Thanks fractalfiekdfx :)
When I finish the second coil and mount it on the first this should look pretty cool and hopefully the two combined will create a better amplification of both magnetic field and electrical output.
PJ

I won't have a 3d printer and stuff. I can't wait until I can build the one I am seeing. Will probably jus cut some metal or another material for the forms. I have been thinking about how materials will affect, and if using a ferrous material for a core would affect in bad way or good way. I have been thinking also about how form geometry can couple with the coil. If the "gap-space" is an integral part of the sequencing on the coil. Maybe air gaps could be exchanged with another material that is better responsive than an air gap. I'm assuming the gap is where the dielectric shear is.

It's the place where the doubling circuits Nested Vortices form a pinch where the real phase conjugation occurs and the wave velocities tap the phi harmonic pathway and it becomes a heat sink to where resistance fades as the pulsing of the coil seeks to either entrain with the harmonic pathway or is eaten up with resistance and heat.

And just as a collapsing mag field causes back emf, so do does the dielectric counter space have impedance or reactance to over come. So if the coil can over come dielectric impedence and provide a pathway for the medium to react on the right geometry, as the pressure gradient of that medium decompresses into time and space it forms the conventional EM fields common to electrical science which in turn act on the coil.

Sorry I am rambling a bit, but I just had a thought. Has anyone proven or demonstrated how the coil outputs higher voltages?

What might be really interesting PJ is having a Rodin coil wrapped with steel wire.  I just have a funny feeling how the magnetic fields may interact with the wire itself.  Using steel wire will also raise the resistance slightly closer to the actual impedance of the coil.  Could be a hoot to see the wires jumping all over the place when in operation.

I was just wondering.. you have 12 formers. So then I guess this build puts to rest the 11 former caveat to the VBM? You can wind the coil just fine with 12 formers?

Quote from fractalfieldfx on September 7th, 2016, 04:04 PM

I won't have a 3d printer and stuff. I can't wait until I can build the one I am seeing. Will probably jus cut some metal or another material for the forms. I have been thinking about how materials will affect, and if using a ferrous material for a core would affect in bad way or good way. I have been thinking also about how form geometry can couple with the coil. If the "gap-space" is an integral part of the sequencing on the coil. Maybe air gaps could be exchanged with another material that is better responsive than an air gap. I'm assuming the gap is where the dielectric shear is.

It's the place where the doubling circuits Nested Vortices form a pinch where the real phase conjugation occurs and the wave velocities tap the phi harmonic pathway and it becomes a heat sink to where resistance fades as the pulsing of the coil seeks to either entrain with the harmonic pathway or is eaten up with resistance and heat.

And just as a collapsing mag field causes back emf, so do does the dielectric counter space have impedance or reactance to over come. So if the coil can over come dielectric impedence and provide a pathway for the medium to react on the right geometry, as the pressure gradient of that medium decompresses into time and space it forms the conventional EM fields common to electrical science which in turn act on the coil.

Sorry I am rambling a bit, but I just had a thought. Has anyone proven or demonstrated how the coil outputs higher voltages?

Wow FFX that is some serious thinking!!
I come from a non electronics background so I'm starting to learn a few of the terms you have used but don't really have a good understanding of them.

I am on a journey of discovery and learning with the aim to try and do some good.

On the learning side the biggest mysteries currently to me (and to most people) are what  is magnetism and electricity? Current theories of electrons, protons and neutrons don't gel with me and as noone had actually seen any of these things yet they are just theories and up for questioning.
So far the best theory that gels with me for magnetism and electricity is Ed Leedskalnin's theory of Magnetic Current - this simplifies magnetism and electricity down to two components which Ed refers to as North Magnets and South Magnets which move forward in a clockwise / corkscrew way - a bit yin yang which i like :)
Ed's theory gels with Marko Rodins vortex math theory which also rang true for me.  The math in my mind is more accurately describing how Eds magnets move in a spiral way - the paths they follow.
The coils I have designed are based on the math, phi proportions and with Ed's theory in mind so yes - the spacing between wires is important.
Essentially energy / Ed's magnets follow certain rules - i believe they will always flow where there is less 'pressure'.
The greatest thing that i believe determines the direction these magnets  move is if there is the opposite type of magnet ahead as they really want to pull through each other. The next most important thing i believe is the medium they flow through - they move slowly through air but much prefer to move through metal as they can move faster.
Another interesting rule / theory by Ed is that magnets move forward in / around wire in a clockwise rotational matter and when there are too many mahnets for the wire they are released in a 90 degree direction to the wire.

So....with the coil the design is very specific to all these ideas.
A signal leaving an amplifier in a sine wave initially starts from very low energy / magnets so these magnets quite happily travel into the magnet wire of the coil.  Positive / North magnets into one wire and Negative / South magnets into the other but running in the opposite direction (I will draw some diagrams for all this a bit later).
As the wire is insulated the magnets follow the entire length of each connected wire until they reach the end of the wire - I think this is quite important as this sets the desired path for all magnets to follow as the signal rises.
So the sine wave starts to go up increasing the amount of magnets that flow and they happily follow the path of other magnets and the metal though they are starting to get crowded and are pushing out futher from the wire into the insulation zone.
The sine wave goes higher and the magnets are pushed out further from the wire - they are looking for somewhere else to go and it is at this time that they find the opposite kind of magnets going around the neighbouring wire (coming towards them) at the point where the wires are closest - the centre of the coil - at which point the magnets jump wire with north magnets pulling/flowing through south magnets- the two separate wire bundles now have both magnets running through them (electricity / magnetic current).
The sine wave builds and the two closest wire in the coil become like one wire with both magnets flowing around them - hense the larger gap space is important to allow this flow.
The sine wave goes higher until the magnets have no room to flow around the wires - at this time I believe all wires are overcrowded and magnets start being thrown off at 90 degrees from the wires - it is here that the geometry of the coil / wires / torus shape really comes into play.  North magnets thrown off inone direction meet south magnets thrown in the oposite direction which i believe creates a flow pattern / field around the outside of the coil - possibly setting up a kind of tornado shape which possibly helps suck in more magnets into the system.  It is also possible the thrown off magnets set up a new field inside the torus as well.
The sine wave reaches its peak then drops back  to the middle and the magnet flow drops in the coil however the field may remain.
As the sine wave drops below the middle the opposite kind of magnet are pushed out along the wires causing the magnets to chsnge direction (alternating current).
At certain frequencies the coil geometry creates a more harmonious flow and the voltage readings peak.

With a single coil as the current alternates the magnetic concentrations swap as well from north to south etc.

Therefore using two coils - one clockwise the  other counter-clockwise joined together the wires at the point of contact line up perfectly. 
The coils are wired so that as the current alternatives like magnets are directed together at the centre where the two coiks meet creating an even higher pressure.

The hope is that this high pressure at the middle forces the magnets into a new path - into the wires for more voltage, into awider outer loop around the coil, into the inside of each coil, into a flat dialtric inertial plan as described by Ken Wheeler or something totally different but hopefully the magnets / energy is kept in the system and provides more watts power output.

Well that was a bit of written release of some of the thoughs going into the work i have done so far and the work still to go.

The thoughts I know are fairly unconvetional however they all gel with ne and feel right so I'm going to keep going with the flow to see how deep this rabit hole goes :P

I hope some of you enjoy what i have written.

Cheers PJ

Quote from Matt Watts on September 7th, 2016, 04:12 PM

What might be really interesting PJ is having a Rodin coil wrapped with steel wire.  I just have a funny feeling how the magnetic fields may interact with the wire itself.  Using steel wire will also raise the resistance slightly closer to the actual impedance of the coil.  Could be a hoot to see the wires jumping all over the place when in operation.

Hi Max
Sounds like an interesting idea.
Ill leave this to you to build :P
After I finish and fully test these two coils - if they dont perform well - I'll likely go on to something else for a while - I have some Ed Leedskalnin flywheel research I want to get back to and Im also interested in the space / time antenna.....
PJ

Quote from fractalfieldfx on September 7th, 2016, 09:27 PM

I was just wondering.. you have 12 formers. So then I guess this build puts to rest the 11 former caveat to the VBM? You can wind the coil just fine with 12 formers?

Yes the 11 identical formers is just one way of creating a coil framework for a particular wiring path.
You can use any number of formers to hold the wires but they may not necessarily be identical depending on the wire path and proportions of the torus you are creating.
It has taken me a fair bit of thinking to understand how the paths are created relating to the math.
The simplest way i can explain it is like this - imagine a circle with a single point on it which will be the centre of your wire path.
The circle is rotating at a constant speed (either clockwise or counter-clockwise).  This circle is moving forward at a constant speed and is following a circular path so that the sweep path is a torus shape.
If you follow the point on the circle as it moves around the torus you get the path for the wire.
So for the coils i have designed i first created 3D paths for the wires then created 3d formers which i cut out where the wire paths passed through them.  A fairly complex process.
If you want to create this latest coil I have designed but you dont have a 3d printer you could still download the 3d .stl files and pay to have them printed - I'm sure it shouldn't cost too much?
PJ

PJ I appreciate you comments. The idea i am trying to bring to the fore is exactly inline with what you are describing. I like that you have watched ken wheeler's stuff.

It will take some endurance to get through this post but I promise it is stimulating. Someone in the chat room said something about theorycrafters and how at one point you have to step out of theorizing and starting doing some testing. I get it and respect the comment. But I am seeing is a huge gap between the math and the coil designs. I can't understand how if we are to create the fingerprint of god in a coil that there is not rigorous dissection of it's ratios. So effectively what I see happening is that if the coil design is not launched with the proper ratios, then all the testing and power measurements and what not is not reflecting the essence of the math, the thing that displays the angular interactions of field geometries and polarity balances/spin orientation and velocity of the doubling/halving circuits.

So what could happen is that there is actually no spires being created at all, and if there are spires rotating over the surface of the coil they aren't phased properly. It's like a v8 only running on 6 cylinders. So picture trying to get over unity of usable power out of a coil that only hits the spires in out of phase spurts. There will be no phase matching to actually tap the doubling/halving power of the spire. Which is a fractal of the FNG circuits. If we want over unity then I think it is important to see that what a spire actually is is a phase conjugate wave/vortex envelope that tracks the pathway(s) of least resistance which is the actual impedence necessary to get the dielectric inertial plane to spit out pressure. The etheric pressure needs a pathway out of uniform flux, if it is to densify and perform work. The work being the creation of angular velocities of vortexes that become electromagnetism.

The gist of what I interpret that Marko is saying, and infact I think I remember him saying it explicitly is that the 9 energy is what comes from the ether. At the angles of it's trajectory are the conventional electric and magnetic fields.

So effectively what we have is one pathway of energy interacting with itself forming angles of energy of different spin and velocity states.

Now when the pathways of this energy meet's itself there set's up a node. I believe these to be the nodes of geometric figures. Their static 2d geometry on up to their stellation and tessellation velocities that produce hyper forms and which are the periodic table of elements as we know it today.

Back to the formers. You can change the path of the spiral through the formers by changing the slots around the circumference. However when it comes to matching the spiral to the hyper geometries of angular forces meeting at nodes.. what 11 sided geometric figure can you name?

Sorry i'm just off work and trying to capture my thoughts so if this post is a bit erratic I will try to clarify it more in the future.

Over 10 years ago I started following the theories and work of Daniel Winter. I have not been the best groupie so I can't name all the things he's done nor all the specifics. But the gist of his work deals with the idea that waves (ie vortices) either meet constructively or destructively. The key for their constructive interference is the phi ratio. So when waves meet in the phi ratio something happens called phase conjugation. Rather than the wave envelopes sputtering out in entropic fashion, instead they increase velocity and reverse direction, effectively turning inside out. He describes it as the pathway to infinity pretty much. Phase conjugation appears to be very very important when it comes to combating entropy and losses of efficiency that are dissipated as the result of not being focused correctly. In an analogy it's like the difference between sun light and a laser. So we can create a parabolic mirror to join the energy from the sun, and focus it to a specific direction and distance, amplifying it's power.

I find it similar to the ideas of the big bang. Some people have proposed a similar principle but smaller big bangs that occur constantly, as in the Universe is perpetually creating itself in a complete negentropic process, the inverse of Big Bang theorists and net entropic systems.

So if we picture the ether as a pressure well, the decompression of it results in the shapes and behaviors of our sensory reality. The process of ether releasing pressure (we will have to define that type of pressure later on) itself is entropic as we can clearly see in the universe and in everything. Everything seems to die at some point and become recycled. But the nature and expanse of the Universe shows some proofs to the idea that the function of ether pressure itself is negentropic.

So even though energy can neither be created nor destroyed per our physical laws of man as observed in the process of natural systems, where then is the source of this energy and what are the rules to how it moves.

Sorry I have to get philosophical here just to frame the argument somewhat. Imagine if you were a flash of sentience (god) and in that "moment" you realised a complex associative process in an instant. You realized the expanse of your essence, that it went on to infinity and you became both curious and fearful of that unknown. Your awareness created feedback ripples that began to increase in amplitude much like facing two mirros exactly onto each other. Have you ever seen it? Two mirros facing each other and you catch your figure in them, and the reflections form a curve going to infinity.

Now picture a box.. it has a fixed volume and dimensions. Edges apexes, ratios, etc.. How much can you fit in it? There are differences in shape and density etc

How can you cram infinity into a fixed dimension box? Enter the phi ratio..

So you realised that in order for your power to become ordered and non chaotic it had to follow a few simple rules. Of course the pathway to this knowledge was supported by cause and effect and the scientific method inadvertently was harnessed to develop a means of organisation that was able to tap the power of infinity and order it's process so that the ether actually could decompress it's pressure into a feedback loop that searched all possible ratios and combinations so that eventually something could crystallize out of the possibility. Without progress, theoretically, if the infinite pressure of the ether possibility was unable to find an ordering system
of it's potential then the net result of the system would remain entropic and all potentials that try to break the impedence of the flow of ether would result in dissipation of possibility.

That still may be the case. We may be living in a world of perpetual entropy with perpetual negentropic possibilities. So as I see it, even if it is not possible to set the decompression of etheric pressure in motion to overcome the necessity of ordering possibilities (systems) it still may be possible to channel the decompression into a pathway that provides a well of resistance to entropic urges to balance the system.

Life itself is proof of asymmetric distribution of possibility. THe fact that it appears to phase from life to death is proof of symmetrical urges to balance. Does that make sense?

Just like Suns. They are created ( no one knows how it seems) they live and as they live they provide environment for other systems to live. Yet, they appear to pass through a birth, maturity, death phase that is hardly foreign to any point of interest man can see in the universe.

However.. for a time whatever allows the Sun to overcome instantaneous entropic balancing to a uniform substrate is what I feel the Phi ratio is.

God/Ether has found a way to harness it's potential in reference to itself. This is self similarity. But you cannot pack more into a finite space than it's dimensions will allow. That's what I think that the universe itself is finite, but that universe itself has infinite possibility. How to organize this system into a space that allows multiple scenarios to play out on the infinite possibilities versus the finite probabilities that these systems will play nice and attempt to occupy the same space, use the same source of energy, and dissipate their energies onto themself.

Because if they don't, it's a sure bet that the asymmetry created between them is unstable and will become immediate dissipation. Picture knowing ahead of time that something will not work. If you are convinced you will never begin the journey to discover. That is and analogy of system impedance, or the resistance to change in inertia. Now the possibility of a lasting journey begins with the curiosity. That never born never to die curiosity is the phi ratio which is the etheric/counter-space/dielectric inertial plane impedance which is the god chemistry of uniform unrealized substance. So although the possibility remains that all creations will subsist to entropic dissipation, there is still the voltage of possibility of combinations and expressions. So now as the intial quanta of etheric impedance is matched does the uniform substance begin to differentiate itself into multiples of quanta. IE: the doubling halving circuits and in specific mitosis. And we come full circle on the periodic table of elements. This Poo is all connected with the vortex math.

Now, how to take the decompression of ether as the creation of matter and energy at angles to it's propagation and turn it inside out so that the system will have a self similar moment and overcome the impedance necessary to compress or decompress itself. Hello this is the vortex, the torus, mobius, whatever you wanna call it.

Ok now after all that jazz back to the coil...

We can phi ratio it on the ID to OD, and the circumference of a circle. Now if we wrap that torus with circuits... this is where I feel the problem arises, does basic phi geometry demonstrate itself at the intersections of the circuits or if in the case of the 2 circuit bifilar winding with the gap space, there would need to be inference of where the nested vortice circuits are located. Meaning, where is the square? The rectangle, the icosahedron, et all. Sure using a circle it is easy to find those in 2d form, it is readily visible relative to the axis angle you are viewing the coil from, say top down. Now, take that axis and move it so the point of view shows an angular cross section relative to the original axis. Does the pathway movement of the axis remain true to geometry and phi proportioning?

This is what Stan Tenen of Meru foundation did, and supposedly and even with court documents sued Daniel Winter over i guess a sort of intellectual property battle over who discovered that taking a phi spiral and rotating it to different spin axis orientations produced hebrew alphabet. Someting along those lines I see happening inside the geometry of the coil. Energizing it is a whole other ball game.

With 12 or multiples thereof or 3 or 4 multiples of disection of the circle can demonstrate the phi association in the derviative geometries within a 12 or 3 or 4 multiple sided figure. Ok so nunuez coil for instance. 11 formers with 12 slots for the wire.

With all my talk and rambling I am trying to paint some pathways of my thinking and to direct them to the major point. What kind of geometry of the spiral with 11x12 = 132.. versus 12x12=144? You see, if the ratio of formers to slots is not fractal then how will the coil spiral be fractal?

Effectively I see this as similar to how the early rodin coil winding nodes that Randy Powell said they are "cutting across the doubling circuits"

So if you take the 11 former and ratio it to the circle you get 32.72727272727272727272727273****  so whatever nested vortice circuits that happen to form along the circumference of the former, related to the whole geometry of the coil they just might form at fractal angles, in the case of 12, 12 slots on the former  would provide angular geometry that is fractal to the vortex math.... but see here that having only 11 formers itself causes a fractionated geometry AROUND the pathways of the circuits. So the coil windings might hit some angles to form the NVC's but in effect because there is 11 and not 12 those spirals are cutting across the real VBM doubling circuit/ spires. I am not saying this is proof or I am saying that it is wrong. I am just brain storming because something just doesn't feel right.

So I am seeing the winding as OUT OF PHASE with the former slots. See where I'm going?

The geometry must phase properly, in the phi ratio, to produce conjugation, and more importantly phase conjugation of the nested vortice circuits who reverb is reflected onto a tap!

When you have two wires for the bifilar on the circuit not only is there the possibility that the former versus slot geometry is not fractalized, causing the spiral to cut across true phi ratios, but if the windings are energized what space is left in the medium to have Over Unity?

I'm sure that becomes much more difficult because of the limitations of the materials used, the electronics, etc, and it's ability to respond in phase to the resonance with ether pressure, dielectricty/diamagnetism, whatever you want to call it. It is the uniform substrate potential, the virtual particle flux.. etc

Rather if one were to create a coil, where the doubling circuit pathways and their respective counter angles when energized create the pressure pathway of the dielectric inertial plane to come out without arcing or without dissipating in resistance, where the shear plane of opposing spin vortexes heterodyne to the phase conjugation of the dielectric medium = phi ratio, and put a TAP in the shear plane, ie: between the doubling circuits, then there is a way to actually provide a pathway for that energy to move into and create the decompressive electromagnetics modern science is accustomed to. The tap shear intersects the phase conjugation node of opposing vortices providing a reverse pathway for the ether's phase conjugation to COME OUT.


The short version is I think there needs to be a model to make sure that the spiral winding of the coils follows a true fractal in 3d and not one in 2d. The doubling circuit orientation of the VBM proves that the phi spiral happens in 3d and now when we tessellate it it must show 4d oscillations of polarity that fractalize. And in this case I mean rotation of the fields through the FNG circuits. That's what's happening i believe, phi tessellation. I guess to test this little paragraph here (and pardon me if I don't know already the facts) that there are rules to follow for finding fractal geometry in 2d and 3d and 4d. We live in 4d obviously. Is there proof that shows a 2d fractal creates a 3d fractal and that creates a 4d fractal when it moves?

So how fractal is 11x12=132 vs 12x12=144

Ok so I think this is the difference between entropic iterations and negentropic iterations. If we ratio the circle by 11 we get a repeating decimal. If we ratio the circle by 12 we get a whole number. A note here is that 12 is a 1/4 division of the 9 modulo when it comes to the circle. So 12 is a 1/4 phase ratio to the 9 modulo so effectively I think 12 is a harmonic of the 9. I'm picturing in my mind a 9 value sine wave with a 12 ( or 3) value wave harmonic that is forwards in time. So if 9 occupies a time space domain, it's 12 harmonic is actually in the future relative to it.

I think this line of thinking is shining some light on the 7 and how it is the only number in the 9 modulo that when ratios the circle produces a repeating decimal and not a whole number. But not only a repeating decimal but one that has a pattern to it's repetition

360/7=51.428571428571

And by the circle that could be any number. Because any real number divided by 7 produces the repeating decimal in the same pattern it does not deviate. Ok so this ties into the 7 days of the week and the music and all that jazz. Not to stray too far away from the fence, but real numbers divided by 11 produce an oscillating repeating sequence... for example 8/11=.7272727272727272****
And it appears that all modulo 9 numbers when divided by 11 produce repeating opposites of the FNGs and in that progression of 9 modulo they have their opposite FNGs at specific angles or fractions of each other

1/11=.0909090909
2/11=.1818181818
3/11=.2727272727
4/11=.3636363636
5/11=.4545454545
6/11=.5454545454
7/11=.6363636363
8/11=.7272727272
9/11=.8181818181
10/11=.909090909

So I'm just trying to brain storm this out to get an idea of how coil geometry in IT'S TOTALITY is going to match to the math, where the math simply describes the family number groups, the halving and doubling, and where these jump octaves in the growth spiral of the fractal.

More to come...

Want to apologize for  posting all those idea's on your thread. I don't want to clutter or derail what you are doing. It's just that some of what you said got my spinning in the brain and I needed to get it out. Picture that I haven't really sought a community for a long time it's been just me and my thoughts.

I believe in the simple explanation of Ed's magnets... but what get's a little more complicated is what instances arise from just those 2? And the 2 is doubling and halving... there may be 2 magnets one north one south and corresponding rotation, but try nesting them together at different angles of intersection... that's where it begins to fractalize.

A question to that would be well, do the like  individual magnets couple to each other to produce a whole number ratio magnet with the same qualities velocities angles paths as the individual ones?

By a simple analogy I don't think so. Picture an apple... now put another one with it.. it doesn't make one apple but two apples and no two apples appear to be exactly alike. So it may be that no two magnets are exactly alike either, but that they either constructively couple as in phi ratio, or destructively un couple as in complete or eventual dissipation of the system... and this thought brings my mind to the periodic table... and back to Randy's comments about how he was modelling it.. but here to fore I have not seen any work from that. I'm not in the inner clique either.. I imagine it's similar to the spiral periodic table with weights and details transliterated into modulo 9 speak.

But I'm going on again... because those thoughts lead back to Ed and prime quadruplets..... that's a whole other story, and most definitely incorporates into the VBM an, I imagine, how the phase nodes of intersecting waves get a priority matching

Because the higher the bandwidth and velocity of a substance moving through a conductor if there is to be no resistance there needs to be a priori on how the system is going to handle intersecting flow. The priori system to mass envelope convergences is phi and that just so happens to be in the middle of a certain prime quadruplet, and he says... if you wanna get in here you have to go this way and you better get in line. Time Lord.. i'm sure there are tunnels and back doors etc to jumping growth exponents but even they have Time Lords with strict rules... or else..face the fire... ie: burn up and dissipate.

A wave can't just walk up to another wave and punch it in the face and say this is my spot now... chances are that wave will piss off the whole line of other waves who are obeying the rules and the lone wave's qualities are most likely not able to overcome the wave's who are locked into the phi priori system of organisation. If the lone wave tries to implant itself into the envelope of phi it better get fractal or else it will be torn to shreds and dissipate when it's up against a super luminal shear. You remember the 2002 remake of Time Machine? There's a scene where the scientist is battling the psycho kinetic underworld king inside the time machine as it is moving through time. When the bad guy gets knocked out of the time bubble he ages very quickly and turns to dust.

So finding a space to sit in the universe is kind of like walking into a packed stadium with no seats. There are other objects to use for seats but you would look like an odd ball if you were viewing the game from the steps and not in the other seats like everybody else. To blend in you would have to find a seat where there are none, and how would you do that? Well you would have to change your size so you can fit. Maybe your seat would be the arm rest of one of the other seats occupied by "normal" sized people. But now you have shrunk your size (your ratio) to where your geometry, mass, volume is comfortable to sit on the arm rest. So now you blend in with the collective and are not a nusiance to someone who is trying to get to the bathroom... you and your popcorn and soda and candy all sprawled out on the stairs...

Food for thought.

Hi FFX
That is some serious thoughts going on there!
I can relate to quite a bit of what you are saying (and am lost a bit on some of your ideas)
I am very glad for your post nevertheless- I think we share some common ideas.
With regards to the simplicity of comming back to Eds north and south magnets i have some ideas i will post soon on my thoughts how Eds mahnets may be fractal in nature with the ability to possibly be infinitly small just as the universe is possibly infinitly large.
Thanks again for your thoughts
PJ

First wire bundle now wound on counter-clockwise coil :)
Will be taking a break for a few weeks as I am getting married.
....to be continued...
PJ

Quote from PJ on September 13th, 2016, 03:54 AM

First wire bundle now wound on counter-clockwise coil :)
Will be taking a break for a few weeks as I am getting married.
....to be continued...
PJ

Congrats!!!!! those coils look good! and enjoy your wedding!!!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on September 21st, 2016, 12:46 PM

Congrats!!!!! those coils look good! and enjoy your wedding!!!

~Russ

Thanks Russ :)

Ive been pretty busy with life in general with very little time available at for all this fun stuff however I've managed to squeeze in an evenings work and i now have the second wire bundle wound onto the counter-clockwise coil.

There's a chance i might get some more time over the Christmas break so hopefully I can start some tests then.

Cheers
PJ

Beautiful :thumbsup2:

those look so good with the straight wire! ~Russ

Yeah they do look pretty sweet :))
I am very much looking forward to start testing - have a bunch of ideas to go through.

Ok I have completed the initial testing of the clockwise coil.

The results are ok but not quite as I was hoping.

There are two wire bundles for this coil and each wire bundle is made from 24 individual wires.  With previous coils I would take each individual wire and loop it back onto another to connect this into one wire looping through 24 times.
My thoughts were that maybe the coil might still 'activate' (have voltage spikes) when not all wires are looped together.  Eg. No looping = 24 wires, 8 wires each looping 3 time, 4 wires each looping 6 times, 2 wires each looping 12 times or 1 wire looping 24 times.

I tested each of these configurations and the first configuration where the voltage started to spike was with 4 wires x 6 loops.
There was only one voltage spike which is a bit unusual but it was a good one at 57 020 Hz which is the highest Ive ever had (previously 40 193Hz), multimeter max'd out at 113v before reading overload which is lower than Ive achieved before (300v steady) so Im assuming the voltage spikes in the background are a little unsteady, but the watt reading off the wall was good at only 30W which is about the idle wattage used by the amp.

The 2 wire x 12 and 1 wire x 24 did not perform as well as the 4 x 6 which is unexpected so the best configuration is 4 x 6 loops but with only 1 spiking frequency I am concerned that the counter-clockwise coil when wired to 4 x 6 loops may not have a similar volatage spike frequency and hence when I join the coils together to run combined two coil testing they might not perform as well....time will tell.

Tomorrow night i will start wiring the counter-clockwise coil to 4 x 6 loops and run some tests and let you know how it goes.

Cheers
PJ

nice work PJ,

looks good.

thanks for posting!

~Russ

I wired up the counter-clockwise coil tonight and did some tests - it got similar spikes at similar frequency which is good.

I fixed the two coils together.

Unfortunately i dont have the correct splitter for the signal generator so can only output one speaker/channel whereas i was hoping to use both to send matching signals to both coils.

I decided to do one test where i connect the amp to one coil only then take the output of that coil and feed that into the second coil.  The test results for this were poor.

I will try source a signal splitter  and run more tests and will let you know how I go.

At present it is not looking overly positive.

Hey ho.

All the best

PJ

Hi guys,

I made a couple of small bifilar 1 inch diameter vortex coils to test over the holidays at low DC.
The results were mixed.

The small coil with batteries  alone:

There appeared to be a gain looped back to a battery under a load.

That was finally cast in doubt with a double blind  6 volt battery test 2 side by side with the coil on only one of the batteries.

Both had a bulb load self looped back to the battery. Both batteries were charged to the same voltage.
Got a half box of Phillips 1156CP 26.9 watt DC bulbs.

After 15 minutes there was an identical draw to the 100th of a volt both with and without the coil.

The gauges earlier showed that the input output could split their value to opposing sides of the coils
when looped back to the battery. Yet the double blind test failed. Oh well that was at a low voltage
and amperage uncontrolled.

The latest motor generator showed signs of momentum and acceleration. These are 6 v 8500
RPM Johnson DC motors made for torque and durability in appliances. The motors are more
inefficient in straight input output that the RC motors I used in earlier tests. They take a high
amp to start this way 4.5 or so at 3.4 volts or so. They have interesting curved graphite brushes.

Some conditions from the lab power supply showed acceleration and a voltage increase
and I had to lower the amperage as the voltage kept rising on the power supply. The power
supply is supposed to be holding constant if untouched on wattage.

So I ordered some diodes to put between the power supply and the motor generator.
I just got them today but I did not expect them to be so tiny supposed to be 500 Watt max.
New technology IC diodes.


 

       

interesting test guys,

thanks for posting. this project really encourages me :)

here is an old video i recorded with my daughter

https://youtu.be/rQrkXMx3uXg

ill get back to it soon enough!

~Russ