this thread explain all about information in this video,for collecting information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnGrasrDxI
this video from MrMuxar,he added subtitles in Spanish.if someone can make an English Subtitles,i appreciate for that.

Information;
- 13 5/16 inches long(3/4",1/2" dia)- 9 tubes cell(parallel connection and has 9 switches for opening or closing tubes).that is a demo wfc,from "it run on water"video(BBC).
- 15 PSIG meter.
- alternator and motor WFC version,rotary pulse voltage frequency generator.
- buggy engine 1500 cc,volkswagen 1,493 cc OHV H4.air-cooled four-cylinder, boxer engine.power under 53 PS (39 kW).maximum Power with Gasoline (not with HHO)
- He said 5 volt and 2 Amps(10 watts!!!supply voltage, amps from blackbox).restrict amp flow then voltage take over.plug from house.this readings are form the armature field (excitation), there was no Wattmeter in the power line to the electric engine
- he maintain pressure about 13 3/4 psi.don't know LPM(this can calculate or not???).why need maintain pressure???
- engine idle at 600-1000 rpm.
- first test idle,he said lower burn rate of hydrogen coequal gasoline!!!(he known this before test!!!).from 2500 degree to coequal gasoline.
- tap water only.not rain water.
- WFC is cold.
- no gas tank.but startet with gasoline(7min), then switched to HHO(4min),total11min.
- has blackbox(variac volt,amps meter to control armature field of alternator), motor(1HP=746watts) and alternator.
- adjust rpm by adjusting value of WFC(near PSI Meter).
- the EPG in the big alum. box behind the motor in the second photo.(not use)
- this is not the first test but he act like first test for recording video,in picture 3rd 1984,Stan look younger than this video.
- the pipe that comes from the cell is conected with the one coming from the exhaust pipe (with a regulator on it).for lowering burn rate.


need to add more information,
thanks
geenee

That's a piece of history right there.
Next year will be a 30 year anniversary, let's hope we have something worthwhile to offer the World by then.
One thing's for sure, he's certainly got a whole lot of us experimenting with mixing electricity and water, all for a good cause.
Thanks for sharing

Also notice the EPG in the big alum. box behind the motor in the second photo.

Information;
- 18 inches tall 9 tubes cell.
- 15 PSIG meter.
- alternator and motor WFC version,maybe 10XA or 9XG???.
- buggy engine 1500 cc,volkswagen 1,493 cc OHV H4.air-cooled four-cylinder, boxer engine.power under 53 PS (39 kW).
maximum Power with Gasoline (not with HHO)
- He said 5 volt and 2 Amps(10 watts!!!supply voltage amps).restrict amp flow then voltage take over.don't know where meters are,5 volts from? 2 amps from? plug from house.
[/color]this readings are form the armature field (excitation), there was no Wattmeter in the power line to the electric engine
- he maintain pressure about 13 3/4 psi.don't know LPM(this can calculate or not???).why need maintain pressure???
- engine idle at 600-1000 rpm.
- first test idle,he said lower burn rate of hydrogen coequal gasoline!!!(he known this before test!!!).from 2500 degree to coequal gasoline.
- tap water only.not rain water.
- WFC is cold.
- no gas tank.
[/color]but startet with gasoline, then switched to HHO
- no variac and box.just motor and alternator.

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thanks all,i will modify it.

- epg for what???just idle engine,Do you know???

geenee

Quote from geenee on October 7th, 2013, 04:38 AM

thanks all,i will modify it.

- epg for what???just idle engine,Do you know???

geenee

It creates electricity from the hydrogen........ I find it odd that people see's things and don't ask them self what it is they see.

so the power for the demo cell is NOT coming from the alternator but from the epg?

epg patents-electrical pulse generator.this work like alternator???

Electrical Particle Generator...............

Quote from gpssonar on October 7th, 2013, 05:29 PM

Electrical Particle Generator...............

oh sorry,added new file.

Quote from geenee on October 7th, 2013, 06:18 PM

Quote from gpssonar on October 7th, 2013, 05:29 PM

Electrical Particle Generator...............

oh sorry,added new file.

Thanks guys. :cool::D:P

Quote from adys15 on October 7th, 2013, 03:17 PM

so the power for the demo cell is NOT coming from the alternator but from the epg?

No the alternator was driven by the electric motor which was pluged into a normal wall socket.
The alternator (electric generator) created a voltage and the tube cell begin to produce HHO. Like in the demo of BBC film. In the video and on the pictures, there is no cabel between car (EPG) and the WFC.

Quote from Amsy on October 7th, 2013, 11:33 PM

Quote from adys15 on October 7th, 2013, 03:17 PM

so the power for the demo cell is NOT coming from the alternator but from the epg?

No the alternator was driven by the electric motor which was pluged into a normal wall socket.
The alternator (electric generator) created a voltage and the tube cell begin to produce HHO. Like in the demo of BBC film. In the video and on the pictures, there is no cabel between car (EPG) and the WFC.

which's one?(BBC film)

I know the setup ,just asking.Amsy you see Stan aranged the camera angle to not see much,it can be a wire on the ground,cuz i dont think the demo cell could idle the buggy,in the bbc video it had the valve closed,building preasure and when he lighted the gas the preasure was droping,so idtk he was making 7lpm,Max says his replica is making 2-3lpm....

Quote from adys15 on October 8th, 2013, 02:11 AM

I know the setup ,just asking.Amsy you see Stan aranged the camera angle to not see much,it can be a wire on the ground,cuz i dont think the demo cell could idle the buggy,in the bbc video it had the valve closed,building preasure and when he lighted the gas the preasure was droping,so idtk he was making 7lpm,Max says his replica is making 2-3lpm....

demo cell is 12 inches tall 9 tubes but this is 18 inches tall 9 tubes,maybe more lpm.

Do we know for sure of the LpM measurement was at atmospheric or under pressure?

7 LpM under 10 psi is a good flow of gas.

You have to be careful here boys, I don't really see anything to get very excited about.

Even the infamous Fast Freddy Wells did just this. He idled a truck engine from a similar WFC set up plugged directly into the mains power supply. He let the pressure of the gas build up so he effectively had a reservoir, but even so it only took around 45 seconds before the WFC could not keep up with gas demand and the engine stalled. However, this meaningless little demo was enough to have gullible people buying into Fast Freddy's scam.

about pressure;

1.normal brute force electrolysis nowaday - no pressure,just let's it go at atmospheric.

2.Stan WFC-maintain pressure 13 3/4 psi,use value open let's it go with restrict hole(very small hole).constant lpm with little hole.

Ask;if Stan don't use pressure,just let's it go at atmospheric then lpm is the same(2) or not?

modified!!!

Quote from Farrah Day on October 8th, 2013, 02:51 AM

You have to be careful here boys, I don't really see anything to get very excited about.

Even the infamous Fast Freddy Wells did just this. He idled a truck engine from a similar WFC set up plugged directly into the mains power supply. He let the pressure of the gas build up so he effectively had a reservoir, but even so it only took around 45 seconds before the WFC could not keep up with gas demand and the engine stalled. However, this meaningless little demo was enough to have gullible people buying into Fast Freddy's scam.

That's what I was getting at.  If you can produce 7 LpM at a pressure of 10 psi, when you release that to atmospheric pressure, the flow rate is much higher.  If the cell cannot keep-up, then you are simply using the cell as a pressure tank.  If the cell can keep-up, then it's flow rate at atmospheric must be much higher than 7 LpM.

Quote from Matt Watts on October 8th, 2013, 03:41 AM

Quote from Farrah Day on October 8th, 2013, 02:51 AM

You have to be careful here boys, I don't really see anything to get very excited about.

Even the infamous Fast Freddy Wells did just this. He idled a truck engine from a similar WFC set up plugged directly into the mains power supply. He let the pressure of the gas build up so he effectively had a reservoir, but even so it only took around 45 seconds before the WFC could not keep up with gas demand and the engine stalled. However, this meaningless little demo was enough to have gullible people buying into Fast Freddy's scam.

That's what I was getting at.  If you can produce 7 LpM at a pressure of 10 psi, when you release that to atmospheric pressure, the flow rate is much higher.  If the cell cannot keep-up, then you are simply using the cell as a pressure tank.  If the cell can keep-up, then it's flow rate at atmospheric must be much higher than 7 LpM.

In the video Stan marks the time at 4 minutes 4 seconds.  The time stamp on the video is more like 5 minutes.  It runs for another 45 seconds after he marks the time.  Is there enough volume of gas at 13 PSI in that clear tube to run a 1600 cc engine for 5 minutes?

Quote from firepinto on October 8th, 2013, 04:00 AM

Quote from Matt Watts on October 8th, 2013, 03:41 AM

Quote from Farrah Day on October 8th, 2013, 02:51 AM

You have to be careful here boys, I don't really see anything to get very excited about.

Even the infamous Fast Freddy Wells did just this. He idled a truck engine from a similar WFC set up plugged directly into the mains power supply. He let the pressure of the gas build up so he effectively had a reservoir, but even so it only took around 45 seconds before the WFC could not keep up with gas demand and the engine stalled. However, this meaningless little demo was enough to have gullible people buying into Fast Freddy's scam.

That's what I was getting at.  If you can produce 7 LpM at a pressure of 10 psi, when you release that to atmospheric pressure, the flow rate is much higher.  If the cell cannot keep-up, then you are simply using the cell as a pressure tank.  If the cell can keep-up, then it's flow rate at atmospheric must be much higher than 7 LpM.

In the video Stan marks the time at 4 minutes 4 seconds.  The time stamp on the video is more like 5 minutes.  It runs for another 45 seconds after he marks the time.  Is there enough volume of gas at 13 PSI in that clear tube to run a 1600 cc engine for 5 minutes?

i thinks he maintain 13 3/4 psi,don't let's it lower than 13 3/4 psi.don't let all 13 3/4 psi gas for 4 minutes because wfc was still woking at 4 minutes(if do like you said he can stop wfc when pressure near 14psi and use gas to run for 4 minutes).

Quote from geenee on October 8th, 2013, 03:09 AM

about pressure;

1.normal brute force electrolysis nowaday - no pressure,just let's it go at atmospheric.

2.Stan WFC-maintain pressure 13 3/4 psi,use value open let's it go with restrict hole(very small hole).constant lpm with little hole.

Ask;if Stan don't use pressure,just let's it go at atmospheric then lpm is the same(2) or not?

modified!!!

Quote from geenee on October 8th, 2013, 04:05 AM

2.Stan WFC-maintain pressure 13 3/4 psi,use value open let's it go with restrict hole(very small hole).constant lpm with little hole.

That would be defined as a critical orifice.  Here's some details that should allow us to figure out pressure/flow in to pressure/flow out:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA449633

Genee the cell is the same demo cell used in the bbc doc.,Don can confirm that Stan had only one demo-cell,my thougt is he is using a diferent stator(the 18 leads one) or he is using the epg instead.

Quote from adys15 on October 8th, 2013, 02:11 AM

I know the setup ,just asking.Amsy you see Stan aranged the camera angle to not see much,it can be a wire on the ground,cuz i dont think the demo cell could idle the buggy,in the bbc video it had the valve closed,building preasure and when he lighted the gas the preasure was droping,so idtk he was making 7lpm,Max says his replica is making 2-3lpm....

You are right. Indeed we see not all behind the car.
But we also do not know, how much voltage he put on the armature field in the bbc video. (maybe not maximum)
Because he was able to regulate the gas flow by rising the voltage in the armature field. Therefor he was able to regulate the power of the cell. Maybe the 5 volts of the armature was the maximum power and the produced gas can idle the engine.
Note, idling means you just drive the weight of the fly weel and some parts of the engine, nothing more. :shy:

Quote from adys15 on October 8th, 2013, 05:30 AM

Genee the cell is the same demo cell used in the bbc doc.,Don can confirm that Stan had only one demo-cell,my thougt is he is using a diferent stator(the 18 leads one) or he is using the epg instead.

demo cell look shorter.how long is demo wfc?but if Don confirmed,i believe that.