Air charge accumulator.

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #26, on February 11th, 2015, 06:22 AM »
why is that being added Matt?

 you dont want to talk about the concept? you dont understand it? or you want to prove this is the case?
i want people to understand how i can stand up to the test. Ill add this and link the source to get you more interested.

http://www.antigravitytechnology.net/thomas_townsend_brown.html

So why is this man's life such a complete mystery?

Born in 1905 to a prominent Midwest family, Thomas Townsend Brown was expected to take the reins of the family’s diverse business interests. Like so many of his now-revered predecessors, he chose instead to explore the mysteries of a much larger universe.

Expanding on his original discoveries through more than four decades, Brown built numerous wingless devices that flew without any conventional means of propulsion – the precursors to a future generation of gravity-defying “electric spacecraft.”

Townsend_Brown_Saucer3.jpg (19721 bytes)The Biefeld–Brown Effect is an effect that was discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown (USA) and Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld (Switzerland). The effect is more widely referred to as electrohydrodynamics (EHD) or sometimes electro-fluid-dynamics, a counterpart to the well-known magneto-hydrodynamics. Small models lifted by this effect are sometimes called 'lifters'.

 

The effect relies on corona discharge, which allows air molecules to become ionized near sharp points and edges. Usually, two electrodes are used with a high voltage between them, ranging from a few kilovolts and up to megavolt levels, where one electrode is small or sharp, and the other larger and smoother. The most effective distance between electrodes occurs at an electric field gradient of about 10 kV/cm, which is just below the nominal breakdown voltage of air between two sharp points, at a current density level usually referred to as the saturated corona current condition. This creates a high field gradient around the smaller, positively charged electrode. Around this electrode, ionisation occurs, that is, electrons are stripped off the atoms in the surrounding medium, they are literally pulled right off by the electrode's charge.

 This leaves a cloud of positively charged ions in the medium, which are attracted to the negative smooth electrode, where they are neutralized again. In the process, thousands of impacts occur between these charged ions and the neutral air molecules in the air gap, causing a transfer in momentum between the two, which creates a net directional force on the electrode setup. This effect can be used for propulsion (see EHD thruster), fluid pumps and recently also in EHD cooling systems.

 The effect has become something of a cause célèbre in the UFO world, where it is seen as an example of something much more exotic than electrokinetics. Charles Berlitz devoted an entire chapter of his book The Philadelphia Experiment to a retelling of Brown's early work with the effect, implying he had discovered some new electrogravity effect being used by UFOs. In fact Brown was fully aware of how the device worked, but that makes for a less interesting story. Today the Internet is filled with sites devoted to this interpretation of the effect (see below for some of the more profound sites).

 An article by M. Tajmar (see below, or a summary) describes an experiment designed to test the possibility that this effect may need some other effect than ion winds for its explanation. No such effect was found, to the limit of experimental accuracy. In particular, no thrust could be observed in a vacuum.

 Some people think that the Tesla coil might be related to this effect. In fact, when Tesla came to the USA he was supposedly carrying plans for a "flying machine". The only common factor between a Tesla coil and the Biefeld–Brown effect is that, in both of them, high voltage plays a vital role. High field gradients between electrode plates, can be produced by an AC circuit powered by Tesla coils.






http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/supressed_inventions/suppressed_inventions25.htm

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #27, on February 11th, 2015, 06:28 AM »Last edited on February 11th, 2015, 06:36 AM
here is another good link on the subject of air charges.

http://www.thomastownsendbrown.com/stress/index.htm

http://www.thomastownsendbrown.com/hydro/index.htm#videos O:-)
http://www.thomastownsendbrown.com/stress/rose.htm

Stress in Dielectrics
(Biefeld-Brown Effect)
(Return to Library Index)

Relevant Documents | Relevant Articles | Submitted Articles | Letters

"Stress in Dielectrics" is a rather innocuous description of what is by far the most controversial aspects of Townsend Brown's research. Simply stated by Townsend Brown in 1977:

"The basic Biefeld-Brown effect is quite simple. It is manifested as a departure from the Coulomb Law of electrostatic attraction, in that the opposite forces are not equal. The negative electrode appears to chase the positive electrode, so that there is a net force of the system (dipole) in the negative-to-positive direction.The Biefeld-Brown Effect states that in a highly charged, two-electrode system, the positive electrode will "lead" the negative electrode in the direction of the line between the two electrodes, or, the negative electrode will appear to be more attracted to the positive electrode than vice-versa. The negative electrode appears to "chase" the positive electrode, so that there is a net force of the system (a dipole) in the negative to positive direction.

This 'pure' force is a secondary effect and therefore somewhat difficult to isolate from ambient electrostatic forces which are much stronger by nature and tend to confuse any observations and there interpretation."

The "Biefeld-Brown Effect," sometimes referred to as the "Townsend Brown Effect," is frequently erronously associated with ionic wind "lifters," most likely stemming from Townsend Brown's work with electrostatic speakers/fans/precipitators, which were designed to maximize the ionic (electrostatic) wind effect. The "thrust" created by lifters is due to the ionization of atmospheric gases, and the apparatuses are designed to maximize that effect. Two fundamental characteristics of the Biefeld-Brown Effect become clear to the studious observer:

1) It has been proven numerous times that lifters will not work in a vacuum, demonstrating that ionic wind is, in fact, responsible for the thrust generated, and thus, any force generated by the coupling of electromagnetic and gravitational force would represent the normal residual gravitational field associated with any electromagnetic effect.

Townsend Brown conclusively demonstrated in France in the 1950's that his tri-arcuate discs performed more efficiently in a vacuum than at atmospheric pressure. Although the discoid apparatuses worked well in air, the associated ionic wind was considered wasted energy, and they were specifically designed to work most efficiently in a vacuum. At higher pressures associated with atmospheric pressures, significant ionic wind associated with the high voltages used in the discoid apparatuses was utilized to enhance the thrust. As the vacuum increased the discoid apparatuses utilized an effect called plasmahydrodynamics to enhance the thrust, until ultimately relying primarily on the Biefeld-Brown Effect as ultra-high vacuum pressures were obtained.

2) The pure Biefeld-Brown Effect does not incorporate an ionic wind component.


nav

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #28, on February 11th, 2015, 06:40 AM »
So, is Brown saying that electric field pressure and electromagnetic field pressure can be manifested into real thrust?

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #29, on February 11th, 2015, 06:52 AM »
Quote from nav on February 11th, 2015, 06:40 AM
So, is Brown saying that electric field pressure and electromagnetic field pressure can be manifested into real thrust?
he said there isn't a equal and opposite force, but one is stronger. also ion wind has nothing to do with it. regardless there is a cooling effect near sharp points. and a inflow of positive , and neg ions. the pressure , and magnetic field pressure you are referring too is based on moving charges.





http://www.foresight.org/Conferences/MNT7/Papers/Hughes/ here is more information and its linkk



Theory
Dielectrophoresis

Consider a dielectric particle suspended in a spatially non-uniform electric field such as that shown in figure 1. The applied field induces a dipole in the particle; the interaction of the induced dipole with the electric field generates a force. Due to the presence of a field gradient, these forces are not equal and there is a net movement. If the particle is more conductive than the medium around it (as shown in the figure), the dipole aligns with the field and the force acts up the field gradient towards the region of highest electric field. If the particle is less polarisable than the medium, the dipole aligns against the field and the particle is repelled from regions of high electric field [Pethig 1996]. The force is dependent on the induced dipole, and is unaffected by the direction of the electric field, responding only to the field gradient. Since the alignment of the field is irrelevant, this force can also be generated in AC fields which has the advantage of reducing any electrophoretic force (due to any net particle charge) to zero.

nav

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #30, on February 11th, 2015, 09:45 AM »
I once read an article about the amount of pressure that a dielectric is capable of and I've also read something about the sharp edge scenario in crystal - electro technology such as the piezo effect, when you read some of this stuff you begin to realise that we've just began to scratch the surface of electricity and its effects.

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #31, on February 11th, 2015, 10:34 AM »Last edited on February 11th, 2015, 11:04 AM
Quote from nav on February 11th, 2015, 09:45 AM
I once read an article about the amount of pressure that a dielectric is capable of and I've also read something about the sharp edge scenario in crystal - electro technology such as the piezo effect, when you read some of this stuff you begin to realise that we've just began to scratch the surface of electricity and its effects.
here is a very good link to explanation. think in terms of free electrons.
http://www.rexresearch.com/gravitor/gravitor.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WsSXiEDLc8#


imagine now what we left out? that little foil lifter, well its a small fraction of what i can obtain in terms of surface area is concerned.
Quote from freethisone on August 5th, 2014, 12:07 AM
the forum community should be able to prove or disprove these claims.

my test set up suggestion for anyone willing to advance,

test setup. 1; a variable capacitor. 2; a charged surface. a ground wire.

guide line . test small surfaces by charging of a cap. use the lowest setting.  now increase the size of the reflector,   test the time of charge vs charging.voltages or density.  i claim as the surface area increases so do the charging times, and capacity of the variable capcitor


charge divided by radius.

sigma divided by surface area..  at 3 min  Walter lewin tells us we have a 5 times higher surface charge density. 5 times higher.  therfore i can use the earth as a source of equa potential. Ions are a dipole source with spin, and pressure. positive charge , variable Cap. charge times reduce as voltages go up on larger and larger euqa potential surfaces. without adding more current. In fact if we had done this with a very very high negative potential, infact we would have a air conditioner with energy being drawn from vast distances.

gain in electron volts. delta v delta x. cause of additional ions.
one extra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnIfYx6NXK4#ws


freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #33, on March 21st, 2015, 01:38 PM »Last edited on March 21st, 2015, 01:44 PM
the first real images of the free energy devise and the scientific  principles that will follow.

i have another devise.  and its even more spectacular  from what you will see..

my ion accumulator dc transformer, has its secret in the foundation of spin. and duality...

after the principle of charging through a gap we have our capacitors that of a electric motor. these capacitor are the corner stone to unlocking what Tomas e, set forth to do.  has done..

combine Tesla theory and  much older writings of the same to unlocking the potential of the center of our universe..

a new wonder, plume waving, Maxwell...

the mist of the overcharged universe theory, produces in a little book... O:-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblGWkT0RjM#

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #34, on March 21st, 2015, 01:56 PM »Last edited on March 21st, 2015, 02:14 PM
Quote from freethisone on March 21st, 2015, 01:38 PM
the first real images of the free energy devise and the scientific  principles that will follow.

i have another devise.  and its even more spectacular  from what you will see..

my ion accumulator dc transformer, has its secret in the foundation of spin. and duality...

after the principle of charging through a gap we have our capacitors that of a electric motor. these capacitor are the corner stone to unlocking what Tomas e, set forth to do.  has done..

combine Tesla theory and  much older writings of the same to unlocking the potential of the center of our universe..

a new wonder, plume waving, Maxwell...

the mist of the overcharged universe theory, produces in a little book... O:-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblGWkT0RjM#
Quote from freethisone on March 21st, 2015, 01:38 PM
the first real images of the free energy devise and the scientific  principles that will follow.

i have another devise.  and its even more spectacular  from what you will see..

my ion accumulator dc transformer, has its secret in the foundation of spin. and duality...

after the principle of charging through a gap we have our capacitors that of a electric motor. these capacitor are the corner stone to unlocking what Tomas e, set forth to do.  has done..

combine Tesla theory and  much older writings of the same to unlocking the potential of the center of our universe..

a new wonder, plume waving, Maxwell...

the mist of the overcharged universe theory, produces in a little book... O:-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblGWkT0RjM#
Quote from freethisone on March 21st, 2015, 01:38 PM
the first real images of the free energy devise and the scientific  principles that will follow.

i have another devise.  and its even more spectacular  from what you will see..

my ion accumulator dc transformer, has its secret in the foundation of spin. and duality...

after the principle of charging through a gap we have our capacitors that of a electric motor. these capacitor are the corner stone to unlocking what Tomas e, set forth to do.  has done..

combine Tesla theory and  much older writings of the same to unlocking the potential of the center of our universe..

a new wonder, plume waving, Maxwell...

the mist of the overcharged universe theory, produces in a little book... O:-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblGWkT0RjM#
the scientific principles to the electrode gravidic effect ..

what follows is the scientific principles layered out by freethisone .  in the 7 levels of the candy cane forest..

the ion wind explained to a degree of simplicity we can teach a child.

the leading edge, and its delta wing...  there is a way to under charge one wire to a much greater degree of the area of a  saucer..


set forth by Tesla, Henry Cavendish, and many more to be named in the almanac..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QTzxah6fOI#


a special thanks to Tomas Bearden for his exact analogy...

and here is a link. i say Tomas will be ex--static...http://www.cheniere.org/


and freethisone is a first? in a series of proofs, that lead to the foundation of or universe.. :heart: O:-) :idea:

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #35, on March 21st, 2015, 02:30 PM »
guide line . test small surfaces by charging of a cap. use the lowest setting.  now increase the size of the reflector,   test the time of charge vs charging.voltages or density.  i claim as the surface area increases so do the charging times, and capacity of the variable capcitor


charge divided by radius.

sigma divided by surface area..  at 3 min  Walter lewin tells us we have a 5 times higher surface charge density. 5 times higher.  therfore i can use the earth as a source of equa potential. Ions are a dipole source with spin, and pressure. positive charge , variable Cap. charge times reduce as voltages go up on larger and larger euqa potential surfaces. without adding more current. In fact if we had done this with a very very high negative potential, infact we would have a air conditioner with energy being drawn from vast distances.

gain in electron volts. delta v delta x. cause of additional ions.



 in a series of proofs, that lead to the foundation of or universe now i tell you that wer are a 5 times lower potetial, then the universe pours out.

therfore i am a 5 times lower charge then any point in space..

now i have been awarded the nobel prize, and will share it with our founders.. Tomas Bearden, Henry Cavendish, Townsend brown. Tesla Edison Maxwell Faraday Plato and as i am the conductor of this song..

Standing on the corner stone of the Greatest of men..



freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #37, on March 27th, 2015, 03:15 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2015, 04:38 PM
congrats to all who had benefited. looks like you can take it from here. my work is done.. Gratz to Vinny for getting it going. to bad all  he can see is dollar signs, So you  want to be the watch dog of the world now??. they been miss using this information for years....
good one Vinny... An i want to be the president of OPEC lol..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP1x36cKdLI#ws

good job vinny. on the voltage regulator..

 Gratz.. 

 patents were filed 3 years ago..  none granted .  there are others who already tried before me get it??/

there are several others that have already been drawn up, and filed.. i am  waiting for someone to make a claim.

cost of  patent searches, and time lost will be the  greatest of losses  to the world..   another sell out for the books.. 

if you want the missing 1/4 just need to look deep within your hearts.

at least now we may see some real progress made?

 that was my intention from the start. A new era, and a new wonder.  .

have a good day..


freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #39, on March 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2015, 10:27 PM
do you understand how mine works?  i am not German so i cant understand his words. :idea:

answer my question ?  then we can chat about it... O:-)


if you cant answer then try to answer this..

how did the pide pipper pipe all the snakes out of Ireland?

Matt Watts

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #40, on March 27th, 2015, 11:12 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2015, 11:20 PM
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM
do you understand how mine works?
Nope, not even sure it does work.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM
i am not German so i cant understand his words. :idea:
That would be Russian, not German.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM
answer my question ?  then we can chat about it... O:-).
What is your question?
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM
if you cant answer then try to answer this..

how did the pide pipper pipe all the snakes out of Ireland?
First of all, it wasn't snakes, it was rats.  And second, it wasn't Ireland, it was Hamelin, Germany.

And how?

Well, he used a magic pipe of course.  Do you have a magic pipe?  I'll bet you do, because with a magic pipe, anything is possible.

But maybe you meant St. Patrick, not the Pied Piper.  My guess, no one will ever know.

 :heart:

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #41, on March 27th, 2015, 11:21 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 27th, 2015, 11:12 PM
Nope, not even sure it does work.

That would be Russian, not German.

What is your question?

First of all, it wasn't snakes, it was rats.  And second, it wasn't Ireland, it was Hamelin, Germany.

And how?

Well, he used a magic pipe of course.  Do you have a magic pipe?  I'll bet you do, because with a magic pipe, anything is possible.

 :heart:
i knew u would say that. lol

the kapanzee coil is a joule ringer and transformer wit no other information other than The works of Tesla there are far greater treasures to be had..

Matt Watts

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #42, on March 27th, 2015, 11:29 PM »
I think having an intimate understanding of Tesla's prized "rotating magnetic field" would be a pretty good treasure, all by itself.

By the way Free, are you any good at math?

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #43, on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM »Last edited on March 28th, 2015, 12:11 AM
well the whole point of me asking about the piper was to see if you can think for yourself..

i never seen any of your work. mine is right here for 3 years. i gave the entire community that much time to disprove my claims..

i dont need to be good at ,math my bests friends both have masters in engineering.

he is helping me build the first corral castle replica. i have every missing part...


technically its already built i just need a few spare parts,


Matt Watts

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #44, on March 28th, 2015, 01:17 AM »
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM
well the whole point of me asking about the piper was to see if you can think for yourself..
That I can.  It has led me to a few victories and many defeats.  I might take pictures of a modern day Pied Piper, but most certainly I wouldn't follow him.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM
i never seen any of your work.
I tiny bit of mine is posted on my workbench.  Much of my work has never been posted, due to failures that I feel help no one.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM
mine is right here for 3 years. i gave the entire community that much time to disprove my claims..
Yes it is and will stay here as long as Russ continues to operate this website.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM
i dont need to be good at ,math my bests friends both have masters in engineering.
I was just asking because I received a paper on electromagnetic fields that is very complex mathematically.  I would share it here if you are interested.
Quote from freethisone on March 27th, 2015, 11:53 PM
he is helping me build the first corral castle replica. i have every missing part...

technically its already built i just need a few spare parts,
Yes, I had something like that many years ago, but it is long gone now, though not forgotten.  Maybe some day I will build another one.  I do not know if I would get any help building it though.  As time goes on, simple things seem to get more difficult.  Such is life.

Anyway, keep sharing what you do, some may find it interesting; others may not.  It's all in the eye of the beholder.

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #45, on March 28th, 2015, 06:42 AM »
sure let me see this math stuff you have.  that would be cool.

everything i claimed is outlined  with the scientific principles.. it all there on page one,,,

have a good one...

Matt Watts

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #46, on March 28th, 2015, 08:50 AM »Last edited on March 28th, 2015, 08:53 AM
Quote from freethisone on March 28th, 2015, 06:42 AM
sure let me see this math stuff you have.  that would be cool.
Okay, it is attached.  Surely, your engineer friends would understand it.

I maybe could plow through it, but I'm not sure I would know how to use it.  Item 7.4.1 seems to be the most valuable part of it.

freethisone

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #47, on March 28th, 2015, 10:05 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 28th, 2015, 08:50 AM
Okay, it is attached.  Surely, your engineer friends would understand it.

I maybe could plow through it, but I'm not sure I would know how to use it.  Item 7.4.1 seems to be the most valuable part of it.
what makes you think i don't understand it?  i will pick out everything that is of importance. then prove it...
the results  may surprise you.. cheers

Matt Watts

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #48, on March 28th, 2015, 04:05 PM »
Quote from freethisone on March 28th, 2015, 10:05 AM
what makes you think i don't understand it?  i will pick out everything that is of importance. then prove it...
the results  may surprise you.. cheers
Man, if you can read all those formulas like a book, more power to you.  Maybe take a few minutes and highlight how we average folks can apply it.

firepinto

Re: Air charge accumulator.
« Reply #49, on March 28th, 2015, 05:26 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 28th, 2015, 04:05 PM
Man, if you can read all those formulas like a book, more power to you.  Maybe take a few minutes and highlight how we average folks can apply it.
Better yet, make an excel spreadsheet that we can just plug numbers into. :P