Quote from geert8550 on May 24th, 2012, 09:46 AM

Hello Kevin
I have the wired Russtic but I have some doubts about the zone with the output. I made a wiring diagram and would like a checkup. You wired, according to the pictures, one black and white wire to the two pins next to C23. I can not find where they go.
Annex on the schedule.
Geert

Hi
The rustic is compleet wired now, ready for testing. Please checkup the wiring map in the appendix.
I see the black and white wires next to C23 going to one of the selector switches.

Geert

Hello

During testing there was a problem with the powersuply, in the last part map was an error with components. At C18 and C21 is polarization wrong indicated. This annex contains the debuged image, please replace this copy of the instructions with this .
The first tests were otherwise well, now a case rests.
I tried a test with a speaker but got no sound.
I do not compleet understand how an external device such as a speaker or a cell must be connected to the output of the rustic.
Please reply.

Geert

I have been reading through your thread. I thought you guys should check out this comment about resonance from Peter Lindermann explanation:

"Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:

..Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what
was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking
diode ! huuuuuuu gushh

so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without
electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it
is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he
is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts
this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging
this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes
that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity."

For more details refer to this attached pdf file: http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
download the attachment stanmeyers.pdfPlease let me know if anyone was successful in replicating stan meyers work with the schematics/ electronics developed here in this forum.

For those who need to replicate his work and dont want to spend much time building the WFC they can purchase it from this guy in australia. He also sells the stan meyers electronics but I doubt he includes the VIC with it. You can also use his schematics to build one and then add your own VIC or step up transformer. I think stan meyers idea is pretty simple. Use pulsed DC which is fed to VIC and the voltage does the job! please let me know if this analysis is wrong or not. I think resonance scanning is not needed here.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/index_shop.html

Hey man, sorry for the late reply.

See if you have a signal from U13 and U14 to Q1 and Q2

So your output 1 and 2 is an input as well, this is where you attach your main dc power being to be pulsed. Q1 and Q2 just switch it on and off. Start small to make sure things are working

Hope that helps

Kevin

Quote from geert8550 on May 31st, 2012, 11:58 AM

Hello

During testing there was a problem with the powersuply, in the last part map was an error with components. At C18 and C21 is polarization wrong indicated. This annex contains the debuged image, please replace this copy of the instructions with this .
The first tests were otherwise well, now a case rests.
I tried a test with a speaker but got no sound.
I do not compleet understand how an external device such as a speaker or a cell must be connected to the output of the rustic.
Please reply.

Geert

Kevin

Sorry to disturb you again, I know you're busy with other important issues.
I tested the rustic, perpfect signal 2 is in order. For signal 1, there is a problem. I get no signal at the pin and SIG1 TC1 pin. I swapped the U13 to U14 but the problem remained the same (signal two worked well with this TLP250). I checked the connection between the right and TC1pin U12 (pin 11) which was perfect. U12 I have already replaced by another 74LS04 with still the same problem. I suppose the solderings are good (I check them tomorrow). SW6 and SW7 is also checked and the conectors too. I still have no signal to SIG1 between U13 and Q1.
I would like to rely on your expertise.
This is the first time I complete a major project, I have learned a lot. Thanks for that. Like a reply please.:huh:

Geert

Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 11:24 AM

I have been reading through your thread. I thought you guys should check out this comment about resonance from Peter Lindermann explanation:

"Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:

..Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what
was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking
diode ! huuuuuuu gushh

so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without
electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it
is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he
is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts
this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging
this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes
that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity."

For more details refer to this attached pdf file: http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
download the attachment stanmeyers.pdf
Please let me know if anyone was successful in replicating stan meyers work with the schematics/ electronics developed here in this forum.

For those who need to replicate his work and dont want to spend much time building the WFC they can purchase it from this guy in australia. He also sells the stan meyers electronics but I doubt he includes the VIC with it. You can also use his schematics to build one and then add your own VIC or step up transformer. I think stan meyers idea is pretty simple. Use pulsed DC which is fed to VIC and the voltage does the job! please let me know if this analysis is wrong or not. I think resonance scanning is not needed here.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/index_shop.html

I realized that nobody paid attention to what you exposed.
I say again, is not that it is not resonant, not LC. Because the cell is not equal to a capacitor, definitely. But I prove that there is a resonance "L-cell."
The call to follow up this matter in this follow-up: # http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=603&pid=6279 pid6279 [url]

Quote from Faisca on June 26th, 2012, 09:30 AM

Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 11:24 AM

I have been reading through your thread. I thought you guys should check out this comment about resonance from Peter Lindermann explanation:

"Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:

..Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what
was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking
diode ! huuuuuuu gushh

so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without
electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it
is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he
is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts
this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging
this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes
that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity."

For more details refer to this attached pdf file: http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
download the attachment stanmeyers.pdf
Please let me know if anyone was successful in replicating stan meyers work with the schematics/ electronics developed here in this forum.

For those who need to replicate his work and dont want to spend much time building the WFC they can purchase it from this guy in australia. He also sells the stan meyers electronics but I doubt he includes the VIC with it. You can also use his schematics to build one and then add your own VIC or step up transformer. I think stan meyers idea is pretty simple. Use pulsed DC which is fed to VIC and the voltage does the job! please let me know if this analysis is wrong or not. I think resonance scanning is not needed here.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/index_shop.html

I realized that nobody paid attention to what you exposed.
I say again, is not that it is not resonant, not LC. Because the cell is not equal to a capacitor, definitely. But I prove that there is a resonance "L-cell."
The call to follow up this matter in this follow-up: # http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=603&pid=6279 pid6279 [url]

And it´s important to underline that Lindeman´s statment about "catastrophical dielectric failure" it the worst kind of desinformation.

in fact water ionization takes place as long as no dielectric breakdown takes place. so his wording is pointing the wrong direction.
how solve that technical issue when looking the opposite direction???

Quote from bussi04 on June 26th, 2012, 11:47 PM

Quote from Faisca on June 26th, 2012, 09:30 AM

Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 11:24 AM

I have been reading through your thread. I thought you guys should check out this comment about resonance from Peter Lindermann explanation:

"Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:

..Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what
was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking
diode ! huuuuuuu gushh

so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without
electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it
is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he
is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts
this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging
this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes
that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity."

For more details refer to this attached pdf file: http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
download the attachment stanmeyers.pdf
Please let me know if anyone was successful in replicating stan meyers work with the schematics/ electronics developed here in this forum.

For those who need to replicate his work and dont want to spend much time building the WFC they can purchase it from this guy in australia. He also sells the stan meyers electronics but I doubt he includes the VIC with it. You can also use his schematics to build one and then add your own VIC or step up transformer. I think stan meyers idea is pretty simple. Use pulsed DC which is fed to VIC and the voltage does the job! please let me know if this analysis is wrong or not. I think resonance scanning is not needed here.

http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/index_shop.html

I realized that nobody paid attention to what you exposed.
I say again, is not that it is not resonant, not LC. Because the cell is not equal to a capacitor, definitely. But I prove that there is a resonance "L-cell."
The call to follow up this matter in this follow-up: # http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=603&pid=6279 pid6279 [url]

And it´s important to underline that Lindeman´s statment about "catastrophical dielectric failure" it the worst kind of desinformation.

in fact water ionization takes place as long as no dielectric breakdown takes place. so his wording is pointing the wrong direction.
how solve that technical issue when looking the opposite direction???

http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/dielectrics/breakdown.php

Quote from geert8550 on June 25th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Kevin

Sorry to disturb you again, I know you're busy with other important issues.
I tested the rustic, perpfect signal 2 is in order. For signal 1, there is a problem. I get no signal at the pin and SIG1 TC1 pin. I swapped the U13 to U14 but the problem remained the same (signal two worked well with this TLP250). I checked the connection between the right and TC1pin U12 (pin 11) which was perfect. U12 I have already replaced by another 74LS04 with still the same problem. I suppose the solderings are good (I check them tomorrow). SW6 and SW7 is also checked and the conectors too. I still have no signal to SIG1 between U13 and Q1.
I would like to rely on your expertise.
This is the first time I complete a major project, I have learned a lot. Thanks for that. Like a reply please.:huh:

Geert

Try placing all I/C's on the first signal in the 2nd signal to make sure all your chips are good.

if all works out then it may be very hard to find the problem with out having it in front of us...

sense you have one side working just check each point down the line on each circuit till you find the part that is not the same and see if you can find out why its different.

this is a good way to trouble shoot.

hope this helps! :)

~Russ

PS! nice work! its a good project to learn on!

 

Hey geert8550

I don't mind helping at all. I've been on vacation on busy with schooling. Hope all with well with you. Please let us know if you need anymore assistance. and thanks Russ for always pulling threw.

Open-Source-Health threads keep me very busy as well:
http://open-source-energy.org/?fid=31


Thanks
Kevin

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on June 27th, 2012, 12:44 AM

Quote from geert8550 on June 25th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Kevin

Sorry to disturb you again, I know you're busy with other important issues.
I tested the rustic, perpfect signal 2 is in order. For signal 1, there is a problem. I get no signal at the pin and SIG1 TC1 pin. I swapped the U13 to U14 but the problem remained the same (signal two worked well with this TLP250). I checked the connection between the right and TC1pin U12 (pin 11) which was perfect. U12 I have already replaced by another 74LS04 with still the same problem. I suppose the solderings are good (I check them tomorrow). SW6 and SW7 is also checked and the conectors too. I still have no signal to SIG1 between U13 and Q1.
I would like to rely on your expertise.
This is the first time I complete a major project, I have learned a lot. Thanks for that. Like a reply please.:huh:

Geert

Try placing all I/C's on the first signal in the 2nd signal to make sure all your chips are good.

if all works out then it may be very hard to find the problem with out having it in front of us...

sense you have one side working just check each point down the line on each circuit till you find the part that is not the same and see if you can find out why its different.

this is a good way to trouble shoot.

hope this helps! :)

~Russ

PS! nice work! its a good project to learn on!

Russ, Kevin

Kevin, thanks for the reply, i have now found the error,  forgot a jumper at U14. The previous atteched images are replaced by the improved versions.
The image in the first post bij Kevin, of the components plan that is placed in the Annex, still needs to be replaced. Please also add the wiring plan.

Russ,
please remove the following attachments in http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/geert8550/:

- Rustic WFC v7.0.jpg
- Rustic WFC v7.0 2.jpg
- Rustic WFC v7.0 wiring.jpg

These have been replaced by:
- Rustic WFC v7.0 final version.jpg
- Rustic WFC v7.0 final wiring version.jpg

Hopefully my contribution is a support for other candidate Rustic builders.

Greetings from Belgium
Geert

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 02:01 AM

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Nice work, that case is very impressive.:cool:  Are the lables on the front panel etched in?  It looks like it came right out of the factory.

Nate

I like it Geert very nice job, indeed, Jeff.:cool::D:P

Quote from firepinto on July 6th, 2012, 05:06 AM

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 02:01 AM

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Nice work, that case is very impressive.:cool:  Are the lables on the front panel etched in?  It looks like it came right out of the factory.

Nate

I applied the same way as far in etching with photo paper for pcb. Very hot iron and the ink remains perfectly on the allumium or stainless steel plate.
The box is a converted old cassette deck player. A new back plate and a Stainless steel plate in front.:D

Geert that is just totally awesome, very smart idea on the front panel. :cool::D:P

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 12:15 PM

Quote from firepinto on July 6th, 2012, 05:06 AM

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 02:01 AM

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Nice work, that case is very impressive.:cool:  Are the lables on the front panel etched in?  It looks like it came right out of the factory.

Nate

I applied the same way as far in etching with photo paper for pcb. Very hot iron and the ink remains perfectly on the allumium or stainless steel plate.
The box is a converted old cassette deck player. A new back plate and a Stainless steel plate in front.:D

Wow nice build geert8550!! That front plate looks very impressive

What a great idea to etch it on!

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 12:15 PM

Quote from firepinto on July 6th, 2012, 05:06 AM

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 02:01 AM

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Nice work, that case is very impressive.:cool:  Are the lables on the front panel etched in?  It looks like it came right out of the factory.

Nate

I applied the same way as far in etching with photo paper for pcb. Very hot iron and the ink remains perfectly on the allumium or stainless steel plate.
The box is a converted old cassette deck player. A new back plate and a Stainless steel plate in front.:D

wow! that is pro bro!

fantastic idea on the front!

I would put some clear coat of some kind other than that that's a fantastic idea!!!

looks extremely Nice!!!! very professional ~Russ

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on July 7th, 2012, 10:02 PM

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 12:15 PM

Quote from firepinto on July 6th, 2012, 05:06 AM

Quote from geert8550 on July 6th, 2012, 02:01 AM

Russtic 7.0 fully tested and works well. Thanks to help me. What is the next logical step, the coils perhaps? Uploaded some pictures in the appendix.

geert8550

Nice work, that case is very impressive.:cool:  Are the lables on the front panel etched in?  It looks like it came right out of the factory.

Nate

I applied the same way as far in etching with photo paper for pcb. Very hot iron and the ink remains perfectly on the allumium or stainless steel plate.
The box is a converted old cassette deck player. A new back plate and a Stainless steel plate in front.:D

Wow nice build geert8550!! That front plate looks very impressive

What a great idea to etch it on!

It is not etched. It is ironed and I just removed the paper in the usual manner. The ink is strong enough to continue as printed.
It is important that it is very hot, and long heated (10 min).

geert8550

Hello all,

I just begun to reference all product on farnell. to make it easier for everyone.
you can check if the reference is good.

thank you

Jean-Alexandre

I would like thank russ.. and everybody that worked on this project. This post is excellent.
Following these experiments has helped me advance in knowledge and has given me the ability to apply this to
multiple projects that were in the back burner for a while.

Initially i tried using the heat toner transfer method. This didn’t work out very good. But then I tried using the photo resist method and
I was really happy with results.

Link bellow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJSiGAQnsU#ws

nice work brother!!!!!

~Russ

Finaly got little bit of time to continue working on this fun project.. :excited:

I had to build a small "drill press" for the PCB didnt want to use my hand drill. this was way to big.
once i finish populating the board will post more info.

thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G18Niqda2RQ#ws

nice work on that jig!