Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan


Jimboot

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #2, on February 2nd, 2014, 03:11 AM »
From wasif to me on Facebook
".this magnet machine runs with the power of magnets that runs the generator specifically design on low rpm, which neither the violation of rules or law of conservation.The Magnets used in it are guaranteed not to lose their magnetism in 36,000 hours if used in the way they are adjusted in this machine . The total number of magnets are 182 which are closely spaced but do not come into direct contact with each other and therefore do not lose their magnetism in 36,000 hours.Associated electricity generating dynamo runs at 80 to 150 rpm to produce 3.5 KW. If increased to 300 to 750 rpm with a better dynamo it can produce 5 MW using better copper, steal and magnets. It will require 4 windings per MW.It produces pure sinewave AC current through auto-control kit.It requires low maintainance which would only be required for bearing only after one year of continuous working. The cost of maintenance is very low and is less than 5-7 percent of the price of the machine after 5 years which will be readily affordable.Using the same technology, a specially designed magnet machine for the car is under process that will be able to run 1000cc 4000cc engine for 24000 hrs without loosing any magnetic power. The maintenance of the magnet machine in the car would also be low and lower than an ordinary petrol engine and can be managed by an ordinary mechanic.Challenge to all Engineers We challenge any one to come and see this magnet machine working. It is not just a theoretical concept but a working reality. We invite everyone to come and verify it and we will pay the fare and expenses if we are proven wrong. We invite all queries of all sorts made after careful consideration of the description given. After a year, it will be made public and everyone can get it.it is just for engineers. it will be marketed in pakistan first. we do not need any advertisement. or companies support. this our invention we want only objection from engineers. to clarify their theoratical concept.those machines r not complete in sence of expapiments.we completed our expariments on it then openly challenge to the engineers.in near future u will see our magnet machine in market.after it marketing,after that we will open source it.we r in production,we need only time,when our calculated production will be ready for marketing,we will in the market,it will take some time dear.now our team is much busy in production.we dont want approval from engineers.we tell them with a challenge that it is possible and practically available in working condition we have done this job by the grace of Allah.we need not any kind of advertisement and finances.our invention will itself speak. this magnet machine is a genuine,and practically in working position,many groups coming to examine it,and really surprised to see it,by the grace of GOD we done it,we also invite u to come and see it practically,no one can prove us wrong because we r not telling a lie.soon we will upload a new video with world qualified and recognised engineers comments.we need not a nobel prize,our magnet machine is a nobel prize for humanity.We challenge any one to come and see this magnet machine working. It is not just a theoretical concept but a working reality. We invite everyone to come and verify it and we will pay the fare and expenses if we are proven wrong. We invite all queries of all sorts made after careful consideration of the description given. After a year, it will be made public and everyone can get it."

geenee

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #3, on February 2nd, 2014, 03:54 AM »Last edited on February 2nd, 2014, 04:13 AM by geenee
thanks for sharing.i want to buy that one.lol hope cheap price.

this is something like "mono pole magnet",push only not attached.

geenee


Jimboot

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #5, on February 2nd, 2014, 05:25 PM »
Dansie et al have since offered to come and validate but they have rejected the offers is my understanding. THe "challenge" referred to in the video is simply to refute their video evidence.


Matt Watts

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #7, on February 22nd, 2014, 05:42 PM »Last edited on February 22nd, 2014, 06:03 PM
You know geenee, I just saw it clear as day in my head after watching that video.  Eddy currents, that's the trick.  I'm going to have to prove it and show you all if I'm right, but I think if you place a copper tube on the exit side of the stator magnet, when the rotating magnet tries to pass by, it will create an eddy current in the copper tube and suppress the attraction force normal to the stator magnet.  I would bet, you could also do the same thing on the tailing edge of each rotor magnet to make it work even better.

Now what I suspect is the size tube you use will have some resonance that will limit the speed of the wheel and in some cases, the wheel will not accelerate at all, but would hold its speed once externally spun-up.  The resonance will be much like a band-pass filter; could even be a low-pass filter, in which case the wheel will spin-up on its own and top-out at some particular speed.

By all means, someone beat me to it.  I've had hundreds of million dollar ideas and I'm still poor.

Matt Watts

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #8, on February 23rd, 2014, 03:24 PM »Last edited on February 23rd, 2014, 03:35 PM
Surely you have all tried this at some time or another:

Magnet Falling Through Copper Tube

If you conduct this experiment with a cylinder shaped magnet, North on one end, South on the other, the magnet will align itself horizontally with the copper tube vertical.  This is very important.

What do you suppose would happen if you had a short piece of copper tube (coil) with a magnet inside it with a hole drilled in the side exposing one end/pole of the magnet?  Now let that partially occluded magnet experience pulses from a rotor.  I would be willing to bet the side that is open where you drilled the hole would behave normally, but the other side...?  It would experience a Lenz Effect and a Delayed Lenz Effect at that, making it possible to have an asymmetric magnet.  Keep in mind this asymmetry would only be noticeable at certain frequencies (RPMs of the rotor).

If you look at the James Roney Stator, he has a dead battery on the one side--a double-A battery, a cylinder, very similar to a copper tube or coil to create Eddy currents inside.

So anyone have a prototype magnet motor running yet?  If my theory is correct, it shouldn't be that difficult to construct now.

geenee

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #9, on February 23rd, 2014, 06:55 PM »Last edited on February 23rd, 2014, 07:11 PM
Wasif Kahloon maybe replicated Perendev Motor.Eddy current can occur with aluminuim or copper but push force from magnet is greater than Eddy Current.maybe possible to kill symmetry,IMHO.and added flywheel power that can make a self run.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxReArGbE_s#

in video,he talk about replace aluminuim flywheel with plastic because Eddy Current problem.

Matt Watts

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #10, on February 23rd, 2014, 09:30 PM »Last edited on February 23rd, 2014, 09:46 PM
He also shows the Bismuth Shield for the magnets.  Why would he need such a thing?  To make the magnets asymmetric.

What I was getting at that may not be obvious is that the Eddy currents ARE the shield, not the shield itself.  The copper tube allows for the creation of Eddy currents.


~Russ

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #11, on February 24th, 2014, 07:40 AM »
the first videos http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x1asgtf

i'm having some problems with... details that don't make sense to me.

the bismuth "shielding" could be the same as what  James Roney was doing.

one thing i have noticed is any really good shielding material also has to much attraction

like that in the shielding material used in hard drives.  ( have a bunch of it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal

it shields so well by "locking" in the flux... this means its supper attracted to the magnets. 

any how, lets just say any "shielding" you get from it also makes the magnet passing by it attracted to it. i have played with it for a while. no luck but not put the effort in to it just yet as well...

just some thoughts.

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #12, on February 24th, 2014, 11:38 AM »
But Russ, what about using small slices of copper tubing?  That was my earlier point.  And they are not magnetic, per say.  When two magnets pass by each other at some velocity, i.e. stator and rotor magnets, if either the leading edge or trailing edge have these copper tubes on them, the shielding isn't actually the copper tubes, but instead, the Eddy currents they produce as the change in magnet field propagates.  These Eddy currents create a Delayed Lenz Effect which I would propose putting the copper tubes on the trailing edge to be more beneficial, so the magnets work in attraction mode only.  The magnets pull themselves together and once they hit the "sticky spot", Eddy currents develop in the trailing edge tubes/coils, shunting the attraction as the two magnets begin to pull away from each other.  Remember, this "shielding" doesn't have to be perfect--51% more pull together versus 49% pull as they try to come apart would be enough, the inertia of the rotating wheel would be enough to keep the process going.

The Eddy currents will vibrate, ring within the copper tube and dissipate after a short moment.  We only need them there long enough for the two magnets to pull away beyond their relatively strong magnet attraction.

I guess I'm not writing my thoughts here clearly enough for people to visualize what I'm saying.  I reckon it's time to prepare some sort of demonstration.  Such a tough crowd to please.  ;)

~Russ

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #13, on February 25th, 2014, 06:32 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on February 24th, 2014, 11:38 AM
But Russ, what about using small slices of copper tubing?  That was my earlier point.  And they are not magnetic, per say.  When two magnets pass by each other at some velocity, i.e. stator and rotor magnets, if either the leading edge or trailing edge have these copper tubes on them, the shielding isn't actually the copper tubes, but instead, the Eddy currents they produce as the change in magnet field propagates.  These Eddy currents create a Delayed Lenz Effect which I would propose putting the copper tubes on the trailing edge to be more beneficial, so the magnets work in attraction mode only.  The magnets pull themselves together and once they hit the "sticky spot", Eddy currents develop in the trailing edge tubes/coils, shunting the attraction as the two magnets begin to pull away from each other.  Remember, this "shielding" doesn't have to be perfect--51% more pull together versus 49% pull as they try to come apart would be enough, the inertia of the rotating wheel would be enough to keep the process going.

The Eddy currents will vibrate, ring within the copper tube and dissipate after a short moment.  We only need them there long enough for the two magnets to pull away beyond their relatively strong magnet attraction.

I guess I'm not writing my thoughts here clearly enough for people to visualize what I'm saying.  I reckon it's time to prepare some sort of demonstration.  Such a tough crowd to please.  ;)
lol BUT!!!!

hahaa

no i'm getting what your saying exactly.

 and i don't have the answer, what i was referring to was using a magnetic shielding. i have done small test with that. and above post was my conclusion on those tests.

as fat as what your saying, i do not know,

what i can tell you is if you have 49% to 51% your going to be running extremely slow.  that tinny bit of eddy currents will bog you down bad. but that may be a good thing, self limiting...

BUT... those copper pipe will get hot. and if hot enough, it will lessen the  life of the magnet, or kill ti all together.

last thought, please test it, just keep ED in your thoughts while you do it... 

you can visualize what its going to do ( as you may have already)

~Russ


Matt Watts

Asymmetric Magnets
« Reply #14, on February 25th, 2014, 10:28 AM »Last edited on February 25th, 2014, 10:58 AM
Well crud, Mother Nature strikes again.

So when you pass these magnets across each other at speed, the copper tube does in fact shield the magnetic field--that's the good news.  What I just discovered is that it does the same thing on the open side of the magnet too.  So it shields the exposed side as well as the covered side.

At slow or static movement, the copper tube does nothing, as I expected.

Hmmmm...   Not exactly the results I was hoping for, but there may still be something to this idea.

If the tube was sliced lengthwise through the hole, it would no longer act like a coil, so maybe a mechanical addition could be fabricated to short the tube out when shielding is desired and open the cut when it's not.  If this mechanical piece/switch could be properly synchronized with the coming and going magnetic fields, then we'd have something.  Or...  Maybe just a high amperage, low voltage UltraCap connected to the edges of the cut would do the trick.

freethisone

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #15, on March 1st, 2014, 06:36 PM »Last edited on March 1st, 2014, 06:39 PM
James roney stator..

A magnetic shield is a good work around, but i think i discovered another way to get a mono pole system running.
let me know what you think.

here is my logic, every magnet has a north and south pole, i can agree with that. the north side and the south side of a bar magnet is 1 foot long, that means a whole 6 inches of north pole, and 6 inches of south pole are available to do work.

as you see, i am saying that if the magnet be 6 feet long, 3 feet of that magnet is north pole, and the other is south.

so a one foot bar mag., im guessing about 6 inches of each pole. the  separation between poles. I say it is far enough  too act as a shielded magnet, but without the need to shield them at all.  ,
. :D :cool: :P

Matt Watts

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #16, on March 1st, 2014, 09:52 PM »
Quote from freethisone on March 1st, 2014, 06:36 PM
so a one foot bar mag., im guessing about 6 inches of each pole. the  separation between poles. I say it is far enough  too act as a shielded magnet, but without the need to shield them at all.  ,
. :D :cool: :P
Okay, I'm listening.  You might have something there.  Sketch up a little pic of how you think this 12" long stator would interact with a rotor.

freethisone

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #17, on March 1st, 2014, 11:03 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 1st, 2014, 09:52 PM
Okay, I'm listening.  You might have something there.  Sketch up a little pic of how you think this 12" long stator would interact with a rotor.
oh you bet i can do it, i already have many ideas. but i will toss you a bone. a bike wheel, replace spokes with the magnets.  the rotor is the stator in this case, all north on the inner hub, all south on the outer, i even devised a way to do this with a rotor in the shape of a triangle, or in the shape of a ferris wheel.  think about it, the inner hub will spin faster then the outer hub. as i had said before, i cant upload pictures for some reason.

freethisone

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #18, on March 11th, 2014, 06:02 PM »

not work

the reason this will not work is simple. there needs to be a magnetic field to look at. you need the green film to see it.
this is why this will not work. the space between magnets is to low, the width of the magnets in the v are too close, or to far.

Jimboot

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #19, on March 13th, 2014, 12:28 AM »
I've ordered some cmr mags to see if their peculiar patterns can be harnessed some of you may have seen jason verbelli playing with them. They actually now sell printing machines for them now as well

haiqu

Re: Magnet motor running a gen - wasif kahloon Pakistan
« Reply #20, on March 13th, 2014, 02:25 AM »
Simply arranging magnets around a wheel and opposing or attracting them won't work if the field on the wheel is symmetrical. You need a magnetic gradient to create mechanical force.