New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon

haxar

New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« on December 1st, 2011, 03:36 PM »Last edited on December 1st, 2011, 07:08 PM by haxar
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I just finished uploading a new unseen before video of Stan and his brother Steve testing the VIC system and testing the engine.This is only 30 minutes of the whole video.I will be uploading the rest when I'm sure this one worked first.It may take a little while before the video is ready,but here's the link to it.
Enjoy,Don
Source: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2216.0.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-FgsE7s4YY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPeQV153GPo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x90XqjIK6g

~Russ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #1, on December 2nd, 2011, 03:38 AM »Last edited on December 2nd, 2011, 03:38 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985


thanks haxar, you beat me to it!

I will also be uploading these to the site for direct download.

~Russ

phil

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #2, on December 2nd, 2011, 07:13 AM »
Those injectors he was playing with look like ordinary fuel injectors off a car. Glad I saw this coz that's what I had in mind for the moped.

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RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #3, on December 2nd, 2011, 01:48 PM »
Rare Appearance by Matt the wandering nomad, good work boys!

Jeff Nading

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #4, on December 3rd, 2011, 05:43 AM »
I just watch the first video of Stan and his brother Steve, all I can say is awesome. :cool::D I would like someone to tell me now it's all fake!:@ This is proof of the pudding here.:P Did you see the vic coil?:cool: It looks just like the printed vic bobbin that Nate printed out and sent to Russ, just awesome.:P Thanks Alex, haxar and Russ.:D

KevinW_EnhancedLiving

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #5, on December 4th, 2011, 11:37 AM »
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        Tony Quinn
        Just a thought!! i think most of stans kit for running the engine could maybe be done by just remapping a cars ECU, I have never done any remapping myself but someone might be able to tell me if that is possible,most ECU control all the things stan shows in his new vid,apart from the VIC circuits,so it might be possible just to program ECU's instead off building them,and they can be picked up in scrap yards all over the world for just a couple of dollars, Any thoughts anyone?

waqas148

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #6, on December 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM »
After watching the video part related to VIC card testing, does anyone noticed an important thing that the scanning frequency was well within audible range.... which is very thoughtful

haxar

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #7, on December 4th, 2011, 01:34 PM »
Quote from waqas148 on December 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM
After watching the video part related to VIC card testing, does anyone noticed an important thing that the scanning frequency was well within audible range.... which is very thoughtful
Yes, the VIC circuit is well within the audible range of 0 through 20 or 24kHz. Stan specifically said in the 1989 New Zealand video lecture was the range to tune into resonance was up to 10kHz depending upon the contaminants in the water and others regarding how the resonant cavity is constructed.

firepinto

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #8, on December 4th, 2011, 08:02 PM »Last edited on December 4th, 2011, 08:02 PM by firepinto
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        Tony Quinn
        Just a thought!! i think most of stans kit for running the engine could maybe be done by just remapping a cars ECU, I have never done any remapping myself but someone might be able to tell me if that is possible,most ECU control all the things stan shows in his new vid,apart from the VIC circuits,so it might be possible just to program ECU's instead off building them,and they can be picked up in scrap yards all over the world for just a couple of dollars, Any thoughts anyone?
That would be cool if it can be done.:D  It could be done easier with an aftermarket ECU that is designed for tweaking via laptop.  I'm thinking though that Stan's injector system could just control factory injectors directly, no need for special "sparkplug injectors" (not the resonant cavity sparkplugs).  I think Stans retro fit kits were designed around throttle body/ carburated engines.  Now days cars are all going to direct injection which would be more similar to Stans injector plugs, even better for us.:P



Muxar

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #9, on December 5th, 2011, 12:22 AM »
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        Tony Quinn
        Just a thought!! i think most of stans kit for running the engine could maybe be done by just remapping a cars ECU, I have never done any remapping myself but someone might be able to tell me if that is possible,most ECU control all the things stan shows in his new vid,apart from the VIC circuits,so it might be possible just to program ECU's instead off building them,and they can be picked up in scrap yards all over the world for just a couple of dollars, Any thoughts anyone?
That would be cool if it can be done.:D  It could be done easier with an aftermarket ECU that is designed for tweaking via laptop.  I'm thinking though that Stan's injector system could just control factory injectors directly, no need for special "sparkplug injectors" (not the resonant cavity sparkplugs).  I think Stans retro fit kits were designed around throttle body/ carburated engines.  Now days cars are all going to direct injection which would be more similar to Stans injector plugs, even better for us.:P
Nice point of view guys! i was thinking in the very same thing!
We don´t need to build all the Stan´s sistem cards,i think that could be possible to adapt an exixting ECU to a WFC tech.
Most of the diesel engines are direct inyection sistem so it has secuential inyection(that´s what we need) and even in gasoline engines,the inyection sistem is very advanced,they are able to inyect 5 times per cicle to adjust the combustion,and it´s also secuential.
Or,we can even use the sparking signal...the gasoline engines use 4 ignition coils,so that signal it´s also secuential...the only thing i was wondering is if it will be any need to change the timing at high revs,because hydrogen burns instantaneously, and all the signal i talked about changes the degrees at high revs, If hydrogen don´t need that adjustment that could be a problem(of course it will have to move forward the rpm sensor to spark later or change the hall sensor)


firepinto

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #10, on December 5th, 2011, 04:06 AM »
Quote from Muxar on December 5th, 2011, 12:22 AM
Quote from firepinto on December 4th, 2011, 08:02 PM
Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on December 4th, 2011, 11:37 AM
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        Tony Quinn
        Just a thought!! i think most of stans kit for running the engine could maybe be done by just remapping a cars ECU, I have never done any remapping myself but someone might be able to tell me if that is possible,most ECU control all the things stan shows in his new vid,apart from the VIC circuits,so it might be possible just to program ECU's instead off building them,and they can be picked up in scrap yards all over the world for just a couple of dollars, Any thoughts anyone?
That would be cool if it can be done.:D  It could be done easier with an aftermarket ECU that is designed for tweaking via laptop.  I'm thinking though that Stan's injector system could just control factory injectors directly, no need for special "sparkplug injectors" (not the resonant cavity sparkplugs).  I think Stans retro fit kits were designed around throttle body/ carburated engines.  Now days cars are all going to direct injection which would be more similar to Stans injector plugs, even better for us.:P
Nice point of view guys! i was thinking in the very same thing!
We don´t need to build all the Stan´s sistem cards,i think that could be possible to adapt an exixting ECU to a WFC tech.
Most of the diesel engines are direct inyection sistem so it has secuential inyection(that´s what we need) and even in gasoline engines,the inyection sistem is very advanced,they are able to inyect 5 times per cicle to adjust the combustion,and it´s also secuential.
Or,we can even use the sparking signal...the gasoline engines use 4 ignition coils,so that signal it´s also secuential...the only thing i was wondering is if it will be any need to change the timing at high revs,because hydrogen burns instantaneously, and all the signal i talked about changes the degrees at high revs, If hydrogen don´t need that adjustment that could be a problem(of course it will have to move forward the rpm sensor to spark later or change the hall sensor)
In theory the timing don't need to be changed much if we use Stan's methods of making H2 co-equal the burn rate of gasoline.  The first few seconds of start up maybe could use some timing retarding since no low oxygen, non combustible gasses are in the exhaust system at that time.  


~Russ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #11, on December 6th, 2011, 03:20 AM »Last edited on December 6th, 2011, 03:25 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from firepinto on December 5th, 2011, 04:06 AM
Quote from Muxar on December 5th, 2011, 12:22 AM
Quote from firepinto on December 4th, 2011, 08:02 PM
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        Tony Quinn
        Just a thought!! i think most of stans kit for running the engine could maybe be done by just remapping a cars ECU, I have never done any remapping myself but someone might be able to tell me if that is possible,most ECU control all the things stan shows in his new vid,apart from the VIC circuits,so it might be possible just to program ECU's instead off building them,and they can be picked up in scrap yards all over the world for just a couple of dollars, Any thoughts anyone?
That would be cool if it can be done.:D  It could be done easier with an aftermarket ECU that is designed for tweaking via laptop.  I'm thinking though that Stan's injector system could just control factory injectors directly, no need for special "sparkplug injectors" (not the resonant cavity sparkplugs).  I think Stans retro fit kits were designed around throttle body/ carburated engines.  Now days cars are all going to direct injection which would be more similar to Stans injector plugs, even better for us.:P
Nice point of view guys! i was thinking in the very same thing!
We don´t need to build all the Stan´s sistem cards,i think that could be possible to adapt an exixting ECU to a WFC tech.
Most of the diesel engines are direct inyection sistem so it has secuential inyection(that´s what we need) and even in gasoline engines,the inyection sistem is very advanced,they are able to inyect 5 times per cicle to adjust the combustion,and it´s also secuential.
Or,we can even use the sparking signal...the gasoline engines use 4 ignition coils,so that signal it´s also secuential...the only thing i was wondering is if it will be any need to change the timing at high revs,because hydrogen burns instantaneously, and all the signal i talked about changes the degrees at high revs, If hydrogen don´t need that adjustment that could be a problem(of course it will have to move forward the rpm sensor to spark later or change the hall sensor)
In theory the timing don't need to be changed much if we use Stan's methods of making H2 co-equal the burn rate of gasoline.  The first few seconds of start up maybe could use some timing retarding since no low oxygen, non combustible gasses are in the exhaust system at that time.
that's a good thought nate

i think most of this is for the injection of the HHO fuel. not necessarily for the timing adjustments. but thats just what i see. also i will be playing with some injector throttle body plate like this one.  

then ill have just an air gate... :)

like this:
~Russ

 

Muxar

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #12, on December 12th, 2011, 02:50 PM »
Hello everyone!
I´m working in this video’s Spanish translation, to spread the word to people that don´t understand any English, as i made with another Stans videos before. I almost finished the transcription, it´s just a few words missing but i guess my English is not good enough to catch what he is saying. Could any one give me a hand with that task?
If anyone can help me send me a private message and i´ll send him my work.

Gracias.

~Russ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #13, on December 12th, 2011, 11:15 PM »
Quote from Muxar on December 12th, 2011, 02:50 PM
Hello everyone!
I´m working in this video’s Spanish translation, to spread the word to people that don´t understand any English, as i made with another Stans videos before. I almost finished the transcription, it´s just a few words missing but i guess my English is not good enough to catch what he is saying. Could any one give me a hand with that task?
If anyone can help me send me a private message and i´ll send him my work.

Gracias.
hello again! so, yeah. what parts are you needing help with? just some parts or allot of parts?

i don't know Spanish but i can see what i can help with?

amazing that you are doing this! its wonderful to see!

thank you !!!!

~Russ

Shainagua

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #14, on July 10th, 2012, 07:01 PM »
Hello everyone, closely schematic in PDF is my idea of ​​how to put into operation a system of hydroxy and gasoline dual way. No need to put additional injectors or LPG system or remap the ECU.

I'd like to read your opinion on the matter.

Good luck to all.

Muxar

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #15, on July 12th, 2012, 01:03 AM »
Quote from Shainagua on July 10th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Hello everyone, closely schematic in PDF is my idea of ​​how to put into operation a system of hydroxy and gasoline dual way. No need to put additional injectors or LPG system or remap the ECU.

I'd like to read your opinion on the matter.

Good luck to all.
Hello Shainagua,
I´ll start saying that this is not the place to put this thread, so for the next time be carefull with that because this could became a mess.
Looking your design closely i´d like to say that you are doing it to difficult, i think that mixing liquid and gas is not a good idea, the gas always will be on top in the rail, and you will be inyecting 100% gasoline or maybe you could cause a "Ram effect" and i think the engine woudn´t run smooth because you don´t really control the ammount of gas that goes out of the inyector. another safety concept that you should look at is that you are putting hho in your normal tank by returning it through the rail.....i woudn´t do that, it´s very explosive.
Any other idea that you have, please feel free to ask.
What´s the exhaust gases are for by the way?
-Muxar-

Shainagua

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #16, on July 12th, 2012, 09:47 AM »
Quote from Muxar on July 12th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Quote from Shainagua on July 10th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Hello everyone, closely schematic in PDF is my idea of ​​how to put into operation a system of hydroxy and gasoline dual way. No need to put additional injectors or LPG system or remap the ECU.

I'd like to read your opinion on the matter.

Good luck to all.
Hello Shainagua,
I´ll start saying that this is not the place to put this thread, so for the next time be carefull with that because this could became a mess.
Looking your design closely i´d like to say that you are doing it to difficult, i think that mixing liquid and gas is not a good idea, the gas always will be on top in the rail, and you will be inyecting 100% gasoline or maybe you could cause a "Ram effect" and i think the engine woudn´t run smooth because you don´t really control the ammount of gas that goes out of the inyector. another safety concept that you should look at is that you are putting hho in your normal tank by returning it through the rail.....i woudn´t do that, it´s very explosive.
Any other idea that you have, please feel free to ask.
What´s the exhaust gases are for by the way?
-Muxar-
I see the idea was not well understood. What I have tried to present the schematic has been to have the option of putting to work the vehicle with gasoline or hydroxy (not both at once) using the same injection system without modification or addition of other elements.
The rail injectors 45psi works normally when the vehicle is gasoline, but when using hydroxy fuel rail pressure should be 125-130psi and mixing with non-combustible gases must equal the rate of 45cm / sec. as suggested by Stanley Mayer. I should emphasize that the hydroxy never will return to the fuel tank causing this problem or safety management as content to stay on the track while in the form HHO fuel.

Muxar  thanks for the correction to the post, I will have pending for next time.

If anyone has any questions or comments about who would gladly let me know I am willing to clarify it.

pardon my English is not so good.

Shainagua.

~Russ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #17, on July 13th, 2012, 12:00 AM »
Quote from Shainagua on July 12th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Quote from Muxar on July 12th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Quote from Shainagua on July 10th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Hello everyone, closely schematic in PDF is my idea of ​​how to put into operation a system of hydroxy and gasoline dual way. No need to put additional injectors or LPG system or remap the ECU.

I'd like to read your opinion on the matter.

Good luck to all.
Hello Shainagua,
I´ll start saying that this is not the place to put this thread, so for the next time be carefull with that because this could became a mess.
Looking your design closely i´d like to say that you are doing it to difficult, i think that mixing liquid and gas is not a good idea, the gas always will be on top in the rail, and you will be inyecting 100% gasoline or maybe you could cause a "Ram effect" and i think the engine woudn´t run smooth because you don´t really control the ammount of gas that goes out of the inyector. another safety concept that you should look at is that you are putting hho in your normal tank by returning it through the rail.....i woudn´t do that, it´s very explosive.
Any other idea that you have, please feel free to ask.
What´s the exhaust gases are for by the way?
-Muxar-
I see the idea was not well understood. What I have tried to present the schematic has been to have the option of putting to work the vehicle with gasoline or hydroxy (not both at once) using the same injection system without modification or addition of other elements.
The rail injectors 45psi works normally when the vehicle is gasoline, but when using hydroxy fuel rail pressure should be 125-130psi and mixing with non-combustible gases must equal the rate of 45cm / sec. as suggested by Stanley Mayer. I should emphasize that the hydroxy never will return to the fuel tank causing this problem or safety management as content to stay on the track while in the form HHO fuel.

Muxar  thanks for the correction to the post, I will have pending for next time.

If anyone has any questions or comments about who would gladly let me know I am willing to clarify it.

pardon my English is not so good.

Shainagua.
if your injecting hydroxy gas you will not want to pressurize it. it will be mixed so this factor will change depending on the mix BUT. Hydroxy Will Explode if pressurized. at what pressure you ask... well it depends. even stan used under 15 PSI never any more...

please keep this in mined.

~Russ


Amsy

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #19, on August 23rd, 2012, 06:56 AM »Last edited on August 23rd, 2012, 10:25 PM by Amsy
Hy folks,

in the second part of the video, some things are good to see:
at around 4:00 was the car with a silver tank and the WFC built in the tank as a central unit.
at around 8:00 you see the car with a red tank and no wfc on it, at about 13:00 the devices where taken out of the red tank, no WFC

I think the last version of the car, was this one with the red tank on it. The splitting of the water and the gas processor was one "plug" device instead of the spark plug in the engine...is this right?



geenee


Amsy

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #21, on August 28th, 2012, 10:48 PM »Last edited on August 30th, 2012, 05:35 AM by Amsy
Hi geenee,

Stanley Meyers Injectors seems to work similar to the water spark plug.
Maybe some little difference is, that Stanley Meyers injector plug, make no real spark. I think it was a high electrical field (which can bring a spark if you rise the voltage high enough).

Anyway, in both cases, the same will happen. First there will be a little electrolyses (central in the wfc or in the spark plug inside), then the spark or discharge do it like in ArcAtom welding. So the arc or discharge cause the H2 go to a state of H+H. And will recombine immediately out of the plasma zone. The O2 will form to O+O and will recombine to O3 (Ozon) or O2, etc....
So that is because a discharge like this can cause plasma state, that means nearly all moleculs or atoms in the "chamber" where the spark is hitting, are ionized. Normally moleculs connection break up and the single atom version will exist so long, as the plasma is "ON" or the atom is leaving the plasma zone.

So maybe Meyer generated a "soft plasma" without arcing. Heavy arcing is not good for material inside the spark plug.

We should not forget, that mayer didn´t only let water into the spark plug, but also some exhaust gases and already ionized air (Gas Processor). Therefor the result of the "explosion" in front of the "plasma spark plug" can vary. So it can be, that the VIC was was like a ignition coil in the video you posted. Bringing high voltage field to the chamber but without arc discharge.

Edit: IMHO was this the reason for the so called "Hydrogen Fracturing Process". So first splitting water to H2 and O2 and then destabilizing the H2 in the ignition tubes with the high voltage field.
During my water spark plug test, I made three important observatiosn:

1) The 200 to 300VDC (however) made permanent electrolyses in the spark gap of the spark plug creating H2 and O2. (same like meyer in the wfc, maybe with other voltages)

2) The high voltage of the ignition coil hits, ionize the created H2 and O2 gas and then the "explosion" vapourize the remaining water. (same like meyer in the gas resonant tube)

3) The explosion or arc creates ultra violett light arcs. When H2 is ionized and recombined, the recombination ends with a photon wave at around 400nm (UV).
That was the reason of the UV laser interaction to the H2 and O2 in the gas resonant cavity. The above reaction can also go in the inverted direction. UV hitting H2 will be ionized.

Greetings



FaradayEZ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #22, on September 8th, 2012, 05:36 PM »Last edited on September 8th, 2012, 05:37 PM by FaradayEZ
Hi,

Some info about how a high frequency AC current can help the DC
current in producing much more hydrogen

http://www.viewzone.com/verichipx.html


Greetingss...

EZ

Gunther Rattay

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #23, on September 9th, 2012, 12:28 AM »Last edited on September 9th, 2012, 12:37 AM by bussi04
Ok, Peter Lindemann ...

They are dealing with free energy applications for how many years now? 5 ... 7 ... 10 ?

Lindemann wrote some publications, is on tour with his publications and then that poor video.

Oh man, what are they really doing? after 5 or more years a simple spark plug application???

that´s not too much output for such a forum size at energetics ...

After so many years there are no ongoing results now and what does that mean?

what can we do to avoid that beginners´ circle stucking at a certain point and then restarting over and over again without real progress?

Answer to that question makes the real difference between fun stuff entertainment and knowledge yield.



FaradayEZ

RE: New Water Powered Car video found by Dynodon
« Reply #24, on September 9th, 2012, 03:17 AM »Last edited on September 9th, 2012, 03:26 AM by FaradayEZ
that´s not too much output for such a forum size at energetics ...

After so many years there are no ongoing results now and what does that mean?

what can we do to avoid that beginners´ circle stucking at a certain point and then restarting over and over again without real progress?

Answer to that question makes the real difference between fun stuff entertainment and knowledge yield.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hear, hear bussi04

Precisely what i'm thinking.

The websites and statements may look great but the power behind it is small.

And one who has success.. is going in hiding or doesn't tell exactly how they gained the success, cause then they want the money..

(although there are also a lot of good inventions that are already reproducable ..like the geek engine or using hydrogen, or the bloom energy server or.. etc.)

and a lot of hobbyists get stuck on not knowing the basics and just try to do stuff by guessing

EZ , Holland