perpetual perm magnet movement solved.

i had done some experiments with hanging magnets and have shown forward motion.

i did this in the same manner i did at 13. a string on an axis with two tension, and a permanent magnetic field.

i can do this with a overhead fan. hang your threads, and magnets on each fin. i count 5. now at its base a large magnetic field. the fan will now rotate,.  and helical rotation. just like around a sun, caused by rotating magnetic fields.

cheers, feel free to try this.  i will give detail for the ideal shape of the orbiting, planets, and in the same manner affix my moons too cause another tension.

hint i used cd disks magnets and metal mass as my hanging external field.

Quote from Jimboot on March 17th, 2014, 11:25 PM

Hey Haiqu my 8 pairs of CMR mags arrived today.
I got 4 pairs of these http://www.amazingmagnets.com/c-117-spring.aspx
and 4 pairs of
http://www.amazingmagnets.com/show-decimal-fa20n01-fa20s01-d125h-pair.aspx
Nothing to report so far but they sure have interesting polar patterns

Some of these new magnets are pretty wild. I just got a shipment of N50 bars from China. Took ages to separate them and when they snapped back together one of them cracked. Really strong!

go to

at 7 min 30 sec.  of course now you really can include banded magnetic fields when using external magnetic fields to flow. 

i call this precession. what is happening the rotation of the magnetic field causes a rotation on the axis of an orbital object. it may have a high frequency of precession. angular momentum causes a movement of the tention,.  that in turn adds a force to the fan causing the fan to rotate.  it looks like a sunflower the way it moves around the band of a spinning magnetic field.

so the idea of a homopolar disk spinning with a magnetic field. cheers.. O:-)

Quote from freethisone on March 22nd, 2014, 05:08 AM

go to

at 7 min 30 sec.  of course now you really can include banded magnetic fields when using external magnetic fields to flow. 

see the effect described here..

cheers O:-)
i call this precession. what is happening the rotation of the magnetic field causes a rotation on the axis of an orbital object. it may have a high frequency of precession. angular momentum causes a movement of the tention,.  that in turn adds a force to the fan causing the fan to rotate.  it looks like a sunflower the way it moves around the band of a spinning magnetic field.

so the idea of a homopolar disk spinning with a magnetic field. cheers.. O:-)

Quote from freethisone on March 21st, 2014, 07:40 PM

perpetual perm magnet movement solved.

i had done some experiments with hanging magnets and have shown forward motion.

i did this in the same manner i did at 13. a string on an axis with two tension, and a permanent magnetic field.

i can do this with a overhead fan. hang your threads, and magnets on each fin. i count 5. now at its base a large magnetic field. the fan will now rotate,.  and helical rotation. just like around a sun, caused by rotating magnetic fields.

cheers, feel free to try this.  i will give detail for the ideal shape of the orbiting, planets, and in the same manner affix my moons too cause another tension.

hint i used cd disks magnets and metal mass as my hanging external field.

sept is of a magnet at its center.
if anyone wants to make a perm mag motor please read this. by trial and error the magnet should be at the center. because they are rotating magnetic fields the rotation at the mid point of circular magnets.

put your strongest magnets at the center, make a sun disk, one repel the other. now you can get rotation.



 :cool:

here this may help you see what is said. this guy has good stuff. you can relate disk with magnetic and gyroscopic movement to spinning fields with angular momentum. you can get angular velocity with spinning perm. magnetic fields, it is true that this is the case. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zopnx3AZBXA#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXV5RVjeWc8#

EDITED and video deleted because wow... I think that thing works.... going to have to rebuild it... it definitely speeds up but then wobbles and tries to keep going but the wobble increases because of this and stops it.

Here is my first experiment. I've had so many different versions of this thing in my head since like 2010-ish but not the right resources to test anything, all I could do is sit helplessly and watch other people try different variations haha. My friend claims this was done years ago... if so then why isn't it everywhere... idk.. w/e.

Quote from Apoc4lypse on September 13th, 2014, 04:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQc0EFjRRc (The video's owner prevents external embedding)

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The idea is quite simple, its repelling magnets to hoist it into the air almost friction-less with magnets repelling it up but in a gradient matter. The gravity pushing it down makes the magnets push off one another sort of. I probably should have spun it slower but whatever, you can see it speed up a bit but then it begins to wobble and this sort of ruins the magnetic gradient effect I have on this particular one and it cannot overcome the "up hill section" of the gradient. I actually managed to get it working better with magnets above it too to stabilize it (before it self destructed and magnets went flying everywhere [i wasn't permanently placing them yet]) but I'm thinking I just need to ditch the current crappy cds lol and just get some bearings and make it solid..

I sort of got distracted though recently with a newer idea I haven't seen much work on (more interested in this because its not mechanical and no ones really tried it i don't think..)
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Anyways let me know what you think and if you got more ideas... I got a TON of neodymium magnets to work with right now and its hard for me to sleep with the different ideas I'm getting the more I experiment with it.

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Yes, add in the bearings and take some RPM measurements to prove your observation. so you can finish that experiment before you invest into other ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86EVkt9AnEw#ws

Ok well I have a much more solid rig for it now but I'm running into problems... mine was working before because it was loose... I guess because it would fluxuate up and down so it wouldn't get stuck and gravity played a role in propelling it, now its sticking horribly im going to have to rethink my magnetic arrangement although I'm starting to think that everything cancels out no matter what you do... the more I play with it anyway, I have a few more ideas to test out though.

Quote from Lynx on February 2nd, 2014, 04:28 AM

Where did the 50 or 60 Hz sound come from the instant he closed the magnet "stator"?

I was thinking the same thing.  It would be so easy to hid some wires under that board and have someone flip a switch to power up the motor.  Most of the "over unity" machines that I have seen videos of were fake as far as I could tell(hidden wires and batteries or video editing).

Soooo... I ditched the cd's... to flimsy...

Also... I'm pretty excited over something... I'm still experimenting and testing the hypothesis though before I attempt a build...

This isn't like my hunch before though about the magnetic gradient design that I never did any math with I just thought like... the physical forces should end up being imbalanced and cause rotation based on my high school physics education on systems and the massive amount of research I've done on Wikipedia and Google and online and wherever on magnets. Although that design may help my current component idea to work better too... this new one is something I'm proud of at the moment. Doubt me or whatever for being vague, like I give a *** right now... but we will see...

Also I have a feeling there is a cover up behind this elusive machine especially based on this hypothesis... we've seen working videos most are accused of being scams the inventors end up not answering us, they "disappear" some are fake and everyone always says "lol magnets for energy thats silly" even the people with scientific backgrounds and degrees some say the forces will equal out no matter what and that a natural magnet is a "stable field" so it creates no motion or energy and getting anything out of it would violate the laws of physics... its just a "Stick point" if you will... nothing more.

I'm being vague because of the conspiracy possibility being very real

I'm hoping its just the power companies buying the ideas and slapping the Poo in there power plants to save on fuels... and not the other more grimm version being that they physically silence you or you disappear...

ORR its cuz all the working ones are fakes and the ones that are real don't work because of these problems...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hInwyQiG24#ws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMCpVY1SSJ8#ws

Also... the "Mcnutt" drive.. lol...


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My reasons for thinking conspiracy run deeper too but I really don't want to dive into that category with this thread... lets just say... my uncle worked for pse and g..like ALOT.... and my other uncle makes security systems for the CIA (yea.,..)... and my dads also very smart but hes more into biology... so I have no idea if my families involved at all... when I first had these ideas I got sent away a lot... i mean I did smoke alot of pot back then but im better now mostly sober and sane but it just all seems fishy to me like.. when i was better they wudnt let me leave, and they Flacked with my head but my word is Poo so it dont matter cant say anything ppl jus say im losing it so I dont talk about it anymore... and with the thing I just happened upon.. it makes me feel un-easy considering the Poo that happened to me...
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Seriously.... I bought magnets from home depot and put together a nearly working version of this thing in 48 friggin hours using cds and a cd holder... put fuken coils in and u have your god damn generator/free energy machine... I've been trying to tackle this free energy idea for over 7 years now... and that was just the initial research and minor experimentation (no money for parts to build stuff although I probably could have found a way) I concentrated more on the theory of it... the better the theory the more likely you can prove it right... I have a belief that in order to get something to work in this world in which I believe anything is possible.. you have to start with the abtract... if you get too scientific too fast its like reading a book too close to your face... you cant understand it, or looking at an image too close like a nice landscape painting of a thunderstorm over a field and lightning striking... hypothetically everyone was like omg rain it makes things grow... but why??? Then like 200 years later we still have the god damn rain drop under a magnifying glass and we are scratching our heads still at certain things... no one thought to check the soil... or the sun. (its just an example... metaphor or whatever...).

I think the key to understanding anything is, you have to study one aspect or area very extensively... then you have to back up as far away as you can and compare everything to what you studied earlier, simillar to how one would orient themselves in space.. you need at least two points right (not sure how true that is but I know it is when I'm in the line up for surfing).

That and reverse engineer the Poo out of everything related to what your trying to do or understand.

Apologize if I'm off the subject of the magnet motor at the moment but this is all to explain why I'm not blurting out like 30 different design ideas for builds for people to try. (see off topic tagged area). But it is all very related to it.


Edit: If anyone's interested in talking with me email me at dougmich24@yahoo.com
Would also like to know where I can go that's a safe place to discuss something if its sensitive like I think this is. I really dont want to disappear, and I really dont want this pried from my hands. Read far too many stories about people who had there Poo taken.


EDIT2 Also where can I buy a cheap tool for measuring RPM's it would give me far more accurate results then my current test method lol... and the one I found is like 80 bucks... would rather not spend that... i spent so much on neodymium magnets so far... and spent so much money recently on this stuff was wondering if there's an easier way...

$15 seems to be Ebay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmOiEpDT94#ws

Doug, take some time and read Ken Wheeler's free e-book and thread over at:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?t=17560

This guy has it figured out better than anyone I've seen so far.  Also catch his YT videos:
https://www.youtube.com/user/kathodosdotcom/videos

If the ideas you have don't start to gel into something you can actually build, I'd be very surprised.

Hmm cool this looks like a good read, I'll look into it... right now im trying to make a DIY tachometer, I'm going to try using an old optical mouse sensor a laser pointer and a reflective point on the spinning device, should be able to get an idea of it more light = faster less = slower right? Makes sense... anway gotta eat been starving myself lately cuz ive been working and researching this so much then I'm going to try setting that up.

So far with the sample size I have been using a stop watch to measure how long it spins for when I spin it the results are as follows...

Ok so far The Control group values meaning the motor with nothing done to it
spun an average of 128.9  (sample size = 36)

Then if I took my idea and put it in the reversed configuration it spun
an average of 82.1 (Sample size = 12)

Then with the configuration working with the motor
I got an average of 141.4166666666 or so...  (Sample size 12)


So according to that while its sort of.. uh not very scientific and I was spinning it with my hand as fast as I could with the stop watch right next to the motor so I could start and stop it as quickly as possible while spinning it the results are a little dodgy still I need an extra person to run the stop watch for me, but all in all according to these results my configuration reversed Definitely slows it down u reversed it seems to be helping the motor spin but I need to take a larger sample size of that still. It seems to get about 10-14 points above the control group though which seems like a positive result... :)

The best part is the simplicity of these configurations... like seriously lol... its commical and beautiful at the same time if its really this simple.

So Control = 128.9

Magnetic influence = 141.416

Negative Magnetic Influence = 82.1

I'm so happy with that right now haha...

Its also so much better than the other method, the other method is too costly (well not that bad) but it requires sooo many more magnets and the results are minimal, this however is amazing... if I add enough magnets to it in this configuration the motor just might spin itself.

Wish me luck... lol


UPDATE


Ok this time I did it differently instead of spinning it as fast as  I could and seeing which spins longer i made it easier for me and my hand by just doing a regular spin...

The sample size is 21 no magnets and 21 with a positive magnetic configuration.

The results are

No magnets = avg 97.1

With magnets = 107.1

So its like a 3% increase in efficiency so far, but thats with barely using any magnets in the configuration.

I think if done right with enough magnets it will spin on its own...

UPDATE 2

Alright I got a better configuration now...

Avg 127 with just averagely spinning it compared to averagely spinning it with no magnets which gets about a 97.1...

Now im going to spin it with no magnets fast as i can and average that and compare to that average of 127... about a 23% increase in spin time or a 23% decrease in the motors physical resistance..

I might not have the right supplies to get this to spin on its own... its very sensitive it may require machining neodymium magnets to specific sizes, maybe theres a way to calculate it though to sort of get it exact so its all balanced enough and it will spin on its own, might be able to calculate it actually based on magnetic field strengths and coil length and howmuch of each material is being used
 etc... so when i try to add anything to this it seems to lose momentum i think because i cannot add or subtract the correct amount of magnetic force to the device... but the closer i get to balancing all the forces it seems the higher that efficiency increases... like... from 107 to 127... by just adding a miniature disc magnet is pretty good... from 3% increase to a 23%... 20% more efficient just by adding a small disc magnet...

edit ok... finally got my volt meter to register amps... going to do the same tests above with that and see which gets higher amps.

Posted: September 16th, 2014, 11:11 AM

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2153.msg29132#msg29132

Ok so I quickly retracted my video of a semi working experimental version of this idea because of Morale and Ethical reasons of too much energy falling into the hands of big business to further keep us below them.... but however I will post my scientific findings that you guys can probably make more sense of that than them anyways.

Plus if this is combined with the Back EMF generator ideas the two combined might get us some serious results here.

Plus add in the TPU effect?