When this happens, you have the hybrid hot electricity we are familiar with.  Extracting this form of electricity isn't trivial though.  Nelson uses pancake coils, so we know it can be done this way.  Ruslan used the grenade coil; the inductor being subjected with high current sine waves around 15kHz and the Tesla secondary antenna shooting impulses at a frequency of about 1.5MHz.  You time the fast signals to hit on the current peak of the much slower sine wave.  Keep in mind that Nelson popped into the Kapanadze thread at overunity.com and probably picked up some good tips he was able to utilize for his device.  He had already posted his Amazing Oscillator demonstration, so he must have known how the process works, but was striving for something of higher power output.

Something we cannot overlook is the back EMF, which is why I made mention to it.  To test what happens, all we need to do is push power backwards into the output of the pancake stack.  What we should see is less power escaping from the current side input of the pancake stack.  That will tell us if we have the stack configured in such a way to defeat Lenz Law.  If we find such a configuration, then try it forwards and see if power does flow well in that direction.  It goes back to your 180 phase relationship.  We want the back EMF to neutralize itself as much as possible while still allowing the forward EMF to pass through as efficiently as possible.  That's our COP adjustment.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
This resonant voltage is from a standing wave. and that's natural (like musical instruments). In my experiments I found out to add the standing waves up, you need them to be out of phase.
I believe the key is odd harmonics.  This is how you create a square wave from sine waves.  Now imagine if the square wave frequency was 0.0001 Hz, that would essentially be straight DC, all built from odd harmonics.

There's a lot of moving pieces in this device and we have to find then keep straight in our heads what works and what doesn't.