Quote from Dog-One on April 26th, 2013, 07:47 AM

While working on this, I think it would be useful to keep in the back of your mind the concepts of Edward Leedskalnin's magnet current.  Visit this site and refresh yourself:
http://leedskalnin.com/

There is a connection here, I'm certain of it.  A transformer IS a perpetual motion holder (PMH) and a BiTT (also known as a magnetic diode) is a specialized version of the same thing that locks the delayed Lenz Effect, keeping voltage and current 90 degrees out of phase.  The piece we need to come to a better understanding is electrolysis.  If, as Ed states, there is no such thing as electrons and instead current is composed of spiraling North and South pole magnets, then how do these magnets create the effect we recognize as electrolysis?  We get this figured out and we can jump well beyond what Stan Meyer did.

Thank you for stating it, we all sort have it in our minds any ways but it does help to have it stated clear, And best of all you right!!! we need to apply drawing to it even more showing magnetic flow in cell , and vic side by side knowledge is great!!!!!!!  

Lenz Free Transformer - Experiment Number 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euS3cq265HE

Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 10:17 PM

Lenz Free Transformer - Experiment Number 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euS3cq265HE

Lenz Free is probably the wrong term and certainly the wrong way to think of it.  I think the way JL Naudin describes it at Delayed Lenz Effect is much better.  Because thinking of it that way, you can then use the Lenz Effect to your advantage instead of trying to avoid it completely.

What that fellow describes in his video is the exact embodiment of Tom Bearden's Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG).  The concept is to create a magnetic transistor to allow and pinch off a magnetic field at the appropriate time.  A good idea but I like Naudin's approach much better.  I really like the BiTT if you haven't noticed.  ;)

Quote from Dog-One on April 26th, 2013, 10:46 PM

Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 10:17 PM

Lenz Free Transformer - Experiment Number 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euS3cq265HE

Lenz Free is probably the wrong term and certainly the wrong way to think of it.  I think the way JL Naudin describes it at Delayed Lenz Effect is much better.  Because thinking of it that way, you can then use the Lenz Effect to your advantage instead of trying to avoid it completely.

What that fellow describes in his video is the exact embodiment of Tom Bearden's Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG).  The concept is to create a magnetic transistor to allow and pinch off a magnetic field at the appropriate time.  A good idea but I like Naudin's approa

ch much better.  I really like the BiTT if you haven't noticed.  ;)

Yes ok I will leave that here for now as it is making
thought happen to many different individuals,

thread is about bi toroid

if we are pinching of Magnetic feild , like beardon
 lets say Air/gas feild flux Magnetics  ,

is that not very similar to pinching electons off water, to destablize it,
by fluxing magnetics of electrodes.

We need to work on what more now

and learn more you like said true how magnetic flows like ed described in wfc,

and do a  harmonics map of the hz ranges we have repeated
the waves effect on water,


Cymatics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

VEry interesting read here

at 11-04-2011, 02:42 PM

http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9656-electric-field-magnet-2.html

I have seen threads about the bi-toroid transformer, patent applications etc..
I am not a tech savvy individual but I am interested in investing in early stage tech like the BiTT (bi toroid transformer).

The BiTT is said to harvest back EMF and create extra energy.
My question is what could this be potentially used for?

Can  anyone suggest possible applications and inventions which it will be used in?

For example, can someone invent a block heater or car warmer which runs off the car battery and automatically
switches on three hours before morning , and uses the BiTT to prevent draining the battery?
Will someone please answer this question?
Is that even feasible

wouldn't it be nice to have a car which would run in winter and park anywhere without needing to be plugged in?
?   

what could the BiTT be used for, if it is supposedly so good? Could it at least be used to reduce the hyrdro bill cost
of plugging in a car all winter?

double post

Quote from Over Goat on December 10th, 2014, 04:00 AM

wouldn't it be nice to have a car which would run in Minnesota or Chicago  winter and park anywhere without needing to be plugged in?

Yes.

Quote from Over Goat on December 10th, 2014, 03:43 AM

I have seen threads about the bi-toroid transformer, patent applications etc..
I am not a tech savvy individual but I am interested in investing in early stage tech like the BiTT (bi toroid transformer).
...

Good idea, please post your results :-)

I joined this forum mainly out of trying to find some insight into the BiTT and
its potential applications. It was one of the few places online which I had found
a relatively recent discussion on the BiTT. I noticed while registering that that there
does not appear to be a lot of recent activity here, not a lot of posting going on.


When I tried to reply to this thread I was warned by the board software that
it was an old topic and that  I should consider starting  a new thread if I wanted
to spur more active discussion. So I posted my reply here also as a new topic
in the Open-Source Threads - POST ANYTHING RELATED! section, just in case
no one would spot it in this thread.

I have returned a couple of hours later to find my thread deleted and two
answers. One appears to be sarcastic, and the other...not sure.




beginning to understand

Quote from Gunther Rattay on December 10th, 2014, 06:26 AM

Good idea, please post your results :-)

the text which you quoted and replied to is about investing in early stage BiTT technology.
Did you mean that my idea for a BiTT-powered engine block heater is a good idea, or
did you mean that investing in the BiTT development is a good idea?

If you think that a BiTT-powered car engine-block heater run off the battery is a good idea... does that mean
that you think it even possible or feasible to do it? do you think the BiTT is capable of it?

there are so many new and unknown effects to be explored. some of us have set up some kind of experiment to dig into the subject. others prefer to talk about a subject.

talking and brainstorming is a first step, a 2nd step is experimenting and observing. AFAIK noone has posted own results according to your subject here. so why not start your own activity?

experimenting and creating results that way is much more beneficial than exchanging opinions about a technical subject.and it´s a great learning experience.

just my 2 cents.


According to the subject of this thread "Meyer´s VIC, it´s a Bi-Torodial transfomer" I´m quite sure that his transformer wasn´t Bi-torodial.

Why? The size doesn´t fit to the cases Meyer used.

Quote from Over Goat on December 10th, 2014, 03:43 AM

..
I am not a tech savvy individual but I am interested in investing in early stage tech like the BiTT (bi toroid transformer).

...

Do you mean to invest money for others´ activities into that technology? maybe i missed something.

but if you think about money investment I would suggest not to invest into a technology without some in depth understanding of that technology´s potential ...

kdkinen did a video where he ran four 12 volt light bulbs on 1/10 amps, using a bi-toroid transformer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivm8aaQu00w#ws

a 1000 watt automobile engine block heater would possibly need about 1200 watts from the battery to run efficiently in severe cold.

so  is there any chance this would work for ten hours on 250Ah battery, using the bi toroid transformer?

I personally haven't seen anything functional on the scale you are referring to.

I have also found it quite difficult to acquire electrical grade silicon steel in the quantities necessary for effective prototyping.  Though this material would be bulky, heavy and expensive, it still appears to be the best solution for higher power requirements.  Now if some outfit will do a prototype run with ferrite cores, it's possible these limitations can be overcome using higher frequencies.

If one wanted to throw some money at this, it's quite possible it could all turn out to be a bottomless pit unless you can really assemble a team of scientists and engineers willing to go all the way for you.  Like many things, I think this technology is just out of reach for the garage experimenters.  And I'm sure Big Brother will do whatever is necessary to keep it that way.

Quote from Over Goat on December 10th, 2014, 07:14 AM

I joined this forum mainly out of trying to find some insight into the BiTT and
its potential applications. It was one of the few places online which I had found
a relatively recent discussion on the BiTT. I noticed while registering that that there
does not appear to be a lot of recent activity here, not a lot of posting going on.


When I tried to reply to this thread I was warned by the board software that
it was an old topic and that  I should consider starting  a new thread if I wanted
to spur more active discussion. So I posted my reply here also as a new topic
in the Open-Source Threads - POST ANYTHING RELATED! section, just in case
no one would spot it in this thread.

I have returned a couple of hours later to find my thread deleted and two
answers. One appears to be sarcastic, and the other...not sure.




beginning to understand

I was the one who merged your posts into this one thread, simply because there's no need to fill the forum with multiple posts about the same thing.

This is standard moderating stuff, nothing more.

With regards to what you have for my answer being being a sarcastic one it was simply a reply to your equally, in my opinion anyway, sarcastic question about if it was possible to use BiTT to power Christmas lights, which you by the way have edited out I see.

Regardless, welcome to the forum Over Goat.

Quote from Matt Watts on December 10th, 2014, 11:05 AM

I personally haven't seen anything functional on the scale you are referring to.

I have also found it quite difficult to acquire electrical grade silicon steel in the quantities necessary for effective prototyping.  Though this material would be bulky, heavy and expensive, it still appears to be the best solution for higher power requirements.  Now if some outfit will do a prototype run with ferrite cores, it's possible these limitations can be overcome using higher frequencies.

thank you,
so the BiTT is promising but it is not far enough along in development to have any immediate applications to power
saving.

Quote from Lynx on December 10th, 2014, 01:26 PM

I was the one who merged your posts into this one thread, simply because there's no need to fill the forum with multiple posts about the same thing.

This is standard moderating stuff, nothing more.

With regards to what you have for my answer being being a sarcastic one it was simply a reply to your equally, in my opinion anyway, sarcastic question about if it was possible to use BiTT to power Christmas lights, which you by the way have edited out I see.

Regardless, welcome to the forum Over Goat.

thank you  and thank you for helping provide this forum.

(I deleted the reference to christmas lights because I felt that it was an unnecessary distraction from the other idea which I put forth, of trying to develop a bi-toroid engine-block heater)

The idea of using a bi-toroid transformer for energy-saving Christmas lights was actually
a serious example of trying to  find ways to apply a low-power bi-toroid circuit to something useful
which would have immediate appeal.
I was not sure if even that was a feasible project  at this point of development for the Bi Toroid.
Many have seen videos where the Bi Toroid seemingly lights a set of bulbs with no additional input
energy from the battery. For those who are not adept at understanding electrical engineering terms and technology, their natural questions from there , of course, could be

"So why isn't anyone selling this? Why isn't there a bi toroid set of bulbs which use ultra low  power available on Ebay?  Is it in development? How far along in development is it? What needs to be done to get there?"


To people skilled in understanding electrical engineering technology and terminology , many or most of the answers to such questions might seem self-evident after hving watched just one demonstration video of the BiTT. To those who do not  understand the videos and do not understand the terms of reference, there's nothing there in plain English to describe what is happening.

Because of the language barrier, there is a disconnect between inventors/innovators/independent research specialists and between  the general public who may be inclined to lend support in research or finances.

All indications so far, are that the bi toroid transformer works, and is close to having practical applications
to solving everyday problems.  The intriguing question is of course, how close we are to a breakthrough,
and how can people get involved to help make it happen.

As far as Christmas lights go, I think your return on investment on BiTT components would not offset the cost of electricity savings on your monthly bill.  Especially since it is a seasonal electrical device.  Providing whole house lighting on the other hand, there might be something to say about that...

Quote from firepinto on December 11th, 2014, 08:42 AM

As far as Christmas lights go, I think your return on investment on BiTT components would not offset the cost of electricity savings on your monthly bill.  Especially since it is a seasonal electrical device.  Providing whole house lighting on the other hand, there might be something to say about that...

That would be an ideal application or use for an expensive component like a BITT, yes.

My thought was that mass-manufacturing a small component might  reduce the costs of producing something like low-energy  lighting  sets
enough to make them affordable or feasible.
My thought also was that maybe focusing on a smaller goal would be more immediately within reach.
Manufacturers in India were reportedly close to designing a scaled-down version of the BiTT, which led me to believe
that a smaller  BiTT and large volume might reduce costs.