First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)


Farrah Day

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #52, on October 13th, 2013, 02:42 PM »
Just to be clear, a non-combustible gas is a gas that will not burn (usually in oxygen) when ignited. It is wrong to say that a non-combustible gas is one that does not support combustion. Oxygen is an oxidiser, yes it supports combustion, but it is not a combustible gas.

geenee

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #53, on October 13th, 2013, 06:24 PM »
Quote from Farrah Day on October 13th, 2013, 02:42 PM
Just to be clear, a non-combustible gas is a gas that will not burn (usually in oxygen) when ignited. It is wrong to say that a non-combustible gas is one that does not support combustion. Oxygen is an oxidiser, yes it supports combustion, but it is not a combustible gas.
just Stan's words,non-combustible gas=already burned gas,not oxygen cause oxygen will change to water.think like Stan Thought.

Muxar

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #54, on October 14th, 2013, 08:17 AM »
Quote from geenee on October 13th, 2013, 06:24 PM
Quote from Farrah Day on October 13th, 2013, 02:42 PM
Just to be clear, a non-combustible gas is a gas that will not burn (usually in oxygen) when ignited. It is wrong to say that a non-combustible gas is one that does not support combustion. Oxygen is an oxidiser, yes it supports combustion, but it is not a combustible gas.
just Stan's words,non-combustible gas=already burned gas,not oxygen cause oxygen will change to water.think like Stan Thought.
Hi all!!
I was replacing an ABS unit in one car today and i realized that, this thing can be used perfectly as the "gas mixer", it has many electrovalves and even a motor with 2 pistons to build the pressure(the black thing)
The one in the picture has 2 entries and 4 holes for output(i guess they can be used in opposite direction=4 entries 2 outputs)
Is just an idea....but depending on the flow rate of the valves, and how well they seal,could be used for that task and  not paying much for it
Byee

Farrah Day

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #55, on October 14th, 2013, 09:50 AM »Last edited on October 14th, 2013, 09:54 AM by Farrah Day
Quote from geenee on October 13th, 2013, 06:24 PM
just Stan's words,non-combustible gas=already burned gas,not oxygen cause oxygen will change to water.
Okay, let's try this again. You are obviously convinced that you know what's coming out of the exhaust pipe, so tell me, exactly what are these 'already burned' gases coming out of the exhaust? And what has happened to the 21% of oxygen already in the ambient air?
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think like Stan Thought.
Thanks, but I'd really rather not!


FaradayEZ

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #56, on October 14th, 2013, 10:34 AM »
Quote from adys15 on October 11th, 2013, 02:15 AM
Stan's motor was 1hp(746watts) at 1725 rpm with a pulley ratio of 2x1,dont know the name but i think its an A.O Smith motor
So not an original VW engine? But if i see Stan driving of i can't think that that is driving of on 2 HP? That can't be right, or were you talking about the power of his dynamo..alternator? Or of some extra electro motor?

I also read somewhere that the oxigen content in the ambient air nowadays is lower then it used to be..something of 18%.


adys15

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #57, on October 14th, 2013, 02:00 PM »Last edited on October 14th, 2013, 07:39 PM by Matt Watts
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So not an original VW engine? But if i see Stan driving of i can't think that that is driving of on 2 HP? That can't be right, or were you talking about the power of his dynamo..alternator? Or of some extra electro motor?

I also read somewhere that the oxigen content in the ambient air nowadays is lower then it used to be..something of 18%.
The drive motor that drives thealternator of the demo-cell,we dont talk about this?

cory991

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #58, on December 21st, 2013, 09:30 PM »Last edited on December 21st, 2013, 09:39 PM by cory991
I might have a theroy about why the non combustible gas lowers the burn rate of the hydrogen. For those of you that dont watch Mythbusters they did a test with a sewer in which they pumped methane and lit it to see if the covers blew off. Only after they added debris to the enclosure did the covers fly off. Now im wondering if the non combustible gasses are providing the needed surface area to do the same thing. Kinda like having something to push against.

Let me know what you think.

GoldBl4d3

RE: First Idle Buggy Information(Meyer)
« Reply #59, on December 22nd, 2013, 10:30 AM »Last edited on December 22nd, 2013, 10:56 AM by GoldBl4d3
Quote from cory991 on December 21st, 2013, 09:30 PM
I might have a theroy about why the non combustible gas lowers the burn rate of the hydrogen. For those of you that dont watch Mythbusters they did a test with a sewer in which they pumped methane and lit it to see if the covers blew off. Only after they added debris to the enclosure did the covers fly off. Now im wondering if the non combustible gasses are providing the needed surface area to do the same thing. Kinda like having something to push against.

Let me know what you think.
Considering how fast hydrogen burns. Non-combustible gases aren't going to get in the way. They may, but so small it wont make much of a difference.

Non-combustible gases are gases that don't react to support the burning process. So the fuel (hydrogen) has less oxygen to react with, slowing how fast it burns overall.

Take a candle, light it, place a glass over it. You will see the flame slowly burn out. That's because its using the oxygen within the glass and the byproduct of combustion is filling the glass, since the byproduct isn't combustible or 'non-combustible' gases, the flame burns out.
Quote from Farrah Day on October 13th, 2013, 10:47 AM
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Hi to all again, by the way i forgot to say that i think he runs the car in gasoline first to have non combustible gases to run in his hydrogen mixture.
CU
How would that work then? :huh:

In that scenario the moment you stopped using gasoline, you would no longer have your non-combustible exhaust gases... would you?

However, the good news is that recirculating exhaust gases is totally pointless. This 'exhaust gas recycling' is another common misconception. Common sense should tell you that you wouldn't need to recirculate exhaust gases as, rather strangely, the air around us - the very air that we breath is... get this, non-combustible.
Its still plenty oxygen to support any burning process. What we need is a small gas separator so we can pull as much of the oxygen out as possible. leaving mostly non-combustible gases.

The point of the tube from the exhaust is to capture the released non-combustible gases. Which are present and released when using electrolysis.
Quote from Farrah Day on October 14th, 2013, 09:50 AM
Quote from geenee on October 13th, 2013, 06:24 PM
just Stan's words,non-combustible gas=already burned gas,not oxygen cause oxygen will change to water.
Okay, let's try this again. You are obviously convinced that you know what's coming out of the exhaust pipe, so tell me, exactly what are these 'already burned' gases coming out of the exhaust? And what has happened to the 21% of oxygen already in the ambient air?
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think like Stan Thought.
Thanks, but I'd really rather not!
Their are tons of chemicals in water. You can look that part up on your own time. These chemicals will either fall to the bottom if heavy, or if they are gaseous atoms, they will rise with the hho.