Quote from Matt Watts on August 31st, 2015, 12:25 PM

A few milli-ohms can make all the difference in the world.

I don't think so for this parallel RL, but it can make all the difference in the world NOT using one at all . It is ok for things not to be exact values, this is what the scan function is for, finding the frequency with the MOST output for that RLC combination used (you will still get an output at other frequencies,just lower ). The vic and transformer from a card would power one tube for one cylinder, One single transformer and tube set 4x the size  may work on a car alone, or full car size style output, but if you study Bedini, multiple parallel transformers will give better output than if combined into one. But everything is now known enough to reproduce this now.  And I bet people are but are just to afraid to post about it.

Quote from Davy Oneness on September 1st, 2015, 02:04 PM

But everything is now known enough to reproduce this now.

I never really started replicating Meyer's VIC, I mean for real, simply because I got lost in all the various theories I found and I couldn't really follow the leads in all the clips that I've seen so I'm more or less waiting for the necessary open source documents to be published that which not only shows the schematics for the build at hand but also shows say a converted lawnmower or a genset or a car up and running powered the Meyer water fuel cell way.

So by all means, if you do have it all figured out, feel free to share what you got, because I sure haven't, I guess if I'll ever get a chance to wrap my head around this I'd have to empty all my cups first as they're filled with quite a messy soup right now, to put it mildly.

Hi everyone. Ok here is my take on this sorry if I am stepping on toes. Stan was as some of you pointed out in earlier posts pioneering this in his garage. I do not believe he invented though. I can show proof later it has been around since probably before good Stan was born. What I think he reproduced was a high voltage plasma in the cell and not only was he creating HHO as a byproduct he was running the vehicle on mainly H2. He was creating the high voltages necessary by creating a vacuum which pumped the Ionized plasma through the rings of coils. He was pulsing the cell with the photo diodes or he was pulling from them. my guess is pulsing the cell with photo or light frequency to continue to disrupt the equilibrium of the cell as he was pulsing the tubes with a square pulsed wave which in turn split the H20 into HHO. He would pulse this HHO with a high frequency radio or light wave thus creating the plasma. Plasma would then be pumped through coils thus creating a charge in coils as it is continuously looped through the charging circuit. some of Hydrogen is sucked off going to the special spark plugs he created. these are basically like the ones I have seen here. remember he had to pioneer this stuff the best he could out of a garage. so he brings hydrogen to the plug because it is the most beneficial location within the cylinder right there next to where the high voltage plasma spark plug would ignite the hydrogen at as close to top dead center as possible thus creating the ability to run the vw engine. I think what most people do not consider is the VW was the engine of choice at that time for the home mechanic to play with. Simple and Could run it easier on vapor then american style. Now there are ways around this. lol. I would like to thank all of you for your parts in helping me put this together in my head. Ok enuff for tonite I am off to rest my noggin. I just knocked out this complete thread and am brain fried. lol. Ok parting thoughts there are easier ways then the way Stan did this. I know this now. I guarantee if he would have come along at our time there is no telling where we could have taken this. I am afraid though with todays current exopolitical views and greed he would still be at best lucky to live. Ok all I am done for now.
PnL,
Eyeindanorth

Quote from brettly on September 1st, 2015, 01:31 AM

I'm wondering if anyone has come across any information on matching coils to wfc ( or injectors),
I realise stans coils have been replicated both for wfc and injector, it seems there is quite a bit of information available on stans coils but not much on how to build coils to match a given wfc or injector style.

to build a injector coil simply use the wire that is correct for the job. a glow plug is all you need...

Quote from eyeindanorth on September 4th, 2015, 03:48 AM

Stan was as some of you pointed out in earlier posts pioneering this in his garage. I do not believe he invented though. I can show proof later it has been around since probably before good Stan was born.

That is true, and I have heard the story told that one of the Meyer brothers, when in the navy, noticed separation in a glass of water next to them from a HV static field while working on radar equipment. But one of them certainly was trained and influenced by classified Navy electronics. I would even imagine the ships are using the technology to make fresh water and they may have even worked on those systems while on the ship.
(I do believe that technology is actually classified, as I even seem to remember being on a tour of a navy ship way way back in boy scouts and being told that,and it wasn't even a nuclear vessel)

Quote from eyeindanorth on September 4th, 2015, 03:48 AM

He was pulsing the cell with the photo diodes or he was pulling from them. my guess is pulsing the cell with photo or light frequency to continue to disrupt the equilibrium of the cell as he was pulsing the tubes with a square pulsed wave which in turn split the H20 into HHO."

Yes, important to bring up. First, after the cell was step charged, it needed to be quickly discharged so it could be step charged back up again on the next pulse. This I think he called his electron harvesting, in some cases it was shown as just a light bulb load  across the cell (doesn't have to light up, I think just a resistor function for draining the cap. Dave lawton shows this in his replications too). But there is also added efficiency to the process of using LED's for "Photoelectrolysis" and what a better way than to power that with the cell discharge cycle!

Quote from eyeindanorth on September 4th, 2015, 03:48 AM

He would pulse this HHO with a high frequency radio or light wave thus creating the plasma. Plasma would then be pumped through coils thus creating a charge in coils as it is continuously looped through the charging circuit. some of Hydrogen is sucked off going to the special spark plugs he created. these are basically like the ones I have seen here. remember he had to pioneer this stuff the best he could out of a garage. so he brings hydrogen to the plug because it is the most beneficial location within the cylinder right there next to where the high voltage plasma spark plug would ignite the hydrogen at as close to top dead center as possible thus creating the ability to run the vw engine.

Now this is another important point I just recently realized a month or so ago. He creates the plasma with another VIC circuit to two stainless plates to act as a ozone generator for the gas to pass through. The O2 then becomes O3 so when it burns, it can't recombine as fast, slowing the burn to get more power transferred during the power cycle. THIS IS WHAT XOGEN WAS DOING WITH THE LITTLE BOX RIGHT BEFORE THE BURNER!
 Now get this, you mix in "non combustable gasses" ie "ambient air" to this mixture, and now you can adjust the burn rate to match diesel, gas, propain, natural gas........
So when I realized this, I started looking on youtube for anyone who may have experimented with this, and I found this guy:

https://youtu.be/7aTVu4SJ79w

So now get this, O3 is unstable so you have to create it close to where you are going to use it.
So if you think about the Meyers plugs now, the spark pug plasma can't ignite the gas! it is the O3 generator! So hopefully  you all know that HHO can not be stored under presure because it will explode right? So the peak pressure of the compression stroke causes the gas to explode!

Some good study stuff if you haven't already:
http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/hho/Meyer/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf

Quote from Davy Oneness on September 4th, 2015, 09:20 AM

Some good study stuff if you haven't already:
http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/hho/Meyer/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf

Thanks :thumbsup:

Interesting video link davey oneness, I think from memory someone else had done a video showing same result ( ozone generator plasma and hho = no bang), I had forgotten about that finding.
I guess thats why they call it a 'cold' plasma. So in terms of the meyer injector it is possible no combustion due due to any plasma in the voltage zone. But exactly when the hho would explode due to compression would require experimenting. The hho would need to explode at the correct moment, which would depend on temperature and pressure of the cylinder, so I would guess you would still need a spark to detonate the hho at the correct timing, leaving it up to cylinder pressure/temperature alone I doubt would work. It needs to detonate at correct time, stan had gone to quite alot of trouble to work out how to change the flame speed of hho to match that of petrol/diesel. Which would mean its not necessary to adjust the timing ( thats my understanding of it). I suspect he delivered a pulse to the injector to initiate a spark at correct time, different to the pulses used to split h20 into hho.

Update for those real that are following. After some experimentation, it is clear to me that one of the plates needs to be insulated to prevent electron flow and make it as Stanly puts it, an " ideal capacitor" .I experimented with the set up without plate coatings, and the water just becomes electrified from current flow.  Stan states for one cell the water has a resistance of 75oms(also states salt water can be used without problems even though even more conductive), so clearly the water is not the dielectric part of these capacitors. Instead the water is an extension of the negative plate while the positive electrode is insulated. In early stan prototypes, and xogen demo, the plates must be done with clear coat polyurethane, I think. The proof of all this is in Stan's car plug which is as he states,is a miniature compact version of his whole system, and the positive electrode has like 2mm ceramic insulation to prevent the current flow through in order to set up the electrostatic field for splitting. Why ceramic? because the poly is only good short term because of Ozone produced in the process will degrade the coating over time!    So all those replications with "conditioned plates" was about discovering that the plates need an amp restricting coating, but don't do both pos and neg! Because I am pretty sure the Neg isn't insulated for best results. Wonder where people like ravi and lawton at these days, my guess is they are keeping their results private now that they found the key. It is getting cold here, so not sure if I can get my plates coated to continue till spring, so hopefully someone can pick up and share until then, that is if there are any experimenters left around here.

Something interesting I came across while doing other research:
"Water insulated delay lines, or capacitors, are used for the production of megavolt pulses on certain systems..."

https://books.google.com/books?id=XYSoBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=%22water+for+insulating+high+voltage+pulse+systems%22&source=bl&ots=9Bn6muiJkc&sig=RUBhExa3Bhqt-UiFpuQZ5L5x7CU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3y6HY9cLKAhWBZCYKHZTDCPMQ6AEILTAA#v=onepage&q=%22water%20for%20insulating%20high%20voltage%20pulse%20systems%22&f=true

the voltage zone where the water splitting occurs in the injector only has a gap of 0.01inch,
theres no ceramic in that section of the plug. Other parts of the plug play no role in water splitting, so the ceramic sections are to insulate the positive and negative voltages from each other ( flashover).
I have no idea if the stainless requires insulation to keep current down. Though once bubbles are produced they will increase the resistance unless they are quickly removed.

I think stans tubes in his estate were examined, I dont think they found any insulation, but they were in very good condition apparently. If you have metal/water interface on one side and resin/water interface on the other side, there will be different processes going on each side.
At the moment I'm thining no insulation is the way to go, but thats only from researching about water/metal interfaces. I'm still in process of building a pulse network based on valyonpzs' work.
Its interesting work your doing.

Quote from Davy Oneness on January 24th, 2016, 09:11 AM

Something interesting I came across while doing other research:
"Water insulated delay lines, or capacitors, are used for the production of megavolt pulses on certain systems..."

https://books.google.com/books?id=XYSoBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=%22water+for+insulating+high+voltage+pulse+systems%22&source=bl&ots=9Bn6muiJkc&sig=RUBhExa3Bhqt-UiFpuQZ5L5x7CU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3y6HY9cLKAhWBZCYKHZTDCPMQ6AEILTAA#v=onepage&q=%22water%20for%20insulating%20high%20voltage%20pulse%20systems%22&f=true

this water insulation is distilled water with some means to filter any kind of contaminants.
distilled water is a perfect isolator for up to 100 µs:)

those megavolt pulses are of short duration and for those water is a perfect and cheap insulator.

calculating 100 µs to a frequency gives a pulse period of 200 µs and recalculating to frequency gives 5 kHz ...

Those 5 kHz perfectly fit into Stan Meyer frequency ballpark ;)

So water (at least distilled) is not just pure resistance! it´s a non-linear resistor and a capacitor at the same time.

this water "switch" from insulator to conductor might be the reason for high frequency oscillations in the LC network of VIC chokes and WFC.


btw. this discussion doesn´t fit to Arduino VIC resonator thread theme ...

I reworked an old movie from 2014.
Please enjoy...

https://youtu.be/yOlT-J90hGg

my version on pcb

Hardkrome
Hello dear Hardkrome! Please share schematic diagram of generator I will try to make it, with creative vision, so exited with you work. Thank you! Love And Light!

Hi. Gate LED does not work. It is necessary to add some lines.

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Timer1.pwm(GATEOUT, duty, 1000000/gatef);                       //turns on Gating signal to pin 10
  digitalWrite(GATELED, HIGH);                                                       //Turn ON GATE out LED
  volt = analogRead(PICKUP);                                                          //read the voltage on the VIC
                                                                                                          //*Needed to uncomment this line for the pick up coil voltage to be read during gating - firepinto 10/25/14
  if (volt > 818)                                                                                  //If pickup coil voltage is over 4 volts at pin, light LED. *Added by firepinto 10/26/14
     {
     digitalWrite(PEAKLED, HIGH);                                                  //Turn ON pick-up coil peak voltage LED
     }
   else
     {
     digitalWrite(PEAKLED, LOW);                                                   //Turn OFF pick-up coil peak voltage LED
     digitalWrite(GATELED, LOW);                                                   //Turn OFF GATE out LED
     } 

Quote from DimDimuch on January 31st, 2020, 07:15 PM

Hardkrome
Hello dear Hardkrome! Please share schematic diagram of generator I will try to make it, with creative vision, so exited with you work. Thank you! Love And Light!

I used the circuit on page 4 and I made about 3 different outputs for it for testing.