Quote from phil on November 10th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Have a look here on page 64, theres a guy using a pressure relief valve to act as a flame arrester.

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf

I wonder if it could be combined with the airstone, so the airstone doesnt take such a pounding?

love the photo!

also, one can use a check valve also but its really not the safest way... and with the HHO we know it will kill you... be safe!

~Russ

Quote from Rwg42985 on November 11th, 2011, 07:35 AM

Quote from phil on November 10th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Have a look here on page 64, theres a guy using a pressure relief valve to act as a flame arrester.

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf

I wonder if it could be combined with the airstone, so the airstone doesnt take such a pounding?

love the photo!

also, one can use a check valve also but its really not the safest way... and with the HHO we know it will kill you... be safe!

~Russ

I don't know if I really follow what you guys are talking about as a flashback arrester in the Stan Meyers system and where it will be located. But I know in my HHO system I used a 1/2 PVC 2" long capped on each end with a 1/4 inch holes drilled into each end cap to accept my clear 1/4" tubing. I filled the 2" PVC pipe filled with steel wool crammed into the pipe as tight as I could get it and it doesnt restrict airflow very much at all and has saved me countless amounts of times from blowing up anything including me or my cell. I have tested it 50 times + as everytime I shut down the system flashes back without any explosions past the steelwool to the cell.

Scott

ok, so with some help of my you tube viewers...

here is what i think i will be getting,

i just need to pick a size and calculate some info. like what will fit in my pipe.

see here:

http://www.smallparts.com/s?savedSearchKeyword=&keywords=&page=1&size=20&searchNodeID=16414011&ref_=sp_s_clr_a_field-shipping_option-bin&field-material_browse=16414531&x=0&y=0

not to bad on price, at lease its worth the safety!

let me know your thoughts!

~Russ

Torch manufacturers use bronze wool in the mixing chamber of the torch to stop a flash back.:D

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on November 23rd, 2011, 12:47 AM

ok, so with some help of my you tube viewers...

here is what i think i will be getting,

i just need to pick a size and calculate some info. like what will fit in my pipe.

see here:

http://www.smallparts.com/s?savedSearchKeyword=&keywords=&page=1&size=20&searchNodeID=16414011&ref_=sp_s_clr_a_field-shipping_option-bin&field-material_browse=16414531&x=0&y=0

not to bad on price, at lease its worth the safety!

let me know your thoughts!

~Russ

that looks like the stuff you want, porus ceramic discs

i notice the sizes of them are given in microns, thats thousanths of a mm

0.015" (stans) = 381 micron

the biggest i saw on that list was a 6 micron, i guess having smaller holes wont matter depends what kinda flow youre dealing with

Lets hope that we can get by with the $22 discs and not the $245 ones.

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Wow, that´s a very good product presentation! Thanks h2opower :-)

Up to now I have ordered one ER10 and it has entered my lab yesterday.

Awesome design and professional build!

Now it´s time for testing using this standarized Stan Meyer type professionally assembled resonant cavity. A second device is in line to be ordered.

For a long time I had been looking for an excitor array "off the shelf" and now I´m happy to have found one at True Green Solutions.
That´s my true motivation to support True Green Solutions as good as I can.

I have built 2 prototypes by myself but none of them worked out fine. So I spent a lot of time and money for mechanical issues and component search and summing up my time and costs for the prototypes I can say I spent much more than the price for an ER10 ... So now I know by experience that I can´t build it cheaper by myself.

I´m focussed on electronics and software development so I´m glad that now I can achieve lots of time for experiments and optimization by adding those commercial products with "plug and play" features to my laboratory equipment. Working on this technology for a breakthru needs a professional workload sharing aproach like a virtual component store by the way that people out there bring in their specific core competences instead of anyone replicating other´s components from ground up ...

Looking forward for True Green Solution´s quenching tube ...

bussi04

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hi my first post here I share the views of both bussi04 and h20power that his er 10 is the way to enter stan meyers  plan for water as  fuel and that h20power has the wfc that is of a high standard of design  but was never sure of the price -if it is justified -bussi04 thinks so - as for me its most likely the way to access the hydrogen in its mono atomic state but a wfc is useless without a well designed electrical circuitry system to go with it - as i cannot produce any of these i will wait and watch  for your  results:s

Quote from peteroks on November 24th, 2011, 06:53 PM

hi my first post here I share the views of both bussi04 and h20power that his er 10 is the way to enter stan meyers  plan for water as  fuel and that h20power has the wfc that is of a high standard of design  but was never sure of the price -if it is justified -bussi04 thinks so - as for me its most likely the way to access the hydrogen in its mono atomic state but a wfc is useless without a well designed electrical circuitry system to go with it - as i cannot produce any of these i will wait and watch  for your  results:s

@peteroks

I have found a store sellling really cool components. Take a look at http://source-for-innovations.com/products.htm and you´ll get a nice startup for your equipment. It´s the most compact Stan Meyer like functional pulse generator I found up to now. No soldering, just plug and play, amazing ...

bussi04

Quote from bussi04 on November 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Quote from peteroks on November 24th, 2011, 06:53 PM

hi my first post here I share the views of both bussi04 and h20power that his er 10 is the way to enter stan meyers  plan for water as  fuel and that h20power has the wfc that is of a high standard of design  but was never sure of the price -if it is justified -bussi04 thinks so - as for me its most likely the way to access the hydrogen in its mono atomic state but a wfc is useless without a well designed electrical circuitry system to go with it - as i cannot produce any of these i will wait and watch  for your  results:s

@peteroks

I have found a store sellling really cool components. Take a look at http://source-for-innovations.com/products.htm and you´ll get a nice startup for your equipment. It´s the most compact Stan Meyer like functional pulse generator I found up to now. No soldering, just plug and play, amazing ...

bussi04

Are the VIC bobbins they are selling the same product True Green Solutions will be selling?  They look really close to the same design, nice quality.  I think $120 for the pulse train chip seems a bit high, plus almost $27 for the software front end. :-/ How would someone add the rest of Stan's circuits to it... possible?

Nate

Quote from firepinto on November 25th, 2011, 05:06 PM

Quote from bussi04 on November 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Quote from peteroks on November 24th, 2011, 06:53 PM

hi my first post here I share the views of both bussi04 and h20power that his er 10 is the way to enter stan meyers  plan for water as  fuel and that h20power has the wfc that is of a high standard of design  but was never sure of the price -if it is justified -bussi04 thinks so - as for me its most likely the way to access the hydrogen in its mono atomic state but a wfc is useless without a well designed electrical circuitry system to go with it - as i cannot produce any of these i will wait and watch  for your  results:s

@peteroks

I have found a store sellling really cool components. Take a look at http://source-for-innovations.com/products.htm and you´ll get a nice startup for your equipment. It´s the most compact Stan Meyer like functional pulse generator I found up to now. No soldering, just plug and play, amazing ...

bussi04

Are the VIC bobbins they are selling the same product True Green Solutions will be selling?  They look really close to the same design, nice quality.  I think $120 for the pulse train chip seems a bit high, plus almost $27 for the software front end. :-/ How would someone add the rest of Stan's circuits to it... possible?

Nate

Yes, those bobbins can be used the same way like Stan Meyer´s.
As I checked out the pulse generator is a complete cpu unit like ardino and can and will be expanded in funcitonality. In it´s basis version it´s a pulser but hardware funcitionality will be expanded by cheap software modules. they will also provide socket modules for drivers stages with mosfet or darlingtons.
So price for an "all in one module" seems ok for me. I´m testing one of them for a few days now and it works fine :-)

bussi04

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Quote from bussi04 on November 25th, 2011, 11:38 PM

Quote from firepinto on November 25th, 2011, 05:06 PM

Quote from bussi04 on November 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Quote from peteroks on November 24th, 2011, 06:53 PM

hi my first post here I share the views of both bussi04 and h20power that his er 10 is the way to enter stan meyers  plan for water as  fuel and that h20power has the wfc that is of a high standard of design  but was never sure of the price -if it is justified -bussi04 thinks so - as for me its most likely the way to access the hydrogen in its mono atomic state but a wfc is useless without a well designed electrical circuitry system to go with it - as i cannot produce any of these i will wait and watch  for your  results:s

@peteroksh2opower

I have found a store sellling really cool components. Take a look at http://source-for-innovations.com/products.htm and you´ll get a nice startup for your equipment. It´s the most compact Stan MeyerStanMeyersh2opowerWFCWFCselling like functional pulse generator I found up to now. No soldering, just plug and play, amazing ...

bussi04

Are the VIC bobbins they are selling the same product True Green Solutions will be selling?  They look really close to the same design, nice quality.  I think $120 for the pulse train chip seems a bit high, plus almost $27 for the software front end. :-/ How would someone add the rest of Stan's circuits to it... possible?

Nate

Yes, those bobbins can be used the same way like Stan Meyer´s.
As I checked out the pulse generator is a complete cpu unit like ardino and can and will be expanded in functionality. In it´s basis version it´s a pulser but hardware functionality will be expanded by cheap software modules. they will also provide socket modules for drivers stages with mosfet or Darlington's.
So price for an "all in one module" seems ok for me. I´m testing one of them for a few days now and it works fine :-)

bussi04

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Well my question about the VIC bobbins wasn't really answered, but thanks for the Billy Maize flashback. :)

Quote from firepinto on November 26th, 2011, 05:25 AM

Well my question about the VIC bobbins wasn't really answered, but thanks for the Billy Maize flashback. :)

@firepinto

I think yes, quite the same as True Green Solutions.

Anyone with the right equipment can work out those bobbins. But he has to do. Material may differ in a minor way but more important is that the bobbins must fit the inductors´ demands to get in resonance with the WFC.

I have made some bobbins for initial tests of my transformers but as prototypes they didn´t fit to my WFC. Now that I have an ER10 I will set up a chain with pulser, new bobbins, transformer and ER10 and that way I get the same working conditions like h2opower and can exchange data.

bussi04

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Hi H20, what I think might be or could be happening is that at least 75% of us are holding off from spending more money until there is a full solution or close to it, to the H20 for automotive use. I am trying to do my part by experimentation, in support of the form, I will also share what I learn and have spent a great deal of money in what I have done thus far, that's why this form and others like it are so important , so we can share information. Once there is a full solution, I am sure your company will take off, just because it's not happening now don't give up, because people that do not have the skills or the understanding of the science about what we are discussing will be coming to you, Stan thought he could do it in 6 months when it took him 15 years, I hope it doesn't take that long cause I probably won't be around to see it. Your products are top notch and I don't think anyone would be making a mistake by buying a product from you. All that being said, It might just be a little premature for your company to take off at this time, thanks for being here, you have helped us all, Jeff.:D

Russ,

I have some stainless steel type 316L porous discs from McMaster-Carr rated at 40 micron with dimensions of 0.5" diameter by 0.062" thick. Are these dimensions approximate to the battery vent cap you have? See attached images and also the manufacture's website:

http://www.appliedporous.com/

Quote from haxar on November 30th, 2011, 11:46 PM

Russ,

I have some stainless steel type 316L porous discs from McMaster-Carr rated at 40 micron with dimensions of 0.5" diameter by 0.062" thick. Are these dimensions approximate to the battery vent cap you have? See attached images and also the manufacture's website:

http://www.appliedporous.com/

interesting, yes those are with in spec's. i just don't know how they will act near a flame front.

those we can find easy. (i believe)  but still want to test some ceramic for the fact that i will be right next to the flame front...

you get a hho generator working give it a test???

right now I'm waiting on a return information on getting some  samples. if that dont work I'm going for the smallparts.com

thanks!!!!

~Russ

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 26th, 2011, 04:43 PM

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Hi H20, what I think might be or could be happening is that at least 75% of us are holding off from spending more money until there is a full solution or close to it, to the H20 for automotive use. I am trying to do my part by experimentation, in support of the form, I will also share what I learn and have spent a great deal of money in what I have done thus far, that's why this form and others like it are so important , so we can share information. Once there is a full solution, I am sure your company will take off, just because it's not happening now don't give up, because people that do not have the skills or the understanding of the science about what we are discussing will be coming to you, Stan thought he could do it in 6 months when it took him 15 years, I hope it doesn't take that long cause I probably won't be around to see it. Your products are top notch and I don't think anyone would be making a mistake by buying a product from you. All that being said, It might just be a little premature for your company to take off at this time, thanks for being here, you have helped us all, Jeff.:D

Jeff very well said, my sentiments exactly. I would also like to add to never lose sight of who this is coming from and for. This is for all of us and our children and grandchildren and that this technology would be coming from all of us. Also try to always remember what Stan had in large print written on the side of his dune buggy.

Godbless and Godspeed to all!
Scott

Quote from HHOstar on December 1st, 2011, 02:42 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 26th, 2011, 04:43 PM

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Hi H20, what I think might be or could be happening is that at least 75% of us are holding off from spending more money until there is a full solution or close to it, to the H20 for automotive use. I am trying to do my part by experimentation, in support of the form, I will also share what I learn and have spent a great deal of money in what I have done thus far, that's why this form and others like it are so important , so we can share information. Once there is a full solution, I am sure your company will take off, just because it's not happening now don't give up, because people that do not have the skills or the understanding of the science about what we are discussing will be coming to you, Stan thought he could do it in 6 months when it took him 15 years, I hope it doesn't take that long cause I probably won't be around to see it. Your products are top notch and I don't think anyone would be making a mistake by buying a product from you. All that being said, It might just be a little premature for your company to take off at this time, thanks for being here, you have helped us all, Jeff.:D

Jeff very well said, my sentiments exactly. I would also like to add to never lose sight of who this is coming from and for. This is for all of us and our children and grandchildren and that this technology would be coming from all of us. Also try to always remember what Stan had in large print written on the side of his dune buggy.

Godbless and Godspeed to all!
Scott

Thanks Scott, I agree, and thanks for the added comments, Jeff.:D

 here is anther option for the  tubes that control the h1 output ie quenching tubes recently it came to mind  of another reseacher that graphite nano tubes (ultimate Hydrogen storage) can be made cheaply using a liquid graphite product ( commonly used for  electroplating  non conductive items and readily available) to saturate fibre matrix (nylon/ wool carpet/ microfiber cloths. by encasing nano/micro fibres in liquid graphite , that dries to solid graphite , will leave tube structures once cooked/ hydride with heat to burn out the fibre leaving porous tubes matrix.
 this may also be used for porous graphite electrodes.
just another option we should consider if it is a cheaper option

Quote from HHOstar on December 1st, 2011, 02:42 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 26th, 2011, 04:43 PM

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Hi H20, what I think might be or could be happening is that at least 75% of us are holding off from spending more money until there is a full solution or close to it, to the H20 for automotive use. I am trying to do my part by experimentation, in support of the form, I will also share what I learn and have spent a great deal of money in what I have done thus far, that's why this form and others like it are so important , so we can share information. Once there is a full solution, I am sure your company will take off, just because it's not happening now don't give up, because people that do not have the skills or the understanding of the science about what we are discussing will be coming to you, Stan thought he could do it in 6 months when it took him 15 years, I hope it doesn't take that long cause I probably won't be around to see it. Your products are top notch and I don't think anyone would be making a mistake by buying a product from you. All that being said, It might just be a little premature for your company to take off at this time, thanks for being here, you have helped us all, Jeff.:D

Jeff very well said, my sentiments exactly. I would also like to add to never lose sight of who this is coming from and for. This is for all of us and our children and grandchildren and that this technology would be coming from all of us. Also try to always remember what Stan had in large print written on the side of his dune buggy.

Godbless and Godspeed to all!
Scott

god speed Scott!!!!

PS, send me an email,

RWG42985@aol.com in case you forgot!

god bless us all! Stan was in the right place! and its good to see! :)

also moved this conversation over here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=186

Thanks! ~Russ

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You can certainly put me down for a couple of meters of quenching tube.:)

Maybe in the future do a Heavy duty version with a protective sheath around it, for permenent installation in engine bays etc? Or think of a way to fit couplings on the end for easy installation?

Its a shame the HHO games has just gone, im sure you'd have shifted loads of the stuff there! We dont really get much like that going on here in the UK to my knowledge, but if i get the chance to spread the word about your products, i will.

@ Russ
I was working at a place that makes medical supplies today. They accualy make the needles for hyperdermic needles. When i seen this, it came to my mind that several small needles like theses grouped together and silver soldered together some way would make a nice flash back arrester. You can get theses needles as less than 15 thousands dia. hole in them. Just an idea.

Quote from gpssonar on December 20th, 2011, 05:01 PM

@ Russ
I was working at a place that makes medical supplies today. They accualy make the needles for hyperdermic needles. When i seen this, it came to my mind that several small needles like theses grouped together and silver soldered together some way would make a nice flash back arrester. You can get theses needles as less than 15 thousands dia. hole in them. Just an idea.

hey, i think phill or some one was looking in to this also. its not a bad idea.

but, what would it cost for lets say 100 of these needles?

just a thought? but i'm interested in finding out just for pure thought of cost for that type of thing.

thanks for the thoughts!!!

i have some updates to add here but i will post as a video! :)
~Russ

Quote from haxar on November 30th, 2011, 11:46 PM

Russ,

I have some stainless steel type 316L porous discs from McMaster-Carr rated at 40 micron with dimensions of 0.5" diameter by 0.062" thick. Are these dimensions approximate to the battery vent cap you have? See attached images and also the manufacture's website:

http://www.appliedporous.com/

haxar, are you in the usa? if so would you be willing to donate one of these disks if you have them to do some testing?

it looks like 60-30 microns is what stan was using. calulated from .025" - .0015"

thanks

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 11:10 PM

haxar, are you in the usa? if so would you be willing to donate one of these disks if you have them to do some testing?

it looks like 60-30 microns is what stan was using. calulated from .025" - .0015"

thanks

~Russ

Yes, I pondered and possibly will donate some of these discs to you with some other stuff as well until I have the RepRap Mendel 3D printer I just received to assemble up and running.

Quote from haxar on December 21st, 2011, 01:19 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 11:10 PM

haxar, are you in the usa? if so would you be willing to donate one of these disks if you have them to do some testing?

it looks like 60-30 microns is what stan was using. calulated from .025" - .0015"

thanks

~Russ

Yes, I pondered and possibly will donate some of these discs to you with some other stuff as well until I have the RepRap Mendel 3D printer I just received to assemble up and running.

cool my friend. i only need one to try. i will even send it back when done. i would try to buy some but they come in a big pack and are way to expensive just to try. i will even buy just one from you to try. let me know and we can get it going!

PM me about it if you'd like!

thanks! ~Russ