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how to get 3 phase 120 out of car alternator

how to get 3 phase from motor bike alternator

She's ya mumma.

PLease comment on this and what stan did ?
 why he rewirded it?
how he rewirded it

complete this knowledge fully
so uptake for others is faster

Dan

I'm not 100% certain about this, but here's what I suspect:

An alternator with rotor coil intact can be used as a type of amplifier.  With the output being at least three phase AC, you can pulse the rotor coil in such a way as to shift the output phasing.  If you happened to watch Eric Dollard's lecture, you will recognize there are real and imaginary plains when dealing with AC.  You may also recall Doug Konzen (Konehead) talking about shorting coils at peaks.  When you put this altogether and granted, it gets complicated, what you do in-effect is shift the back EMF away from where it would normally go, to somewhere else where you can re-use it.  Now obviously a typical automotive alternator is designed to output somewhere around 14 volts DC after being rectified.  Changing the stator windings by adding more turns of smaller wire is going to increase the voltage output--essentially upping the gain of this rotary amplifier.  If you get everything set just right, I would expect to see little to no load on the alternator shaft, so a very small motor could spin it.  The redirected BEMF would counter most of your frictional losses while still amplifying the signal provided to the rotor coil.

It's pretty hard to wrap your head around with just a simple text description on a forum post; as I see it, it wasn't magic, complicated yes, but not magic.  Something I didn't see on Stan's setup that I would think would be necessary for sustained operation is some type of servo on the alternator shaft.  With such a sensor you could exactly synchronize your input pulses with shaft position which would maximize the effect you are after.

If you look at the MagnaCoaster VorkTex device, he too started out with a rotary device and later discovered he could build a fixed solid-state device that would work just as well--same evolution Stan followed.  I don't think this is a coincidence.  Some claim the MagnaCoaster is utilizing a quantum magnetic tunneling effect, which is probably something we all should investigate.  The basic description is that electrons are disrupted within a magnet and simply "blip out" and show up somewhere else.  How could they possibly do that?  Keep in mind you have real and imaginary number plains when dealing with AC.  Seems to me, the imaginary number vectors would tell you the path the source and destination electrons follow.

Like you've heard me say before, the answers are very close.  So close I can almost taste them.  We just need to dig a little deeper and get some sort of prototype put together that demonstrates it and works reliably.  From there we can scale up to our hearts content.

So if we stay very very focused just on alternator here and not to digress into other things
 if but and may it could be or will be,

 and just focus on a  3 phase alternator and why and how to wind it for best performance and complete it
we than have basic done now the value and signal we want and than much much latter can think about solid states.

We can have now immediately have
a

3 phase car alternator
3 phase boat alternator
3 phase motor bike alternator

the high voltage output will work to split water into gas we can than use extra know we have already to plumb it and control it.

sure we can replace alternator latter, but at this time
every once can handle alternator knowledge very fast as we all have them on vehicles and can add more easy.
We need to publish specs to do it and wiring diagram that are correct on this thread and keep thread clean.

So PLEASE
Focus on the Alternator info only on this thread to advance it to completion

1 best alternator to use
2 desired wiring and the signal voltage out put we want
3 how to wire it with pwm
4 using mini alternators and last in a migration to solid state us better pwr generators
5. http://www.agnimotors.com

Lets take the time to do this in thos steps as no one has done this correctly and posted , I believe the skills and knowledge in this
forum can get it done.

lets get this section well and truly done right
it is the start of the best info that has never clearly been explained

Converting alternator correctly step to split gas effeciently use 3 phase and wiring techniques from
what we have learnt with vic

many more will uptake faster

Daniel
www.securesupplies.biz

Lot of talk...a stock alternator generates hv only when you put more amps to the rotor, thus in turn killing the drive motor,so the only solution is to rewound it,but there is no much room,i bleed my fingers trieing to squeze more wire in there...then 1 coil touched the stator core...painless work...and in the end the output was 6v...after a week of winding coils,making coil formers....sweat and lots of nerves....then i figured that my coils were not aranged properly,so i had to take them out,they were scraced in the removal process,again lots of nerves....Anyone knows how to arange the coils corectly?cuz there is no info on web on how to rewind an alt.cheers

Quote from adys15 on August 23rd, 2013, 11:14 AM

Lot of talk...a stock alternator generates hv only when you put more amps to the rotor, thus in turn killing the drive motor,so the only solution is to rewound it,but there is no much room,i bleed my fingers trieing to squeze more wire in there...then 1 coil touched the stator core...painless work...and in the end the output was 6v...after a week of winding coils,making coil formers....sweat and lots of nerves....then i figured that my coils were not aranged properly,so i had to take them out,they were scraced in the removal process,again lots of nerves....Anyone knows how to arange the coils corectly?cuz there is no info on web on how to rewind an alt.cheers

Hi adys15, I would get in touch with electro here
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=119&pid=17105#pid17105

on post #262, I know from his videos he has rewound at least three alternators.:cool::D:P

In one of stans videos I saw a alternator on the left bottom side of the dune buggy.....is this what were going to build here.........

Hey guys,

I believe Stan re-worked the alternator to suit the spark/water injectors as part of the more complex set-up. I don't think the alternator build was part of the original buggy? I could be wrong.

Quote from zaneaussie on August 23rd, 2013, 11:01 PM

Hey guys,

I believe Stan re-worked the alternator to suit the spark/water injectors as part of the more complex set-up. I don't think the alternator build was part of the original buggy? I could be wrong.

can we use   stainless wire?

 or is there a better methods electro can we have a guide

or key point you target to get done here


Dan

https://youtu.be/42ygEyRW4PQ

  does any one have a  eagle file for the alternator board from stan

and or the  measurements or drawing of the size of the board diameter shape etc  simple thing but no drawing has the actual diameter dimensions  to encourage replications

Is this the Right Diodes to use on Alternators Board
Mur Diode Stanley Meyers MUR 1560

A While Back we saved the pictures I re post now some are from Electro's Find work son this

By good if some one could post the circumference measurements of alternators board or basic trace so we can post them 

Dan

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Any high voltage diode will work.

The MUR1560 is what Meyer used.

DaN HAVE YOU EVER REWOUND THE ROTOR TO HIGHER RESISTANCE.

yes electro and several other have done this you can order them done from several company on line  there is also winding press for alternator stators to help speed the process. Alot of excitement about the new flat core alternators and the 6 phase one Honda puts int heir cars now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Eca-q4sYQ

Any one got a versions of Circuit design software sprint lay out or other 
we can use to draw up alternator boards ?  I can measure the  circumference of such board if we want to have a go

Kevin West did a Nice Clear video of his units https://youtu.be/6JaFXet4-tM

https://youtu.be/6JaFXet4-tM

Thanks. Idid have one that was a six phase. but it was with standard size wire. I have rewound 4 rotors from the 27si delco units.
Those are 8 pole and really wakes up a FUEL CELL. For me it seems that the resistance of the rotor should be from 39 to about 40 ohms. That leaves about .11 to .15 amps on the rotor. Forget what the voltage was going in to the rotor. Theres about 140 volts coming out to the cell. Havent worked on it since last fall .

More turns == More potential to build up a resonant EM field for minimal current consumption

Some Alternator smaller  this one is off a small car,  I will measure paper outline of mine so we get a basic series of design ,
inner shaft from what I can tell are all same or very close to same on most cars , pick ups and truck will be bigger of coarse

guess we have 3 sizes  I will measure the fist basic size , ignore my track I am just basic inner space check first outer I measure now
I just post so some home builder get the basic idea.
paper
than work or ply wood check it fits
than circuit board
than order  oshkosh etc

Dan

note the cut in the base of center tube
and base and paper that is where the brush assemble slides in to touch rotor shaft

Dan

just some notes

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tViKcDs3ndAcTUqNHIse38SEmwrpTLG3Op4_wneUQZQ/edit?usp=sharing

Stanley Meyer Alternator Circuit board Gerber V1 Public Share
Mur Diodes 1560  these are to help you advance edit
some mounting holes may need movement for your specific conversion  this circuit basic rectifies the ac to dc un regulated and blocks back emf

GERBER TO WORK ON ATTACHED

God Speed , Do not delay issuing new version of the 9xg

Note I made Mounting holes 1 cm  and diode mount holes 0.5 cm