After studying this patent and being intrigued by it I decided to look at all the different transformer types and which type (if any) it came closest to.
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Due to Stan's use of magnetic wire and his schematic shown above I now strongly believe without any shadow of a doubt that Stan has designed a variation of a Bi-Toroid transformer.
See here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYiT4zK9Kc
and here:-
http://teslasforsustainablesociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/bi-toroid-transformer/
I would suggest people take note of this technology, it may save you a lot of time.


 

Very good observation Nav.  I had a similar thought myself and decided to work solely on just the transformer piece.  My theory is that we are still pumping conventional current through the WFC, but we aren't paying for it because the energy is being collected for free in the transfer.  Either way, I'm perfectly happy.

Quote from Dog-One on March 26th, 2013, 04:52 PM

Very good observation Nav.  I had a similar thought myself and decided to work solely on just the transformer piece.  My theory is that we are still pumping conventional current through the WFC, but we aren't paying for it because the energy is being collected for free in the transfer.  Either way, I'm perfectly happy.

I agree 100% and it answers a thousand questions about Meyer patents. Current IS flowing in the water.

Maybe this is interessting for you guys:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/heinseffecten.htm

But where we can find the bitoroid here?

Quote from Amsy on March 28th, 2013, 09:34 AM

Maybe this is interessting for you guys:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/heinseffecten.htm

But where we can find the bitoroid here?

Thanks Amsy. Will read that later.
Just been discussing the whole issue about the Meyer patent with a friend and we think we may have come up with something.
Henry Moray had trouble getting patents on his free energy devices. Patent offices seem to have the habit of throwing them out as soon as they sniffed over unity or free energy instantly claiming that they cannot possibly work.
Stan knew this and in order to be able to get the patent he had to demonstrate the device successfully BUT not let the patent office figure out in any way its over unity.
For example if Stan removes the 2 inductors from the VIC and takes that into the patent office and suggests there is current flowing through the water then the patent office will immediately suspect his device is over unity and throw it out.
So Stan may have fabricated the electric field effect so that the patent office would never suspect if the capacitor was removed and replaced with a resistive load such as a light bulb it would be over unity. He then may have removed the 2 inductors from the Bi-Toroidal schematic and placed them into the series VIC without any Toroid core information to boot. This way the dumb asses at the patent office will never suspect this technology is linked to Moray and Tesla.
We believe there is a strong possibility that Stan was protecting his device from the over unity seek and destroy brigade while leaving enough clues for future generations to work from.
It's as if he knew he would be bumped off and he ensured his legacy would be left in patents but the patents would be figured out at a later date by people smarter than the patent office employees.

Quote from nav on March 28th, 2013, 11:21 AM

Quote from Amsy on March 28th, 2013, 09:34 AM

Maybe this is interessting for you guys:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/heinseffecten.htm

But where we can find the bitoroid here?

Thanks Amsy. Will read that later.
Just been discussing the whole issue about the Meyer patent with a friend and we think we may have come up with something.
Henry Moray had trouble getting patents on his free energy devices. Patent offices seem to have the habit of throwing them out as soon as they sniffed over unity or free energy instantly claiming that they cannot possibly work.
Stan knew this and in order to be able to get the patent he had to demonstrate the device successfully BUT not let the patent office figure out in any way its over unity.
For example if Stan removes the 2 inductors from the VIC and takes that into the patent office and suggests there is current flowing through the water then the patent office will immediately suspect his device is over unity and throw it out.
So Stan may have fabricated the electric field effect so that the patent office would never suspect if the capacitor was removed and replaced with a resistive load such as a light bulb it would be over unity. He then may have removed the 2 inductors from the Bi-Toroidal schematic and placed them into the series VIC without any Toroid core information to boot. This way the dumb asses at the patent office will never suspect this technology is linked to Moray and Tesla.
We believe there is a strong possibility that Stan was protecting his device from the over unity seek and destroy brigade while leaving enough clues for future generations to work from.
It's as if he knew he would be bumped off and he ensured his legacy would be left in patents but the patents would be figured out at a later date by people smarter than the patent office employees.

Hi nav,

nice theory! :)
I think you are right, saying the patent office´s rules regarding to OU devices. Stan surely had problems with that.
But where are the hints showing us a bitroidal core or transfo?
Do you have one found in the patents?

Quote from Amsy on March 29th, 2013, 05:22 AM

nice theory! :)
I think you are right, saying the patent office´s rules regarding to OU devices. Stan surely had problems with that.
But where are the hints showing us a bitroidal core or transfo?

Nav may be on to something here.  Have a look at JL Naudin's 2.1 BiTT.  It wouldn't be all that difficult to add the primary to the core after-the-fact, since it doesn't sit in the X-Y plane with the secondaries.  Instead of just a C-core to the left and right, add a third C-core vertically and without too much trouble, you have a Thane Heins variation of his BiTT.  Keep in mind, Thane initially referred to his transformer as a magnetic diode--sounds useful doesn't it...

Things then just become a matter of reducing input current, so resonance (optimal flux) is necessary to minimize current going into the primary, after which add as much load to the secondaries as you want.  This also explains the use of any type of water regardless of current draw.

Something to consider here, even if Stan didn't do it this way in his lab, there's nothing saying we can't do it this way.  The goal is to make Brown's gas and make it efficiently, enough to run an engine with.



http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE12en.htm

You are right, we don´t have to copy meyer´s idea and devices 1:1.
I understand what you mean, building a "new" primary side, it doesn´t look very difficult to do this on Stan´s VIC.

Stan once said in one of his lectures to students that YOU will be the master of this technology in the future not me.
Stan said several times in his interviews that his technology works in saltwater, tap water and rainwater. A series resonant circuit as in Stan's VIC in sea water at 1300PPM Magnesium+salt+other minerals and impurities is almost a dead short and voltage potential is a physical impossibility on his tubes in that circumstance. Stan must have known that people would twig on to this.
Also the fact that parallel resonant circuits are more suitable that series resonant circuits for such an arrangement is also a factor and Stan must have known that too.
He seems to have written several elementary mistakes into his patents that an average Joey in a patent office would never pick up on but people with more experience would.
So....imagine you are Stan Meyer and you know full well that Moray and Tesla as well as other inventors were knocked back and in some cases removed from society for daring to mention over unity or drawing energy from the zero point field, how would you play them at their own game?
Rule one: Don't mention over unity or you won't have a patent at all and will never be able to leave a legacy.
Rule two: Disguise your device so that no one will suspect over unity, in Stan's case invent a bogus electrical field that's doing the work, then that field cannot be transferred into another type of device or resistive load as a current to make a different over unity device.
Rule three: In the schematics, never show current flowing in the water, never show over unity or any possible way of transferring this device onto another payload and hope the people in the patent office are as thick as pudding.
Look at figure 9 which I have posted in this thread, in it lies one of Stan's cryptic clues, he places the diode inside the confines of the ferrite core. True, it lies between the secondary of a transformer and a resonant choke but none the less within the schematic confines of the core. His he trying to tell us cryptically that the diode is in the core itself? I think so.
So, we are left with a patent and a legacy where Stan has managed to patent a Moray/Tesla type device right under their noses and in fact rubbed their noses in it.
Stan was a smart man, all he needs is another smart man to decrypt his schematic and we are free once again from the grasp of JP Morgan and his greedy horrible successors.
We love you Stan RIP.

Yeah it always end up with a dead short. It is not possible to eliminate I=V / R. ;-)

Ok I understand the idea of the process which Stan had to going through, but I don´t understand, why he built 10 or 11 (??) VICs which are "false" and dumped them all and make another concept (injectors).
At last, we don´t know exactly what he thought and what he did. But dog-one already said it the right way, we can take his inventions as a good basic ingeneering and make the best of it, like applying a second core and make a bitoroid of it. ;)

Stan has purposely wired the lower resonant choke the wrong way. This is where he hopes we will pick up on the mistake and rectify it IMO.
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Quote from nav on March 30th, 2013, 09:16 AM

Stan has purposely wired the lower resonant choke the wrong way. This is where he hopes we will pick up on the mistake and rectify it IMO.

hi nav, I think it is also possible to setup the load like in the link of dog-one:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE12en.htm

look closely to the cabeling of the two secondarys. They are connected together in series with the LEDs and the switch.



This can be also made with the VIC. Maybe with all three secondary coils.

Quote from Amsy on April 1st, 2013, 10:40 AM

look closely to the cabeling of the two secondarys. They are connected together in series with the LEDs and the switch.

They are in series because the primary delivers half its flux to each secondary, so when you tie them back together you get the same input voltage, provided the turn ratio is the same.

Quote from Dog-One on April 1st, 2013, 11:23 AM

They are in series because the primary delivers half its flux to each secondary, so when you tie them back together you get the same input voltage, provided the turn ratio is the same.

Yes. When he turns on the secondary, the amps in the primary didn´t grow! Should work for electrolyses too, I think.

Quote from Amsy on April 1st, 2013, 11:34 AM

Yes. When he turns on the secondary, the amps in the primary didn´t grow! Should work for electrolyses too, I think.

Yes, it would work for lots of things if it's true.  I need to get my local machinist to cut me some laminents and find out.  Want something capable of connecting to the mains and delivering about 2000 watts.  Then we'll know if this is the real-deal or not.  If it works, I'll bring it into the shop and get the electrical techs to explain how it outputs more than it consumes.

Yes, build it and they will come...

Here's the bobbins:
http://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/Ind-Bobbins.html
(ICF) 134-01-RN (1 inch square center, 1.5 inch long)


And the core once all the laminents are assembled:


Great little starter project for someone interested in seeing if a BiTT can actually work.

Quote from Dog-One on April 2nd, 2013, 08:58 AM

Yes, build it and they will come...

Here's the bobbins:
http://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/Ind-Bobbins.html
(ICF) 134-01-RN (1 inch square center, 1.5 inch long)


And the core once all the laminents are assembled:


Great little starter project for someone interested in seeing if a BiTT can actually work.

Quote

Yes, build it and they will come...

Just make sure the people that come are not the ones that wrecked my hard drive, corrupted my bias and stole my password on my email. Seems I have upset someone.
Dog-one, I am going to build my own ferrite cores using black ferrite powder which I have sourced, mixed with epoxy where I can control the reluctance ratio for the primary to secondaries and 1st secondary to 2nd secondary. One suggestion is a 10:1 ratio in favour of low reluctance over high reluctance.

Quote from nav2 on April 2nd, 2013, 09:39 AM

Just make sure the people that come are not the ones that wrecked my hard drive, corrupted my bias and stole my password on my email. Seems I have upset someone.

Let us hope you were hacked strictly because of this work--that means we are over the target and may well get good results.  Myself, I have lost any fear I once had over The Powers That Be.  They have had their free energy for years; I want mine.  I just want my itty-bitty.  They owe me that much; if for nothing else, just the taxes I paid this year.  So they can play their game; I'll play mine.

Quote from nav2 on April 2nd, 2013, 09:39 AM

Dog-one, I am going to build my own ferrite cores using black ferrite powder which I have sourced, mixed with epoxy where I can control the reluctance ratio for the primary to secondaries and 1st secondary to 2nd secondary. One suggestion is a 10:1 ratio in favour of low reluctance over high reluctance.

That is a great idea.  If you wouldn't mind posting the details for your supplies, I for one will CNC a mold, mix up some core material and pour me a core.  I'm very anxious to put this whole BiTT idea to the test.

If others here on this forum haven't been following J.L. Naudin's work, it is advisable to have a look at his latest test:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm

Apparently, the delayed Lenz effect is controllable by distance from the source of the magnetic field.  As Jean demonstrates, you can set the phase angle to anything you want just with displacement.  I'm still not entirely sure how to incorporate this information into a working BiTT, so I have written Jean for some advice.  What this means is that ANY transformer is capable of changing the phase angle just by the relative location of the coil windings.  The next trick is to figure out what phase angle you need and adjust accordingly.  This would be applicable to the VIC that some are using to power a WFC.

Quote from Dog-One on April 2nd, 2013, 09:40 PM

If others here on this forum haven't been following J.L. Naudin's work, it is advisable to have a look at his latest test:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm

Apparently, the delayed Lenz effect is controllable by distance from the source of the magnetic field.  As Jean demonstrates, you can set the phase angle to anything you want just with displacement.  I'm still not entirely sure how to incorporate this information into a working BiTT, so I have written Jean for some advice.  What this means is that ANY transformer is capable of changing the phase angle just by the relative location of the coil windings.  The next trick is to figure out what phase angle you need and adjust accordingly.  This would be applicable to the VIC that some are using to power a WFC.

Got my account working again, thanks admin. Yes that's interesting, the distance from primary to secondaries seems applicable because of the shorter path scenario but that may not be enough unless we make sure one has high reluctance that is a path of much higher resistance than the low reluctance path.
Maybe a combination of both is the answer. I know one method that doesn't work and that is to put cuts or nicks in the core between the primary and secondary which is like a flux choke. All that happens there is that you cut the path off BOTH ways and you end up with a choke of the voltage to the secondary.

Quote from Dog-One on April 2nd, 2013, 09:40 PM

If others here on this forum haven't been following J.L. Naudin's work, it is advisable to have a look at his latest test:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm

Apparently, the delayed Lenz effect is controllable by distance from the source of the magnetic field.  As Jean demonstrates, you can set the phase angle to anything you want just with displacement.  I'm still not entirely sure how to incorporate this information into a working BiTT, so I have written Jean for some advice.  What this means is that ANY transformer is capable of changing the phase angle just by the relative location of the coil windings.  The next trick is to figure out what phase angle you need and adjust accordingly.  This would be applicable to the VIC that some are using to power a WFC.

I watched a video of Naudim, and the coil he wore was a pancake bifilar (as secondary), apparently the primary was inside a box (by coupling air).

Quote from Faisca on April 3rd, 2013, 04:56 PM

Quote from Dog-One on April 2nd, 2013, 09:40 PM

If others here on this forum haven't been following J.L. Naudin's work, it is advisable to have a look at his latest test:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm

Apparently, the delayed Lenz effect is controllable by distance from the source of the magnetic field.  As Jean demonstrates, you can set the phase angle to anything you want just with displacement.  I'm still not entirely sure how to incorporate this information into a working BiTT, so I have written Jean for some advice.  What this means is that ANY transformer is capable of changing the phase angle just by the relative location of the coil windings.  The next trick is to figure out what phase angle you need and adjust accordingly.  This would be applicable to the VIC that some are using to power a WFC.

I watched a video of Naudim, and the coil he wore was a pancake bifilar (as secondary), apparently the primary was inside a box (by coupling air).

Interesting, I was watching a video the other day where they have calculated the EXACT voltage needed to separate water on each of the atoms of H and O. The H was 0.82v+ and the O was 0.41v-.
A total of 1.23v in conventional electrolysis. Is any higher voltage applied just a waste of energy? Perhaps it is not a step up transformer that is needed but a step down transformer from 12v to 1.2v?

Quote from nav on April 6th, 2013, 01:18 AM

Interesting, I was watching a video the other day where they have calculated the EXACT voltage needed to separate water on each of the atoms of H and O. The H was 0.82v+ and the O was 0.41v-.
A total of 1.23v in conventional electrolysis. Is any higher voltage applied just a waste of energy? Perhaps it is not a step up transformer that is needed but a step down transformer from 12v to 1.2v?

My experience is, that high DC voltage heats up the water very quickly. But also lowers the resistance of the water between the tubes/plates.

Yes, it makes sense -for electrolyses- to lower the voltage near the 1.23V.
I thought about a transfo like the  joule thief is. The voltage on the "secondary" takes on the amount of minimum voltage which is needed for forward breakthrough of the LED. Instead of a LED we can place a WFC for electrolyses. Maybe the voltage is regulated to this minimum forward voltage of electrolyses so we can lower the losses to a minimum.

 Wow Well done on posting this thread, very advanced real thinking here,
:angel::):idea:
 I have invited JN Lab to comment.

He may just do so lets see. . I really hope he try's this in his lab.
in line with his current progress.

For all members
+ Senior members  "Toroid freaks"

I invite you to explain here the  
VIC the +/_ you have had and if in fact You all agree with this advanced thread.

Lets Try it and see and post a result here ,  time to  detail basic components and  vics performances here, very interesting.

Attached you will find the slides, for your thought on what this thread is saying.

VERY important point was about lower resistive loads at lower voltage.

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Join this with gating knowledge and
hz knowledge and it seams advanced and simplified
++ the new adruino trails

lets summary it in to suggested setup and get on it , other can pick it up fast if we
start to summary these things more so many can start

Please think and post carefully .
so it == focused advance here.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE05en.htm

PATENT FOR THE BI TOROID
Original document: CA2594905  (A1) ― 2009-01-18


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 also for reference

regen motor patent
Original document: WO2008067649  (A2) ― 2008-06-12
http://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/ThaneCHeins/basic-physics-8524416/1

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HI DO YOU HAVE A LINK FOR THAT VIDEO PLEASE.......

SOUND VERY INTERESTING

DAN

Quote from nav on April 6th, 2013, 01:18 AM

Quote from Faisca on April 3rd, 2013, 04:56 PM

Quote from Dog-One on April 2nd, 2013, 09:40 PM

If others here on this forum haven't been following J.L. Naudin's work, it is advisable to have a look at his latest test:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm

Apparently, the delayed Lenz effect is controllable by distance from the source of the magnetic field.  As Jean demonstrates, you can set the phase angle to anything you want just with displacement.  I'm still not entirely sure how to incorporate this information into a working BiTT, so I have written Jean for some advice.  What this means is that ANY transformer is capable of changing the phase angle just by the relative location of the coil windings.  The next trick is to figure out what phase angle you need and adjust accordingly.  This would be applicable to the VIC that some are using to power a WFC.

I watched a video of Naudim, and the coil he wore was a pancake bifilar (as secondary), apparently the primary was inside a box (by coupling air).


sPECIAL INTEREST
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf

Russ & others  comment
Check Pages 3-18 TO 3-20
and last Page

Interesting, I was watching a video the other day where they have calculated the EXACT voltage needed to separate water on each of the atoms of H and O. The H was 0.82v+ and the O was 0.41v-.
A total of 1.23v in conventional electrolysis. Is any higher voltage applied just a waste of energy? Perhaps it is not a step up transformer that is needed but a step down transformer from 12v to 1.2v?

Attached is the MEG pic

from Tom Beardon very interest that we are close to same tach convergence and understanding here,

Link

the final secret of free energy .tom bearden PDF
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?cpf34hl722eg9bn

also here
click folder  SAVE!!!!!!

http://www.mediafire.com/?b4qpc3ag3r3jf#itj2dll96tzy2

While working on this, I think it would be useful to keep in the back of your mind the concepts of Edward Leedskalnin's magnet current.  Visit this site and refresh yourself:
http://leedskalnin.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uurpts6ZFmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4sOR66VIpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO3dXCsyBC4

There is a connection here, I'm certain of it.  A transformer IS a perpetual motion holder (PMH) and a BiTT (also known as a magnetic diode) is a specialized version of the same thing that locks the delayed Lenz Effect, keeping voltage and current 90 degrees out of phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_zgR5fyF30

The piece we need to come to a better understanding is electrolysis.  If, as Ed states, there is no such thing as electrons and instead current is composed of spiraling North and South pole magnets, then how do these magnets create the effect we recognize as electrolysis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTEX38bQ-2w

So what do we know?

Anode = Oxygen = Positive = North Pole Magnet
Cathode = Hydrogen = Negative = South Pole Magnet

So somehow the rapidly spinning, forward moving magnets tear loose the elemental composition of water.  How are they doing that?  Is it some sort of centrifugal force being applied to the molecule?

Consider the PMH, if those magnets loop around forever, can we not use them to split water without providing any additional power?

We get this figured out and we can jump well beyond what Stan Meyer did.