PROJECT ICARUS

Lynx

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #50, on May 21st, 2013, 08:19 AM »
Quote from pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 03:49 PM
Come on guys, was not trying to be rude or the expert here, nor to be ignorant.I'm sorry. Lets move on.
Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 07:09 PM
Im not trying to fight so I apologize for any of my behavior. But I take offense to it when someone wants to tell me everything I know and research is a magical theory.
Thanks guys, appreciate it
As for the remainder of this thread, I'm expecting to see a tad more civil tone here.
That goes for everyone, no one in particular mentioned, no one forgotten.
This will not be repeated.
Thanks for your cooperation.

Ray Don

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #51, on May 21st, 2013, 09:38 AM »Last edited on May 21st, 2013, 09:55 AM by Ray Don
:P
Quote from Lynx on May 21st, 2013, 08:19 AM
Quote from pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 03:49 PM
Come on guys, was not trying to be rude or the expert here, nor to be ignorant.I'm sorry. Lets move on.
Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 07:09 PM
Im not trying to fight so I apologize for any of my behavior. But I take offense to it when someone wants to tell me everything I know and research is a magical theory.
Thanks guys, appreciate it
As for the remainder of this thread, I'm expecting to see a tad more civil tone here.
That goes for everyone, no one in particular mentioned, no one forgotten.
This will not be repeated.
Thanks for your cooperation.
:P
:heart:

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 07:09 PM
Quote from Ray Don on May 20th, 2013, 01:57 PM
back then gasoline was 85 cents a gallon. no gas boosters where needed. jobs were easy to find and gas was cheap.

there are people who say just a ozone gen will save you gas.

i think firepinto is a name that should try that.
or print me out a tube for my leds. i will put it in my truck. i get a steady 20mpg going to work every day. it has a carberator
Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 01:37 PM
Quote from pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 11:11 AM
I'm seeing a lot of confusion around Stans work here...

Stan was using basic electrical attraction/repelling forces to make water into a fuel. Nothing magic going on here.

By the laws of physics charges behave in a specific way. Unlike attract and like repel.

The water molecule is polar and has thus a more positively charged side and a more negatively charged side, and if you expose it to an electric field the two sides off it will be attracted in opposite directions and pull the water molecule apart. This is The Electrical Polarization Process.

the same basically goes for the gas processor, you are ripping electrons off and thereby ionizes the gas molecule. Then the gas can be used for The Hydrogen Fracturing Process.

We need to read up on Stans work and stop having crazy theories about were the energy is coming from, coatings, magic resonance frequency's and other stuff. Stans work can be explained by common science and that was what he was trying to do!

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just trying to show you that the explanation for Stans work lies in his patents and publications.
Probably the most ignorant thing I have heard all day. Crazy theories, coatings, magic resonance frequency's...... if you dont understand how things actually work, please done try to come in here and say sh*t like that.

Resonance.... Materials.... Ionization.... Aperture of the 3rd dimension....

Learn about these things before you try to tell us how this is all a bunch of crazy blah. Get yourself familiar to harmonics, and the interactions of atoms and their states as well as basic quantum mechanics.

We know how the polarization process works, its been known for decades. The point of stans usage of harmonics is to break the bonds of water and hydrogen much more efficient.

Sure we can make a dry cell and hook up a massive 60v @ 40amps and get a solid 15LPM. But thats exactly the problem.

Stan had to use more than electrolysis from a - and + plate. You have to tap in to the resonance of water to get a high output.

Tesla figured this all out a long time ago, when he vibrated the hotel he was in and got close to the resonant signatures and the hotel started to shake.


Lol.... Magic Resonance Frequencies....... Learn how your cell phone works.
Quote from firepinto on May 20th, 2013, 01:33 PM
I still think the electron extraction circuit can be tested on a normal car running on gasoline. A mileage improvement should show up if it is working.  The hydrocarbons still form in to water in the exaust.  The theory should still apply.
Come to think about it, has there ever been any shots of Stans daily driver car in videos?  I dare to bet he used that as a test bed for many things.

Nate
Yes uh well actually we should be able to see a difference in output energy, not much, but measurable.

We need a compression test cylinder or somethign to test the output energy on the explosion.

Part of me making a gas processor was to do exactly that, hook it to my jeeps intake. I have to do more research though on the effects of the carbon atoms may have in this role. So we will have to see how it goes.
Quote from pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 11:11 AM
I'm seeing a lot of confusion around Stans work here...

Stan was using basic electrical attraction/repelling forces to make water into a fuel. Nothing magic going on here.

By the laws of physics charges behave in a specific way. Unlike attract and like repel.

The water molecule is polar and has thus a more positively charged side and a more negatively charged side, and if you expose it to an electric field the two sides off it will be attracted in opposite directions and pull the water molecule apart. This is The Electrical Polarization Process.

the same basically goes for the gas processor, you are ripping electrons off and thereby ionizes the gas molecule. Then the gas can be used for The Hydrogen Fracturing Process.

We need to read up on Stans work and stop having crazy theories about were the energy is coming from, coatings, magic resonance frequency's and other stuff. Stans work can be explained by common science and that was what he was trying to do!

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just trying to show you that the explanation for Stans work lies in his patents and publications.
I dont know why my posts arent showing up...

Okay so yea this is the dumbest thing Ive heard all day.

You need to learn about resonance and harmonics and quantum mechanics before you come in here and post about how none of that matters.

Dont take it the wrong way, but you dont understand any of it other than 2 plates one being positive and the other being negative.
your right, thats the dumbest thing i read all day too.
LOL
resonance of water is into the ghz.
let me know when your bell rings that fast:P

simply to break a molicule apart with its resonant frequency.......you just turn up you frequency gen to say........idk....20ghz. for a base freq, then 21 ghz and 19 ghz then that baby will just come unglued.
problem is...........YOU CANT
LOL
thats not what stan did. and he did not ring his tubes like a bell either .
physics man..........its awesome
a child can ring a bell....then again.....so can a school teacher....and the icecream man.
show me a bell making HHO
Sure the frequency of water is in the ghz, but that doesnt mean frequency is useless here. I never specifically said anything about turning the cell rods in to a bell.

Obviously were not tuning in to the frequency of the water itself. But we can invoke a specific resonance frequency to aid in the process breaking a bond. Maybe the angular moment of the electrons has soemthing to do with it. Im not 100% sure what the frequency is going to be doing. But I can tell you that we are not ringing bells.

Im not trying to fight so I apologize for any of my behavior. But I take offense to it when someone wants to tell me everything I know and research is a magical theory.
heres what i see, my opinion
most people see resonance as that ringing at some point of the circuit. thats not what we want. sure its resonance of sorts. but just like a bell ringing. not much acomplished by it. plain to see, by how many have shown it.

right molicules can easily be broken with resonance. drug companies do it everyday. finding base compounds. big hunk of a machine the size of a house.

obviously stan s machine did not go into the ghz. so my point is. his resonance meaning must mean something else. resonance is a fancy word with multiple meanings

if my replies offended you, i appoligise. but i think you see what i am talking about

Quote from firepinto on May 20th, 2013, 06:12 PM
Quote from Ray Don on May 20th, 2013, 01:57 PM
back then gasoline was 85 cents a gallon. no gas boosters where needed. jobs were easy to find and gas was cheap.

there are people who say just a ozone gen will save you gas.

i think firepinto is a name that should try that.
or print me out a tube for my leds. i will put it in my truck. i get a steady 20mpg going to work every day. it has a carberator
I do plan on building 1 or 2 for my 1.6L VW diesel, plus print an intake manifold to replace the air filter box.  I think I'll need more CFM than Stan's version since diesel has no throttle body, so I may just use two.  How many liters is your truck?  I can work with ya on a print that will work for it.  :)

I'm not sure how cramped for under hood space the truck is, but I plan on making a big cowl induction type hood, and a strut tower brace under that to mount the gas guns.  The greasecar kit already took up all my spare space.:P


Nate
i have plenty of room under my hood, thats one of the points i like of the truck.

so if i give you the size, can you print me a tube ? i can trade you led boards or pay you.
i need 2 tubes with led board fittings in one and the other would be just the outside cover. then 2 ends for the plasma tube holder. no doubt this would be a sought after unit. maybe aluminum foil glued into the inside
i have the 7 led boards and the long ones.
as i have said before, the pictures of meyers leds show the were red diffused and in that day, radioshack red leds were 660 nm. in ohio in the 80s , radio shack was about all you could get.


firepinto

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #52, on May 21st, 2013, 07:01 PM »
Quote from Ray Don on May 21st, 2013, 09:38 AM
i have plenty of room under my hood, thats one of the points i like of the truck.

so if i give you the size, can you print me a tube ? i can trade you led boards or pay you.
i need 2 tubes with led board fittings in one and the other would be just the outside cover. then 2 ends for the plasma tube holder. no doubt this would be a sought after unit. maybe aluminum foil glued into the inside
i have the 7 led boards and the long ones.
as i have said before, the pictures of meyers leds show the were red diffused and in that day, radioshack red leds were 660 nm. in ohio in the 80s , radio shack was about all you could get.
I can with good measurements and ruff drawings.   Trades or pay works for me.  Right now my printer has a print area of 200mm L x 200mm w x 100m h, but I'm trying to squeeze a little more height out of it.  If it needs to be a longer tube it could be printed in pieces and glued.   I would be posting all files I draw up for it on this site as open source.

Nate

Ray Don

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #53, on May 22nd, 2013, 04:56 AM »Last edited on May 22nd, 2013, 12:21 PM by Ray Don
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Quote from firepinto on May 21st, 2013, 07:01 PM
Quote from Ray Don on May 21st, 2013, 09:38 AM
i have plenty of room under my hood, thats one of the points i like of the truck.

so if i give you the size, can you print me a tube ? i can trade you led boards or pay you.
i need 2 tubes with led board fittings in one and the other would be just the outside cover. then 2 ends for the plasma tube holder. no doubt this would be a sought after unit. maybe aluminum foil glued into the inside
i have the 7 led boards and the long ones.
as i have said before, the pictures of meyers leds show the were red diffused and in that day, radioshack red leds were 660 nm. in ohio in the 80s , radio shack was about all you could get.
I can with good measurements and ruff drawings.   Trades or pay works for me.  Right now my printer has a print area of 200mm L x 200mm w x 100m h, but I'm trying to squeeze a little more height out of it.  If it needs to be a longer tube it could be printed in pieces and glued.   I would be posting all files I draw up for it on this site as open source.

Nate
this is the basic design with minimum dimensions, needed. the led board is same as meyer used. the red leds you see there are circa 1980s defused red 660nm. i almost had to build a time machine to find them. expensive.

new LED that are 660nm have magnifier lenses. the photon wavelength is said to be the same as the old ones. difference is the magnifier. so the LEd engineer told me over the phone.
most red leds are 635nm with a peak of 660nm, red 660 listed leds are the most expensive. the GP needs a reflective coating on the inside......possibly the new claer magnifier lenses are equal to the old ones, the only way to know is with a spectral anyliser for led wavelengths.

mainly intensity is because of the magnifier lense. the spectrum comes from the chemical inside the led. each color of led has a different chemical inside. and each color is a different spectrum or wavelength. all leds give off photon energy of the wave length in that spectrum. white is a mixture of all color spectrums

xxzeropiontxx

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #54, on May 22nd, 2013, 06:58 PM »
I talked with paul hunt  he told me the best way to pull electrons off is to use a small spike in the tube with a + charge of hv

Matt Watts

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #55, on May 23rd, 2013, 08:18 PM »Last edited on May 23rd, 2013, 09:59 PM by Matt Watts
Smart Scarecrow Presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEIRwnQuYY

Didn't think I'd come home from work tonight to see that.  Need to watch it a few times and see if I can learn something.

Really looking forward to see that motor humming live on Scarecrow's broadcast.

securesupplies

RE: PROJECT ICARUS
« Reply #56, on July 19th, 2013, 09:03 AM »
Quote from Ray Don on May 22nd, 2013, 04:56 AM
Quote from firepinto on May 21st, 2013, 07:01 PM
Quote from Ray Don on May 21st, 2013, 09:38 AM
i have plenty of room under my hood, thats one of the points i like of the truck.

so if i give you the size, can you print me a tube ? i can trade you led boards or pay you.
i need 2 tubes with led board fittings in one and the other would be just the outside cover. then 2 ends for the plasma tube holder. no doubt this would be a sought after unit. maybe aluminum foil glued into the inside
i have the 7 led boards and the long ones.
as i have said before, the pictures of meyers leds show the were red diffused and in that day, radioshack red leds were 660 nm. in ohio in the 80s , radio shack was about all you could get.
I can with good measurements and ruff drawings.   Trades or pay works for me.  Right now my printer has a print area of 200mm L x 200mm w x 100m h, but I'm trying to squeeze a little more height out of it.  If it needs to be a longer tube it could be printed in pieces and glued.   I would be posting all files I draw up for it on this site as open source.

Nate
this is the basic design with minimum dimensions, needed. the led board is same as meyer used. the red leds you see there are circa 1980s defused red 660nm. i almost had to build a time machine to find them. expensive.

new LED that are 660nm have magnifier lenses. the photon wavelength is said to be the same as the old ones. difference is the magnifier. so the LEd engineer told me over the phone.
most red leds are 635nm with a peak of 660nm, red 660 listed leds are the most expensive. the GP needs a reflective coating on the inside......possibly the new claer magnifier lenses are equal to the old ones, the only way to know is with a spectral anyliser for led wavelengths.

mainly intensity is because of the magnifier lense. the spectrum comes from the chemical inside the led. each color of led has a different chemical inside. and each color is a different spectrum or wavelength. all leds give off photon energy of the wave length in that spectrum. white is a mixture of all color spectrums
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Dan