After long  frustrating days of trial and error finnaly got it.~2000v at the cell and producing gas like 20v stait dc,but my trans was wound with salveged wire and dont had enough.
Here is my setup:
1.Vic coil transf :chokes:aprox. 500+wraps of 29awg i have 8 spaces because my laminated core is shorter than Stans.Secoundary 1000wraps 29awg.Primary 200wraps 24awg,over the sec.

2.The cell was the same dim as Stan's,but aluminium.
3.The pulsing was done with Tony Woodside vic(thanks very much buddy),but the swiching was done with an external transistor(bu208) at 30v.

It works also with 3 tubesets and also with ONE(how about that h2opower?)
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

I must say that you should listed Stan's words and experiece more than making up theories.The coils will not wind by itself.I worked for 2mounts on this setup 70% was with scraped parts....so keep experimenting.
ps.my pc scope wont read 2000v,so dont have a scopeshot...Cheers!

Adys, keep an eye out for black helicopters hereafter and don't drink any cranberry juice if anyone offers it to you.
We, the staff members of this forum, will do our very best to keep you safe, using the (however short) list of options we have at out disposal.
Congratulations!!!
Keep up the good work

Edit: I urge everyone of you who reads this thread to copy and paste Adys OP into your favourite written word handling application of choice, whatever it may be, and then keep a copy of it for yourself for future reference.
Just in case.

Quote from Lynx on June 3rd, 2013, 06:36 AM

Adys, keep an eye out for black helicopters hereafter and don't drink any cranberry juice if anyone offers it to you.
We, the staff members of this forum, will do our very best to keep you safe, using the (however short) list of options we have at out disposal.
Congratulations!!!
Keep up the good work

Edit: I urge everyone of you who reads this thread to copy and paste Adys OP into your favourite written word handling application of choice, whatever it may be, and then keep a copy of it for yourself for future reference.
Just in case.

''Adys, keep an eye out for black helicopters hereafter and don't drink any cranberry juice if anyone offers it to you''


Seems that you are making a joke of my work,and i feel sorry for posting it on this forum.

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 07:04 AM

Quote from Lynx on June 3rd, 2013, 06:36 AM

Adys, keep an eye out for black helicopters hereafter and don't drink any cranberry juice if anyone offers it to you.
We, the staff members of this forum, will do our very best to keep you safe, using the (however short) list of options we have at out disposal.
Congratulations!!!
Keep up the good work

Edit: I urge everyone of you who reads this thread to copy and paste Adys OP into your favourite written word handling application of choice, whatever it may be, and then keep a copy of it for yourself for future reference.
Just in case.

''Adys, keep an eye out for black helicopters hereafter and don't drink any cranberry juice if anyone offers it to you''


Seems that you are making a joke of my work,and i feel sorry for posting it on this forum.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, that was not my intention at all.
All I'm saying is take care, it would be really nice to see your good work to the end here, complete with all the schematics, drawings, etc, so that the rest of us can take part of it.

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 05:13 AM

...
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

Great news!

That is almost exactly the same experience gpssonar stated when he got his setup working prior to the transformer going up in smoke.  Probably not a coincidence.  I'm guessing you found the process.

Now, would you be willing to "lock-down" your current device as a functional prototype and see if you can build another one from scratch?  If you can do it and prove what you have achieved is no stroke of luck, I think this will be extremely valuable.  You get two working devices and a step-by-step guide prepared, you be da man Adys.  Then it's only a matter of seeing if someone else can do it exactly as you have and get the same results.  If it's repeatable, it's science, pure and simple.

Quote from Dog-One on June 3rd, 2013, 07:47 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 05:13 AM

...
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

Great news!

That is almost exactly the same experience gpssonar stated when he got his setup working prior to the transformer going up in smoke.  Probably not a coincidence.  I'm guessing you found the process.

Now, would you be willing to "lock-down" your current device as a functional prototype and see if you can build another one from scratch?  If you can do it and prove what you have achieved is no stroke of luck, I think this will be extremely valuable.  You get two working devices and a step-by-step guide prepared, you be da man Adys.  Then it's only a matter of seeing if someone else can do it exactly as you have and get the same results.  If it's repeatable, it's science, pure and simple.

I can build another one right now,because, how i mentioned,the transf was built from scraps...)see pic from the video i made but cant post it because the forum dont let me.)i have made the bobins out of 2 thick pvc pipes and the spacers(washers) from a sheet of plastic cut to size(very hard cuting and sanding to  fit them on the pipes,took me 3days)then i have to cut the leg of an E tr.laminates to fit inside the inner bobin,,another 2days..all done almost manualy....The instructions are in the first post... very simple ,but takes a lot of hard work

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 08:10 AM

see pic from the video i made but cant post it because the forum dont let me.

If you want to, send the link for the video to me or Dog One, then we can put it in your post.

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 08:10 AM

I can build another one right now,because, how i mentioned,the transf was built from scraps...)see pic from the video i made but cant post it because the forum dont let me.)i have made the bobins out of 2 thick pvc pipes and the spacers(washers) from a sheet of plastic cut to size(very hard cuting and sanding to  fit them on the pipes,took me 3days)then i have to cut the leg of an E tr.laminates to fit inside the inner bobin,,another 2days..all done almost manualy....The instructions are in the first post... very simple ,but takes a lot of hard work

I can sense your excitement, this truly is a breakthrough.

Next comes the part that is less fun, documenting.  Yuck.  It needs to be done though, start to finish.  This is critical.  We don't need another Stan Meyer.  We need working devices in our garages, all of us.  And to do that we need to put together a Users Guide that if followed carefully will get us to were you are.  Would you be willing to open a thread in the projects section:
http://open-source-energy.org/?fid=47

Please consider it and if you decide to take the plunge, I'll be happy to assist any way that I can.  In the meantime, enjoy.  You earned it.

Quote from Dog-One on June 3rd, 2013, 08:32 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 08:10 AM

I can build another one right now,because, how i mentioned,the transf was built from scraps...)see pic from the video i made but cant post it because the forum dont let me.)i have made the bobins out of 2 thick pvc pipes and the spacers(washers) from a sheet of plastic cut to size(very hard cuting and sanding to  fit them on the pipes,took me 3days)then i have to cut the leg of an E tr.laminates to fit inside the inner bobin,,another 2days..all done almost manualy....The instructions are in the first post... very simple ,but takes a lot of hard work

I can sense your excitement, this truly is a breakthrough.

Next comes the part that is less fun, documenting.  Yuck.  It needs to be done though, start to finish.  This is critical.  We don't need another Stan Meyer.  We need working devices in our garages, all of us.  And to do that we need to put together a Users Guide that if followed carefully will get us to were you are.  Would you be willing to open a thread in the projects section:
http://open-source-energy.org/?fid=47

Please consider it and if you decide to take the plunge, I'll be happy to assist any way that I can.  In the meantime, enjoy.  You earned it.

Thanks,above i said ''i CAN NOT build another from scrach.because i dont have a plastic sheet that big,to make the spacers,and work another week on sanding and cutting,i don't even have a lathe...It is no coincidance,i hit resonance 5 times aprox in the same pot. position and in different days with rain and tap water,Stan's setup works as he describes but it needs a lot of work to make it happen.What i want to say is i cannot create a project section with such scrap parts,i have nothing serious,as my wire was scraped soldered and patched to make more turns,i can say i built the transf with no money except Tony vic and my hard work.Read the thread vic coil and build one just like Russ,except my primary was on top of secoundary and not laid all the way in all the grooves because the lack of wire and the tight space between the chokes and secoundary bobin.Try and built one upIf you have firepinto's printed vic and a complete spool of wire you can't fail,it will work.I want to point out that the gas  prod.was not huge but prior to 20v strait dc,so even if i build 11trans,and 11cells the gas prod would be ~3lpm and i could not even idlle a small engine with that,so i am leaving this setup as it is and move to another....Cheers!

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 09:04 AM

Thanks,above i said ''i CAN NOT build another from scrach.because i dont have a plastic sheet that big,to make the spacers,and work another week on sanding and cutting,i don't even have a lathe...It is no coincidance,i hit resonance 5 times aprox in the same pot. position and in different days with rain and tap water,Stan's setup works as he describes but it needs a lot of work to make it happen.What i want to say is i cannot create a project section with such scrap parts,i have nothing serious,as my wire was scraped soldered and patched to make more turns,i can say i built the transf with no money except Tony vic and my hard work.Read the thread vic coil and build one just like Russ,except my primary was on top of secoundary and not laid all the way in all the grooves because the lack of wire and the tight space between the chokes and secoundary bobin.Try and built one upIf you have firepinto's printed vic and a complete spool of wire you can't fail,it will work.I want to point out that the gas  prod.was not huge but prior to 20v strait dc,so even if i build 11trans,and 11cells the gas prod would be ~3lpm and i could not even idlle a small engine with that,so i am leaving this setup as it is and move to another....Cheers!

Understood.

Before I dive-in and try to make one myself, do you have an estimate on power usage?  Does it appear to draw less power than the Faraday constant of about 140 Watts per Liter per Minute?

If it does, I'll just make a whole bunch of them to run my small engine.  :)  Probably need your help along the way though.

Also, you were using discrete electronics right?  Not a digital controller?  I don't recall what a Tony Woodside VIC controller has in it.

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 05:13 AM

After long  frustrating days of trial and error finnaly got it.~2000v at the cell and producing gas like 20v stait dc,but my trans was wound with salveged wire and dont had enough.
Here is my setup:
1.Vic coil transf :chokes:aprox. 500+wraps of 29awg i have 8 spaces because my laminated core is shorter than Stans.Secoundary 1000wraps 29awg.Primary 200wraps 24awg,over the sec.

2.The cell was the same dim as Stan's,but aluminium.
3.The pulsing was done with Tony Woodside vic(thanks very much buddy),but the swiching was done with an external transistor(bu208) at 30v.

It works also with 3 tubesets and also with ONE(how about that h2opower?)
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

I must say that you should listed Stan's words and experiece more than making up theories.The coils will not wind by itself.I worked for 2mounts on this setup 70% was with scraped parts....so keep experimenting.
ps.my pc scope wont read 2000v,so dont have a scopeshot...Cheers!

Quote

pc scope wont read 2000v,so dont have a scopeshot...Cheers!

Hey adys15!

Just an idea, adjust the input voltage amplitude to control the tube voltage. Keep it low and measure the voltage...used/generated signals, do you have isolated probes?

Cheers!

Br,
Webmug

Excellent adys :) I hope we can see the video.  Can you upload to Youtube?

Nate

this webboard can post video but you zip video files first before upload it.Great work,Cheer!!!

thanks
geenee

Quote from Dog-One on June 3rd, 2013, 09:44 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 09:04 AM

Thanks,above i said ''i CAN NOT build another from scrach.because i dont have a plastic sheet that big,to make the spacers,and work another week on sanding and cutting,i don't even have a lathe...It is no coincidance,i hit resonance 5 times aprox in the same pot. position and in different days with rain and tap water,Stan's setup works as he describes but it needs a lot of work to make it happen.What i want to say is i cannot create a project section with such scrap parts,i have nothing serious,as my wire was scraped soldered and patched to make more turns,i can say i built the transf with no money except Tony vic and my hard work.Read the thread vic coil and build one just like Russ,except my primary was on top of secoundary and not laid all the way in all the grooves because the lack of wire and the tight space between the chokes and secoundary bobin.Try and built one upIf you have firepinto's printed vic and a complete spool of wire you can't fail,it will work.I want to point out that the gas  prod.was not huge but prior to 20v strait dc,so even if i build 11trans,and 11cells the gas prod would be ~3lpm and i could not even idlle a small engine with that,so i am leaving this setup as it is and move to another....Cheers!

Understood.

Before I dive-in and try to make one myself, do you have an estimate on power usage?  Does it appear to draw less power than the Faraday constant of about 140 Watts per Liter per Minute?

If it does, I'll just make a whole bunch of them to run my small engine.  :)  Probably need your help along the way though.

Also, you were using discrete electronics right?  Not a digital controller?  I don't recall what a Tony Woodside VIC controller has in it.

I did not measure the  amps on the primary,i didnt have time,but i will,it draws some amps,because in 5min the transistor gets hot.the production is not much,take 20v and hook it to the tube and that is the production.It is small because i  don't have more wire to wrap,but prooves the point.And even i had 9000 wraps on it the production would not be that much to run any small engine,look at Max videos with the res.cavities,and he says it produces less than 2lmp.

webmug,i will try to vary the primary voltage,i got Tony's variable skematic but i have to adapt it for 30v
*note:if i try 12v it did NOT step up!

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 05:13 AM

After long  frustrating days of trial and error finnaly got it.~2000v at the cell and producing gas like 20v stait dc,but my trans was wound with salveged wire and dont had enough.
Here is my setup:
1.Vic coil transf :chokes:aprox. 500+wraps of 29awg i have 8 spaces because my laminated core is shorter than Stans.Secoundary 1000wraps 29awg.Primary 200wraps 24awg,over the sec.

2.The cell was the same dim as Stan's,but aluminium.
3.The pulsing was done with Tony Woodside vic(thanks very much buddy),but the swiching was done with an external transistor(bu208) at 30v.

It works also with 3 tubesets and also with ONE(how about that h2opower?)
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

I must say that you should listed Stan's words and experiece more than making up theories.The coils will not wind by itself.I worked for 2mounts on this setup 70% was with scraped parts....so keep experimenting.
ps.my pc scope wont read 2000v,so dont have a scopeshot...Cheers!

@adys15

did you implement an air gap?

Quote from bussi04

@adys15

did you implement an air gap?

No gap,it is laminated E-I core.

Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2013, 05:13 AM

After long  frustrating days of trial and error finnaly got it.~2000v at the cell and producing gas like 20v stait dc,but my trans was wound with salveged wire and dont had enough.
Here is my setup:
1.Vic coil transf :chokes:aprox. 500+wraps of 29awg i have 8 spaces because my laminated core is shorter than Stans.Secoundary 1000wraps 29awg.Primary 200wraps 24awg,over the sec.

2.The cell was the same dim as Stan's,but aluminium.
3.The pulsing was done with Tony Woodside vic(thanks very much buddy),but the swiching was done with an external transistor(bu208) at 30v.

It works also with 3 tubesets and also with ONE(how about that h2opower?)
-first the voltage is very low ~5-7v but when you aproach the resonant point the voltage will climb to 40v ,then 80v then max the meter.and stay that way.i did not used the feedback,but  cell staid charged for a while...not shifting.
-resonance was achived at 8Khz.

I must say that you should listed Stan's words and experiece more than making up theories.The coils will not wind by itself.I worked for 2mounts on this setup 70% was with scraped parts....so keep experimenting.
ps.my pc scope wont read 2000v,so dont have a scopeshot...Cheers!

@adys15

your results "sound too good to be true" (as we say here in Germany :-)


reading your description in detail raises some questions I hope to get answered from you:

1. if your scope doesn´t support voltage measurement up to 2000V how comes that you assume to have reached that voltage range?

2. how long did you pulse the water and what were temperature conditions at start, in the middle and at the end?

3. did you wire the VIC the way Tony shows in his wireing diagram sent along with his circuit?

4. does the WFC still produce gas after stopping the pulsing? if yes - how long?

5. does your configuration work with distilled water?

6. do your aluminum cells show any white flaky stuff in the water and how do they change over time being pulsed?

8. do you operate your VIC in the open air when hooked up to your cell? what kind of insulation (max. voltage) has your wire? is there some corona at the vic due to the high voltage you might have gotten? normal wire doesn´t support that high voltage and at that voltage range corona should occur.

9. what waveform did you get when reaching high voltage sweet spot and are there similarities to the ones described in Stan Meyer´s patents?

10. what do you need to substantiate your high level voltage verification?

11. when do you upload your video?

lots of questions, I know :-)

... but answers are needed for replication and verification.

@adys15

your results "sound too good to be true" (as we say here in Germany :-)


reading your description in detail raises some questions I hope to get answered from you:

1. if your scope doesn´t support voltage measurement up to 2000V how comes that you assume to have reached that voltage range?

2. how long did you pulse the water and what were temperature conditions at start, in the middle and at the end?

3. did you wire the VIC the way Tony shows in his wireing diagram sent along with his circuit?

4. does the WFC still produce gas after stopping the pulsing? if yes - how long?

5. does your configuration work with distilled water?

6. do your aluminum cells show any white flaky stuff in the water and how do they change over time being pulsed?

8. do you operate your VIC in the open air when hooked up to your cell? what kind of insulation (max. voltage) has your wire? is there some corona at the vic due to the high voltage you might have gotten? normal wire doesn´t support that high voltage and at that voltage range corona should occur.

9. what waveform did you get when reaching high voltage sweet spot and are there similarities to the ones described in Stan Meyer´s patents?

10. what do you need to substantiate your high level voltage verification?

11. when do you upload your video?

lots of questions, I know :-)

... but answers are needed for replication and verification.[/quote]bussy whats the big deal for it being to good to be truth,Tony and others did this,I talked with Tony some time ago and he describes the process similar to mine.About q:
1. if your scope doesn´t support voltage measurement up to 2000V how comes that you assume to have reached that voltage range?

-i put one 1Mohm in series with + multimeter probe and still maxed out,i put another on'' -'' probe and got 10v...so if with 1rez maxed it means it was over 1000...you do the math,i'm bad at it :))

2. how long did you pulse the water and what were temperature conditions at start, in the middle and at the end?

-the resonance efect was present for over 15min,but i didn't wait more because i  got bored tried diferent stuff,,and the transistor was geting hot,but seems the efect lasts some while,i dont know howmuch..

3. did you wire the VIC the way Tony shows in his wireing diagram sent along with his circuit?
-i wired it like the 5coil vic in the Estate.

4. does the WFC still produce gas after stopping the pulsing? if yes - how long?
-yes it produces,but i didn't measure the time,but 10min for sure.

5. does your configuration work with distilled water?
-didn't try,first i got res.with rain water,then tap,the freq differs a bit.

6. do your aluminum cells show any white flaky stuff in the water and how do they change over time being pulsed?
-i cleaned them but the untill i get the res. a very light coating formed,thats most anoing because i have to clean them always,but i tried on a clean one and works.

8. do you operate your VIC in the open air when hooked up to your cell? what kind of insulation (max. voltage) has your wire? is there some corona at the vic due to the high voltage you might have gotten? normal wire doesn´t support that high voltage and at that voltage range corona should occur.
-my wire is normal cooper wire from old transformers,i did not measure voltage without the load because it maxes out.About the corona,i got to little wire to get corona,and i dont want to arc the leads because it woult arc internaly.

9. what waveform did you get when reaching high voltage sweet spot and are there similarities to the ones described in Stan Meyer´s patents?

I can not see the waveform because i dond have a real scope,just a souncard one.

10. what do you need to substantiate your high level voltage verification?
-hv probes :))

11. when do you upload your video?
I didnt uploaded it because the quality is crap,and Mr.Linx told me to watch for black helicopters...and cut me from the start.

I posted it on my yt channel ,i had a neon bulb in series with +choke to show hv,but the production also droped,only the E core was used for ease of mods.
No problem about the q. but in the time you wrote them you would be finishing winding your vic...joking:d
 Cheers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UYY8HE59vc

@adys15

I watched your video and the setup.


Sorry to say that but I´m quite sure that voltage has not reached any level near to 2 KV.


indications for my assumption are

- using crocodile clamps for the hv part will create corona and sparks at voltages above 500v at normal humidity (by my experience completely hv isolated cables and doped connectors are needed)

- your meter is irritated by one of 3 effects:

first:
DC voltage pulses at frequency 8 khz (without true rms it can´t cope with those pulses >> 50 hz)
reason mode of operation of simple DMMS:
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDigitalmultimeter

or second:
by using bifilar wound secondaries and chokes that will usually create AC voltage over the cell and not DC pulses. If that´s the case your range 1000V DC doesn´t fit but choosing AC would not better the measurement because it´s no true RMS

or third:
you switch DMM on for a short moment and then switch it off after getting overflow. that way DMM has no way to stablize it´s calculations. you can´t protect your DMM that way against overload because it stays connected to the load.

or all together ...



what can you do to crosscheck your measurement?

one idea is to use the neon bulb or some other kind of load with well known voltage trigger level and put it with fitting resistor in parallel to your cells.
if it gives light you know the neon bulb minimum voltage level reached.

another idea is to adopt your measurement configuration in a way your DMM can digest. then you have to rectify the pulsed voltage over the cell no matter if DC or AC (appended pic).

your capacitor must take up to 2000V and also the diode.

http://www.vishay.com/diodes/med-high-diodes/reverse-voltage-gteq-2000-v-lt-3000-v/

that way your DMM gets constant DC voltage and can take correct measurements.

take care that R2 is a resistor array instead of a single resistor. the reason why standard DMMS are limited in the 1000V range is that higher voltage will spark over the inner connections of the DMM. the same will happen to a single R2.

assuming that your DMM has 10 MOhm resistance take 10 resistors of 1 MOhm in series and put them in series to your DMM. then you have doubled your measurement range to 2000V.

If your DMM has 1 MOhm resistance at voltage measurement R2 array must be 1 MOhm.

btw. your video shows an open transformer at the diode side - that means that there is a huuuuge air gap involved :-) .

that indicates that there is a flyback transformer effect at your´s.

Quote from bussi04 on June 4th, 2013, 03:15 PM

@adys15

I watched your video and the setup.


Sorry to say that but I´m quite sure that voltage has not reached any level near 2 KV.


indications for my assumption are

- using crocodile clamps for the hv part will create corona and sparks at voltages above 500v at normal humidity (completely isolated cables and doped connectors are needed)

- your meter is irritated by one of 2 effects:

first:
DC voltage pulses at frequency 8 khz (without true rms it can´t cope with those pulses >> 50 hz)
reason mode of operation of simple DMMS:
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDigitalmultimeter

or second:
by using bifilar wound secondaries and chokes that will usually create AC voltage over the cell and not DC pulses. If that´s the case your range 1000V DC doesn´t fit but choosing AC would not better the measurement because it´s no true RMS

or both ...



what can you do to crosscheck your measurement?

one idea is to use the neon bulb or some other kind of load with well known voltage trigger level and put it with fitting resistor in parallel to your cells.
if it gives light you know the neon bulb minimum voltage level reached.

another idea is to adopt your measurement configuration in a way your DMM can digest. then you have to rectify the pulsed voltage over the cell no matter if DC or AC (appended pic).

your capacitor must take up to 2000V and also the diode.

http://www.vishay.com/diodes/med-high-diodes/reverse-voltage-gteq-2000-v-lt-3000-v/

that way your DMM gets constant DC voltage and can take correct measurements.

take care that R2 is a resistor array instead of a single resistor. the reason why standard DMMS are limited in the 1000V range is that higher voltage will spark over the inner connections of the DMM. the same will happen to a single R2.

assuming that your DMM has 10 MOhm resistance take 10 resistors of 1 MOhm in series and put them in series to your DMM. then you have doubled your measurement range to 2000V.

If your DMM has 1 MOhm resistance at voltage measurement R2 array must be 1 MOhm.

btw. your video shows an open transformer at the diode side - that means that there is a huuuuge air gap involved :-) .

that indicates that there is a flyback transformer effect at your´s.

Why do people complicate so much.First my Dmm is not irritated, i put it far from the setup and measures the same,if it was iritated by transf freq. it would be at 7khz and 9khz and so on ...Why before  i start to rise the freq. the voltage at the cell is 5-7v and when i get closer it starts to charge up from 5-120v-300v-500v--blank?my scope gets iritated right there?when i increase the freq some more the voltage decreases...to 5-7v again!why?my dmm has an iritable resonance freq?

2I am using bif chokes NOT secoundaries.

3.A huge air gap? where? on the left side?I leave it that way to be able to remove the coils faster.If it is a flyback efect try it with a flyback and see whats hapens..the voltage will not be more than 1v at the cell.If i puted some nails in there you would say it had 2 gaps:)) i dont understand how do you see a gap where there is not an E suronding the coils.that's doesnt mater.Hey i have a laminated core from end to end inside my bobins?yes what more do you want?build it and see whats happens.

Quote from adys15 on June 4th, 2013, 04:18 PM

if it was iritated by transf freq. it would be at 7khz and 9khz and so on ...Why before  i start to rise the freq. the voltage at the cell is 5-7v and when i get closer it starts to charge up from 5-120v-300v-500v--blank?my scope gets iritated right there?when i increase the freq some more the voltage decreases...to 5-7v again!why?my dmm has an iritable resonance freq?

something seems to be special at that frequency. but what?

maybe signal shape changes but there is no evidence for high voltage in the 2 KV range except your DMM overflow. your crocodile clamps don´t withstand 2000 V. Never ever. They can´t cope with 2 KV at that insulation.
your video didn´t show any frequency change and you didn´t mention any acoustic effects observed.

it´s possible that due to the bifilar chokes the signal shape by duty cycle you are working with at 7 kHz gets degradiated towards short spikes that your DMM can´t measure correctly  (recent wikipedia link).

so you really need some other equipment for voltage verification.  

just to get sure for the voltage and shape ...

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

Quote from adys15 on June 5th, 2013, 12:08 PM

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

so let me understand what you said.
you hit resonance with water in the cell. woodsides circuit. you hit resonance with no gate. then you turned on the gate, and it was still the same resonance. at 2000 volts at the cell. and gas poured off.
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Quote from Ray Don on June 12th, 2013, 02:45 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 5th, 2013, 12:08 PM

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

so let me understand what you said.
you hit resonance with water in the cell. woodsides circuit. you hit resonance with no gate. then you turned on the gate, and it was still the same resonance. at 2000 volts at the cell. and gas poured off.
ic

Yes Max,aprox 2000 because my meter was maxed out,and with  1Mohm resistor on the + and one on the - the meter showed 10v.Gas was not pooring but showed like 20v strait dc.

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 02:04 AM

Quote from Ray Don on June 12th, 2013, 02:45 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 5th, 2013, 12:08 PM

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

so let me understand what you said.
you hit resonance with water in the cell. woodsides circuit. you hit resonance with no gate. then you turned on the gate, and it was still the same resonance. at 2000 volts at the cell. and gas poured off.
ic

Yes Max,aprox 2000 because my meter was maxed out,and with  1Mohm resistor on the + and one on the - the meter showed 10v.Gas was not pooring but showed like 20v strait dc.

more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap