[[/quote]more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap

Max i was talking nice...and i respect your work ...''met with pulse freq''?explain

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 04:46 AM

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more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap

Max i was talking nice...and i respect your work ...''met with pulse freq''?explain[/quote]i said nothing bad
i have had many meters do that. what happens is the frequency at the cell is a back and forth. not a AC wave, and not DC. the meter is not designed to handle the energy spikes and tank circuit. the battery is depleted and the meter goes into over load. often damage to the meter is the result. make s no difference, cheap or expensive multi meter..........they all take a crap when they meet the meyer tank circuit.

Quote from Ray Don on June 13th, 2013, 05:07 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 04:46 AM

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more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap

Max i was talking nice...and i respect your work ...''met with pulse freq''?explain

i said nothing bad
i have had many meters do that. what happens is the frequency at the cell is a back and forth. not a AC wave, and not DC. the meter is not designed to handle the energy spikes and tank circuit. the battery is depleted and the meter goes into over load. often damage to the meter is the result. make s no difference, cheap or expensive multi meter..........they all take a crap when they meet the meyer tank circuit.[/quote]Ok but how about the charging?, on first power in i get 5-7v at the cell when I aproach that freq.the voltage starts to rise from 5-30v-80v-200v-350v-maxed out.What about the neon bulb fully lighted?and geting hot in 1min?

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 05:36 AM

Quote from Ray Don on June 13th, 2013, 05:07 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 04:46 AM

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more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap

Max i was talking nice...and i respect your work ...''met with pulse freq''?explain

i said nothing bad
i have had many meters do that. what happens is the frequency at the cell is a back and forth. not a AC wave, and not DC. the meter is not designed to handle the energy spikes and tank circuit. the battery is depleted and the meter goes into over load. often damage to the meter is the result. make s no difference, cheap or expensive multi meter..........they all take a crap when they meet the meyer tank circuit.

Ok but how about the charging?, on first power in i get 5-7v at the cell when I aproach that freq.the voltage starts to rise from 5-30v-80v-200v-350v-maxed out.What about the neon bulb fully lighted?and geting hot in 1min?[/quote]That small extension should help to get correct measurement because it samples max. voltage peaks and displays.

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=3820

Quote from bussi04 on June 13th, 2013, 05:55 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 05:36 AM

Quote from Ray Don on June 13th, 2013, 05:07 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 04:46 AM

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more likely your meter met with the pulse frequency and took a crap

Max i was talking nice...and i respect your work ...''met with pulse freq''?explain

i said nothing bad
i have had many meters do that. what happens is the frequency at the cell is a back and forth. not a AC wave, and not DC. the meter is not designed to handle the energy spikes and tank circuit. the battery is depleted and the meter goes into over load. often damage to the meter is the result. make s no difference, cheap or expensive multi meter..........they all take a crap when they meet the meyer tank circuit.

Ok but how about the charging?, on first power in i get 5-7v at the cell when I aproach that freq.the voltage starts to rise from 5-30v-80v-200v-350v-maxed out.What about the neon bulb fully lighted?and geting hot in 1min?

That small extension should help to get correct measurement because it samples max. voltage peaks and displays.

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=3820[/quote]those cheapy meter they sale in the usa, they die fast, when met with the frequency.  when the battery dies, the meter will climb in voltage and go into overload. first time i saw the voltage climb on that cheap meter.....i was so excited....took me a while to understand what happened. i even made a video, was going to show it. then realized the meter was broke.

not to say your meter is doing this. who knows. your meter is not the one i had.

i use a nice meter now, cost me 80 bucks. it reads correctly. reads rms and frequency. seems to work well. i called the company when i bought it, told them what i was doing. they said it will work, if not, they would refund my money. although..........i will never trust the multi meter again.

lets try your meter inhancement and see. i would suggest more caps on it. maybe a diode from neg to pos

i just use a isolated ground scope now. it seems to work fine. the price is high though

i am now building circuits to try and run a motor. all the circuits on the engine , i have 3 1000 uf caps on each circuit. then each circuit is in line with those caps.

/watch?v=EIki0kUMgWo
with all this work, everyone must be aware there is stray magnetic waves everywhere. and dont forget, you are 70% water.
/watch?v=EBRG1bUVymg

the neon........not really a fair test. a little grain of wheat neon will light at 100 volts. and there again with the frequency , could have been a skin effect from the higher frequency or just you transformer effect.

sadly as everyone also tell me........ there must be proof.

but sadly, i just dont see that you reached 2k volts here.
mainly for the reasons already stated here. but........really i can not say you did not.

Thanks Max,i understand, i don't know what to say,you might be right,untill i get /build a scope and show what the waveform looks I will not press on and explain the efects i saw because like you said i might be wrong,and i ask you guys to not press me anymore.

Bussy about your schematic for acurate measurement,i will try when i will order multiple parts(yes i dont have a ''radioshach''in my city)i have to make an order for everithing,and is very hard to build something,then find that you needone more part ...then make another order...pay the shypment..etc....

I will try to build a scope,its called dpscope ,it is almost opensource,but has no pcb layout,only circuit schematic,i will open a thread about this and maibe you  expert electronic guys can help me create a pcb...Cheers!!!

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 11:30 AM

Thanks Max,i understand, i don't know what to say,you might be right,untill i get /build a scope and show what the waveform looks I will not press on and explain the efects i saw because like you said i might be wrong,and i ask you guys to not press me anymore.

Bussy about your schematic for acurate measurement,i will try when i will order multiple parts(yes i dont have a ''radioshach''in my city)i have to make an order for everithing,and is very hard to build something,then find that you needone more part ...then make another order...pay the shypment..etc....

I will try to build a scope,its called dpscope ,it is almost opensource,but has no pcb layout,only circuit schematic,i will open a thread about this and maibe you  expert electronic guys can help me create a pcb...Cheers!!!

I would suggest u to buy some old scope of around 1Mhz frequency,
dont go for the tit bits and waste ur time in making testing instruments as
still the accuracy will be a question mark, moreover
u should focus on the primary job.
I have an old scope of 10 Mhz from techtronix , and i bought it like for 90 bucks,
its CRT type but works great with accurate measurements.
I hope it helps :)  

Quote from waqas148 on June 14th, 2013, 04:06 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 13th, 2013, 11:30 AM

Thanks Max,i understand, i don't know what to say,you might be right,untill i get /build a scope and show what the waveform looks I will not press on and explain the efects i saw because like you said i might be wrong,and i ask you guys to not press me anymore.

Bussy about your schematic for acurate measurement,i will try when i will order multiple parts(yes i dont have a ''radioshach''in my city)i have to make an order for everithing,and is very hard to build something,then find that you needone more part ...then make another order...pay the shypment..etc....

I will try to build a scope,its called dpscope ,it is almost opensource,but has no pcb layout,only circuit schematic,i will open a thread about this and maibe you  expert electronic guys can help me create a pcb...Cheers!!!

I would suggest u to buy some old scope of around 1Mhz frequency,
dont go for the tit bits and waste ur time in making testing instruments as
still the accuracy will be a question mark, moreover
u should focus on the primary job.
I have an old scope of 10 Mhz from techtronix , and i bought it like for 90 bucks,
its CRT type but works great with accurate measurements.
I hope it helps :)

Thanks,i will get a new one ,lab model,for 150$ ,but right now i am low on funds...Cheers.

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Thanks,i will get a new one ,lab model,for 150$ ,but right now i am low on funds...Cheers.

And i hope you will come back to this thread with the results on your Scope
and say "Look at the waveform, See i was on the right track!!!" ;)

Quote from waqas148 on June 14th, 2013, 10:05 AM

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Thanks,i will get a new one ,lab model,for 150$ ,but right now i am low on funds...Cheers.

And i hope you will come back to this thread with the results on your Scope
and say "Look at the waveform, See i was on the right track!!!" ;)

Thanks,hope so...Cheers!!!

Quote from adys15 on June 4th, 2013, 04:18 PM

Quote from bussi04 on June 4th, 2013, 03:15 PM

@adys15

I watched your video and the setup.


Sorry to say that but I´m quite sure that voltage has not reached any level near 2 KV.


indications for my assumption are

- using crocodile clamps for the hv part will create corona and sparks at voltages above 500v at normal humidity (completely isolated cables and doped connectors are needed)

- your meter is irritated by one of 2 effects:

first:
DC voltage pulses at frequency 8 khz (without true rms it can´t cope with those pulses >> 50 hz)
reason mode of operation of simple DMMS:
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDigitalmultimeter

or second:
by using bifilar wound secondaries and chokes that will usually create AC voltage over the cell and not DC pulses. If that´s the case your range 1000V DC doesn´t fit but choosing AC would not better the measurement because it´s no true RMS

or both ...



what can you do to crosscheck your measurement?

one idea is to use the neon bulb or some other kind of load with well known voltage trigger level and put it with fitting resistor in parallel to your cells.
if it gives light you know the neon bulb minimum voltage level reached.

another idea is to adopt your measurement configuration in a way your DMM can digest. then you have to rectify the pulsed voltage over the cell no matter if DC or AC (appended pic).

your capacitor must take up to 2000V and also the diode.

http://www.vishay.com/diodes/med-high-diodes/reverse-voltage-gteq-2000-v-lt-3000-v/

that way your DMM gets constant DC voltage and can take correct measurements.

take care that R2 is a resistor array instead of a single resistor. the reason why standard DMMS are limited in the 1000V range is that higher voltage will spark over the inner connections of the DMM. the same will happen to a single R2.

assuming that your DMM has 10 MOhm resistance take 10 resistors of 1 MOhm in series and put them in series to your DMM. then you have doubled your measurement range to 2000V.

If your DMM has 1 MOhm resistance at voltage measurement R2 array must be 1 MOhm.

btw. your video shows an open transformer at the diode side - that means that there is a huuuuge air gap involved :-) .

that indicates that there is a flyback transformer effect at your´s.

Why do people complicate so much.First my Dmm is not irritated, i put it far from the setup and measures the same,if it was iritated by transf freq. it would be at 7khz and 9khz and so on ...Why before  i start to rise the freq. the voltage at the cell is 5-7v and when i get closer it starts to charge up from 5-120v-300v-500v--blank?my scope gets iritated right there?when i increase the freq some more the voltage decreases...to 5-7v again!why?my dmm has an iritable resonance freq?

2I am using bif chokes NOT secoundaries.

3.A huge air gap? where? on the left side?I leave it that way to be able to remove the coils faster.If it is a flyback efect try it with a flyback and see whats hapens..the voltage will not be more than 1v at the cell.If i puted some nails in there you would say it had 2 gaps:)) i dont understand how do you see a gap where there is not an E suronding the coils.that's doesnt mater.Hey i have a laminated core from end to end inside my bobins?yes what more do you want?build it and see whats happens.

hi

I wanted to comment on this part of thread,   guys we have some huge unique skills at play here, very excellent knowledge,

please make sure we don't mus understand each others intentions, we are close and all working on the best info and cross check bare with it you doing cutting edge testing and others are very egar to see it come true and will cross check.

not to bag it but to ensure holes for mistakes are closed, than if solid we all will push hard to raise method up as gospel.

Dan

Quote from Ray Don on June 12th, 2013, 02:45 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 5th, 2013, 12:08 PM

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

so let me understand what you said.
you hit resonance with water in the cell. woodsides circuit. you hit resonance with no gate. then you turned on the gate, and it was still the same resonance. at 2000 volts at the cell. and gas poured off.
ic

I think stan showed us something like this in the "birth of new technology" book, it was called "Triggering Resonance".



1. the left chart shows what is happening when rising the frequency of the circuit-> the amps decrease (because of the chokes)

2. the voltage of the secondary side will go up automatically, because the amps decrease

3. Then when reaching the "Resonant Point", he switch of the signal (right chart).
Gas still produced in the WFC.  

Adys15, did you experienced such a behavior in the WFC?

Quote from Amsy on August 9th, 2013, 06:30 AM

Quote from Ray Don on June 12th, 2013, 02:45 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 5th, 2013, 12:08 PM

bussy when i hit resonance i  was not using the gate,then i use it and it behaves the same,i will buy a neon just to show you my meter is not crazy,in the video i used a small neon bulb that lights over 1kv.I am very short on resources right now and i can do proper testing.i will build a pc scope in near future.Why you dont try it and you are so stuborn?

so let me understand what you said.
you hit resonance with water in the cell. woodsides circuit. you hit resonance with no gate. then you turned on the gate, and it was still the same resonance. at 2000 volts at the cell. and gas poured off.
ic

I think stan showed us something like this in the "birth of new technology" book, it was called "Triggering Resonance".



1. the left chart shows what is happening when rising the frequency of the circuit-> the amps decrease (because of the chokes)

2. the voltage of the secondary side will go up automatically, because the amps decrease

3. Then when reaching the "Resonant Point", he switch of the signal (right chart).
Gas still produced in the WFC.  

Adys15, did you experienced such a behavior in the WFC?

Did you ever get an Oscilloscope so you can see what's going on with your experiments?