I've moved this thread over from the 'Popper' discussions as it fits better in here...  :)

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 29th, 2012, 01:52 PM

Quote from ethospete on September 29th, 2012, 01:32 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 29th, 2012, 12:53 PM

My HHO favorite..: http://youtu.be/Lk1fFSkfSg4

Excellent, mine's this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwwZNSGe_w

0 to 50 litres per minute! Awesome output... and that's more than enough to drive any car... :D

True..and grrr..i can't top that video..;)

But still..how are the calculations on input and output? When is producing HHO to run your car really cheaper then the amount of electricity it costs?

No, only a spreadsheet will do..LOL

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LET'S BUILD A NEW WATER-POWERED CAR?

Many thanks... and so far those are the best units that I've been able to find off the shelf for gas output.

Daniel Dingel said that 20 litres per minute was enough to run his car at 70kmh and that it consumed 1 litre of water to drive for one hour.

So my theory is the Punch 110v cell produces up to 20 - 25 litres per minute which should be more then enough:

"55 plate 120v hydrogen hho generator capable of over 20 LPM - 25 lpm max."

http://www.punchhho.com/

(I have no affiliation with them just, as I said, they are the best units I've found so far and they delivered as promised).

So how to run a 120v cell in a car..? - 5000 Watt Continuous/10,000 Watt Peak Power Inverter - http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/power-inverters/5000-watt-continuous-10000-watt-peak-power-inverter-96706.html

My theory is that 5kw @ 120v should be enough power to run the Punch cell from a 12v supply, albeit with a pretty heavy current draw, so I will run it from some additional heavy duty truck batteries. (5000 Watt inverter draws 417 Amps from the 12 V supply (Battery).

Add an electrolyte solution of Ammonium Chloride as it is meant to work just as well as KOH which is normally used but without causing any heat as most units running on KOH have a problem with over heating after the unit has been running for a while and it also helps to reduce scale buildup.

Obviously the above setup is far from ideal but hopefully will give 'proof of concept' that it is possible to run a car on ordinary tap water. Once it is up and running, will then need to add some additional heavy duty alternators to cope with the heavy current draw.

Last hurdle I envisage is negating the waste spark - I've seen one way of doing it by adding a hall-effect sensor and magnet on the camshaft to effectively make a new ignition timing system... but I am still thinking that there has to be a simpler way..?

Any additional thoughts, ideas or input gratefully received...  :)

Russ is already running the pulse-motor build-off - so how about also running a water-powered car build-off based on the above spec...? Any takers...?  :)

All the best

ethospete...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhNtRhJ5Rw

Does anyone else see a "blocking diode" phenomena here?

I know the thing is connected in parallel with the output coil but I'm wondering if standard automotive ignition circuits could benefit from this.  Seems almost like a "normal" ignition system is wasting a ton of energy letting things bounce back into the coil when just a simple diode could force all the energy to stay in the spark plug.

Could it really be that easy...?

Quote from haxar on December 4th, 2011, 01:34 PM

Quote from waqas148 on December 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM

After watching the video part related to VIC card testing, does anyone noticed an important thing that the scanning frequency was well within audible range.... which is very thoughtful

Yes, the VIC circuit is well within the audible range of 0 through 20 or 24kHz. Stan specifically said in the 1989 New Zealand video lecture was the range to tune into resonance was up to 10kHz depending upon the contaminants in the water and others regarding how the resonant cavity is constructed.

Stan states in my video of his 9 tube cell demonstration, "if I hit this fuel cell with 10,000 volts at 50kHz, i can convert a gallon of water a second."

Quote from MeyerandMe on October 2nd, 2012, 01:57 AM

Quote from haxar on December 4th, 2011, 01:34 PM

Quote from waqas148 on December 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM

After watching the video part related to VIC card testing, does anyone noticed an important thing that the scanning frequency was well within audible range.... which is very thoughtful

Yes, the VIC circuit is well within the audible range of 0 through 20 or 24kHz. Stan specifically said in the 1989 New Zealand video lecture was the range to tune into resonance was up to 10kHz depending upon the contaminants in the water and others regarding how the resonant cavity is constructed.

Stan states in my video of his 9 tube cell demonstration, "if I hit this fuel cell with 10,000 volts at 50kHz, i can convert a gallon of water a second."

Stan talks about "frequency doubling." Maybe even at 25kHz, being a little higher above the audible range, with the circuit tuned to that frequency will output 50kHz.

JP, did you post that video?

Quote from ethospete on September 30th, 2012, 10:20 AM

I've moved this thread over from the 'Popper' discussions as it fits better in here...  :)

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 29th, 2012, 01:52 PM

Quote from ethospete on September 29th, 2012, 01:32 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 29th, 2012, 12:53 PM

My HHO favorite..: http://youtu.be/Lk1fFSkfSg4

Excellent, mine's this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwwZNSGe_w

0 to 50 litres per minute! Awesome output... and that's more than enough to drive any car... :D

True..and grrr..i can't top that video..;)

But still..how are the calculations on input and output? When is producing HHO to run your car really cheaper then the amount of electricity it costs?

No, only a spreadsheet will do..LOL

---------------------------------------------

LET'S BUILD A NEW WATER-POWERED CAR?

Many thanks... and so far those are the best units that I've been able to find off the shelf for gas output.

Daniel Dingel said that 20 litres per minute was enough to run his car at 70kmh and that it consumed 1 litre of water to drive for one hour.

So my theory is the Punch 110v cell produces up to 20 - 25 litres per minute which should be more then enough:

"55 plate 120v hydrogen hho generator capable of over 20 LPM - 25 lpm max."

http://www.punchhho.com/

(I have no affiliation with them just, as I said, they are the best units I've found so far and they delivered as promised).

So how to run a 120v cell in a car..? - 5000 Watt Continuous/10,000 Watt Peak Power Inverter - http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/power-inverters/5000-watt-continuous-10000-watt-peak-power-inverter-96706.html

My theory is that 5kw @ 120v should be enough power to run the Punch cell from a 12v supply, albeit with a pretty heavy current draw, so I will run it from some additional heavy duty truck batteries. (5000 Watt inverter draws 417 Amps from the 12 V supply (Battery).

Add an electrolyte solution of Ammonium Chloride as it is meant to work just as well as KOH which is normally used but without causing any heat as most units running on KOH have a problem with over heating after the unit has been running for a while and it also helps to reduce scale buildup.

Obviously the above setup is far from ideal but hopefully will give 'proof of concept' that it is possible to run a car on ordinary tap water. Once it is up and running, will then need to add some additional heavy duty alternators to cope with the heavy current draw.

Last hurdle I envisage is negating the waste spark - I've seen one way of doing it by adding a hall-effect sensor and magnet on the camshaft to effectively make a new ignition timing system... but I am still thinking that there has to be a simpler way..?

Any additional thoughts, ideas or input gratefully received...  :)

Russ is already running the pulse-motor build-off - so how about also running a water-powered car build-off based on the above spec...? Any takers...?  :)

All the best

ethospete...

The best, car-wise setup i've found : http://youtu.be/yjqkHhWUKOU
Haven't seen if they use extra dynamo's or alternators as you say.

But for a build off you need more then 1 month and you can only judge by video then.. still :)

Quote from ddrum on October 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM

JP, did you post that video?

No. I only saw it after Don posted it.
It must have been in Stan's inventory of equipment in the Estate.
Stan did a few videos on his own when testing.
We don't get any hints as to who is running the camera.

Cheers,
JP

http://pesn.com/2010/05/14/9501652_Water-for-Fuel_tech_among_Pepsi_Refresh_contestants/

Kevin West claims to have been able to replicate Stanley Meyers water car technology on the bench, and is nearly done applying it to a vehicle and making a kit for others to do the same. He has entered the monthly Pepsi Refresh contest to draw attention to this work and possibly win $250,000 for his project. (PESN; May 19, 2010)


Hmm there's some price money

 

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 3rd, 2012, 01:20 PM

http://pesn.com/2010/05/14/9501652_Water-for-Fuel_tech_among_Pepsi_Refresh_contestants/

Kevin West claims to have been able to replicate Stanley Meyers water car technology on the bench, and is nearly done applying it to a vehicle and making a kit for others to do the same. He has entered the monthly Pepsi Refresh contest to draw attention to this work and possibly win $250,000 for his project. (PESN; May 19, 2010)


Hmm there's some price money

Wonder why the video was removed.:huh:

I saw kevin's youtube chanel and it says it uses koh,so no replication here

Quote from adys15 on October 3rd, 2012, 03:30 PM

I saw kevin's youtube chanel and it says it uses koh,so no replication here

i think "little koh+distilled water = tap water but... why?, tap water has many contaminations".he's nearly done his project.this is Meyer's alternator version(rewired alternator).alternator version use both electrolysis and high voltage spike.

he show wave form,look like Meyer's wave form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdEvIENzciM&feature=channel&list=UL

thanks
geenee

Quote from ddrum on October 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM

JP, did you post that video?

No I haven't posted it anywhere.
I'm not sure I will because it doesn't tell any secrets and we are planning to use some of it "exclusively" in a Documentary about Stan that is being worked on now.
I want to be able to sell full copies when the Documentary hits the public.
It may be the only video of Stan never seen except by a few of my associates.
Like I said, there isn't any secrets in it and most of what is in it has been seen or heard before. This is just a more personal demonstration in his lab.
It is the only personal video ever taken in Stan's lab of which I am aware. Stan wasn't too crazy about cameras and video.
I took it when I visited the lab in 1986 with John Gilvesey who invested about $250,000 helping Stan but got upset when things didn't progress as planned.
Attached photo is of Gilvesey holding the Hydrogen Gas Gun.[attachment=2397]

Cheers,
JP

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 3rd, 2012, 01:25 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 3rd, 2012, 01:20 PM

http://pesn.com/2010/05/14/9501652_Water-for-Fuel_tech_among_Pepsi_Refresh_contestants/

Kevin West claims to have been able to replicate Stanley Meyers water car technology on the bench, and is nearly done applying it to a vehicle and making a kit for others to do the same. He has entered the monthly Pepsi Refresh contest to draw attention to this work and possibly win $250,000 for his project. (PESN; May 19, 2010)


Hmm there's some price money

Wonder why the video was removed.:huh:

Where has he been for the last 2 years?
And if he's using KOH he's wasting his time and ours.
It isn't Meyer's process.

Cheers,
JP

[/quote]The best, car-wise setup i've found : http://youtu.be/yjqkHhWUKOU
Haven't seen if they use extra dynamo's or alternators as you say.

But for a build off you need more then 1 month and you can only judge by video then.. still :)


I heard about this, it's fake! thats people say, I read lot about this on one forum and people order staff & never get the kit !
money never see again etc...
can't find that forum now, but you can google it ;)[/quote]

Probably a silly question to ask. any follow on video of the h2o powered buggy car as posted at the start of this thread running.
tried a few searches but found nothing that linked directly .
Any news, did it work, one things 4 sure they certainly put a lot of time into it the build.

 any help pointing me to the right area would be gratefully received.

thanks jonnychooch

Quote from jonnychooch on March 21st, 2013, 07:47 AM

Probably a silly question to ask. any follow on video of the h2o powered buggy car as posted at the start of this thread running.
tried a few searches but found nothing that linked directly .
Any news, did it work, one things 4 sure they certainly put a lot of time into it the build.

 any help pointing me to the right area would be gratefully received.

thanks jonnychooch

Here's some info on Meyer and his water fuel cell technology.
http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/