Re: idea's
« Reply #100,  »
I've got a 500pF variable air capacitor.
what if I submerge it into oil with a high dielectric constant?
the capacitance should rise. making it a 1 or maybe 2 or 3 nF variable capacitor.
Re: idea's
« Reply #101,  »
rough sketch needs more details...

left: joulethief gets dc and charges capacitor A. (and keeps running)

capacitor A is discharged by IGBT (20 duty) into coil 1. diode is closed.

igbt opens: cap A charged by joulethief.

coil 1 b emf opens diode, pulses resonant ringing cap B and coil 2.
coil 1 dielectric collapse assists magnetic rise (southpole) of coil B.

coil 1 and 2 should be closely connected.
coil 1 has added ferrite on left side to increase inductance.

coil 2 and cap B keep ringing. (diode is? if problem, than switch)
ferrite between coil 2 and 3 to link magnetic fields.

coil 3 is output tuned with cap c. rectified into cap bank D provided with load.

needs more work

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Matt Watts

Re: idea's
« Reply #102,  »
I've been struggling with this same concept for days now.  Can't figure out how to connect carc electrically since it is already connected magnetically.  It can't be that difficult.  I need another set of untainted eyes to look at it and tell me something I'm missing.


Re: idea's
« Reply #103,  »
Quote from Matt Watts on July 18th, 2017, 05:59 PM
I've been struggling with this same concept for days now.  Can't figure out how to connect carc electrically since it is already connected magnetically.  It can't be that difficult.  I need another set of untainted eyes to look at it and tell me something I'm missing.
try try try keep trying
Re: idea's
« Reply #104,  »
I've got 22 good caps. but need 3 tuned coils. gonna try 3x 7 caps.
maybe this gives less voltage. due to lower tuning.

i want 2 parallel output coils out of phase to create maximum voltage, and see if i can load it to keep the voltage down.
Re: idea's
« Reply #105,  »
can we see a bifilar coil as a series connected coil-capacitor-coil?

than if we add a capacitor in parallel to the coil, is it better to use 2 caps? one for each winding?

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Re: idea's
« Reply #106,  »
I use a 12v 1 A powersupply with my igbt pulse driver.
it creates 90V pulses frim a 2200uf capacitor discharge into the primary.
resulting in a resonant sine wave in the secondary bifilar coil of 450V pp

to tune down i need high voltage caps.
the voltage rise is doubled at a certain capacity/frequency. this high voltage requires even higher spec capacitors (wima mkt10 1000v ac) ar a series connected cap.

or... I use a lower voltage/current capacitor discharge into the primary.
this way I can research easier and safer due to the lower voltage rise.

I tried to use my regulated power supply before but it didnt work. maybe it was due to grounding problems. I will try again with positive connected to ground as that seemed to fix my problems before.
(i still think its very odd to have to ground positive instead of negative)
closed looped bucking coil
« Reply #107,  »
woke up last night to my neighbors having "fun" :blank:

had a thought:
can we strip away a magnetic field, en leave its dielectric component in a toroid coil, if we wrap a bucking torroid around it and close the loop on it self?
like a single piece of wire, closed looped, one half clockwise and the other half counter clockwise (bucking).

Steinmetz and Dollard said in a closed loop the magnetic field doesnt need energy to keep existing.

would this cancel the magnetic component out?  and leave the dielectric?

if so (speculation)
could we then use capacitors, to change the phase shift of the dielectric to line up with the bemf if a motor? making the motor work on displacement currents of the dielectric fields?
discharge with relais
« Reply #108,  »
i can charge a cap to high voltage with resonant oit of phase bifilar coils.

could I disconnect the caps from the resonant circuit with a relais and discharge them(partly) into a step down tranformer?

pulsing the transformer with the cap diacharge and using the lower voltage higher current to charge a battery again?

when i switch back the cap to the resonant coil, will it keep resonating, only clip if the top?

still the resonant coil would need more power. it needs current.
using b emf from bifilar
« Reply #109,  »
im pulsing a bifilar primary by discharging a capacitor in it, charging its magnetic field with its mmf, and using the b emf pulse
to get the secondary bifilar in resonance.

but the bemf energy can also be stored into  another capacitor via a diode.
or.. the bemf can be straight redirected via a diode into another bifilar coil on the other side of the resonant center coil (3 coil stack).

this time the b emf charges the dielectric field of the bifilar coil(because its bemf from the coil, and not bmmf from a cap)

with each pulse we give the energy is used double. from cap to coil to coil.
the dielectric charged bifilar can also again charge the first capacitor. making the circle complete.
capacitor bmmf into coil magnetic field, coil bemf into 2nd coil making dielectric field.
bmmf of 2nd coil into capacitor.
 this all happens within one pulse.
a fast diode is needed.

at the same time the center coil is pulsed from both sides. gaining resonance.

if the resonant coil is tuned right to its maximum voltage rise (by adding the right size cap in parallel) the magnetic field is a ring toroid around the coil, being spun up from both sides from the b emf amd b mmf of both coils magnetic and dielectric fields.

1 close switch:magnetise coil nr1 from capacitor. diode is blocking
2 open switch diode opens passing b emf from coil nr1 to coil nr 2. charging its dielectric field from bemf. (rotation spinning action)
3 bemf from coil nr 1 is transformed in to b mmf in coil nr2 (dielectric field cant be stored in coil so collapses again)
4 b emf from collapsing coil nr2 is fed to 1 plate of the capacitor again through a blocking diode that opens from the bemf.

5 process is restarted with 1.

6 center coil is put into resonance. can be tapped into with diode rectifier into large capacitor

one switch 2 fast diodes a capacitor 3 bifilar pancake coils.

Re: idea's
« Reply #110,  »
the second coil to be able to handle the bmmf should be tuned down with a parallel capacitor.

the center resonant coil should also be tuned by a parallel capacitor

Im bad with diode directions... could ve mistaken. the inter diode of the igbt is placed over the switch. not good. but the bemf should be able te be redirected into the second coil

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Re: idea's
« Reply #111,  »
due to the way i made my primary coil the second coil should be 2 coils in series(or parallel...
one on each side of the center resonant coil

Matt Watts

Re: idea's
« Reply #112,  »
Curious Evo, your schematic looks like you have a feedback loop.  What I'm interested in is if the feedback, being back EMF (cold electricity), tries to fight the forward EMF (hot electricity) from the DC power source.  Or do the two EMFs seem to coexist peacefully together?

I was under the impression from other people's work, like Ruslan & Akula, that you had to feed the back EMF through a universal power supply in order to get hot electricity that you could then drive the whole the system with.  Same as I suspect Nelson was working on in this video.  Also recall Nelson's first Radiant Box, actually two boxes--I think one of them is more of a power conditioner, cold to hot electricity.


Re: idea's
« Reply #113,  »
Quote from Matt Watts on July 23rd, 2017, 04:33 PM
Curious Evo, your schematic looks like you have a feedback loop.  What I'm interested in is if the feedback, being back EMF (cold electricity), tries to fight the forward EMF (hot electricity) from the DC power source.  Or do the two EMFs seem to coexist peacefully together?

I was under the impression from other people's work, like Ruslan & Akula, that you had to feed the back EMF through a universal power supply in order to get hot electricity that you could then drive the whole the system with.  Same as I suspect Nelson was working on in this video.  Also recall Nelson's first Radiant Box, actually two boxes--I think one of them is more of a power conditioner, cold to hot electricity.
I really dont know. miggt be true you need to recondition it.

what I have seen is i can charge a capacitor or battery with the rectified sine wave.

but when i charged the battery which ran the igbt with a feed back loop it did kept it voltage stable (cop0.999) but i could see the resonant sine al over the system.
I got a bit scared because the igbt circuit works on maximum 30v and the pulse generator at 5V. still it worked fine. with the resonant high frequency sine (or was it rectified could not really see or remember) all over the place. every where i probed i saw it.

same with the diodes. they do rectify, but at the same time its asof the resonant sine passes over the diode (outside).

i tried several diodes in series an parallel, but one diode always was best. gave the most voltage in the cap.

but that was a resonant sine wave.
this idea works with impulse back emf/mmf
the cold and hot (both burn my skin) come together in the cap, as long as the right polarity is there and one side is grounded it should be good. or else another diode between the cap and dc power supply
Re: idea's
« Reply #114,  »
i just realised when i tried to self run from a 12v battery putting a secondary bifilar into resonance, rectify it back into the battery,
and it kept is charge

it did not recollect the b emf if the primary

and now with this new idea of the back emf into the cap... i forgot the resonant coil.

possibilities... what would reality think of my idea?
resonant energy transfer
« Reply #115,  »
with a high voltage resonant sine from a bifilar coil, i can charge a capacitor to high voltage. the question then is, how to get it out.

the cap can partly discharge by being disconnected from the resonant circuit and connected to another capacitor.

but the transfer from cap to cap is only ideal when a coil is used for the tranfer of energy. again a diode is used for the one way direction of energy.

once the cap has reached a certain charge(voltage) it can be loaded.

its about disconnecting the load from the resonant circuit.

to do this properly timing is of the essence.
the resonant voltage is clipped of when charging the first capacitor.
the charge and discharge time of this capacitor must be set to the ideal point.

ideal meaning: the resonant sine has maximum charge power (if it is clipped of to low the ppwer drops) at the same time the voltage charge in the capacitor should not be maximum, because of the time constant.
when the cap is almost full the voltage rise slows down alot. so here alse is an ideal point.

this is good, because now the maximum voltage will never be reached (and we can use cheaper component that can handle the lower voltage).

the voltage on the second capacitor (bank) can be much lower, to get a proper transfer of energy. at the same time it can have a very large capacitance.

this charging and discharging of the capacitor is essential but maybe im running to far ahead of myself.
In the end it should work with sensors to make it automatic. but first....

dinner :excited:
dielectric transformer
« Reply #116,  »Last edited
we know magnetic transformers all to well
coupled by magnetic flux via a core.

what about dielectric transformers?

I use 22 capacitors in series to tune down the resonant frequency of a bifilar coil, and the can handle high voltage

what if i alternate these capacitors with 21 series capacitors. not wired together.


A being a series connected set
B being a series connected set

A and B coupled by the dielectric field lines

since A is a resonant tuned system the field is also measured outside, so B should see it.

this whould need to be a high voltage resonant sine. and maybe the capacitor should be made with 4 layers.
this could be made with aluminim foil to see if this works.

this is in line with Townsend thomas brown,
who used high voltage capacitors to produce propulsion.

the capacitor stack could also be a stack of bifilar pancake coils, as they have the strong dielectric field (bifilar pancake as capacitor)
alternating bemf pulses
« Reply #117,  »
I've been looking for a way to make these pulses, this video might do the trick.
just hav to make it solid state with a 1:1 toroid
reusing b emf
« Reply #118,  »
how long can we keep re-using back emf from a high inductance coil?

so far what i have seen is storing the b emf in a capacitor but then the energy is stuck in time.

can we keep it flowing?

the bifilar coil has high capacitance due to its windings. so we can partly see it as a capacitor. it only doesnt store the energy in time like a capacitor would.
but it does ring at its resonant frequency, if the conditions are right.

but what are these conditions?
normally a coil rings best when it is free from loads (like a bell ringing free in the air, hanging only from the top where the resonance isnt acting).
the bell stops ringing fast when its vibrating parts are fixated by wooden blocks.

the same for a b emf pulsed bifilar coil.
if w pulse the b emf into a capacitor, that is part of the resonant system of a bifilar coil, we can make it ring.

but then it seems to be done with the energy, or should we discharge this ringing coil again by opening its windings?

keep letting the energy going back and forth between the 2 coils.

in the meantime in between there is a free resonant coil than can  be tapped into..

pfff i dont know... ill have to see how for this would work.

does a resonant bifilar coil ring longer, when one side is conneced to earth via series connected capacitor?

Matt Watts

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« Reply #119,  »Last edited
The only thing I'm certain of is we must achieve parametric oscillation.

The ringing (radiant) energy has to be somehow collected and sent immediately back to the hammer, so the next thump is more powerful than the previous.
Quote from Nelson Rocha
No, I do not charge caps with the output, but I discharge caps to have output :) but that caps first need to be full  :)  is the reason to I say that systems have more that one stage and should not be understood like just one process, but a combination of several process.

Yes, I use nano-pulses but made by own design; their action is to create a heavy unipolar pulse that make a very sharp pulse in a coil in a combination of series/parallel resonance. That effect is managed by a parametric oscillator that regulate how stronger is the pulses applied to a coil and the frequency used.  The pulses will increase in their intensity after some seconds system start working and charges start be collected in other stage of circuit, make pulses going stronger and stronger, oscillation after oscillation.

Hope my answers could help you about your doubts.
We can be pretty sure the series/parallel resonance he is talking about is the CARC--concept pretty much encapsulated within a bifilar pancake coil.

The way I think of this is we have a power source connected across a filter/storage cap that is charged to provide us the initial thump to get things started.  In series with this first filter/storage cap is a second filter/storage cap, depleted at first, but later charged by the output we collect.  The nano-pulser takes its input from these two series filter/storage caps.  Initially, one of them is flat and acts only as a shunt until it becomes charged and begins to augment the total input power to the nano-pulser.

The ringing (radiant energy) caused from the nano-pulser we pass through the CARC to double its potential.  The collector coil(s) picks this up where it is rectified and placed in the second filter/storage capacitor.  This second filter/storage capacitor begins to charge adding up potential from the first filter/storage capacitor, which increases the potential the nano-pulser can draw from.  Therefore each pulse from the nano-pulser increases in intensity, causing larger and larger ringing (more & more radiant energy), magnified by the CARC, collected and recycled back.

At some point we need protection/regulation for the second filter/storage capacitor, without it, the system will enter into a runaway condition and self-destruct.  I suspect a simple resistor or spark gap would be sufficient to keep this second filter/storage cap from charging above a certain potential.  We can also alter the interval of the nano-pulser as the voltage input climbs to regulate the system--this is essentially how switching power supplies work to achieve output voltage regulation.  We have two variables here we can adjust:  The pulse width and the duration between pulses.  Both of these parameters will control how much radiant energy is received by the collector coil(s).

When analyzed carefully, I really don't see a great deal of complexity in Nelson's system.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.  The question is:  Can we follow this design and make it work?


Re: idea's
« Reply #120,  »
its still a lot of guessing Matt.
The idea's are good, but I don't even have a nano pulser that can create kV pulses to start.

It's good inspiration, but I'll take it step by step. Nelson is way ahead of me, I need to stay on my own path.
experiment after experiment.

protecting the caps from over voltage with a safety sparkgap seems a good idea. resistors kill the resonance.

Matt Watts

Re: idea's
« Reply #121,  »
Nelson is way ahead of both of us then.

I tried following the design I outlined above--no joy.  The power supply current is two orders of magnitude greater than the current I recycle back.  Second capacitor never fills.  No chance of parametric oscillation going that route.

Looking at the information we have to go on, it's apparent we must use one of the pancake coils to make a powerful magnetic field while at the same time collect the back EMF from it.  The second pancake coil then gets hit with two source of energy, magnetic from the first coil and dielectric from the collected back EMF.  Controlling and synchronizing all this is going to be pretty difficult unless we find some trick we're not aware of.  And if that isn't tough enough, then we need that third output coil to be perfectly tuned.  The output coil must collect enough power to begin feeding some of it back to the source, else we will never achieve parametric oscillation.  From what I can see so far, the current we collect from the output coil has to exceed the current the power supply is pushing in.  It all becomes a little disconcerting since we know generating a powerful magnetic field is going to require lots of current.  Oh dear...


Re: idea's
« Reply #122,  »Last edited
i think its about powerfull back emf. not from a power consuming magnetic field but from a trick with the b emf that amplifies it into the kilo volt range. how?
i really dont know.

since we know so little of ring toroids,
I wonder how we can spin one up?

if the carc bifilar phi hole produces a rimg toroid, how does the field inter action look?
a back emf is a dielectric event, that might give the ring toroid a push that speeds it up.

and the output coil, if tuned proper, might still also speed up the ring toroid.

still lots to learn.

 eric dolard said something beautiful here at 8min50 sec.
ending with " neutralise inertia"

sorry for the typos in many of my posts. I work from my mobile and its not always the best way. but its direct. and i like that

Re: idea's
« Reply #123,  »
hold up wait!
i remeber we can step up b emf with a step up tranformer!

nelsons published circuit
the joulethief generating bemf,
that is being stepped up via the transformer. it gives a sine output,
but when rectified there was again that high voltage pulse
Re: idea's
« Reply #124,  »
this nice image i found in one of the many tesla books. you can read the tekst.

I find it very interesting to see the coils side by side (on the left)

this again reminds me of the telsa turbine patents.

The bifilar speaker wire side by side coils, have the dielectric field in between the windings.
when we stack multiple coils(parallel connected), the windings always have a voltage difference on both sides, so there is a dielectric field between all the windings.

the total inductance of the coils should drop due to the parallel connections. providing more and more dielectric field energy.

when tuning the phi ratio coil, i had to add 10nF to get maximum resonant voltage rise.
but what if i stacked some coils and patallel connected them. would i need less added parallel capacitance, due to the bigger capacitance to inductance ratio?

And if a ring toroid would form, i assume the stack would need to "fit" inside the ring toroid, or would it adjust?

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