A friendly Hello to everybody, :)
1. General:
my name here is "Optimus", I’m coming from Germany and I’m an automotive engineer. At the moment I’m working as a designer in the field of special machine engineering.
At the very first I would like to say the following to you:
I started my search for an economically way to run combustion engines after I stumbled over Tom Ogle. Quickly after that, I found Stanley A. Meyer. For about a week I have been reading myself into the subject of HHO. At least I found ~Russ, rwgresearch.com, open-source-energy.org and all the other things that you have written here. At least I’m unbelievable impressed and I have no idea how I ever can say appropriate “thank you”. So for real: Thank you very much for sharing this great information with everybody. If we are able to change the world, the only way we could accomplish it, is: open source.
2. Cell Design Discussion:
There are different types of cells, for example dry cells out of plates or Stanley's pipe cell, etc. I would like to ask you which type of cell could be run with a VIC? For running a cell with a DC booster or pulsed DC, dry cells in a plate design a assumed to be most efficient: video
´But can these cells also be operated with a VIC and and still work more efficiently than in a pipe design?
Why did Stanley switched from pipes to a pipe/rod combination?
Is there a need for all the complex milling work and the shape of Stanley’s rods? I mean/think it’s only for getting the water in and out of the cell. If this is correct and the only reason, I think it is an unnecessary complex design. I tried to solve this problem a little bit different, like you may see in the pictures, with 4 in- and outlets integrated into the caps. What do you think?
3. Pipe Dry Cell Proposal:
As first impression to the construction:
I sketched my idea in Inventor 2016. To keep it easy and cheap I want to use either a rod/pipe or a pipe/pipe combination. At the pictures you see pipe/rod, first as a “try-out” single cell. It is only build out of the 1.4404 parts and two plastic caps, means 4 altogether. It’s very easy designed and it will be easy to copy it, if it works like expected. The push creativity and motivation, there are also pictures of an 18 cell block. The plastic parts are more or less complex. For a tryout the shown caps are easy to rotate and drill. The block caps needs to get milled.
Specs:
- 1.4404 rod, d=10mm, L=170mm
- 1.4404 pipe, D=18mm, t=2mm, L=150mm
- H=180mm
- 2mm gap
- 2 plastic caps
- Contacts with sharp screws
Specs:
- 18x cell
- Overall: 190x100x180 [mm] (LxWxH)
4. Brainstorming:
1.) I have found the frequency analysis, described in the Chapter10.pdf and have talked to a former professor of mine for acoustics. He has convinced me that it makes no sense to carry out this analysis, like it’s described. Why? He claimed the following (to keep it short):
- Analyzing the pipes separately is a different story to having them together, or even in the water, because of a drastically change in natural frequencies
- The natural frequencies of pipes are defined by length, diameter, material, etc. (like described before) but also by a standing wave in the pipe and the form of the mentioned wave.
- You can see different types here: Image
- So if you put another pipe inside you change the form of wave inside both pipes
- And another change is seen after putting them into the water
It could be very useful however, to shape the pipes after analyzing them in working conditions and furthermore to trim the natural frequency of the cell to a harmonic of the natural frequency of the water molecule. Sadly I’m not close to have such equipment for myself. So to all acoustic nerds out there: Try to analyze and form a cell that way!
2.) Did anybody bevor considered to use 1.4435 instead of 1.4404? According to the German Wikipedia:
“This material is very similar in composition to the 1.4404 and differs essentially by an increased molybdenum and nickel content. Due to the increased addition of austenite formers such as nickel, the formation of δ-ferrite in the microstructure is reduced or completely prevented. This has the advantage that this steel is not magnetizable. Due to the higher molybdenum content the resistance to pitting (pitting corrosion) is higher than at 1.4404”
Edelstahl
Pitting Corrosion
For me this sounds interesting.
2. My plans:
As a first step I want to build a Dry Cell in strong leaning on Stanley’s WFC. With the WFC I want to run a generator fully on water, like shown here: Chapter 10 . Therefore I need a working cuicit to produce HHO. Because I am a designer and not an electrician, I do not have much experience with circuits. I have some basic knowledge and I can order and build a circuit, but I’m hard with creating more complex circuits like shown here. I have read the whole thread suggested by Lynx:Quote from Lynx on November 24th, 2016, 09:13 PM And it realy helped me to get a better understanding for the VIC and the WFC.
But for the first step I'm fine with a working cicuit and I realy hope one of you has a suggestion :)
A high goal for the futureis to run something like a Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL on HHO. :D
But we’ll go step by step. If it works, I can convince more people to work on it and include much more know how in the development.
I am looking forward to many suggestions from you and a good cooperation to change the world and proof that Stanley (Rest in Peace) was wright and we are able to run cars on water.
Greetings and a very big Thanks to all Stanley researchers.
~Optimus~
1. General:
my name here is "Optimus", I’m coming from Germany and I’m an automotive engineer. At the moment I’m working as a designer in the field of special machine engineering.
At the very first I would like to say the following to you:
I started my search for an economically way to run combustion engines after I stumbled over Tom Ogle. Quickly after that, I found Stanley A. Meyer. For about a week I have been reading myself into the subject of HHO. At least I found ~Russ, rwgresearch.com, open-source-energy.org and all the other things that you have written here. At least I’m unbelievable impressed and I have no idea how I ever can say appropriate “thank you”. So for real: Thank you very much for sharing this great information with everybody. If we are able to change the world, the only way we could accomplish it, is: open source.
2. Cell Design Discussion:
There are different types of cells, for example dry cells out of plates or Stanley's pipe cell, etc. I would like to ask you which type of cell could be run with a VIC? For running a cell with a DC booster or pulsed DC, dry cells in a plate design a assumed to be most efficient: video
´But can these cells also be operated with a VIC and and still work more efficiently than in a pipe design?
Why did Stanley switched from pipes to a pipe/rod combination?
Is there a need for all the complex milling work and the shape of Stanley’s rods? I mean/think it’s only for getting the water in and out of the cell. If this is correct and the only reason, I think it is an unnecessary complex design. I tried to solve this problem a little bit different, like you may see in the pictures, with 4 in- and outlets integrated into the caps. What do you think?
3. Pipe Dry Cell Proposal:
As first impression to the construction:
I sketched my idea in Inventor 2016. To keep it easy and cheap I want to use either a rod/pipe or a pipe/pipe combination. At the pictures you see pipe/rod, first as a “try-out” single cell. It is only build out of the 1.4404 parts and two plastic caps, means 4 altogether. It’s very easy designed and it will be easy to copy it, if it works like expected. The push creativity and motivation, there are also pictures of an 18 cell block. The plastic parts are more or less complex. For a tryout the shown caps are easy to rotate and drill. The block caps needs to get milled.
Specs:
- 1.4404 rod, d=10mm, L=170mm
- 1.4404 pipe, D=18mm, t=2mm, L=150mm
- H=180mm
- 2mm gap
- 2 plastic caps
- Contacts with sharp screws
Specs:
- 18x cell
- Overall: 190x100x180 [mm] (LxWxH)
4. Brainstorming:
1.) I have found the frequency analysis, described in the Chapter10.pdf and have talked to a former professor of mine for acoustics. He has convinced me that it makes no sense to carry out this analysis, like it’s described. Why? He claimed the following (to keep it short):
- Analyzing the pipes separately is a different story to having them together, or even in the water, because of a drastically change in natural frequencies
- The natural frequencies of pipes are defined by length, diameter, material, etc. (like described before) but also by a standing wave in the pipe and the form of the mentioned wave.
- You can see different types here: Image
- So if you put another pipe inside you change the form of wave inside both pipes
- And another change is seen after putting them into the water
It could be very useful however, to shape the pipes after analyzing them in working conditions and furthermore to trim the natural frequency of the cell to a harmonic of the natural frequency of the water molecule. Sadly I’m not close to have such equipment for myself. So to all acoustic nerds out there: Try to analyze and form a cell that way!
2.) Did anybody bevor considered to use 1.4435 instead of 1.4404? According to the German Wikipedia:
“This material is very similar in composition to the 1.4404 and differs essentially by an increased molybdenum and nickel content. Due to the increased addition of austenite formers such as nickel, the formation of δ-ferrite in the microstructure is reduced or completely prevented. This has the advantage that this steel is not magnetizable. Due to the higher molybdenum content the resistance to pitting (pitting corrosion) is higher than at 1.4404”
Edelstahl
Pitting Corrosion
For me this sounds interesting.
2. My plans:
As a first step I want to build a Dry Cell in strong leaning on Stanley’s WFC. With the WFC I want to run a generator fully on water, like shown here: Chapter 10 . Therefore I need a working cuicit to produce HHO. Because I am a designer and not an electrician, I do not have much experience with circuits. I have some basic knowledge and I can order and build a circuit, but I’m hard with creating more complex circuits like shown here. I have read the whole thread suggested by Lynx:
Hello Optimus and welcome :-)
You might want to take a closer look into this thread, http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785
But for the first step I'm fine with a working cicuit and I realy hope one of you has a suggestion :)
A high goal for the futureis to run something like a Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL on HHO. :D
But we’ll go step by step. If it works, I can convince more people to work on it and include much more know how in the development.
I am looking forward to many suggestions from you and a good cooperation to change the world and proof that Stanley (Rest in Peace) was wright and we are able to run cars on water.
Greetings and a very big Thanks to all Stanley researchers.
~Optimus~