PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work

PJ

PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« on August 23rd, 2016, 04:04 AM »Last edited on August 23rd, 2016, 04:06 AM
Ok I've started this new thread for the next Phi torus I am designing and building.

Phi Torus 36 x 51 (or 4 x 5.666666....)

I have worked out how to design the torus to have two wires that loop though the torus x 12 times each and finish at the point they started from.

I will attatch my setout notes which I have tested in 3DS Max and they work perfectly for a maximum wire diameter of 3.5mm which works for the 24 strands of AWG23 that I will be using (torus diameter = 270mm).

I will model up the formers to have holes located next to each wire guide to allow for easier zip tying of the wires in place.

I will hopefully have the modeling completed this Thursday night and start printing Friday.

Cheers

PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #1, on August 23rd, 2016, 03:20 PM »
I couldn't sleep this morning so did some work on the 3D framework for this new coil.
Former is just about complete and is looking perfect :)
Might try finish it tonight.
If I do I'll attatch screen captures and 3D print files etc.
Happy days
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #2, on August 24th, 2016, 04:08 AM »Last edited on August 24th, 2016, 04:09 AM
I have finished the former :)
There will be twelve total and all identical.
I will start printing tomorrow and try to print without 'rafts' as spent hours last time removing the rafts from the prints.
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #3, on August 25th, 2016, 10:40 AM »
ahhhhh looking good!!!!

~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #4, on August 25th, 2016, 12:22 PM »
Thanks Russ :))

Yeah I'm really happy with the design.
Its as close as I can get to the math and phi proportions with two wires so heres hoping it performs well.

Got four formers printed yesterday and should get four more done today.
They wouldn't print without rafts on my Makerbot so rafts it is.
I tested my wire bundle size and it fits perfectly - the new holes aligned with each wire guide hole should make it easier to zip tie each wire crossing.

My plan is to build two coils - one clockwise the other counter-clockwise - and fix them together on top of each other and power each separately from the left and right outputs of the amp.  I saw Daniel Nunez do this with his coils with good results so think it is worth a try with my coils.  In my mind I can see 'north magnets' spiraling into one coil centre clockwise and into the other counter-clockwise and when they come together in the middle they push each other in a new path of least pressure which could possibly be:
1/ into the wires - more voltage
2/ into each coils interior space - building pressure which then pushes into the wires for more voltage
3/ into a holding pattern at the center space
4/ into a flat 'inertial plane' pattern where the two coils meet as per Ken Wheelers theory of magnetism
5/ or something completely different :P

Will see how it goes.

I'll also get a cheep benchtop grinder with induction motor and see if i can power it directly from the coil and see if the watt consumption drops away at particular frequecies etc.

Lots to try

Cheers
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #5, on August 25th, 2016, 12:55 PM »
yeah looking forward to those Tests!

Best of luck getting there! lots of work!!!

~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #6, on August 29th, 2016, 03:46 AM »
Have printed x 12 formers for clockwise coil.
Will print Ring tomorrow then start printing the counterclockwise formers.
Attatched are copies of the stl files.
Cheers
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #7, on August 29th, 2016, 11:45 AM »
:) making progress!

~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #8, on August 29th, 2016, 12:19 PM »
Yes getting there.
Slow and steady :)
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #9, on August 30th, 2016, 05:26 AM »
Framework taking shape for clockwise coil.
7 formers have rafts removed, 5 to go.
PJ

Lynx

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #10, on August 30th, 2016, 07:28 AM »
Very nice :thumbsup2:

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #11, on August 30th, 2016, 11:50 AM »
Thanks Lynx

I think this will be a pretty good setup when complete (and look pretty cool :P)

I have a couple of new testing ideas. These coils create magentic fields that swap from one side of the coil to the other. My initial thought was to do the following:

1/ zip tie the two coils together and set them up so that each is creating like 'poles' where they join - creating a kind of 'motor' that is always 'compressing' like magnets together and seeing if this forces the magnetic fields to flow more into the wires and create more voltage.

The new ideas relate to NOT zip tying the coils together to see if they repel or attract each other in a balanced way:

2/ two coils with like 'poles' together - will they push away like two magnets and want to flip over to join opposite poles or will they push away and find a point of balance - ie 'hover' apart?

3/ two coils with oposote 'poles' together - will they pull together - will there be any voltage increases?

Will be interesting tests.

PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #12, on August 31st, 2016, 05:03 AM »Last edited on August 31st, 2016, 05:05 AM
Framing for clockwise coil completed.
Will hopefully wind first wire bundle tomorrow.

Printing of counter-clockwise framing underway - x 5 formers done.

Am bit tired but getting there. :)

PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #13, on August 31st, 2016, 09:12 AM »
LOOKIN GOOD

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #14, on August 31st, 2016, 12:01 PM »
Thanks Russ
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #15, on September 1st, 2016, 05:33 AM »
Wow this is a tough build.
Getting there.
Am going to need a break after this project.
PJ

Lynx

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #16, on September 1st, 2016, 07:02 AM »
That's some work you got ahead of you, best of luck!

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #17, on September 2nd, 2016, 03:30 AM »
Ok first wire bundle fixed to framework!!!
Good to be making progress and think it is looking pretty good :))
Will hopefully get second wire bundle done over the weekend.
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #18, on September 2nd, 2016, 09:22 AM »
it looks amazing with straight wires!!!! how do you keep them all straight!!! ~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #19, on September 2nd, 2016, 01:50 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on September 2nd, 2016, 09:22 AM
it looks amazing with straight wires!!!! how do you keep them all straight!!! ~Russ
Hey thanks Russ :)
Yeah I like the way the highlights spiral in to the centre.
Keeping the wires straight is not too hard but does require a lot of patience and a lot of zip ties.
After I strung up the 24 strands of 0.5mm wire I zip tied the strands together at about 500mm centres to hold the strands together into one wire bundle.
As I assembled the wire onto the frame I zip tied every connection - that takes a lot of patience.
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #20, on September 4th, 2016, 02:47 PM »
I've now finished the counter-clockwise coil framework (just have to glue it).
Ran out of black so this one is blue :)

Taken a shortcut with this one and only removed enough of the print 'rafts' to allow for assembly - removing all parts of rafts takes hours and as much as I would prefer the frames to look perfect it is not critical to the build.
Might start the second wire bundle for the black coil tonight.
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #21, on September 6th, 2016, 09:26 AM »
i like that blue!

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #22, on September 6th, 2016, 02:52 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on September 6th, 2016, 09:26 AM
i like that blue!
Cheers Russ :)

I've nearly finished winding the second wire bundle on the black coil then will start the blue.

I've been thinking about how to best connect the wires in each bundle.
There are 24 wires per bundle - I was originally just going to connect all 24 wires together so they act like 1 wire looping through the coil (1x24).
I was thinking that the coil may create voltage peaks when there are less combined wires looping through the coil and if so this might allow for more amps / watts- ie. I create x 2 wires with x 12 connected wires each (2×12).  Or 4x6, 8x3, or finally none connected 24x1.
So what I will do is work in reverse to what I have written above and start with none connected 24x1 and see if it gets spikes (unlikely), then join wires to make 8x3 and test (possible), then join to make 4x6 (possible), then join again to 2x12 (quite possible), then if none of these work I join all to make 1x24 which I know works.
Getting there
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #23, on September 7th, 2016, 04:03 AM »
Right black clockwise coil now wound - only wire connections to go.

Will start winding the blue counter-clockwise coil tomorrow night :)
PJ

fractalfieldfx

Re: PJ's 36 x 51 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #24, on September 7th, 2016, 10:48 AM »
PJ you are very skilled. Thanks for sharing.