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Title: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 12:18 PM
I've read these two related patents from tesla:
patent-1061142-fluid-propulsion(https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-1061142-fluid-propulsion)
patent-1061206-turbine(https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-1061206-turbine)

here is a video from someone who build it. the rotation speed jumps, very interesting.
tesla turbine rpm jump(https://youtu.be/mrnul6ixX90?t=3m26s)

In the patents, Tesla talks about water flow. I have been reading these patents, substituting words.
water=ether
velocity=frequency
plates=bifilar coils

It makes sense.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 01:59 PM
A quote from Nelson Rocha (copied from Matt Watts):

No, I do not charge caps with the output, but I discharge caps to have output :) but that caps first need to be full  :)  is the reason to I say that systems have more that one stage and should not be understood like just one process, but a combination of several process.

Yes, I use nano pulses but made by own design; their action is to create a heavy unipolar pulse that make a very sharp pulse in a coil in a combination of series/parallel resonance. That effect is managed by a parametric oscilator that regulate how stronger is the pulses applyed to a coil and the frequency used.  The pulses will increase in their intensity after some seconds system start working and charges start be collected in other stage of circuit, make pulses going stronger and stronger, oscillation after oscillation.

Hope my answers could help you about your doubts


this brings me to think the joule thief pulser, can be used to discharge a capacitor into a step up transformer.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 03:56 PM
I now use bifilar coils to pulse the central coils. but is this really needed? I could also wrap 2 windings around the outer edge of the resonant coil, and pulse it. Like Tesla showed in his patents. much easier.

but, I think i wil need the pulse to go through a bifilar coil. because it sets the ether flow in motion. the vortexes must move through the resonant coils in the center. I'm not sure about this.

There must be 3 fields. one and two are transverse, electro magnetic , and the 3rd is longitudinal. this third wave... moving like sound pressure waves. this is where the energy resides.
Title: resonant pulses
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 01:13 AM
resonant frequency standing waves.

I play a lot of instruments, and they all produce standing waves at their resonant frequency.

and how? by giving it a pulse.

the piano hammer hitting the snare.
the drumstick hitting the snaredrum
the guitar pick hitting the snare
the metal bell
the triangle
etc etc etc

therefor to let the bifilar pancake coil ring we need pulses. short duration energetic high voltage pulses.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 01:24 AM
if the 3 fields are all at 90 degrees related to each other. the 3rd field Longitudinal would point out of the coil straight up and down from the surface. bigger area better beam.

at the same time it rotates. producing a vortex.

that vortex needs a center hole, to spin freely.
radius of the hole, is one
radius of the hole plus windings is phi*phi
for perfect balance.
(phi*phi) - 1=phi
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 03:39 AM
5 stacked coils
nr 2 and 4 pulsed
1 3 and 5 resonant
nr 5 and 1 (top bottom) positive negative
nr 3 (center) neutral (center tap bridge to ground)  for 5 and 1
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 12:34 PM
bifilar inner hole ratio to winding surface area, based on the pentagram PHI geometry
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 01:10 PM
An idea for the step up pulse tranformer, based on a bifilar primary with few windings, and a unifilar secondary with many windings (and impedance matching)

dont know. about this, feels better to have the windings on top of eachother...
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 01:12 PM
maybe use foil for the primary
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Diadon on May 6th, 2017, 05:52 PM
Find a slip on ferrite bead they use for HF chokes. You might have a problem of hysteresis and core saturation, so you will want to find a resonant frequency appropriate to you ferrite material. Just depends on how you are planning on engineering your circuit of course. You can find chokes like that with many sensitive electronics like cameras, monitors/televisions, and basically anything with signal ICs. Here are some examples http://palomar-engineers.com/ferrite-products/ferrite-beads

Keep on exploring.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 11:44 PM
ferrite beads from chokes are a killer for high frequency. I need high frequency to get nearby the resonant frequency of the bifilar pancake coil. 

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 7th, 2017, 04:48 AM
@ diadon, I locked this section, I appreciate your input, but please do it in the comment section:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2953.0

This way I can keep my work organized.
Thanks!
Title: Infinite
Post by: evostars on May 10th, 2017, 03:11 PM
3 fields. transverse electro magnetic and longitudinal.

A point
A double helix (longitudinal rope)
A flat double spiral (dielectric planar)
a double toroid. (magnetic spacial)

all related, all balanced, all 90 degrees separated.
if we reduce one field, the other grows bigger.

By pulsing the Biflar tesla coil, we get a magnetic field cancelation, due to counter rotation.
The dielectric energy is still there, but not balanced between the windings. Minimum voltage difference between the windings appears at the center where the two windings connect. maximum at start and end.

minimum dielectric, combined with cancelled magnetic, gives rise to infinite longitudinal field (we need a name, is this the magneto dielectric?)





Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 10th, 2017, 03:47 PM
4 equal capacitors. 16 farad each max 3V each.
parallel: total: 64 farad 3V
series:  4 farad, 12V

Equal energy?  E=1/2 C (V*V)
parallel: E=1/2*64 (3*3)=288 joules
series:  E=1/2*4 (12*12)=288 joules
yes, equal energy.

charge time equal?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 11th, 2017, 07:52 AM
copied this from matt watts:
Quote from Nelson Rocha:

    The pancake stack act like a capacitive transformer  because is pulsed with a unipolar pulse , not with AC sinus wave, generate a short huge pulse provided by the capacitors tank . Nikola Tesla talk about that point is not clear their point ?
     Is like use a hammer (big hammer) and thump in a bell (coil) make it ring in the right way . I find during last months , that pancake coil have advantage in relation to solenoid  coil because their capacity properties , and their dielectric properties .
     
     I reach to my conclusions under my own interpretation and Work bench, but i will lie to you if i told you that is only that .


This:
a capacitive transformer. what I read: Pulse at resonant frequency, outputs a sine wave.
"that is only that" so, there is more happening.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 11th, 2017, 08:28 AM
my ideal setup would be
3 bifilar coils. stacked.

center coil pulsed with high voltage hairpin pulses (infinite small rise and fall time) from both ends of the coil but opposite polarities.

the pulse frequency and the resonant frequency of the top and bottom coils need to be equal (tuned)

HV pulses created by capacitor discharge.

no noticable magnetic field (counter rotation of the pos and neg pulses)

the resonant coils can hook up in a series closed loop.

 normally with a single pulse there is a magnetic field, and the loop cant be closed.it will kill the resonant voltage rise. but with the double pulse there is no magnetic field. and when the loop is closed the resonant voltage rise is still there!

than use rectifier diodes and the opposite phase signal to draw the voltage out. this time the resonant voltage rise isnt disturbed. (this last part isnt confirmed yet)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 13th, 2017, 02:42 AM
M@ inspired me to this setup , as a lmd Doallard setup
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 15th, 2017, 02:10 AM
I had 2 dreams this morning about the bifilar coil.
One about how the energy is scooped in from the outer edge, and circles inward to the center. it came from the edge in. Reminds me of the tubine/fluid patents mentioned earlier.

 the  energy vortex moves inward inbetween the 2 windings, reflected by the 2 coil windings, giving a double vortex. pulsing from both ends gives 2 counter rotating vortexes. one above and one below the pancake bifilar coil, at the same time the magnetic field vortex is nullified. It seems the dielectric vortex now takes over outside of the coil moving in spiral vortexes


The other dream, had the start and finish of th bifilar coil also connected. So the windings where crosse connected from both ends. forming a closed loop. this loop is like a infinity symbol. The energy fields would flow on.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 15th, 2017, 06:01 AM
sometimes i doubt myself. I allow myself to post ideas freely. but then Im scared to be judged or not taken seriously.

but i know im not always right. thats fine
i cant stop people judging me. and its a waist of energy worrying over it.

I would like to be able to trust my intuition.

but im only human
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 16th, 2017, 01:35 AM
I can make a resonant voltage rise by pulsing the coils at their resonant frequency.
a standing wave rises.

the resonant circuit cant be closed because it is polarised and forms a magneticfield.

the quest is to pulse from both ends with oppositepolarity at the same time.

as a variation, I could use the out of phase resonant voltages. these standing waves could be half rectified and fed into another bifilar coil from both ends. it will need to have the same resonant frequency. this way the fields will counter rotate again.

it is not pulsed, but since we already have the right energy form, rectified and put together again this could work.

making life alot easier
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 18th, 2017, 08:43 AM
The bifilar pancake coil has two windings in the form of two spirals.
In between these windings there are 2 spiral "canals" where the dielectric field resides.

A standing wave seems to exist at the resonant frequency, and when pulsed with a single polarity pulse, there is also a static magnetic field (static, meaning a fixed polarity shown by a compass).
It seems the dielectric field overflows from the center and starts flowing over the windings at 90 degrees, it always chooses a direction to one side of the coil, making the north pressure stronger than the south(under pressure), where the ether flow is sucked in.

But when pulsed from both ends with opposite polarity pulses, at the same time, at the resonant frequency,
The 2 canals, where the dielectric field resides, might flow (ether flow) in opposite directions.

One canal flows inward, and one channel flows outward. The field in the center, now is flowing from one channel into the other channel.
the energy doesnt overflow, and doesnt create a magnetic field.
But there is rotation in the center of the hole, and around the outside of the coil.

The channels are counter spiraling between the windings. Inward and outward.
With the single pulsed coil, this counter rotation, only exists above and below the coil, forming the magnetic fields north and south, centripetal and centrifugal.
But in the double pulsed coil, the centrifugal and centripetal (inwards and outwards) spirals of energy/ether are residing between the windings,  counter rotating ether fields.





Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 18th, 2017, 08:52 AM
In addition, the 2 canals, can be connected together, and it will keep flowing inwards and outwards.

In other words, If we have a coil on top, and a coil below, both resonating, they can be connected in series closed loop. the field will keep flowing, due to the counter rotation.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 19th, 2017, 02:57 AM
the joule thief circuit shows the right pulses, but only one side is amplified by the npn transistor

I based this on a toroid with 2 windings 1:1

what if the windings were doubled. a parallel extra set. but this te connected to a pnp transistor.

the center of the parallel windings would now connect on the other side, the to keep the fields flowing in the same direction in the toroid. so the coil would be placed on the other side mirrored.

now we have 2 separate systems. 2 joulethief circuits. coupled through the toroid. but the npn gives a positive amplified pulse, while the pnp gives a negative amplified pulse.

it comes down to 2 bifilar windings on the toroid. one connected to the pnp the other to the npn. both pulsing but oposite polarities , still coupling to the toroid due to the mirrored symetry of connections

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 19th, 2017, 09:41 AM
if we have two transverse fields, one dielectric and one magnetic. they are exchanging energy.

if we transform into a higher voltage the amperage goes down (dielectric field stronger, magnetic field weaker)

but since there also is a third longitudinal field, I assume it also exchanges energy with the other fields.

for example
a coil can make a magnetic field. but the same coil in   a little different configuration can cancel out the magnetic field. but it still consumes power (loss of the dielectric component).

if there is no magnetic field, I assume the energy will be transformed into the third field, the longitudinal.

because there is no extra heat or other escape for the consumed energy.

so, 3 fields that can interchange their energy.

magnetic into dielectric into longitudinal (need a name) and back and forth.

so playing with a bifilar coil without the magnetic field must have a interaction with the 3rd field.

therefor the energy conservation laws are intact. we dont make energy from nothing, we tranform it from the 3rd field
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 19th, 2017, 05:32 PM
transverse waves are limited by the speed of light.
longitudinal waves are faster (eric p dollard).
when the speed is higher, the amplitude is higher.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 21st, 2017, 06:41 AM
If the bifilar coil can produce a magnetic field, and a dielectric field when pulsed,
and it can make a dielectric field, and a longitudinal field (without magnetic field) when opposite pulsed from both sides,
How does this longitudinal field manifests itself?

The dielectric, is in the 2D plane of the pancake windings. the magnetic field is wrapped around the windings in a spacial 3D field
The longitudinal field, I think, is beaming of at a right angel to the windings. but, I dont believe in straight lines, So It would be a vortex. one above and one below.

As the dielectric fields are counter rotating, it would also be a double vortex, counter rotating.

To have bifilar coils, tuned to the smae resonant frequency,  stacked, but spaced apart. Would create a vortex inbetween the coils. one, might amplifiy the other, giving rise to more and more dielectric field energy. If we tap into this dielectric field, and take its energy away, the longitudinal vortexes would keep resupplying the dielectric field voltage.

The standing waves of the dielectric field, in a bifilar coil, when pulsed without the magnetic field, would make the whole surface of the windings give a impulse to the longitudinal wave. Due to the rotational energy, from outside to inside, and inside to outside.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 21st, 2017, 06:44 AM
A caduceus coil, would do the same thing. but, the dielectric field is not as strong as in the bifilar coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 21st, 2017, 03:19 PM
found a german engineer (speaks English) who has a theory about longitudinal field. he is a profesional.
has written several books about it. solid information i think. find him on youtube

Konstantin Meyl

k-meyl.de(http://www.k-meyl.de)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 23rd, 2017, 02:47 AM
Read some of Konstantin Meyl's work. He states, the longitudinal vortex, keeps rolling if the antenna ratio is based on Phi.
So if we consider the bifilar coil, as a antenna, transmitting longitudinal vortices, we would need a hole in the middle, with phi ratio to the windings, as I have stated before.

then when 2 coils are close together, like in nelson rocha's setup, the vortises between them, can amplify eachother

the dielectric field induces the longitudinal field, and vice versa.
So the vortex of one coil, induces the dielectric field of the other coil, which then again induces its own longitudinal vortex. Just like eddy currents. but then in form of the other fields.

If we tap into the dielectric energy produced, the longitudinal vortex energy will resupply.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 05:37 AM
a screenshot of nelsons center blue coils, with the white dielectric in between them

from this video:
https://youtu.be/aEZSCNHDYJs
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 03:50 PM
with magnetic fields we have eddy currents.
due to the polarisation of the magnetic field these eddy currents are counter productive.

but what if this phenomenon also occurs in the dielectric field. where the field induces vortices.

due to the nature of the dielectric field these "eddy" vortices might be supportive instead of destructive. in other words, they could produce voltage. dielectric fields.

these "eddy" vortices might manifest in the longitudinal field.

I again had to think of tesla's patents:
U.S. Patent 1,061,142 - Fluid Propulsion
U.S. Patent 1061206-turbine
related to water. creating vortices.

today I also made my water spin in the bottle. I could see the vortex. the vortex had a line of air bubbles underneath it. and in this line there was a oscillation up and down. interesting.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 03:54 PM
if we have a dielectric field in a capacitor. where one plate is +100 and one plate is -100
is there a polarisation in the dielectric field? does it flow in 1 direction? from high to low or low to high voltage?

lightning can be observed moving from the earth to the cloud and vice versa.

in the bifilar coil we have winding alternating in a high and low voltage. is the dielectric field between the windings flowing in a specific direction? towards the high or low voltage?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 04:05 PM
a line (2 string rope) (longitudinal)
a flat double spiral (pancake) (dielectric)
a spacial double vortex (donut/toroid) (magnetic)

the vortices end in a line (2 string rope)

full circle
Title: tesla's patent signature
Post by: evostars on May 29th, 2017, 03:48 PM
today I looked ad the signature of Tesla in his patents.

Is it normal for him to let his attorney sign the documents? because the signatures are very differnt on some of the patents. they look as if the attorney made the signature (same writing style)

  i even found a  patent  without tesla's signature. only his name in print.

I find this very odd.
If I was granted a patent i would personally sign it.
but I must admit I dont have hundrets of patents on my name. maybe he wanted to spend his time on more relevant experimenting...

see for yourself at the  tesla universe website
Title: resonance
Post by: evostars on May 31st, 2017, 05:16 PM
Resonance. What is it?
I've promised to make a video about it. but its not that easy.

In music, resonance is used all over the place. But in electrics its hardly everused.
most instruments makes use of resonance. a guitar string, when plukked vibrates at its resonant frequency.
A pinao when played, the hammer hits the strings, and they vibrate at their resonant frequency.
We can tune the resonant freuqency by changing the tension of the string, or the mass.
This vibrating, resonant frequency, is not only done by the strings, but also by the wood of the instrument. It gets amplified. And the air (medium) around it also resonates. producing longitudinal presure waves, we call sound. and our ears can pick them up.

Every coil and every capacitor has its own resonant frequency. If a coil is energised, this resonant frequency shows up as a fading sine wave. And if we pulse the coil at this frequency the sine wave grows bigger.  The medium around it (ether) also starts to resonate (longitudinal?) and metal objects in the area also.
If I have a bifilar coil, pulsed at its resonant frequency. this frequency can be read from a nearby metal object. just put a osciloscope on it and you will read the same sine wave. and with alot of voltage.

This resonant transfer must be like sound, the longitudinal energy wave moves through the ether, and transferres its energy into a metal object, where we can read the sine voltage.

Just like sound. the string vibrates at its resonant freuqency produceing longitudinal pressure waves through the air, and the air transfers this longitudinal energy to the membrane of a microphone, where it is picked up and transduced into a electric signal via a coil.

The bifilar coil has a lower resonant freuqnecy due to its added capacitance. And the voltage rise in nearby metals is very great.
So there is a relation between dielectric field energy, and longitudinal field energy.  Are they the same? I dont think so. but they seam to interact easily.

The dielectric field would be strong in between the windings. but it also seems to flow into the space around the coil, as we can measure the sine voltage in nearby conducting objects.

These fields are not static electricity. they are dynamic.
How can we make use of these pressure wave fields (tsunami's)

I really think there is a lot more to this field. but to let it gain in strength we would need more voltage.
I'm still afraid of this higher potential.  On one hand it seems harmless, but on the other hand, its not so harmless, it seems to interact with the energy of life itself. It can make me sick.
And, the sparks, have burned me often. once you grab the wire, its OK. but if you let it spark, is HOT, and it will leave a burnmark spot.
The energy gives a feeling of being alive. And I do know it can be used for medicine. Its life itself.





Title: switching between series and parallel bifilar
Post by: evostars on June 1st, 2017, 03:24 PM
a bifilar coil has 2 windings and 4 endings.
tesla's paten 512340 shows the series connected bifilar pancake coil. It has a magnetic and a dielecteic field. when energised it can store energy like a capacitor.

but the coil can as an alternative be connected in parallel. this coil has no magnetic field (cancelled).
the dielectric field is not even distritributed as in the series connected coil. in the parallel at the plus and minus the voltage difdernce is biggest, at the center there is no difference. the windings are counter wound. one clockwise and one counter clockwise.

the difference between the series and parallel coil is the bridge and the "output". these connections can be switched easily with a relays (on-on).

with a electric circuit it should also be possible to switch.

why should we do this?
in the series connection. we charge the coil. the magnetic field builds up. the dielectric field builds up.

then with a flick of the switch, all the energy stored in the magnetic and dielectric field, isnt supported anymore by the coil structure.

the magnetic field now should be cancelled. and the dielectric field should be pushed to the input and output.

sounds a bit like a generator?

anyway. i havent worked with electronic on-on switches. you would need 2
one for the 'bridge' connection. to switch series to parallel.
and one to switch the output.

one cycle to charge the fields (series connected)
switch
other cycle to cancel the field and push the dielectric voltage to the output

When I first thought of this concept, it made me think of bedini's ssg. the bifilar coil he uses, is also switched.
you could use the magnetic field to drive the wheel at the right possition. but then the field start working agains the wheel. thats when you switch. the field collapses, and maybe just maybe the magnetic field of the wheel magnet might produce a voltage in the parallel mode.

Title: dielectric between coils
Post by: evostars on June 2nd, 2017, 03:15 PM
Since the dielectric influences the voltage produced,
i want to use a dielectric between the bifilar pancale coils.

but how and what material?

I could make a paper mould and fill it with molten candle wax.

hot glue would also be a good one.

or silicon kit.

when the temperature drops some products might shrink, this would be bad for the distamce between the coils.

It could also be in layers build up. (oh my grammar. :imsorry:
Title: double ring vortex
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 02:22 AM
a ring vortex has  a rotating ring.

the rotational direction is related to the direction the ring vortex moves in.

what happens when 2 equal ring vortices collide?
it depends on the relative direction.

head on they destroy (there is a youtube vid on this)

but from the same direction they entangle. but it requires one moving faster than the other. and the same direction.

if we translate this to the magnetic and dielectric,
one has to be lower in frequency. and their direction needs to be the same.

to transfer this to nelsons setup,
a magnetic vortex coil combines with a dielectric ring vortex coil (blue middle with dielectric).
and a output coil. so the energy moves from one end to the other.

the center coil is not the output. its the dielectric ringvortex. the left coil is the magnetic vortex that combines with the dielectric ring vortex. giving it power. (wrapping around it?)

the output coil only sees the magnetic and dielectric combined fields

In the picture; light blue is the magnetic vortex
green is the dielectric ring vortex
dark blue is the output
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 03:34 AM
or... the magnetic vortex travels completly through to the other side, to the outside of the dark blue coil.

this video of nelson shows the output  coil being on one side. not the middle.

https://youtu.be/aEZSCNHDYJs
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 05:02 AM
first create te dielectric vortex ring.
build a bifilarcoil with a dielectric between the windings (2 unifilar coil series connected with dielectric between them.

second... a hv pulse at resonant frequency.
it needs to be high voltage to bridge the distance between the coils (generates a vortex ring in the dielectric
Title: epoxy resin as dielectric medium
Post by: evostars on June 5th, 2017, 05:58 AM
how does a toroid react with a vortex?

water could show this.
a bit tricky...

first create a toroid ring vortex bubble ring (ahh again a proper name)

then let it rise
then start rotating the water so a vortex appears.

it should suck the vortex ring down.

the interaction between the ring and the vortex could make the ring stable at a set height in the water.

man this would be a piece of art
 :bow:

Posted: June 4th, 2017, 01:03 PM

to make a bifilar coil from two stacked unifilar pancake coils, a good dielectric is needed.
I wondered about a material.
I found epoxy is perfect. it has a 500v per mm dielectric strength and around 6 dielectric constant.

epoxy is available as 2 components resin. it can be poured and then it hards out.
a pancake is placed in a form and the epoxy resin is poured in (layers is better else the time to harden is long) then when then proper distance is reached the last layer is poured and the second unifilar coil is placed on top /in the resin.

the coil should be able to be series connected.

the coils should have a phi ratio hole and the distance between the stacked unifilar coils should be   the same as the radius of the hole.

the diectric field between the 2 series connected unifilar coil will form in the epoxy. 

this forms a bifilar coil all together.

the dielectric field in the epoxy can now be influenced by a magnetic field (vortex) via one of the holes (place a bifilar coil with no hole parallel to one of the unifilar coils).
Title: pumping longitudinal wave front
Post by: evostars on June 7th, 2017, 04:11 AM
Last night I woke up and had a idea.
at resonant frequency the bifilar pancake coil has a standing wave. the energy doesn't travel anymore but pulsates in unison.
Its like the hole wire length (windings) is breathing. the whole wire length could be seen like a rubber tire, where air is pumped in and out. it expands and contracts, over the whole surface area, it is even distributed. so the wave isn't traveling transverse anymore, but is now longitudinally pumping. the surface of the windings will produce on both sides (simultaneous expansion) a longitudinal wave front. this dielectric field is exiting the ether, like a repeating tsunami.  any conducting material in this field is effected by it.

A hole in the middle of the coil would influence the projection of the field.

it reminded me of this picture, with the pump into the earth. (from: Tesla wireless power theory, Electrical Experimenter Feb 1919)


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Tesla_wireless_power_theory_-_Electrical_Experimenter_Feb_1919.png)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 7th, 2017, 04:36 AM
this resonance longitudinal pulsing isnt restricted to the resonating coil. it can be transferred by one wire to other conducting objects.

I have tried many times to revert this dielectric standing wave energy, to a magnetic field. but that doesn't work. because its not transverse travelling energy any more.

what does work is rectify it and store it in a capacitor. or use it as dc for lighting a LED.

If the voltage of the resonant standing wave is high enough the power of it becomes greater and can drive dc motors.
Title: a transformer seen as bifilar step up and pulsed
Post by: evostars on June 9th, 2017, 09:28 AM
I salvaged some old 80's medical electronics.
there is a blue tranformer in there. with 2x110V and 2x18V  7va.

now these can be used as bifilar. just hook them up in the right way. should be nice to experiment with.
create some bemf.

also 2 nice cooling elements.

A thought I had: if a tranformer is turned off it creates a voltage spike due to the collapsing magnetic field.
could we reverse this? create bemf pulses and feed them back to the transformer (together with powerfull squarewave signal).

if pulsed at the right frequency (resonant freq) the transformer could step the energy back up
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 9th, 2017, 09:49 AM
transistors are also high spec. 2x 2n5886(200W 25A 80V 4 mhz) and 2x tip133. (10A 80W 100V 3mhz)

left on the picture is a strange transformer it has 4x3pin connections.

and some precision trim pots
that black block above it seems to be a inductor.
also some fat diodes.

I love it
Title: ether compression
Post by: evostars on June 9th, 2017, 02:24 PM
An old idea came backnto me again.

compression of the ether field by a rotating planar dielectric field "pushes out" the spacial magnetic vortex.

this spacial magnetic field, that is polarised and like a double vortex, when it collapses (because the dielectric planar rotation/current stops)
rotates back to into the planar (2d) field.
while doing so, its like a implosion of the magnetic field, and this creates a short but potent dielectric voltage pulse (planar rotation).

a magnetic field is spacial and it takes time to build up and collapse. just listen to a powerfull electromagnet when it is turned on. what is that sound? it takes time.

but the dielectric voltage is a planar (2d) torc field. it is not spacial, and is takes NO TIME to build up.
We can have a instant jump to 500kV
look at a spark. its fast. really fast.

but what about the 3rd field component? the longitudinal. what does it do in case of a collapsing magnetic field?

a magnetic field is like a double ringvortex. but polarised. so the ring vortexes come together on the dielectric plane in the middle (bloch wall) but are counter rotating into eachother.(?)

so... what happens to this longitudinal ring vortex component? when the magnetic field collapses?

the dielectric rotation stops. does the magnetic vortex rotation also stop? then the collapse is really like 2 ringvortices turning into eachother. rotation power is gone, but the diameter (voltage component) is still there.
 :emperor:

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 10th, 2017, 05:11 AM
salvaged parts from the defibrillator boards.
one very peculiar tranformer looked like it took alot of heat. it has 12 pins. multiple layers with several thickness of wire. the ferrite has heat strains and fell apart into 3 pieces (should work with some glue)
but what it was for?

Title: ring vortex spin direction
Post by: evostars on June 11th, 2017, 05:31 PM
I keep seeing a ring vortex and its spin direction.

a magnetic field is a toroid with a closed hole. this is made by a bifilarpancake coil with the smallest central hole.

the magnetic vortex is turning clockwise or counterclockwise.

But when we enlarge the hole in the center of the bifilarpancake coil (phi ratio). the magnetic field isnt focussed into one point.
the toroid now has a hole in it. it becomes the ring vortex.

when we see a ring toroid travel the rotation of the ring isnt clockwise or counterclockwise. its straight in and  straight out.

but what I keep seeing in my mind  is a ring vortex, that does have a spin direction that is relative clockwise or counterclockwise.

this reminds me of my phi ringtoroid i made(i posted some pictures before). and the perfect pattern it makes when 8 points are used.

a set matches their rotation angles.

but what does this mean.... is this the defenition of a longitudinal ring vortex pair? does this define the 2 different ring vortices?

I dont think it can exist om itself, but only as a pair.

a single toroid would turn straight.

whould this pair be formed around the blue center coils of nelsons setup?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 20th, 2017, 02:26 AM
woke up this morning with a idea for generating the highvoltage dielectric back emf.
a sparkplug image it was.

the pulse signal could simply be stepped up to a high  high voltage.

last night i saw eric dollards presentation for the ham audience again.

https://youtu.be/BHsEzPDVtog

around 10 min in he talkes about wave forms, and the tesla pulse. those look just like Nelson Rocha's spikes. Dollard said it was related to a coil grounded at one side. but i cant understand it.

the only time ive seen spikes close to that is a joule thief circuit.

those spikes.... i need them
Title: add a capacitor between the bifilar windings
Post by: evostars on June 21st, 2017, 10:38 AM
someone posted on youtube i should try to put a capacitor between the bifilar windings.
I thinks this is a interesting Idea.
it would extend the plate area of the 2 windings, and so increase the dielectric field, which would result in a much lower resonant frequency.

today I saw another video also showing a interesting effect. the bifilar windings are NOT bridged. not connected. so the energy tranfer is via the back emf and back mmf of the pulsed signal.

very interesting to see the led load is brightly lid. but WITHOUT ANY CURRENT from the source.

edit; wrong. the meter shows 0 but its not the correct meter to measure at this frequency.
the square wave from the source is clearly deformed. so it is loaded.
still its interesting. the wires are open, only connecting through the fields

https://youtu.be/qtI1CPBSm-o
Title: magnetic current
Post by: evostars on June 21st, 2017, 03:50 PM
here is a nice little experiment.
Steinmetz said it takes a voltage (drop) to build up a magnetic field, but it takes no energy to maintain it.

first I thought he was wrong. but... I remembered some strange effects. for instance:

https://youtu.be/Gjdt3ImlN3s

so lets do this the other way around.

what if we take a strong (field flux lines concentrated near to the magnet) neodymium bar magnet.
we wind a coil with insulated wire around it (in the magnetic field) and we solder the beginning and ending together. making it a closed loop.

I say if we want to take the magnet out(if it is loosly wound) we would expierence a drag.

second thing is, if we take the magnet out and place it away, the coil will have a magnetic field.

third, of we open up the closed loop magnetic field disappears.

If all of this is true, what does this say about the dielectric field of the coil? If the loop is openend and the magnetic field collapses, there should be a bemf producing a voltage (dielectric field).

pretty simple experiment.
Title: bmmf bemf
Post by: evostars on June 23rd, 2017, 12:34 AM
If a high voltage spike can "punch through" 
than maybe the combination with a high current spike
can draw in the energy through the punched hole.

a high voltage spike in a magnetic field.

I've seen videos of the interaction of sparks inside magneyic fields. very interesting.

could it be this simple, to create a hole(voltage spike), with a vacuum(magnetic field), and let this vacuum be filled through the hole?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 23rd, 2017, 10:57 PM
adding inductance should lower the resonant frequency of a bifilarcoil. but i never tested it.
maybe... it doesnt.
the reversed hall effect would demand more capacitance for more inductance...
Title: back magneto motive enrgy from bifilar shortcut
Post by: evostars on June 24th, 2017, 03:46 PM
If we energize a bifilar coil, a dielectric field build up in between its windings due to the voltage difference between them.
A collapsing dielectric field produces a back magneto motive force. (Steinmetz)
So, it we shortcut the bifilar coil, the potential difference is instantly gone. This collapses the dielectric field resulting in a Bmmf.
If this energy cant go anywhere (cant flow due to disconnect wires), it must tranform into another form.

the bifilar pancake coil, is a series connected 2 winding coil. between the windings is a dielectric field, if we shortcut the beginning and ending, we have 2 spirals, if the dielectric field then collapses, the bmmf produces a current inside the windings that now are closed looped. This means the dielectric field than collapses produces a spiraling magnetic vortex.

So if we shortcut a dielectric charged bifilar coil, we transform the dielectric field into a magnetic field.

If we open up the coil again the magnetic field collapses again.

We can make use of that. If we reinforce the energized bifilar coil with ferrite paste, it could focus the magnetic field produced from the bmmf of the dielectic field collapse.

PLus, and this is a big plus. we can use a second parallel coil next to it, and capture the collapsing magnetic field, that produces a bemf. A voltage.

pulse a ferrite enhanced bifilar coil. if pulsed in its resonant frequency, the dielectric field should be strongest.
when the coil is charged, we disconnect and shortcut it.
The dielectric field collapses, and transfromes into a magnetic field, helped by the ferrite.
A parallel second bifilar coil is captured inside the magnetic field.
we openup the first coil again. the magnetic field collapses, produces a b emf, which is captured by the second parallel coil.

Now I'm not sure about the next part, but it seems the voltage spikes of a bemf are much higher in voltage then what you put in. The duration is short, but energetic.

If those energetic pulses are in the resonant frequency of the parallel second coil you might end up with a massive huge big resonant voltage rise.

All this is maybe a bit far out. but needed to understand the process.

I have always wondered why a 2200uF loaded with 12V can produce a short 70V pulse. Because thats what i use with my IGBT pulse dirver. It shortcuts a 12V 2200uf cap into the bifilar coil, at the resonant frequency of the parallel coil. the primary is also a bifilar coil.

enough for now. Back to the longitudinal bifilar coil transmission




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Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 26th, 2017, 03:00 PM
a collapsing magnetic field creates a bemf
a collapsing dielectric field creates a bmmf

could we use a relais to simultaneously make both fields collapse?

charge a coil with a magnetic field
charge a capacitor with a dielectric field

the relais opens the coil loop amd simultaneously shortcuts the capacitor

the bemf plus bmmf combined giving a current plus voltage pulse.

Title: capacitor bmmf into empty capacitor
Post by: evostars on June 30th, 2017, 07:41 AM
when a charged capacitor is discharged in to a  empty capacitor, a lot of energy is lost.
why?

the dielectric field when discharging produces a bmmf (back magneto motive force).

during transport of the energy of the  bmmf into the empty capacitor, the wires have a short burst of very high current producing a magnetic field. this field energy seems to be lost.

thats very interesting. It suggests again open field lines.

the best way to tranport the dielectric field from one capacitor into another would be via a inducter that can bundle/store the energy in its magnetic field, until the dielectric energy is stored/redistributed in both capacitors.
the energy can oscillate without being lost.

but we could also use these open field lines.
a bifilar pancake coil can also be seen as a capacitor. It has a much larger capacity to store the dielectric field. but its also a inductor.

so discharging a capacitor into a bifilarpancake coil can be mighty interesting.
because the "lost" energy might be the longitudinal vortex ring that can be recaptured by a collector coil.

https://youtu.be/884LWfnRDLY


 
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on June 30th, 2017, 08:40 AM
Quote from evostars on June 30th, 2017, 07:41 AM
when a charged capacitor is discharged in to a  empty capacitor, a lot of energy is lost.
why?
I have to speak up here Evo.  I've never liked this analogy of charge.  Didn't Steinmetz tell us that the concept of static electrical charge has brought us down the wrong road--bad form.

The transfer of electrical energy from one capacitor to another shows us something is terribly wrong.  Why?

Because a dielectric field in motion is energy.
A magnetic field in motion is energy.

What do we have when both fields are in motion?

Some superposition of two energy sources, with a net result less than the sum.  Do you see the problem?  We are told voltage alone is not energy; same with amperage.  But they are when they are in motion.

But a dielectric field trapped in a capacitor is not in motion.  It's still between two conductors where we would expect it, but clearly not going anywhere.  Ah, there's that silly term "potential energy" again.  Useless.  The entire Universe full of its Aether is also "potential energy", so why even bother with that term.  A "charged" capacitor is nothing more than a static, trapped dielectric field.  This field has been separated from its surroundings.  And yes, it has some quantity, but so what, it's not in motion and not very useful in that form.  Not until we put it into motion.

It doesn't matter whether it's a nice lady from India or a senior electrical engineer anywhere in the world, the concept they are spouting is wrong.  Again, Steinmetz made this blazingly clear.  Something does radiate away and our modern electrical engineers have no idea what it actually is or why it does this.  They can only calculate how much.  Sad to think in the year 1911, Charles Steinmetz laid the foundation all future electrical engineers could and should follow, but they don't; most don't even recognize Steinmetz' name.  I'm really starting to understand why Eric Dollard has become so bitter.  The future has thrown away the past even though the past was correct and had the right ideas.

When you have a dielectric field trapped between conductors and you connect the two conductors together, you just killed the dielectric field.  It cannot exist this way, so it leaves.  It goes and finds some other place between conductors to live.  Call this "radiate" if you want to, but it breaks the definition of a dielectric and as such the dielectric field.  I wish more people could see this.  It's not hard to understand if you get familiar with the terms used.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 30th, 2017, 08:47 AM
hehe :D yes matt,
when I was whatching the video,
I thought that those formulas must be incorrect.

just as incorrect if you measure the inductance of a bifilar coil and calculate the resonant frequency and its way off.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on June 30th, 2017, 09:03 AM
Quote from evostars on June 30th, 2017, 08:47 AM
I thought that those formulas must be incorrect.
Oh, they are correct alright, I've been down that road.  What they really are is useless.  They completely ignore the two major fields at work within (and outside of) the circuit.

I want to see somebody (hopefully you Evo), short a capacitor and collect all that dielectric energy that now has to find a new home.  And when you successfully collect it, I dare anyone to try and detect the slightest amount of "heat loss" as they say must exist.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 30th, 2017, 09:17 AM
hahahaha :D

CORRECT BUT USELESS

LOL
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on June 30th, 2017, 03:29 PM
If I want to use a pulse of capacitor discharge
at high frequencies, it might be best to use a small capacitance so it can charge fast. but more important, use a really high voltage.
the cap might not be fully drained by the pulse discharge, but the high voltage will serve the most energy to the pulse.

low voltage high capacitance might be the wrong way to create a single pulse.
high voltage low capacitance might be better to create high frequency pulses for the capacitor discharge.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on June 30th, 2017, 07:02 PM
I can't say what the correct combination will be, but as long as you understand what you are doing to the dielectric field by shorting a "charged" capacitor, I think you'll be on the right track.

Also consider shorting by way of a resistor.  Ah hah, what really is a resistor?  It's not a conductor and it's not a dielectric, a semi-conductor maybe?

Look at Steinmetz's formulas involving Ohms and think about what a resistor must really be and how the dielectric field must react to it.  For a long time I knew in my gut a resistor was much more than I was told.  The most useful of all resistors are ones that happen to be long lengths of coiled wire.  In the old days they had rheostats--coils of resistive wire used as potentiometers.  That's a clue for sure.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 1st, 2017, 03:19 AM
I never thought about resistors. I know power resistors (cement) often are coiled. some even are counter coiled to eliminate the magnetic field.

I dont know what Steinmetz has to say about resistors. do you have a quote?
I did find he states the relation to reluctance(magnetic) and elastance(dielectric) to resistance in the formulas. but what is elastance? i believe i heard eric p dollard talk about it in one of his videos.

eric p dollard said conductors are like mirrors.
so a resistor would be a bad conductor. a bad mirror. absorbing/transmuting some of the energy and reflecting the rest.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 1st, 2017, 04:23 AM
Quote from evostars on July 1st, 2017, 03:19 AM
eric p dollard said conductors are like mirrors.
I think he actually said conductors are dielectric reflectors.  So yes, mirrors.  They are objects that dielectricity can adhere to, to create lines of force.
Quote from evostars on July 1st, 2017, 03:19 AM
so a resistor would be a bad conductor. a bad mirror. absorbing/transmuting some of the energy and reflecting the rest.
Excellent analogy.  Now do you know how a laser works?  Two mirrors, one is nearly 100% perfect and the other not so perfect.  The energy is bounced back-n-forth, amplified between the mirrors until at the not so perfect mirror end, the energy escapes as a collimated beam, intense focused energy.  The kind of energy Ken Wheeler says will burn a hole in your butt.

Can you partially see why I think there is more to a resistor than we have been told?

Suppose this resistor is a coil of thin wire, what kind of a beam do you suppose we could make with it?  Magnetic?  Dielectric?  Choose your coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 1st, 2017, 07:41 AM
No I dont get where you are going with this. but Im a little sick today so my focus is gone.

a resistor? as a field generator?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 1st, 2017, 08:56 AM
Let it soak for a while, then start asking yourself, "What really is a resistor and how could I use it in a way where it doesn't just waste energy?"

Also look at LCR circuits (Series(http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/ac_theory/lcr_series.php) & Parallel(http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/ac_theory/lcr_para.php)) and think about the dielectric field, where it must be and how it moves.  I still have this gut feeling a resistor is a key component in separating the dielectric field from the magnetic field.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 1st, 2017, 09:52 AM
I just wanted to fill up the hot tub and let is soak.

you want to separate the dielectric from the magnetic? well put a bifilar coil into srf and investigate that high voltage sine wave.
I do believe its pure dielectric energy.
no magnetic component there.

its Not possible to make a ferrite transformer with this sine wave. maybe also because no current is flowing in a standing wave
Title: ken wheeler on scaler instant actionat a distance
Post by: evostars on July 3rd, 2017, 08:55 AM
https://youtu.be/Kt6_xpsqanQ

ken wheeler didnt say much but it sure is exciting.

his big hint is volts per second.

and in a reaction: instant action at a distance

and another reply:
voltage modulation by changing the conduit
stream projection.


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 3rd, 2017, 01:00 PM
Quote from evostars on July 3rd, 2017, 08:55 AM
his big hint is volts per second.
Those would be the ring vortexes flying by a stationary point.  This is the part I think I misunderstood about Ken's magnet research with the dielectric inertial plane.  It's not entirely a flat plane like I thought.  It's actually a stationary ring vortex, smashed very thin due to field pressure mediation.  That's where the rotation is actually coming from when Ken shows us magnets on his special ferro-fluid viewing glass.  The clue to this is his other video that you referenced with the little magnets stacked together and the viewing film reveals a helix around the magnets.

So...  To get high values of volts/sec, we need very thin ring vortexes, very close together, propagating at a high rate of speed.  The energy density in this configuration would be astronomical.  Remember the shadow, that's the blank spaces between rings, your "opposite" polarity.  Opposite in this case is nothing at all.  Whoo-Hoo, I think I'm on to something here.   :cheerleader:
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 3rd, 2017, 01:08 PM
sounds like we are goimg to recreate natures mechanisms.

I also am watching dollard again. makes a lot more sense now i learned so much.

you talking about the tempic field is starting to connect. some fields travel faster (in time) then the others.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 3rd, 2017, 10:23 PM
Quote from evostars on July 3rd, 2017, 01:08 PM
you talking about the tempic field is starting to connect. some fields travel faster (in time) then the others.
It's all right here Evo:
http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/Tempic.htm

Again, our leaders in science & technology have led us down the wrong road for fear of us not needing them anymore.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 4th, 2017, 03:19 AM
You should read this one too:
http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/SmithCoil.htm
Quote
... which radiates doughnut shaped waves, which are not time functions.
Seems I met someone recently talking about this very phenomena.    :-)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 03:23 AM
hahaha just read it!

its a caduceus coil on a hollow ferrite rod
creating vortex rings.

the bifilar coil can also be hooked up as a caduceus coil (cancelation of the magnetic field).

its very interesting indeed. but for now i want to keep focussing on the distanced coil
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 03:26 AM
the tempic field does explain the phase shifting of the resonant frequency when changing the capacitance of a bifilar coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 4th, 2017, 03:52 AM
Yes, phase is spin caught at a point in time.  So if the dielectric and magnetic fields can alter the tempic field, it's easy to understand where a phase change might actually come from.  The whole "defeating Lenz Law" is nothing more than a phase shift and if we can do that with these coils, well...  you know the rest.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 03:58 AM
:shocked:
 :bliss:

who did you speak with or even better what did you speak about?

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 4th, 2017, 04:31 AM
This is your "ideas" thread.  Bouncing ideas back-n-forth with you is helping me put all these little pieces together that I exposed myself to over the years.  Or, maybe the Boys Topside are injecting my brain with things and I keep stumbling across them wondering where I got that goofy idea.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 06:10 AM
hehe yes. nice one.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 07:39 AM
good to share. inspiring.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 4th, 2017, 04:15 PM
I would love to do a time test.
when the distanced bifilar coil is finished,
I would like to bring it into resonance with some high voltage pulses.

then I would like to have 2 identical digital watches.

one would be placed inside the center of the coil, one would be placed far away.

then after a week of running this coil at its resonant frequency, I would like to compare the time on both watches.

Or maybe a simple youtube live stream. showing the coil with the clock.

would it drift?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 5th, 2017, 05:28 PM
good book says dollard:
https://archive.org/details/electricitymatte00thomiala
jj thompson, electricity and matter

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 5th, 2017, 05:35 PM
from 3:02:10  a good explanation of the bifilar coil.
Dollard states, at the resonant frequency, it grounds into counter space via its capacitance. if its only connected on one side.

he calls it a monopolar transmitter, and because its grounded via the capacitance into counterspace, you can transmit into ground... this explains why I see a signal on the ground connection

in this video he also shows the longitudinal wave as a wave in time, where the dielectric and magnetic field lines, line up in the same direction, in counter space. Very good info, if your eyes and ear, heart and brain are open to it.

https://youtu.be/UK1dsHclQBc
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 6th, 2017, 06:05 AM
if a bifilar phi hole coil produces a ring vortex around it, then a distanced bifilar coil phi hole coil (2 parallel pancake windings series connected with a dielectric in between)
should produce 2 vortex rings one around each pancake winding.

If we only pulse one of the windings, and we would measure the output with another parallel coil on the other winding,

what would it show?

will the one side jump over to the other side because it is series connected? and will it then be measurable?

or would we need to pulse the other winding to make the connection complete? in other words, one of the 2 windings, the one that isnt  near the parallel pulsed coil, is pulsed as a single coil, but still being part of the bifilar coil.

that way producing the combined field of dielectric and magnetic.

pfff.... need to finish this side by side coil soon... and start working with these concepts
Title: question. 12v dc powersupply to ground. pos or neg terminal?
Post by: evostars on July 8th, 2017, 03:41 PM
I would think that when I ground my dc powersupply signal to earth, to make it more stable, i would have to connect it to the negative side.

but no... I've got 2 power supplies that need to connect the positive terminal to ground.
to work properly.

I think the power isnt 0 and 12v
but its -12v and zero.
its still 12V...
but why is it referenced to ground via the positive side? and not the negative?

isnt that strange?
 :hide:
Title: bucking a bifilar coil, collecting its b emf
Post by: evostars on July 9th, 2017, 05:02 AM
depending on how we connect a bifilar coil,
we can make it bucking (creating 2 opposed magnetic fields).

to buck, we reverse one winding, so the windings are parallel. this reversing is simply done by switching the connections around of one of the windings.

the windings are series connected. we just reverse the connection of one winding.
a relais could do the trick.

now in one position we buck the coils. put power into the coil, and the fields will oppose. this stresses the eather.as if it is compressed.

then we switch the winding with the relais reversing its connections. Now it becomes a tesla bifilar. the eather now in a flash relaxes, decompresses into the bifilar tesla coil.

I thought of this before, but in reverse. thinking that the bucking might produce an energy output. this still also might be true.

the energy can be fed into capacitors by use of fast diodes(that act as valves)

edition:
as the ether is much fasyer than a switch, this wouldn't never work.
but... we could use separate coils for bucking and collecting. the bucking coils b emf would then be collected by the bifilar coils. a stack of several alternating coils might do the trick
Title: circular movement of the bloch wall(dielectric field)
Post by: evostars on July 10th, 2017, 11:07 PM
woke up with a thought.

movement of the bloch wall.

in a torroid when it is partly wound there is a bloch wall. we can move this around.
this creates an oscillation.

its the movement of the bloch wall that generates movement of energy.

the inter action of two coils makes the bloch wall move

if properly moved it circulates the energy like a pump round and round.

the blockwall is equal to the dielectric field which concentrates between the windings of a bifilar coil.

opppsition or attraction creates a new bloch wall. alternating fields of 2 coils will shift the bloch wall inbetweeen them.
so if you place a third coil there in the middle, the bloch wall shifts through it.
generating energy movement via the shifting dielectric field

opposing fields create the strongest dielectric shift.
Title: joule thief is a bucking coil
Post by: evostars on July 10th, 2017, 11:36 PM
the  coils of a joulethief are normally wound (not counter wise)
but due to the way its connected its in bucking mode.

the current comes in from the middle of the coil and moves parallel to bothe ends, where at one end a resistor leads to the base and the other end the collector is.

these currents produce opposing fields.
when the base current opens the transistor the collector current becomes suddenly dominant as it can flow to the emittor ground.

this current creates a opposing current in the base winding. the base current stops flowing the transistor blocks. the fields produce a back emf; and then it starts all over again.

So the oscilation kills itself over and over again. could we alter this circuit so this leads to a circulation? trigger it different?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 12th, 2017, 08:37 AM
I start to think Nelson Rocha's blue distanced coils, are 2 bifilar coils.

both are put into resonance. but in opposite phases. this might induce a dielectric field inbetween them inside the white dielectric.(where a outputcoil coil collect it).

the out of phase resonance can be created by a single pulse that is fed to the 2 outside coils. one coil is reversed connected.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 12th, 2017, 02:41 PM
i need to check the inductance of two bifilar coils in series. it seems its acting funny. depending on how they are connected
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 12th, 2017, 02:54 PM
Quote from evostars on July 12th, 2017, 02:41 PM
i need to check the inductance of two bifilar coils in series. it seems its acting funny. depending on how they are connected
checks out right. when 2 coils are stacked series connected via both outside rims or both inside rims, the inductance drops (opposing magnetic fields)
Title: impulse currents and reactance
Post by: evostars on July 13th, 2017, 12:41 AM
just watched a good video on reactance impedance admittance conductance and var.

All these terms have math based on sinusoidal phase relationships between the dielectric and magnetic fields.

BUT
what about impulse currents?
Tesla used these. I believe thats what he did with the magnetically quenched sparkgaps.
sudden spikes of energy. the same can be seen by the discharge of a capacitor dielectric field (back mmf by shortcut) or of a inductors magnetic field (back emf by opening the circuit).

Eric Dollard has understood this (from reading Steinmetz I think) and he talks about infinite "...." (power? i forgot)

A bifilar coil can produce a (resonant) sinewave of large voltage, by pulsing a nearby coil with these impulse currents.

now what is really happening here? the sinus can be explained via the formulas,
but these impulse currents are not. (as far as i know). thats why b emf and b mmf are interesting and need to be better understood.

Title: abnormal impulse currents
Post by: evostars on July 13th, 2017, 12:48 AM
how the hell can two in phase b emf impulse currents( from a toroid into a bucking coil grounded in the center), fed into a bifilar coil (so a double plus, not a plus and minus).
produce a resonant voltage rise?

both b emf pulses at the ends of the bucking coil show up as positive.
but appearently they are differnt.
Is this due to the reversed windings?
Is this a spin factor we do not yet understand?

I must say, this is amazing and abnormal.
Title: calculateting capacitance of a bifilar coil
Post by: evostars on July 13th, 2017, 03:42 AM
we can measure the inductance of a bifilar tesla coil. but what about its capacitance?

we know the resonant frequency.
and if it is true (i dont know) what tesla there is only the wire resistance left, the capacitive(negative var) and inductive (positive var) reactance have to be equal so they cancel each other out. leaving the wire resistance as impedance (in phase of the dielectric and magnetic fields) no lag or leed.

being in phase also explains the voltage rise (sum of both fields energies).

1/2pi*f*C=2pi*f*L  gives C as 1/4pi*f*f*L
f is res frequency
L is inductance
C is capacitance

correct?
if L = 0.6mH and f=600khz
than C is 0.000442097 F
is 4421uF
(need to recheck this)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 13th, 2017, 04:49 AM
4421uF is a lot of capacitance for a bifilar pancake coil.
and... how much capacitance would then be need to lower the resonant frequency by an octave (halve it).

it doesnt check out. I added 7nF in parallel and the resonant frequency dropped much lower
Title: B emf pulses and resonant bifilar coils matching
Post by: evostars on July 14th, 2017, 10:15 AM
I still believe the best way to put a bifilar pancake coil into resonance is by using the high voltage b emf pulses.

they need very little energy to create. just a simple coil that is being pulsed.

but there are some problems to overcome.
to get proper pulses of bemf we need to stay well below the resonant frequency of the pulses coil that creates the back emf. (or canwe kill the ringing with diodes, and still use the b emf?)

another challenge is to get the bemf into a bifilar coil. to get the proper power transfer, the impedance should match. (can a capacitor fix this?)

then there is the challenge of getting the resonant frequency of the bifilar down. I know this can be done by adding a capacitor in parallel, but if the frequency is to low, the voltage rise also becomes low. (the capacitance needs to be between the windings, maybe add a good dielectric).

the bEmf pulses are best around 50 to 100 khz. depending on the coil used.

so on one side we want a ringing bifilar coil, but on the other side we want not ringing b emf pulses. and in the end. it should match in frequency.

1 high voltage b emf
2 high frequency b emf
3 low frequency resonant bifilar coil
4 impedance matching so the b emf gets transferred to the resonant coil.
Title: eather standing wave current
Post by: evostars on July 15th, 2017, 06:14 AM
in regular electronics we use ac (transverse wave traveling) electric energy. this can easily pass through a capacitor.

these tranverse waves are like traveling water waves. the wave travels, but the water stands still, only moves up and down.

so the capacitor interacts with the ac wave but the water stands still.

But When using a resonant standing wave the capacitor can become hot.

If we again look at water,  with a standing wave, the water can be standing still, like in a basin. but... there is another standing wave where the wate streams past a rock.

In the last example the water ia streaming fast. In that situation using a capacitor will heat it up, because current is really streaming.

so we've got 2 different kinds of standing waves. one where the water only moves up and down ( basin) and one where the water is actually streaming (current with a rock).

so. bottom line:
water is like the ether, and can stream. this is a real current, differnt then what we use from the ac wall socket.
Title: tuning bifilar coils
Post by: evostars on July 16th, 2017, 02:11 AM
how to tune a bifilar pancake coil?

normally I add a capacitor in parallel with the coil to tune down the resonant frequency.

but Since 2 of my capacitors have melted away i wonder if there are differnt ways...

what happens when we add inductance?
what happens when we add a capacitor in series with the coil?

and what happens when we add two equal capacitors in series and parallel?

what if we use 2 capcitors, one for each winding of the bifilar?

what is we add a capacitor in series in between the windings?
Title: energy transfer logic
Post by: evostars on July 16th, 2017, 11:29 AM
if we want to tranfer energy stored in a capacitor into another capacitor, we encounter losses.

I said before that is is because the back mmf from a cap needs a coil to transfer energy into a b emf that can feed a capacitor.

the reverse is also true.
to tranfer energy from a coil into another coil we need a capacitor.
the b emf from one coil is stored in a capacitor that can produce a b mmf to feed the other coil.

So to use b emf from a coil to get another coil into resonance, we need a capacitor to tranfer the energy correctly.

dielectric b mmf (from a capacitor discharge) into a coil produces a magnetic field. the magnetic field than produces a b emf that charges the capacitor.

diodes restrict the flow of energy. from capacitor discharge via diode into inductor
via diode into capacitor

switches(also diodes) are needed for shortcutting the capacitor into the coil and opening the coil to charge the capacitor

Title: resonance
Post by: evostars on July 17th, 2017, 01:10 AM
a bifilar pancake coil has 2 strong fields.
one magnetic field
one dielectric field.

at the resonant frequency of the a bifilar pancake coil we see a large voltage rise.

is it because the dielectric and magnetic fields are exchanging energy, back and forth? is the magnetic field max when the dielectric is zero?
 would that be a parallel resonance with max impedance?

tesla in his patent 512340 states only the wire resistance is left.

so this would be a series resonant circuit, with minimum impedance at resonance.

the magnetic field normally shows up as static, meaning a compass shows north at one end and south at the other end. but that doesnt mean its static. I use positive pulses. not negative.
so it still also can be alternating back and forth.

What is the capacitance of the dielectric field at resonant frequency?
if I add a capacitor in parallel the res freq drops. can i do a calculation where i get the capacitance of the coils dielectric field of the coil it self, from measuring the changed frequency by adding a capacitor in series?

the voltage rise also changes when I add capacitance.
I never worked with kirchofs voltage law, but to formulate this correctly i might have to do it by... realising the 2 fields are one. not series not parallel. maybe try the formulas for both, at the same time.

pfff complex... but not impossible. I used to be very good at math. but i will have to practice.

It would be nice to be able to calculate the dielectric capacitance at resonant frequency.

Why?
because I want to add a capacitor that is equal in size, to the capacitance of the coil.
if that capacitor can be in phase with the dielectric field of the coil, and we pulse the capacitor(at res freq), the energy going back and forth from dielectric to magnetic, is double the input. because the dielectric from the coil adds up the dielectric enerfy from the cap if they are in phase.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 17th, 2017, 01:46 AM
when adding capacitance to lower the resonant frequency, if seen the voltage rise becoming bigger, to a certain point, and then becoming lower.

this support the previous post.
when I add the right capacitance, the coltage rise should be maxed out.

since I now have 22 caps in series, I can look for this frequency more easily, by shortcutting caps and looking for the maximum resonant voltage rise (no calculations needed).
I the capacitance becomes less instead of more, i simply add more capacitance
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 18th, 2017, 05:36 AM
I've got a 500pF variable air capacitor.
what if I submerge it into oil with a high dielectric constant?
the capacitance should rise. making it a 1 or maybe 2 or 3 nF variable capacitor.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 18th, 2017, 04:02 PM
rough sketch needs more details...

left: joulethief gets dc and charges capacitor A. (and keeps running)

capacitor A is discharged by IGBT (20 duty) into coil 1. diode is closed.

igbt opens: cap A charged by joulethief.

coil 1 b emf opens diode, pulses resonant ringing cap B and coil 2.
coil 1 dielectric collapse assists magnetic rise (southpole) of coil B.

coil 1 and 2 should be closely connected.
coil 1 has added ferrite on left side to increase inductance.

coil 2 and cap B keep ringing. (diode is? if problem, than switch)
ferrite between coil 2 and 3 to link magnetic fields.

coil 3 is output tuned with cap c. rectified into cap bank D provided with load.

needs more work
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 18th, 2017, 05:59 PM
I've been struggling with this same concept for days now.  Can't figure out how to connect carc electrically since it is already connected magnetically.  It can't be that difficult.  I need another set of untainted eyes to look at it and tell me something I'm missing.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 19th, 2017, 03:37 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on July 18th, 2017, 05:59 PM
I've been struggling with this same concept for days now.  Can't figure out how to connect carc electrically since it is already connected magnetically.  It can't be that difficult.  I need another set of untainted eyes to look at it and tell me something I'm missing.
try try try keep trying
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 19th, 2017, 03:39 AM
I've got 22 good caps. but need 3 tuned coils. gonna try 3x 7 caps.
maybe this gives less voltage. due to lower tuning.

i want 2 parallel output coils out of phase to create maximum voltage, and see if i can load it to keep the voltage down.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 19th, 2017, 10:40 AM
can we see a bifilar coil as a series connected coil-capacitor-coil?

than if we add a capacitor in parallel to the coil, is it better to use 2 caps? one for each winding?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 20th, 2017, 03:39 PM
I use a 12v 1 A powersupply with my igbt pulse driver.
it creates 90V pulses frim a 2200uf capacitor discharge into the primary.
resulting in a resonant sine wave in the secondary bifilar coil of 450V pp

to tune down i need high voltage caps.
the voltage rise is doubled at a certain capacity/frequency. this high voltage requires even higher spec capacitors (wima mkt10 1000v ac) ar a series connected cap.

or... I use a lower voltage/current capacitor discharge into the primary.
this way I can research easier and safer due to the lower voltage rise.

I tried to use my regulated power supply before but it didnt work. maybe it was due to grounding problems. I will try again with positive connected to ground as that seemed to fix my problems before.
(i still think its very odd to have to ground positive instead of negative)
Title: closed looped bucking coil
Post by: evostars on July 21st, 2017, 12:38 AM
woke up last night to my neighbors having "fun" :blank:

had a thought:
can we strip away a magnetic field, en leave its dielectric component in a toroid coil, if we wrap a bucking torroid around it and close the loop on it self?
like a single piece of wire, closed looped, one half clockwise and the other half counter clockwise (bucking).

Steinmetz and Dollard said in a closed loop the magnetic field doesnt need energy to keep existing.

would this cancel the magnetic component out?  and leave the dielectric?

if so (speculation)
could we then use capacitors, to change the phase shift of the dielectric to line up with the bemf if a motor? making the motor work on displacement currents of the dielectric fields?
Title: discharge with relais
Post by: evostars on July 23rd, 2017, 03:59 AM
i can charge a cap to high voltage with resonant oit of phase bifilar coils.

could I disconnect the caps from the resonant circuit with a relais and discharge them(partly) into a step down tranformer?

pulsing the transformer with the cap diacharge and using the lower voltage higher current to charge a battery again?

when i switch back the cap to the resonant coil, will it keep resonating, only clip if the top?

still the resonant coil would need more power. it needs current.
Title: using b emf from bifilar
Post by: evostars on July 23rd, 2017, 12:34 PM
im pulsing a bifilar primary by discharging a capacitor in it, charging its magnetic field with its mmf, and using the b emf pulse
to get the secondary bifilar in resonance.

but the bemf energy can also be stored into  another capacitor via a diode.
or.. the bemf can be straight redirected via a diode into another bifilar coil on the other side of the resonant center coil (3 coil stack).

this time the b emf charges the dielectric field of the bifilar coil(because its bemf from the coil, and not bmmf from a cap)

with each pulse we give the energy is used double. from cap to coil to coil.
the dielectric charged bifilar can also again charge the first capacitor. making the circle complete.
capacitor bmmf into coil magnetic field, coil bemf into 2nd coil making dielectric field.
bmmf of 2nd coil into capacitor.
 this all happens within one pulse.
a fast diode is needed.

at the same time the center coil is pulsed from both sides. gaining resonance.

if the resonant coil is tuned right to its maximum voltage rise (by adding the right size cap in parallel) the magnetic field is a ring toroid around the coil, being spun up from both sides from the b emf amd b mmf of both coils magnetic and dielectric fields.

1 close switch:magnetise coil nr1 from capacitor. diode is blocking
2 open switch diode opens passing b emf from coil nr1 to coil nr 2. charging its dielectric field from bemf. (rotation spinning action)
3 bemf from coil nr 1 is transformed in to b mmf in coil nr2 (dielectric field cant be stored in coil so collapses again)
4 b emf from collapsing coil nr2 is fed to 1 plate of the capacitor again through a blocking diode that opens from the bemf.

5 process is restarted with 1.

6 center coil is put into resonance. can be tapped into with diode rectifier into large capacitor

one switch 2 fast diodes a capacitor 3 bifilar pancake coils.


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 23rd, 2017, 01:14 PM
the second coil to be able to handle the bmmf should be tuned down with a parallel capacitor.

the center resonant coil should also be tuned by a parallel capacitor

Im bad with diode directions... could ve mistaken. the inter diode of the igbt is placed over the switch. not good. but the bemf should be able te be redirected into the second coil
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 23rd, 2017, 01:17 PM
due to the way i made my primary coil the second coil should be 2 coils in series(or parallel...
one on each side of the center resonant coil
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 23rd, 2017, 04:33 PM
Curious Evo, your schematic looks like you have a feedback loop.  What I'm interested in is if the feedback, being back EMF (cold electricity), tries to fight the forward EMF (hot electricity) from the DC power source.  Or do the two EMFs seem to coexist peacefully together?

I was under the impression from other people's work, like Ruslan & Akula, that you had to feed the back EMF through a universal power supply in order to get hot electricity that you could then drive the whole the system with.  Same as I suspect Nelson was working on in this video(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0roz9qz0g).  Also recall Nelson's first Radiant Box(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u81edIeqIY), actually two boxes--I think one of them is more of a power conditioner, cold to hot electricity.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 24th, 2017, 01:04 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on July 23rd, 2017, 04:33 PM
Curious Evo, your schematic looks like you have a feedback loop.  What I'm interested in is if the feedback, being back EMF (cold electricity), tries to fight the forward EMF (hot electricity) from the DC power source.  Or do the two EMFs seem to coexist peacefully together?

I was under the impression from other people's work, like Ruslan & Akula, that you had to feed the back EMF through a universal power supply in order to get hot electricity that you could then drive the whole the system with.  Same as I suspect Nelson was working on in this video(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0roz9qz0g).  Also recall Nelson's first Radiant Box(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u81edIeqIY), actually two boxes--I think one of them is more of a power conditioner, cold to hot electricity.
I really dont know. miggt be true you need to recondition it.

what I have seen is i can charge a capacitor or battery with the rectified sine wave.

but when i charged the battery which ran the igbt with a feed back loop it did kept it voltage stable (cop0.999) but i could see the resonant sine al over the system.
I got a bit scared because the igbt circuit works on maximum 30v and the pulse generator at 5V. still it worked fine. with the resonant high frequency sine (or was it rectified could not really see or remember) all over the place. every where i probed i saw it.

same with the diodes. they do rectify, but at the same time its asof the resonant sine passes over the diode (outside).

i tried several diodes in series an parallel, but one diode always was best. gave the most voltage in the cap.

but that was a resonant sine wave.
this idea works with impulse back emf/mmf
the cold and hot (both burn my skin) come together in the cap, as long as the right polarity is there and one side is grounded it should be good. or else another diode between the cap and dc power supply
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 24th, 2017, 01:30 AM
i just realised when i tried to self run from a 12v battery putting a secondary bifilar into resonance, rectify it back into the battery,
and it kept is charge

it did not recollect the b emf if the primary

hmm.
and now with this new idea of the back emf into the cap... i forgot the resonant coil.

possibilities... what would reality think of my idea?
Title: resonant energy transfer
Post by: evostars on July 24th, 2017, 09:42 AM
with a high voltage resonant sine from a bifilar coil, i can charge a capacitor to high voltage. the question then is, how to get it out.

the cap can partly discharge by being disconnected from the resonant circuit and connected to another capacitor.

but the transfer from cap to cap is only ideal when a coil is used for the tranfer of energy. again a diode is used for the one way direction of energy.

once the cap has reached a certain charge(voltage) it can be loaded.

its about disconnecting the load from the resonant circuit.

to do this properly timing is of the essence.
the resonant voltage is clipped of when charging the first capacitor.
the charge and discharge time of this capacitor must be set to the ideal point.

ideal meaning: the resonant sine has maximum charge power (if it is clipped of to low the ppwer drops) at the same time the voltage charge in the capacitor should not be maximum, because of the time constant.
when the cap is almost full the voltage rise slows down alot. so here alse is an ideal point.

this is good, because now the maximum voltage will never be reached (and we can use cheaper component that can handle the lower voltage).

the voltage on the second capacitor (bank) can be much lower, to get a proper transfer of energy. at the same time it can have a very large capacitance.

this charging and discharging of the capacitor is essential but maybe im running to far ahead of myself.
In the end it should work with sensors to make it automatic. but first....

dinner :excited:
Title: dielectric transformer
Post by: evostars on July 24th, 2017, 09:56 PM
we know magnetic transformers all to well
coupled by magnetic flux via a core.

what about dielectric transformers?

I use 22 capacitors in series to tune down the resonant frequency of a bifilar coil, and the can handle high voltage

what if i alternate these capacitors with 21 series capacitors. not wired together.

ABABABABABABABABABABA

A being a series connected set
B being a series connected set

A and B coupled by the dielectric field lines

since A is a resonant tuned system the field is also measured outside, so B should see it.

this whould need to be a high voltage resonant sine. and maybe the capacitor should be made with 4 layers.
ABAB
this could be made with aluminim foil to see if this works.

this is in line with Townsend thomas brown,
who used high voltage capacitors to produce propulsion.

the capacitor stack could also be a stack of bifilar pancake coils, as they have the strong dielectric field (bifilar pancake as capacitor)
Title: alternating bemf pulses
Post by: evostars on July 26th, 2017, 12:22 AM
I've been looking for a way to make these pulses, this video might do the trick.
just hav to make it solid state with a 1:1 toroid

https://youtu.be/Xs8NZ0EYgOg
Title: reusing b emf
Post by: evostars on July 26th, 2017, 11:28 AM
how long can we keep re-using back emf from a high inductance coil?

so far what i have seen is storing the b emf in a capacitor but then the energy is stuck in time.

can we keep it flowing?

the bifilar coil has high capacitance due to its windings. so we can partly see it as a capacitor. it only doesnt store the energy in time like a capacitor would.
but it does ring at its resonant frequency, if the conditions are right.

but what are these conditions?
normally a coil rings best when it is free from loads (like a bell ringing free in the air, hanging only from the top where the resonance isnt acting).
the bell stops ringing fast when its vibrating parts are fixated by wooden blocks.

the same for a b emf pulsed bifilar coil.
if w pulse the b emf into a capacitor, that is part of the resonant system of a bifilar coil, we can make it ring.

but then it seems to be done with the energy, or should we discharge this ringing coil again by opening its windings?

keep letting the energy going back and forth between the 2 coils.

in the meantime in between there is a free resonant coil than can  be tapped into..

pfff i dont know... ill have to see how for this would work.

does a resonant bifilar coil ring longer, when one side is conneced to earth via series connected capacitor?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 26th, 2017, 12:13 PM
The only thing I'm certain of is we must achieve parametric oscillation.

The ringing (radiant) energy has to be somehow collected and sent immediately back to the hammer, so the next thump is more powerful than the previous.
Quote from Nelson Rocha
No, I do not charge caps with the output, but I discharge caps to have output :) but that caps first need to be full  :)  is the reason to I say that systems have more that one stage and should not be understood like just one process, but a combination of several process.

Yes, I use nano-pulses but made by own design; their action is to create a heavy unipolar pulse that make a very sharp pulse in a coil in a combination of series/parallel resonance. That effect is managed by a parametric oscillator that regulate how stronger is the pulses applied to a coil and the frequency used.  The pulses will increase in their intensity after some seconds system start working and charges start be collected in other stage of circuit, make pulses going stronger and stronger, oscillation after oscillation.

Hope my answers could help you about your doubts.
We can be pretty sure the series/parallel resonance he is talking about is the CARC--concept pretty much encapsulated within a bifilar pancake coil.

The way I think of this is we have a power source connected across a filter/storage cap that is charged to provide us the initial thump to get things started.  In series with this first filter/storage cap is a second filter/storage cap, depleted at first, but later charged by the output we collect.  The nano-pulser takes its input from these two series filter/storage caps.  Initially, one of them is flat and acts only as a shunt until it becomes charged and begins to augment the total input power to the nano-pulser.

The ringing (radiant energy) caused from the nano-pulser we pass through the CARC to double its potential.  The collector coil(s) picks this up where it is rectified and placed in the second filter/storage capacitor.  This second filter/storage capacitor begins to charge adding up potential from the first filter/storage capacitor, which increases the potential the nano-pulser can draw from.  Therefore each pulse from the nano-pulser increases in intensity, causing larger and larger ringing (more & more radiant energy), magnified by the CARC, collected and recycled back.

At some point we need protection/regulation for the second filter/storage capacitor, without it, the system will enter into a runaway condition and self-destruct.  I suspect a simple resistor or spark gap would be sufficient to keep this second filter/storage cap from charging above a certain potential.  We can also alter the interval of the nano-pulser as the voltage input climbs to regulate the system--this is essentially how switching power supplies work to achieve output voltage regulation.  We have two variables here we can adjust:  The pulse width and the duration between pulses.  Both of these parameters will control how much radiant energy is received by the collector coil(s).

When analyzed carefully, I really don't see a great deal of complexity in Nelson's system.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.  The question is:  Can we follow this design and make it work?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 27th, 2017, 12:22 PM
its still a lot of guessing Matt.
The idea's are good, but I don't even have a nano pulser that can create kV pulses to start.

It's good inspiration, but I'll take it step by step. Nelson is way ahead of me, I need to stay on my own path.
experiment after experiment.

protecting the caps from over voltage with a safety sparkgap seems a good idea. resistors kill the resonance.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 27th, 2017, 01:14 PM
Nelson is way ahead of both of us then.

I tried following the design I outlined above--no joy.  The power supply current is two orders of magnitude greater than the current I recycle back.  Second capacitor never fills.  No chance of parametric oscillation going that route.

Looking at the information we have to go on, it's apparent we must use one of the pancake coils to make a powerful magnetic field while at the same time collect the back EMF from it.  The second pancake coil then gets hit with two source of energy, magnetic from the first coil and dielectric from the collected back EMF.  Controlling and synchronizing all this is going to be pretty difficult unless we find some trick we're not aware of.  And if that isn't tough enough, then we need that third output coil to be perfectly tuned.  The output coil must collect enough power to begin feeding some of it back to the source, else we will never achieve parametric oscillation.  From what I can see so far, the current we collect from the output coil has to exceed the current the power supply is pushing in.  It all becomes a little disconcerting since we know generating a powerful magnetic field is going to require lots of current.  Oh dear...
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 27th, 2017, 02:37 PM
i think its about powerfull back emf. not from a power consuming magnetic field but from a trick with the b emf that amplifies it into the kilo volt range. how?
i really dont know.

since we know so little of ring toroids,
I wonder how we can spin one up?

if the carc bifilar phi hole produces a rimg toroid, how does the field inter action look?
a back emf is a dielectric event, that might give the ring toroid a push that speeds it up.

and the output coil, if tuned proper, might still also speed up the ring toroid.

still lots to learn.

 eric dolard said something beautiful here at 8min50 sec.
ending with " neutralise inertia"

https://youtu.be/SEi6L42nz3k

sorry for the typos in many of my posts. I work from my mobile and its not always the best way. but its direct. and i like that

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 27th, 2017, 02:53 PM
hold up wait!
i remeber we can step up b emf with a step up tranformer!

nelsons published circuit
the joulethief generating bemf,
that is being stepped up via the transformer. it gives a sine output,
but when rectified there was again that high voltage pulse
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 28th, 2017, 02:18 PM
this nice image i found in one of the many tesla books. you can read the tekst.

I find it very interesting to see the coils side by side (on the left)

this again reminds me of the telsa turbine patents.

The bifilar speaker wire side by side coils, have the dielectric field in between the windings.
when we stack multiple coils(parallel connected), the windings always have a voltage difference on both sides, so there is a dielectric field between all the windings.

the total inductance of the coils should drop due to the parallel connections. providing more and more dielectric field energy.

when tuning the phi ratio coil, i had to add 10nF to get maximum resonant voltage rise.
but what if i stacked some coils and patallel connected them. would i need less added parallel capacitance, due to the bigger capacitance to inductance ratio?

And if a ring toroid would form, i assume the stack would need to "fit" inside the ring toroid, or would it adjust?


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 28th, 2017, 09:00 PM
I wonder if we should follow along with Luc but use these pancake coils as the transmitter/receiver pair

https://youtu.be/kndYHIHSAE8

edit: video is back online replaced new link
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 29th, 2017, 03:20 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on July 28th, 2017, 09:00 PM
I wonder if we should follow along with Luc but use these pancake coils as the transmitter/receiver pairs...?
I already tried. But the bifilar windings acts different, due to the dielectric field being between the windings.
With a single wire coil, the top capacitance is the emitter of the dielectric field.
As can be seen in the video, when the dielectric field has a place to flow into (the resonant coil with lamps) the current of the transmitter coil drops down. This is displacement current.
If the displacement current isnt flowing, the current of the transmittter has to push harder, as the dielectric field cant flow properly
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on July 31st, 2017, 04:00 PM
if i have a 10nf 400V ac capacitor with 0.1ohm esr

is that the same as 4 series parallel connected equal capacitors? but with a 800V ac rating? still 10nF and 0.1 ohm esr?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on July 31st, 2017, 09:23 PM
High voltage variable (tunable) capacitors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR1HN0GZ4IQ

Thank you Mr. Choquette .
Title: series parallel resonance, current amplification
Post by: evostars on August 2nd, 2017, 05:39 AM
Thats a way to do it, but its hard to tune, if the aluminium were movable plates, it could be tuned by changing the surface area.

I added a parallel capacitor to my Phi ratio side by side bifilar speaker wire pancake coil.
the voltage rise goes way up, and also the current draw goes up.

Title: Steinmetz about bifilar coil
Post by: evostars on August 3rd, 2017, 01:24 PM
Quote from Steinmetz out of his 1911 book:
In a stationary oscillation of a circuit having uniformly distributed capacity and inductance, That is, the transient of a circuit is storing energy in the dielectric and magnetic field, current and voltage are given by the expression:
then he goes on... read 2 pages in the attached pdf.

A bifilar coil at resonance has these conditions. so the formulas apply to the bifilar coil.

Another quote out of his 1911 book:
Such a transient wave is analogous to the permanent wave of reactive power. As in a stationary (standing) wave, current and voltage ar in quadrature with each other, the question then arises, whether, and what physical meaning a wave has, in which current and voltage are in phase with each other

My god. this is what I have been saying and thinking for a long time. In my words, the resonant voltage rise of the bifilar coil, is due to the magnetic and dielectric fields being in phase, where by the energy of the magnetic field is added up to the dielectric field energy. Because of the big capacity of the the bifilar coil, this explains why the resonant voltage rise can be so big.

In another part of Steinmetz 1911 book, he also talks about b emf, from a coil. explaining the voltage rise. the higher the resistance over the coil the shorter the time, the higher the voltage rise. And stating, just as Eric dollard states, A open circuit(infinite resistance) results in infinit voltage rise, due to the infinite short time.

What my worry is when i want to use Back EMF, is my IGBT is protected from b emf by a diode. So to make it work, a 1:1 transformer should do the trick. The IGBT can pulse one side, while the other side produces a potent back emf, to be shot via diodes into the parallel capacitor of the tuned bifilar coil. the two diodes keep the resonance going in the bifilar coil/capacitor, as they keep the resonance away from the 1:1 transformer.

If it works, the 1:1 bemf coil, should be replaced by a bifilar coil producing b emf, but it cant be switched by a diode protected IGBT, if i want the resirect the B emf into the tuned coil

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 3rd, 2017, 04:51 PM
I think the secret lies in Steinmetz's diagram.

Notice the slope of A, B, C & D.  What I suspect we are stumbling into is the fall-time of our switch (IGBT).  It's like A.  But we want to use it to excite a resonant circuit with a wavelength closer to C.  We need to slow our switch down.  I think this can be done by using a resistor/capacitor RC snubber across the switch.  This will do two things:  Flatten the back EMF spike and make the quarter or half wave resonance match that of the second coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 4th, 2017, 01:23 AM
maybe Matt, but I dont think so. rather the opposite.
I think using a fast switch without diode makes the following possible:
charge a bifilar coil to a strong magnetic field that creates a strong back emf.

the magnetic strong field is inducing current in the next bifilar coil(carc) and the strong back EMF from the magnetic field collapse is again feeding the capacitor of the carc coil.
the complete energy of the first coil is fed into the carc.

but then the carc is amplifying the current, due to the series capacitance of the bifilar coil and the parallel capacitor being in phase(and being fed by back emf).

then the output coil next to the carc, picks up on the strong amplified magnetic and dielectric field, due to resonance (if tuned properly)

the resonance of the Carc is therefor created by a magnetic field and a dielectric field(from back emf).
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 4th, 2017, 01:45 AM
so instead of using my igbt with a 1:1 torroid
i want to use a mosfet without protection diode, straight into a bifilar coil so it can produce back emf into the second (carc) coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 4th, 2017, 05:21 PM
Tried the RC snubber thing and you are correct Evo, that's a dead end.


More experimenting did find an answer you were looking for though.  I pulsed the bifilar coil and dumped all the back EMF into a lamp.  I thought by doing this it would completely zero the output from the collector coil, but it didn't.  I get a small bump.  So we can produce a magnetic field (though small) in addition to collecting the back EMF.

First scopeshot is with no back EMF lamp connected.  This is the normal ringing I get from the collector coil.

Second scopeshot is with the lamp connected.  Notice the bump when the switch opens.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 5th, 2017, 03:01 AM
thanks for sharing Matt.
looks like the resonant frequency is around 1.5 MHz am I correct?

I saw the same thing. the back EMF can be tapped, collected and used, without destroying the resonant sine.

but I cant feed the bemf straight into the next coil. maybe I need to convert the spike to a sine first. or like Nelson said,
charge a cap and discharge the cap.

that cap would be the parallel cap from the carc bifilar.

or i need more inductance. I tried to get high votage b emf. but the bifilar quickly saturates. add some ferrite?

or... is the first coil pulsed with b emf from a coil into a cap.... (probably both... add ferrite, use bemf collected in cap to pulse coil, collected bemf again and feed to CARC.

how far could we go with re-using b emf?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 5th, 2017, 08:59 AM
We for sure need parametric oscillation, that's a given.  To get it, we need a summator.  What is a summator?

It's an electrical circuit that takes as input two disparate power sources and combines them into a single output that is the sum total of the two inputs.  Think of a big 12 volt lead acid battery combined with a little 1.5 volt penlight battery--you can't just wire them together.

The concept seems simple enough, but is actually more complex than I had initially thought.  You cannot gang together two power sources because the stronger one will always try to reverse power the weaker one.  I learned this when charging two capacitors in series with back EMF.  Doesn't work the way we want at all.

So I'm proposing a possible solution here.  We time slice and multiplex the two power sources.

Suppose we charge two capacitors with the two inputs up to a particular voltage level.  One will charge faster than the other.  When one of them is charged and the other is not, we fire the charged one into a coil/transformer like any common DC-2-DC converter based on some clock signal.  So in this instance, the stronger input power predominately passes through the summator.  So how do we get the weaker input power to contribute?

At some point the weaker power input will finally charge its capacitor up to the preset voltage level we have defined.  When this finally happens, then and only then do we gang the two capacitors together and fire them both, giving us a power burst for that particular cycle.

The beauty of this concept is that the weaker and stronger sources can switch places.  Initially the main power source would be considerably stronger than the feedback power source, but at some point the feedback would actually overtake the main power source--this is where OU operation would begin to take over.

Now that I know we can collect the back EMF while at the same time producing a magnetic field that will induce a current in a collector coil, I'm beginning to see how this could all work together.  If we use the back EMF to drive the CARC coil, then take the power from the collector coil and feed the summator, that's one possible solution and probably the most likely to work.  We will still need some sort of current limiting to put a cap on this feedback loop, otherwise it could take off and self destruct, which it should do left unchecked if we have everything right.

Anyway, I have something here to work on for a while that I'm pretty certain we are going to need in order to make this project a success.  Nelson didn't explicitly tell us about it, let alone how to do it, so I'll work on a solution and put it through some paces to see if my idea will actually work as I envision it.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 5th, 2017, 10:49 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on August 5th, 2017, 08:59 AM
We for sure need parametric oscillation, that's a given.  To get it, we need a summator.  What is a summator?

It's an electrical circuit that takes as input two disparate power sources and combines them into a single output that is the sum total of the two inputs.  Think of a big 12 volt lead acid battery combined with a little 1.5 volt penlight battery--you can't just wire them together.

The concept seems simple enough, but is actually more complex than I had initially thought.  You cannot gang together two power sources because the stronger one will always try to reverse power the weaker one.  I learned this when charging two capacitors in series with back EMF.  Doesn't work the way we want at all.

So I'm proposing a possible solution here.  We time slice and multiplex the two power sources.

Suppose we charge two capacitors with the two inputs up to a particular voltage level.  One will charge faster than the other.  When one of them is charged and the other is not, we fire the charged one into a coil/transformer like any common DC-2-DC converter based on some clock signal.  So in this instance, the stronger input power predominately passes through the summator.  So how do we get the weaker input power to contribute?

At some point the weaker power input will finally charge its capacitor up to the preset voltage level we have defined.  When this finally happens, then and only then do we gang the two capacitors together and fire them both, giving us a power burst for that particular cycle.

The beauty of this concept is that the weaker and stronger sources can switch places.  Initially the main power source would be considerably stronger than the feedback power source, but at some point the feedback would actually overtake the main power source--this is where OU operation would begin to take over.

Now that I know we can collect the back EMF while at the same time producing a magnetic field that will induce a current in a collector coil, I'm beginning to see how this could all work together.  If we use the back EMF to drive the CARC coil, then take the power from the collector coil and feed the summator, that's one possible solution and probably the most likely to work.  We will still need some sort of current limiting to put a cap on this feedback loop, otherwise it could take off and self destruct, which it should do left unchecked if we have everything right.

Anyway, I have something here to work on for a while that I'm pretty certain we are going to need in order to make this project a success.  Nelson didn't explicitly tell us about it, let alone how to do it, so I'll work on a solution and put it through some paces to see if my idea will actually work as I envision it.
sounds good matt although I cant completely follow your train of thoughts.

very interesting you say the bemf cant charge a series capacitor bank.

I use series capacitors to get the 10nF.
would it be the bemf only can charge one plate of the cap?

I keep thinking the back emf might be recycled in a resonant circle. back and forth again and again.
Title: reversed hall effect
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 06:10 AM
with a square wave the current only changes when the pulse is turning high voltage or turning low voltage.

when the voltage is high, there is no change in current. when the voltage is low, there is no  change in current.

only when the voltage changes, the current  changes.

if we use a 1:1 torroid tranformer and use a square wave, the other coil is coupled by the induced magnet field of the toroid.

so the secondary doesnt produce any output when the voltage and current of the primary are stable.

the secondairy shows the large b emf spike when the magnetic field of the toroid collapses.

these spikes have polarity. with a diode we can capture these induced voltage spikes into a capacitor.

if we disconnect this capacitor and reconnect it to a bifilar coil and discharge the capacitor, we dont have the useless dc part of the square wave in the coil. we only have the sharp instant back emf "hammers" ringing the resonant coil next to it
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 11:04 AM
the coil that produces the back emf is not beimg pulsed at its resonant frequency, but at a much lower frequency.
this makes it able to create the b emf spike.

the b emf spike is captured in a capacitor, that is discharged parallel over the next bifilar coil.

but this discharging capacitor forms the resonant circuit with that coil. because of the parallel tuning, the resonant frequency is much lower than the first coil.

so from this coil, there is no back emf spike  because it is tuned into resonance.

this coil not only recieves energy from the parallel capacitor charged with b emf from the first coil, but also from the energy motion of the collapsing field next to it.

until now i used series connected caps. but as Matt Watts pointed out,
you cant capture b emf into (all) the series connected caps.

so i need 1 capacitor to be charged with b emf from the first coil, instead of 22 ...

also. to create bemf i need more inductance on the first coil. add some FERRITE. i dont know where to buy it. so i might grind down some ferrite rods and create some ferrite paint with epoxy resin.

or... smash and grind some magnets, and heat the powder so it looses its magnetism
Title: Re: idea's the
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 11:11 AM
the field collapse of the first coil creates b emf but the energy motion is also picked ip by the next coil.

when the b emf capacitor is discharged into the next coil forming a tuned resonamt circuit,
the first coil should be charged magneticly again.

this way the both coils get energised.
but can this be done with 1 capacitor?
if we want to keep the coil ringing the parallel cap needs to stay connected.

but to charge the cap with back emf from the first coil, it should be disconnected.

or should it?
maybe a diode is the only thing needed.
to pass the b emf energy into the resonant coil and at the same time keep the resonant coil with the parallel cap separated from the first coil
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 11:59 AM
checked to be sure.
i can charge 2 series capacitors with b emf
so matt. maybe you got a bad connection?
Title: back emf
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM
fun thing is the 2 4700uF 16v series caps charged to 48V dc while the scope only showed a 6v back emf spike.

this means the scope simply cant show the fast back emf event properly. its to quick and to high voltage
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 12:05 PM
holy moly
the b emf goes way up when i ground the negative side.
 going to need differnt caps.

lets use those 22 series caps forming 10nF
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 6th, 2017, 12:17 PM
Quote from evostars on August 6th, 2017, 11:59 AM
i can charge 2 series capacitors with b emf
so matt. maybe you got a bad connection?
Haha.  As long as they are balanced, they'll charge.  Flatten one of them and see if will charge.

I spent hours making sparks, lighting bulbs, playing with this and I'm quite certain what I saw.  The fullest cap wants to take on more charge and the empty cap would rather just be a shunt.

If you are seeing something different, then my back EMF wasn't the same as your back EMF.  That's something we better be sure of it it's true.

Are you collecting the back EMF by way of a diode like I was?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 6th, 2017, 12:23 PM
ah that was it. i didnt discharge one of the caps. just a 1:1 ring toroid
one side to igbt switch

other side collecting bemf via diode into cap connected to other side of coil and ground
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 6th, 2017, 04:13 PM
I'm doing my back EMF tests with the side-by-side coils, power on each coil, switch in between, so that each half of the coil acts like a capacitor plate.  Switch completes the circuit, high voltage lamp across the switch to collect the back EMF when the switch opens.

You can see the very faint glow of the lamp when the switch is not operating.  When the switch is operating, the lamp lights brilliantly.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 7th, 2017, 12:58 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on August 6th, 2017, 04:13 PM
I'm doing my back EMF tests with the side-by-side coils, power on each coil, switch in between, so that each half of the coil acts like a capacitor plate.  Switch completes the circuit, high voltage lamp across the switch to collect the back EMF when the switch opens.

You can see the very faint glow of the lamp when the switch is not operating.  When the switch is operating, the lamp lights brilliantly.
thats great! yummy!

brings me to the idea;
collect bemf of 1st coil (open switch1)
into parallel caps of coil 2 (switch 2 open)
close switch 2, discharge caps into coil 2 and let it ring.

switch in the middle like you said Matt.

switch 1 and 2 can synchronous.
i guess another switch for the caps to collect b emf of coil 1 and discharge into coil 2?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 7th, 2017, 01:35 AM
Matt what you said reminded me of a quote from nelson rocha:
About your test i'm glad that you could duplicate yourself the " apparently "magnetic  field exclusion with your new configuration ;) nice ! Hope you explore this theme and see if that  are only made by high frequency , or something more happen ;) like stack other pancake coil and look to that like one capacitor exchanging charges between each plate  (two pancake coils ) .

it was in reply to my message stating:   
I have made a car ignition coil, with a radio ferrite rod (so it workes with high frequencies). Making use of the back emf to pulse the bifilar coils.
Works like a charm. no more magnetic field! (finaly fixed it, i wondered what did that in your coils).
 


So... i did so much research i forgot i already had it working with back emf.

now with your knowledge matt, lets see what happens if we feed those coils with back emf, and open them up in the middle.

another quote from me from that message:I also saw tinmans video stating the center connection has more voltage. I tested, and indeed. MUCH more voltage.   

totally forgot it... so glad i found it again.

i probed the center tap with the back emf fed coil and the voltage... spiked.



Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 7th, 2017, 01:52 AM
I looked up that date in my old lab notebook and found this entry:

I  found a radio freq ferrite rod, with a bifilar winding around it. I wound a second bifilar winding around the coil, and connected it to the igbt driver. At low frequencies the current was high, but with high enough frequencies, the current dropped. I used a square wave, at 67% duty. The collapsing field is pushed out via the inside coil. This coil is connected via both wires to the bifilar coil.
The resonant voltage was good, again around 450V sine wave.  Measured with top and bottom coil stacked, outside rim connected, inside rim measured, while the other end is grounded.
I then removed the plastic from the bridge, and I saw the voltage go offscale. I tried to scale down, but is was insanely high. So the bridge does provide the highest voltage in the coil.
Rather spacial! ...
Another special thing. No more magnetic field! BAM


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 7th, 2017, 06:33 AM
i found that double bifilar rod that created the back emf into the resonant coil.

the primary pulsed coil is spaced wide. the secondary underneath has much more windings.

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 7th, 2017, 01:55 PM
a coil pulsed with the back emf of a secondary can get another coil into resonamce as i today again have seen.

the 500V pp resonant sine (parallel tuned coil 123khz) normally produces a strong magnetic field. but now the compass does not point inwards. it doesnt move at all.

to me this means the back emf is pure dielectric energy. the bifilar coil can interact with this energy due to its large capacitance. So in this case the coil acts 100% like a capacitor. only dielectric energy flows between the windings, without any magnetic component.

now the bifilar coil has become a capacitor.

the question Nelson asked, what is different?

if this is a capacitor, could it work as a plate? as he suggested. what happens in another coil next to it? will it act as another plate. I assume the coil would need to be tuned to the same resonant frequency.

but what then? is there a displacement current inbetween both coils? can we tap into that?

Normally the current draw is big with the tuned coil. is that still so now i use the back emf and it has no magnetic field at resonance
Title: help needed on phase lagged switching
Post by: evostars on August 8th, 2017, 03:54 PM
in reply of the last post:  the current is still high when using back emf. pretty logical as i use a magnetic field to generate back emf spikes.

now for more results:

there seem to be 2 kinds of resonant sine waves. one based on the magnetic field (coil is pulsed) (compass needle is strongly attracted to the center at resonance)

the other resonance is based on the dielectric field produced by the back emf of the pulsed coil. (this resonance does not produce a swing on the compass needle)

I compared both resonant sine waves (dielectric and magnetic) seperatly in
relation to the square wave that creates it.

there is a phase lag of 3/4 (or 1/4) phase between the dielectric and magnetic resonant sine waves.

So if i use the back emf from the magnetic pulse, i need to store it into a capacitor for 3/4 phase and then discharge it into the already magnetic resonant coil.

but... how to time this?

my igbt has a back emf protection diode so... that maybe could be used for switching the capacitor into the magnetic resonant coil. but how to time this properly at 166khz?

the high inductance magnetic coil producing the big back emf, should be switched by something without a protection diode, to capture al the back emf into the capacitor.
again the switching. the timing is different as the resonant magnetic sine is timed differnet in relation to the dielectric resonance.

the capacitor needs proper switching. first connect to the magnetic coil capture the back emf. a diode can keep the back emf stored in the cap while conmected to the coil.

then the coil has to connect to the already magnetic resonant middle coil. at the right time at 3/4 phase of the magnetic rrsonamt sine wave phase.

that switch needs to switch back fast in 1/4 phase to be able to capture the next back emf...

this all at a really fine tuned 166khz. the Q is pretty high.

so the frequency of both switches is the same. only the phase lag between switching should be able to be controlled.

Help! does anybody know how to do this?
or do i really need a expensive dual channel phase generator? there must be an easy trick ...

Please PM me if you have a tip on this.
thanks

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 04:22 AM
at what phase angle should the back emf charged capacitor, be discharged into the already resonant coil (resonant from the pulsed coil creating back emf)

if the parallel tuned coil has resonance, would there be an exchange of field energy between the magnetic field and the dielectric field?

 what do we see on the scope? a sine. but is the sine representative of the maximum of the magnetic field or the maximum of the dielectric field energy?

if it is magnetic, than the dielectric energy would be max if the sine amplitude is zero. and vice versa.


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 04:36 AM
but in classic resonance there is a quarter phase lag and lead producing power. current and voltage are 90 degrees separated.

if i remember correct voltage comes first to a max Then current comes to a max.
with a sine wave.

but now we work with square waves.

the voltage is max
the current climbs to max (builds up magnetic field)
then the voltage goes low, current stops instantly, back emf spike releases magnetic field energy.

so to add the back emf into the resonant sine, it should be stored into a cap during the off cycle of the square wave, and released
....?

I simply admit I dont know. I have thought out so many things and have been wrong so many times...

experimenting wil show the correct answer.
but.. how? Matt Watts suggested phase lag due to creating distance between the pulsed coil and the resonant coil.

that could be possible but this seems to have its restrictions. but it is worth a try.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 08:46 AM
when i pulse one bifilar pancake coil and stack another bifi pancake coil on top i can bring it into resonance if the right pulse frequency is tuned in.

when i place compass on the resonant coil the needle points inwards to the center of the coil.

is this due to the resonant coil?
or due to the pulsed coil?

it is strongest at the resonant frequency but the needle also turns towards the center at harmonic frequencies.
if it was the pulsed coil (it doesnt resonate it shows the square wave) the compass should point inwards at random frequencies.

So I do believe the resonant coil is responsible for turning the needle.

when i tune the res frequency down with a parallel capacitor over the resonant bifilar pancake coil, with the right size of capacitor, the voltage rise is much bigger and the magnetic field is stronger (compass needle is not only pointing inwards but is drawing down to the center, and acts at a larger distance).

why do I share this?
because when feed that same resonant  coil with back EMF it still shows the resonant sine voltage rise. but No deviation of the compass needle.

maybe this should be in a video. its damn interesting.

video with:
*standard resonant coil with compass
*tuned resonant coil with stronger field
*same tuned coil fed with back emf, compass not showing deviation.
and maybe the pulsed coil by itself with a compass to see if it produces a deviation
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 10:06 AM
The back EMF of the pulsed bifilar coil, isnt a single pulse but a fading sine, so, a single diode would not pass all energy into a capacitor. the diode is needed to keep the back emf in the capacitor. and the pulse energy out of the capacitor.

So there still could be use for the other half of the back emf energy? charge a battery?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 9th, 2017, 11:16 AM
I don't know if what I'm about to say is truly reflective of what is happening or not, it's just my observation...


If an oscillating coil creates a magnetic field that has an average flux change that is polarized, it will attract a compass needle.  If on the other hand the average flux change is neutral, it will not deflect a compass needed.

What does this mean?

To me it means the input signal is either unipolar or bipolar.  This is something we really don't have any choice over with an inductor having a magnetic core.  In such application, we must use bipolar or have a core gap, otherwise with a solid core we quickly get flux walking and single ended core saturation.   An un-cored pancake coil doesn't have this restriction--we can inject unipolar pulses one after another and by doing so the average flux polarity is always the same and will most definitely deflect a compass needle.


The other factor I suspect to be relevant is the phase angle between the voltage and current.  In a resonant situation where the phase angle is 90 degrees, it's unlikely this signal is unipolar--you can't get a tank circuit to resonate if it's anything but bipolar.  So if you truly have a resonant tank circuit and it appears to deflect a compass needle, how and why is this possible?   Is there something not obvious happening with the phase angle?  Say maybe the voltage aligns with the current on only positive peaks but seems to stay 90 degrees shifted on negative peaks.  Seems screwy to me, but if something like that is happening, it might be really hard to capture on the scope.

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 11:31 AM
thank you for your input Matt
i will think this over.

one thing. is the resonant ... 90 degrees separated?

I observed is the resonant sine wave cant magnetise a ferrite rod. I cant step down the resonant voltage sine. it seems the phase angle has become zero.
zero phase would also mean zero impedance. leaving the wire resistance as only resistance. Just Like Tesla said in his patent 512340
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 9th, 2017, 02:27 PM
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to good to be true?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 9th, 2017, 05:33 PM
Coming from Hong Kong.  Mighty expensive shipping and that's if you're lucky enough to actually receive it.

You may want to check with Gunther and give his PGen a whirl.  If it doesn't do something you need, Gunther can fix the code so that it does.  He's also a lot closer to you than I am.  Send him a PM with some requirements and see what he can do for you.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 10th, 2017, 01:53 AM
free shipping. had no problems before with ordering from china. Pgen might be good.

but i think it must be easier.
nelson shows a signal gen into a 1:1 ring torroid. going into a transistor base.

in this series he shows the amazingly little amount of electronics to acomplish his goals. maybe he captures the back emf and releases it at the start of the pulse.

this makes sense because the magnetic field needs a voltage to consume when its building up. that voltage is supplied by the capacitor discharge


in this video Nelson uses the same circuit but he has exchanged his back emf coil for a pancake coil. the ring torroid can be seen. does it switch 2 things with one pulse?
https://youtu.be/8ytg_B9Vs60
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 10th, 2017, 03:08 AM
what If I use the spike that shows up at the start of the square wave pulse, to discharge the capacitor (filled with back emf).
The spike is short in duration, and can open and close a switch (transistor) from the cap into the already resonant coil.

The cap can charge from the back emf via a diode, the spike at the start of the pulse is then used to switch the cap into the second coil, and shortly discharge.

hmm... the polarity is wrong...  the switch should only switch at the start of the pulse, not at the end of the pulse where the back emf is...

Nelson... how do you do this?
square wave into 1:1 ring toroid. ring toroid secondary gives a positive and a negative pulse (?). one is the start of the pulse the other the end of the pulse.
The square wave itself is controlling the current into the coil.  The spike on the other side of the coil is used to switch. the back emf of the toroid is not used, only the spike on.

Could this work???
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 10th, 2017, 03:02 PM
Evo,

Take a look at this link(https://www.av8n.com/physics/capacitor-transfer.htm) and think about the concept the writer introduces as gorge.

He states this to be non-conservative, which is just what we are looking for.

My thinking of gorge is purely dielectric fields that can stretch from a capacitor plate to any other object(s) in the Universe.  We give the gorge some number to express its relative pressure level/strength.  Each capacitor plate has a gorge value, therefore there exists a differential between the two plates using his formula of:  G = (QUPPER - QLOWER) / 2

What I find so important in the document is no laws enforce a particular behavior.  Dielectric fields exist everywhere between all sorts of items, even capacitor plates.  Which means if we change the "charge" of each capacitor plate an equal amount, the gorge doesn't change at all.  The abstract term "charge" is conserved, but this doesn't say anything about the dielectric fields.  There is no restriction there.  This means we can manipulate a single plate or both plates and create scenarios where energy is shuttled at no cost.  It's here where we must think more carefully about the side-by-side bifilar pancake coils and the objects that are near them.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 11th, 2017, 03:55 AM
As said I will look at that Matt.

this seems a good supply for ferrite
ferrite rods(https://m.alibaba.com/product/60261959554/R6X20-High-Permeability-NiZn-HF-Welding.html?s=p)

they provide free samples up to 10 pieces.

would be better to have the raw powder. maybe they can supply it also
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 11th, 2017, 11:19 AM
Have you tried just holding chunks of ferrite next to the coil to see if things move in the intended direction?

I have two flat ferrite ribbon cable EFI suppressors and when I put them next to my coil, I see no change whatsoever in the behavior.

I was hoping to see something, because if I did, I might go looking for some larger ferrite ring magnets to play with.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 11th, 2017, 11:22 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on August 11th, 2017, 11:19 AM
Have you tried just holding chunks of ferrite next to the coil to see if things move in the intended direction?

I have two flat ferrite ribbon cable EFI suppressors and when I put them next to my coil, I see no change whatsoever in the behavior.

I was hoping to see something, because if I did, I might go looking for some larger ferrite ring magnets to play with.
I think the added ferrite is to be able to produce more back emf.  so not only add ferrite also increase the current/voltage?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 11th, 2017, 11:51 AM
With no core you can increase the duty cycle too, up to some point where the magnetic field strength no longer intensifies.  Once you add core material, this will change quite a bit I would expect.

To strengthen a magnetic field, you can increase the current and/or increase the number of turns, that's your only options.  Adding a core will focus the flux lines into a particular space.  The total magnetic field you generate won't actually get any stronger, it will just stay where you put it.

How this will effect your back EMF...?  I'm not certain.  Also not certain what you are trying to get the back EMF to actually do.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 11th, 2017, 12:05 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on August 11th, 2017, 11:51 AM
With no core you can increase the duty cycle too, up to some point where the magnetic field strength no longer intensifies.  Once you add core material, this will change quite a bit I would expect.

To strengthen a magnetic field, you can increase the current and/or increase the number of turns, that's your only options.  Adding a core will focus the flux lines into a particular space.  The total magnetic field you generate won't actually get any stronger, it will just stay where you put it.

How this will effect your back EMF...?  I'm not certain.  Also not certain what you are trying to get the back EMF to actually do.
adding ferrite to increase inductance.
more inductance would translate to a stronger magnetic field befor the coil saturates.
without ferrite the inductance is low, and the coil quickly saturates. this limits the production of back emf.

the back emf must be powerfull(high voltage) enough. to overcome the loss of the diode, and to fill the cap up with enough (back emf) energy.

I suspect we need to reach a treshold before we really see an effect (like a diode  needs a treshold voltage before we see it emitting light).

As can be seen in Nelsons vids, he used kV pulses. (another clue).

so Matt, Im just guessing. but my intuition says we need a big voltage.

More important Matt, do  you know at what phase angle we should inject/discharge the back emf filled capacitor into the already existent magnetic resonant sine, to see a increase in magnitude/output?

Title: 2 uses for ether flow from resonance
Post by: evostars on August 13th, 2017, 04:10 AM
if a pulsed coil makes a pulsating magnetic vortex, building up the vortex, and collapsing in on itself. like a whirlpool sucking in ether at the south pole and pushing out ether at the north pole. the ether moves around the coil via these magnetic vortexes.

the resonant coil is then at the right phase angle pulsed with back emf energy from the capacitor discharge. creating a ring vortex resonance, inside the magnetic vortex resonance.

the ring vortex is a ether flow around the coil that is a closed loop, but the magnetic field is spinning in up stronger and stronger.

the collapse of the magnetic vortex gives a strong push/pull on the ring vortex spinning it up. but then the same back emf energy is used again to spin up the ring vortex. that is a double  use of the magnetic field energy.

if the ring vortex is strong enough a resonant (tuned) output coil can tap into it.

but .... what if we have 2 of those systems. alligned but some disgance between them.  one slightly faster than the other (detuned).

could we make an ether flow between both systems that moves faster through one of them? deforming the field into a pearshape? could this be the thrust factor of a gravity device? It would need high enough voltage to create a big enough ether flow.

In the beginning of my research I saw the connection between ufo drive tech and energy tech, both being the same tech, but used different. one uses the ether flow to create a ether flow field to create thrust. without inertia because ether is inertia related, but we bend it around.

the other etherflow used to create energy. energy is ether flow.

ether flows at resonance. a magnetic  field is an ether vortex.
a dielectric field is a ether field of twisted tension lines
a resonant dielectric coil is a ether ring toroid.

Title: phase angle test
Post by: evostars on August 17th, 2017, 01:09 PM
a pulsed coil can bring a second coil into resonance producing a sine wave.

the pulsed coil also produces a back emf that can create a resonant sine wave into a coil.

I suspect the two resonant sine waves are not in phase so they cant combine (directly) into one coil.

to see the phase relationship, i should bring 2 separate coils into resonance.  these 2 coils should be equal in  their resonant frequency. so they can be driven from one and the same primary pulsed coil.

when it shows how the phase angle is between the two coils, i could delay the back emf resonant coil by storing it in a capacitor and discharging it at a diffent phase angle.

in the end i can see how these two coils interact. (not necessary).

the result should make it possible to make one resonant coil from both sources. the pulse and the back emf combined into one resonant sine. (this should add up the voltages and give a higher energy level than the input)
Title: back emf negative voltage
Post by: evostars on August 23rd, 2017, 12:23 PM
back from a well deserved break. it did me good. got some distance from it all.

if I remeber correct, the pulsed coil uses 12v positive voltage to create a magnetic field. then when the circuit is opened, it creates a negative voltage spike, that can charge a capacitor, or that can bring another coil into resonance without the swing of the compass needle.

so in respect to the ground (zero) we start with a positive voltage, and we end up with a nagative voltage from the back emf.

so... if I store that back emf negative voltage in a cap, and discharge the cap into the resonant coil at the start of the next pulse,
that would be a out of phase resonance added up.

Since this is a resonant system it might work, as i produced a double voltage before  with out of phase resonant sine waves.

I need to check the phase relation with the experiment i wrote down in the previous post, and work out a system to delay the back emf discharge of the cap into the resonant coil.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 23rd, 2017, 02:12 PM
Narrowed down to what I think at least needs to be tested.

C1 is the main Back EMF storage cap.  When the switch closes, a portion of the stored potential is dumped through C2 into L2 as a sharp impulse.

The circuit seems too simple to be what Nelson is using, but it may be close enough to know what to do next.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 23rd, 2017, 08:17 PM
Not quite what we want.  With only a single rectifier diode, L1 rings way too much--C1 won't charge like a resistive load.

Trying to figure out how to do this concept with a full wave bridge rectifier, but I'm not certain yet it's possible.  We need some way to share the switch.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 24th, 2017, 03:09 AM
well Matt I dont get it either.

so i will first do the test to see the phase relation ship. see if i can work out the logic a bit more.

i made this drawing. L1 is pulsed creating back emf(into cap), and resonance in L2.

the tuning cap of L2 is in series with S2, to inject the back emf at the right time.

I fail to see how L1 and L2 can be one and the same switch
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 24th, 2017, 11:37 AM
Quote from evostars on August 24th, 2017, 03:09 AM
I fail to see how L1 and L2 can be one and the same switch
I think it has to be because the back EMF stored in the cap is of such high voltage you cannot switch it by itself.  You have to have current to keep it at bay.  I could be wrong, but I've been experimenting with the circuit I recently posted and it does seem to behave as Nelson suggests.  I haven't tried tuning the L3 portion yet, just watching the signals from L1 and L2 to see how they mix.  Pretty much impossible to get a read on the voltage phase angle without a differential probe, but I have been able to look at the current and see some effects that lead me to believe Nelson is telling us the straight scope.

Later today I'll connect an external trigger on my scope and see if I can narrow in on what is actually going on here.  Pretty tough to see things with so much ringing--the trigger is all over the map.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 24th, 2017, 11:41 AM
mayb you can slow the process down too a low frequency low duty cycle so the ringing gets less.

I also have trouble to see what is happening with all the ringing
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 24th, 2017, 01:19 PM
So here's a scopeshot with the external trigger connected (which BTW, makes this so much easier).

The top yellow trace is voltage connected across L1.  Peak-to-peak in excess of 275 volts with only a 9 volt 170mA input.

The purple lower trace is a current probe connected inline with L2.  Not sure yet I am getting the current magnification as defined by the CARC.  Think I'm close though.


The switch is flipping at 47kHz with 40% duty cycle.  The back EMF cap is a big high voltage motha, 50uF 900 volt.  The inline cap is a high volt 100nF.  Both are poly.

When the circuit is first powered, the big cap takes about five seconds to come to full charge and remains charged as it should according to Nelson.

Frequency and duty cycle are both extremely critical with this circuit.  The waveforms will jump all over the place if you change these two parameters the slightest bit.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 24th, 2017, 01:31 PM
When a resistive load is placed across L3, the ringing on L1 almost goes completely away.


New problem.  I can't increase input voltage above about 10.5 volts without getting arcing across the heatsinks of my Universal Switch.  It's pretty impressive how the back EMF can drive up the voltage so much.  How to deal with this voltage is going to take some thinking.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
Great work Matt! Thx for sharing.

The L1 yellow ringing, its when the 40% duty cycle is off. Correct?

You collect the back emf from this L1 coil, but, its not a single back emf spike, it is ringing.
The ringing is positive and negative, so do you collect all the energy? or only half wave? (one or 2 diodes to the cap).

It seems a resistive load on L3 acts like a damper. So the current isnt big enough, strong enough or the resistance is to high, destroying the resonance.

The purple current, also looks like its at half the resonant frequency. So, probably tune it around 100khz and it will ring even bigger. producing a stronger output on L3.

Here is my Idea: we now use a L1 bifilar pancake coil with low inductance right? So it saturates quickly and gives a minimum back emf spark. I suggested a ferrite coating on the coil. But what if we use a "solenoid form" bifilar coil, with the diameter of the hole? And place it on top of L2, across the hole?  Again, with ferrite paste on L1.

Since L1 is about the magnetic field, and the back emf produced, it should work better in solenoid form. its also easier to build. a ferrite (radio frequency Mn Zn Fe) core, with a bifilar wound coil around it, the size of the hole diameter of L2, Should produce a stronger magnetic field, a stronger back EMF. And the collapsing field is placed in the center of the L2 coil, supporting the field of L2


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:36 AM
https://www.labshop.nl/Webwinkel-Product-127884983/Magnetiet-grof-1-Kg.html

I found magnetite I think I could use this instead of ferrite, since the frequencies are fairly low. Still not sure how this works at 200khz

hmm... seems the fine grinded stuff doesnt work:
http://www.energeticforum.com/191769-post4639.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/191767-post4638.html

it needs to be sand...
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 25th, 2017, 12:32 PM
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
The L1 yellow ringing, its when the 40% duty cycle is off. Correct?
Correct.
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
You collect the back emf from this L1 coil, but, its not a single back emf spike, it is ringing.
The ringing is positive and negative, so do you collect all the energy? or only half wave? (one or 2 diodes to the cap).
It is a single negative going spike through a single high speed rectifier diode.  What happens though is the charge capacitor presents a particular kind of impedance that creates a back MMF of its own.  When this happens, the diode switches off and the original back EMF rebounds.  If instead of a rectifier diode and capacitor, a filament lamp is used to collect/see the back EMF, clearly you see the strong negative spike.

From my understanding of wave propagation, what happens is the capacitor begins to charge and when it does, that end of the transmission line becomes an open circuit; this creates the condition for the wave to invert and bounce back, which is exactly what you see on the scope.  Only when the capacitor is completely discharged do you see the single negative spike.  Once it begins to charge, then you see the ringing.
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
It seems a resistive load on L3 acts like a damper. So the current isnt big enough, strong enough or the resistance is to high, destroying the resonance.
There shouldn't be any resonance on L3 until I introduce a parallel capacitor which I have not done yet.  Still looking at how L1 magnetic and L2 dielectric attempt to mix.
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
The purple current, also looks like its at half the resonant frequency. So, probably tune it around 100khz and it will ring even bigger. producing a stronger output on L3.
Again, there is no resonance taking place here.  The size cap I used between C1 and L2 looks to be a harmonic of the fundamental pulsing frequency which should begin to create the magnified current we are looking for.

Tuning the pulse frequency is out of the question.  The pulse on-time is critical to how big a magnetic field you want to build and how large will be the back EMF released when the switch is opened.  The only tuning that can be done is finding the correct size capacitor that will allow the CARC to oscillate at the fundamental pulse frequency.

I have played with the pulse frequency and duty cycle for hours.  My goal was to find a frequency where I could set the duty cycle at 50%.  This is very difficult to do.  Things get real touchy near 50%.  The things that matter are:

Input voltage
Input current draw
Pulse frequency
Duty cycle
C2 size

I haven't even begun looking at coil displacement yet.  Right now all three of my PCB bifilar coils are separated equally about 4mm.
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
Here is my Idea: we now use a L1 bifilar pancake coil with low inductance right? So it saturates quickly and gives a minimum back emf spark. I suggested a ferrite coating on the coil. But what if we use a "solenoid form" bifilar coil, with the diameter of the hole? And place it on top of L2, across the hole?  Again, with ferrite paste on L1.
L1 has no core, so saturation is basically off the table.  I can pump in as much current as I want.   At just 1 amp the back EMF is so high I can't deal with it anymore.
Quote from evostars on August 25th, 2017, 02:25 AM
Since L1 is about the magnetic field, and the back emf produced, it should work better in solenoid form. its also easier to build. a ferrite (radio frequency Mn Zn Fe) core, with a bifilar wound coil around it, the size of the hole diameter of L2, Should produce a stronger magnetic field, a stronger back EMF. And the collapsing field is placed in the center of the L2 coil, supporting the field of L2
I have placed large ceramic ring magnets on these PCB bifilar coils while in operation and see not the slightest changes in the waveforms.  These magnets should also act as a core of such, but it doesn't change anything.  I'm not convinced at this time that adding any sort of ferrite paste to the coils is going to be helpful.

Right now I'm pretty certain if you want a stronger magnetic field, throw more current at the coil.  You do this by increasing the duty cycle and/or lowering the frequency.  Again, these air-core pancake coils will take all the current you want to give to them up to some threshold where they become hot and begin to burn the traces off.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 25th, 2017, 04:20 PM
I need to process all you have shared Matt, it needs some time,

but let me say this, If the capacitor is becoming part of the L1 resonant ringing, why not place a diode in between it, to kill the ringing?

In your diagram the the diode is placed at the ground connection, not at the switch. but the back emf is at the switch (where it will spark) so if the back emf is directed into the cap via a diode, you not only prevent the capacitor from being part of a resonant circuit, it also makes you able to switch higher voltages, as you keep the back emf away from the switch.

that part about the coil not saturating, being an air core, is not what I saw. I saw a maximum back emf, but I now realise this is probably due to the protection diode in the igbt kicking in, sucking away the back emf. So i need to retest with a protection diode free transistor.
onbthe other hand i still want a high inductance coil to produce back emf.

a "slow" saturated ferrite magnet, might not be the right test material. still not sure about it. i do believe a layer of non magnetised ferrite would add inductance, and enhance the back emf

maybe i dont fully understand it yet. ill think it over.

again thx for sharing, its good to get feedback.

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 26th, 2017, 04:32 AM
base gets pulse, L1 produces magnetic field.
pulse stops transistor closes, L1 produces back emf.

back emf  is put into the capacitor at the emitter, via the diode.

base gets pulsed again. coil now sees a bigger negative, from the charged capacitor.

 
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 28th, 2017, 04:45 AM
A Joule thief circuit creates short pulses, that opens and closes a transistor very fast.

The joule thief can be tuned to a frequency of lets say 50khz.

Normally the joule thief is fed by a DC current.

But what if we feed it with pulsed dc, also at 50Khz. And at the same time use this same pulsed dc to create back emf via coil L1

This back emf is stored into a capacitor, that is discharged via a second coil by a joulethief pulse at the of the next DC current pulse.


Ill. make a new topic for this.
topic link(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3052.new#new)

Title: what is current?
Post by: evostars on August 28th, 2017, 07:28 AM
current... what is it?
is creates a magnetic field.

but if we want to show it on a scope, isnt the scope not displaying a voltage? so the to display it we transform the current into a voltage so we can display it. but then we are looking not at current, but current transformed into a voltage to make it visible.

so what is current? can we see it observe it directly?
Current is visible through the work it does. turning a engine and giving light in a lamp.

but... what is it? since i left the electron particle bullsh@t and started thinking in fields, I also more or less left the idea of current behind me.

still I wonder... what is current? can we observe it directly?

A scope can show a 230V sine representing voltage. but it can be a 1A current or .1A or 16A. the sine is the same...

if we use a wall socket (2 lines... one with a sine wave, one neutra) the neutral also shows the sine wave. so whats the difference?

I thought if the power (light bulb)is off, i can grab the neutral. but then I get shocked. but... its the neutral! so there is still power in the neutral? what the...???
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 28th, 2017, 12:26 PM
Haha!   I knew taking a little break from things would result in some good questions.

For starters, there are three ways I'm aware of for measuring current:
   Ohms's Law via a resistor
   A current sense transformer or CT as the electrical engineers call it
   A hall effect sensor as is used for precision digital oscilloscope current probes

The CT is only effective if the current is alternating in polarity.

The resistor is something we need to look at more closely.  How does a voltage drop across a resistor give us an accurate indication of the current present?

I guess we would first need to understand what truly is a resistor.  How does it impede?  What is it impeding?

Mr. Tesla used the word "current" often, but I highly suspect we use the same word much differently today.  Edward Leedskalnin brought us the phrase "Magnetic Current", which I think is much more accurate.

We have two fields:  Dielectric & Magnetic.  Dielectric is divergence; magnetic is curl.  A dielectric field wants to diverge, spread out, but in doing so it causes curl.  Curl is the field that wants to wrap itself back to where it came from, the antithesis of divergence.  It's the natural impedance created when divergence wants to expand infinitely.  Curl, the magnetic field is what keeps divergence, the dielectric field, in check.

So if I had to guess, I'd say a resistor is a device that prevents divergence--billions of tiny little coils almost like filter paper.  These little coils create tiny magnetic fields that impede the divergence, impede the dielectric field.  This is why we see a voltage drop across the resistor.  And since they are tiny little coils, the larger the dielectric gradient across the resistor, the stronger magnetic field these billions of little coils produce.  It just so happens this effect appears linear and was given a name, Ohm's Law.

So then current is the something that slows or stops the dielectric field from expanding out to where it is again neutral.  No current, no limit on the expansion/divergence.  When there is current, then we know a magnetic field is present and is actively preventing the dielectric field from going where it wants to go.  A magnetic field is the only thing able to slow or stop a dielectric field.  So now think about this...

How does a dielectric field become stored or stopped within a capacitor?  No magnetic field in there you say?  I'll bet you there is--sure wish I could prove it though.  What I can say for sure is when you short the capacitor, that magnetic field escapes and no longer contains the dielectric field which must continue to diverge as it should.

I really think a change in perspective about all this stuff would be very helpful.  Too bad folks are afraid to try something different and see where it goes.   Wimps.   :scared:

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 28th, 2017, 01:11 PM
curl and divergence.

something like a rubberband that is twisted.
the amount of turns is current.
the length is voltage.
static electricity is like an untwisted rubberband. how can we add twists (current) to it? by unrolling ring vortecis?

rubberbands between capacitor plates would be twisted, and untwist when shortcut? that also would suggest 2 turn directions. something that i have seen with hurricane harveys goes16 sattalite images. there can be 2 turn directions seen. one clockwise one counterclockwise, in the same area. i think these are 2 air layers one high one low one centripetal one centrifugal.

and the ring torroid can be cut into  a single rubberband.

like the rubberband propeller. if you wind it up it gains power.

tubes of force,  where the tubes are twisted

hmm eather you are so energetic
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 29th, 2017, 04:32 AM
A air ring vortex moves from right to left, produces a tail on the right side.
The electrical ring vortex produced by a pulsed with back emf resonant bifilar pancake coil, might do the reverse, it might be fed by the tail instead of loosing its tail.

The tail is the magnetic field from the first pulsed coil, that is collapsing into the ring vortex.
at the same time it creates the back emf that is stored in a capacitor, to be discharged into the second coil.

The second coil is also a bifilar panacke coil.
having inductance, it resonates with the magnetic field of the pulsed first coil.
but by also havinf capacitance, it resonates with the dielectric back emf from the capacitor.
when these to resonances are in the right relationship, the produce power.

this power is picked up by the tuned third resonant coil, that creates a powerfull output.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 29th, 2017, 06:28 AM
so there are 2 kinds of resonance posible with a bifilar coil.

magnetic resonance from a pulsed current parallel coil, creating a magnetic field

dielectric resonance from a directly back emf pulsed coil. creating a ring vortex

both separate resonances dont have real power because real power comes from combining current with voltage.

so if we combine both forms of resonance we create power.

since the pulsed current coil also produces the back emf, the output is higher than yhe input
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on August 29th, 2017, 05:36 PM
2 kinds of resonance both show up as a sine wave. do not add up(power) if they are in phase, but do(create power) if they are out of phase...

might this be due to the resonance of the back emf is spinning in the other direction?
like a positron?
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on August 30th, 2017, 11:31 PM
A sine wave is a dead giveaway of rotation.  Counter phase rotation leads to the creation of an "electron", otherwise known as the destruction or consumption of energy.

Think of two fast moving troughs of water with a divider between them.  Each trough of water has opposite flow.  When the divider is pulled out, you will see little swirls of water as the opposite flows clash with each other at what was a boundary, that's your unicorn/electron.  Pressure mediation, curl, magnetism, places of high activity.  All matter is created from fields and where we have a high concentration of very active fields, scientists call that a particle having a negative charge.  It's not a particle at all.  It's actually a voidance if you look at it closely.  The water will create a little whirlpool or depression and expel the water in that position.  Since they are not able to explain that, they instead tell us it has a negative charge.  Makes a lot more sense to know that position is actually a place where the Aether is basically missing or less dense than its surroundings.

People will label you a nutcase if you don't speak their language and accept their nonsense.  Go figure.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 1st, 2017, 10:45 AM
i love being a nutcase. its alot of fun. :hillbilly:
normal is boring.
 :cheerleader:
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 2nd, 2017, 05:48 AM
finaly i found a alternating pulse circuit.

https://youtu.be/pFbVlhFQhN0

I have had many ideas wher i needed this.

like alternate pulsing 2 tesla coils, both into resonance.
line the top ends up (so the outsides are pulsed).

the center where the coils line up, will have a thrird coil around it, this one will create output from the strong alternating dielectric field inside it from both tesla coils

Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 7th, 2017, 11:40 AM
if a back emf pulse can create a resonant sine wave of equal amplitude, than that by itself represents a big gain in energy.
or not?
a 100V back emf pulse repeated at the resonant frequency, creating a 100V sine wave.
 Is it the small pushes against a swing that accumulate in the swing, making it swing bigger over time? but if the swing is stopped, al the accumulated pushes are released at once?

so its a time factor? being smart in the use of time?

the back emf pulse comes after the magnetic pulse that created it.
so to use time, its about storing the back emf into a capacitor and release it again at the next magnetic (current) pulse. to enlarge the total voltage at that point in time, and so produce a larger magnetic field...


Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on September 7th, 2017, 01:26 PM
Quote from evostars on September 7th, 2017, 11:40 AM
so its a time factor? being smart in the use of time?

the back emf pulse comes after the magnetic pulse that created it.
so to use time, its about storing the back emf into a capacitor and release it again at the next magnetic (current) pulse. to enlarge the total voltage at that point in time, and so produce a larger magnetic field...
I think you're seeing what I have been pondering for quite a long time (pun intended).

I have proven to my satisfaction that you can energize a coil with current, create a magnetic field, release the current and collect or utilized the back EMF with near zero losses.  So you get all the energy back you put into the system.  Big deal?   Well maybe, because while you were doing this, you did produce a magnetic field essentially for free.  As long as you don't disrupt this magnetic field, you also don't disrupt the back EMF.  So the trick is two parts.  You use time to your advantage AND you use the magnetic field, don't waste it.  This is where I think resonance comes into play, because if you use the magnetic field properly; at the correct moment, you not only avoid disrupting it, you can actually enhance it.  If you strengthen it, then you also strengthen the back EMF.

Think of things somewhat the way the financial system works.  You borrow money (energy) to make more money (more energy).  This money needs to be constantly kept in motion, moving forward in such a manner where you never pay part of it back until you have put it to work.  You keep pushing the gains forward.  This financial concept aligns nicely with my concept of energy acceleration.  It's the same game the suits play everyday.  We just need to map this concept into an electrical system.  Time (or the effect of the Tempic field) is what allows it to work.  You put off paying back everything you borrowed indefinitely.  Just like a corporation does.

It's all an orchestra of energy storage and transfer based on how long our coils take to store a chunk of energy.  Their capacity should be known or at least their usable range of capacity.  We then move energy out of the coil, place it into a capacitor and begin a new cycle.  Somewhere in this new cycle we inject the energy we just stored in the capacitor into a separate coil physically near the first coil.  If we inject at the correct moment and for the correct duration, the magnetic field of the first coil climbs even higher.  These cycles repeat to a point where we must add a third coil to drain off a portion of this accumulated energy.  This gets a little tricky because here the back EMF from the load CAN disrupt everything we have setup in the first two coils, so we must add capacitance to adjust when the back EMF collides with the resonance.  A simple matter of constructive or destructive interference; we prefer constructive.

Seems simple, but the coils many times act as though they have a mind of their own.  We have to listen to them and let them guide us.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 7th, 2017, 01:55 PM
enhancing the magnetic field produces a stronger back emf.


a stronger back emf! i disdnt realise that one before!

in a perfect setup, each back emf that enhances the next magnetic field produces an even stronger back emf that produces an even stronger magnetic field in the next cycle and on and on and on.

being a resonant system the separate output coil resonates with this ever building   magnetic field, and can be tapped off. into a large capacitor bank.

if that bank is properly filled, it keeps being filled, and we can tap out the dc power from it.

I had a pretty clear picture in my head aboit this concept, but I didnt realise yet, that not only the magnetic field becomes stronger, but also the back emf becomes stronger.

thanks Matt :clap:
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: Matt Watts on September 8th, 2017, 01:19 AM
At some point the energy being stored in the capacitor dwarfs that of the input power to the system.  That's where you tap a small portion of it for feedback.  It might take a few hundred thousand cycles for this to happen, but in our sense of timeframe it happens pretty quick.

The whole trick is to ensure we always augment the magnetic field; never collide with or impede it.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 8th, 2017, 04:52 AM
Steinmetz wrote, to build a magnetic field, a coil consumes voltage.

we provide additional voltage by discharging the back emf stored in the capacitor.

its not only recycling. its enhancing...



Title: video's
Post by: evostars on September 11th, 2017, 08:09 AM
I made a video recording today, with all the findings and conclusions I made so far.
Its more than i thought. 20min (not covering all) with only speech.
I also want to add experiments to show what i did.

I concluded its way to much info for 1 video. It would be an information overload.

So to make it more understandable, i want to make several smaller video recordings, showing the separate results.

and maybe a bigger picture video, to tie it all together.

hopefully it will inspire more people.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 11th, 2017, 11:55 AM
maybe consume is the wrong word.
transform would be better.
the dielectric voltage is tranformed into a magnetic current.

and the magnetic current is transformed into a dielectric back emf voltage.

but then... i dont like the word "current" its too much like "consume".
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 12th, 2017, 01:00 AM
@ onepower
yes that is the book Im reading. Its very clear to me. It already has given me great insights. Its rather brilliant in my opinion.

JJ thompson did discover the electron, but not as a particle unicorn. I must agree with ken wheeler and eric dollard on this one.

to me the school textbooks of today are simply not correct. they hold up to a certain degree, but are very limited in their concepts. they give but a few straight answers. I asked my teachers in the days of my education a lot of questions, and the answers never satisfied. In the end they started giving up. Said I had to do my own research because science didnt know. I even was excused from my physics class, and was allowed to study in the library instead (a great gift).
ken wheeler en eric dollard where the first that sparked my passion again, they simply make sense to me.

So, it seems we do not agree Onepower. thats fine. with all respect, i dont have to convince you, you dont have to convince me. Maybe we can inspire eachother.

may the truth set us free
 :grouphug:
Title: double pulsed coil
Post by: evostars on September 12th, 2017, 02:22 PM
Last night I had a great idea before i fell to sleep.
I just remembered. Luckily!

A coil, when pulsed, creates a back emf when the pulse stops. this pulsed coil can bring a parallel coil in to resonance via its magnetic field.
 
The back emf also can make a resonant wave, when we pulse it directly into a (resonant) coil.
If we want both resonances to add up their voltages, they need to be in phase. Thsi means the back emf needs to be at the start of the [pulse, to do this, we need to buffer it into a capacitor and discharge it at the start...

There is an easy way, where we dont need to buffer the back EMF into a capacitor.

If we use a 50% duty cycle pulse, and we make it a positive and negative pulse. (not a off on off on. but, 50 %positive on, 50% negative on)

The positive pulse is directed into one coil(A1), creating a magnetic field with back emf, and it lets a parallel coil (A2) resonate.
The negative pulse is directed (diode, or the post i made a while back) into another coil (B1), again also creating a magnetic field, with a back emf, and it also lets another parallel coil (b2) resonate.

So this is a double system, where one is on while the other is off, and vice versa.

Now the beauty!

The back EMF produced by coil A1, is produced at the same time, coil B1 is pulsed/magnetised.
So, the back emf of coil A1, can be directly injected, into resonant coil B2.
And vice versa!!!

the two magnetic resonant coil sine waves, are getting a back emf resonant sine on top, and the voltage is doubled, so the magnetic field is also doubed!

No capacitor needed, no switching needed. Man, this is a good idea.

But... it needs to be put into practice.
The polarities of the back EMF need to be correct, so  it needs to be figured out, how to inject the back emf from the positive pulse into the resonant coil of the negative pulse.
Maybe this is not possible, but i think is can be. by using the other end of the resonant coil to ground we can alter the phase.

OK ok... its just an idea. but It would be so nice, to direct the back emf straight into another resonant coil, without the need to store it first in a capacitor.

Both resonant coils can then be used to resonate 2 output coils, that are out of phase, so the output gets doubled again...

But... Its still based, on some assumptions. this needs to be worked out.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 12th, 2017, 02:50 PM
from post#193 the youtube vid of G sav, its schemtic to create a double pulse from a 555

(http://katharakis.gr/Free-Plans/555%20extra%20pulse.GIF)

https://youtu.be/pFbVlhFQhN0

I attached the first schemtaic of the vid also below
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 12th, 2017, 02:57 PM
I still have three 555 chips some where. they where the more stable ones, that didnt load the power supply down, or whatever.

270khz is high enough.
exciting
:)
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 13th, 2017, 02:04 AM
tnx matt,
we'll see how the mixing works if we build

Im still very curious about the result of your back emf resonant coil test. If it doesnt show a deviation on the compass needle, then the resonance is with another field(form).

the magnetic resonance, fluctuates between magnetic field energy and dielectric field energy. and the needle deviates.

the back emf resonance also shows up on the scope as a voltage sine. so it implies there is a dielectric field involved. but if the compass needle doesnt deviate, it fluctuates between dielectric and another field form (different than magnetic). I assume its the ring torroid longitudinal field. Still need a name for it...

mixing would be from coupling/joining the dielectric field component.

in other words, the resonant sine waves of both forms, need to be inphase.
the phase lock is a natural phenomenon that occurs automatically
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 13th, 2017, 04:45 AM
we might have forgotten one thing matt.
something you just experimented with.

the back emf gives a infinite voltage when an infinite resistance is shutting down the current that created the magnetic field energy.

if we direct the back emf energy straight (without buffering into a capacitor) into the resonant coil, the coil presents a low resistance...
It might still work, but... it isnt a spike anymore....

I think a capacitor is better.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 13th, 2017, 11:29 AM
I finally made the hard to read pdf into a paper book.
much easier to read.

I find it a superb book. the first lectures are so very clear.

the best thing about this book:

 "electric discharges, waves and impulses, and other transients" by Charles Proteus Steinmetz,

 it never mentions the electron.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 13th, 2017, 12:03 PM
I totally agree Matt.

particle unicorns are very limited in their possibilities to explain the nature of field transformations.

in the end, all is light.



Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 14th, 2017, 02:10 AM
Matt,
 if the back emf is charged into the capacitor

and we use the capacitor to pulse a coil,
the intention is to create a short sharp pulse, just like the original back emf.

so its not a 50% duty cycle pulse, but more like a hammer. hitting hard and instant.

the coil is then resonating, but does not create a back emf. 
why?
because there is no magnetic field being build up by consuming the voltage spike.

this resonance is between the dielectric field and the third field (not the magnetic)

at least, that is my limited understanding of it.

If a back emf was produced, when would it happen?  the pulse stops very fast. that should be the moment for the back emf as the current stops. just like with the 50% duty cycle. when the pulsed current stops it gives the b emf.

but now it doesnt. the capacitor discharge creates a resonant sine.

I remember you doing a experiment, where you pulsed a bifilar coil, with a single pulse. and it showed no ringing at all.
this suprised me alot.
but this is again proof that the pulse from back emf energy is different, as this pulse DOES create a ringing.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 14th, 2017, 06:02 AM
an empty capacitor draws a current until its full.
so empty its low impedance
full its high impedance.

so to fill it with back emf its best to have in nearly full, as it represents a high impedance.

isnt that what nelson said? he uses a capacitor to discharge but first he needs to fill it?

so the capacitor discharge into the resonant coiln is short of duration.
it gives a strong hammer slam, but it doesn't empty the capacitor.

thats why these kinds of resonant overunity systems lile kapanadze and alike, need a battery to start. the battery is needed until the capacitor is full, and the back emf/current becomes strong enough.
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 14th, 2017, 03:10 PM
about the tempic field:
 Its time related. My idea is,  the back EMF is placed at a different time interval(phase angle)
this way we influence the tempic field. by shifting the back emf in time (storing bemf in a capacitor and discharging it, as a simulated back emf, at a different phase angle). normally the back emf is timed at the collapse of the magnetic field, but now its at the start. Now its fuel for the transformation of the dielectric energy into magnetic energy.

the entropy changes. (entropy=rate of change per unit of time, in other words we are changing the tempic field)
Title: again. the hall effect, as a valve
Post by: evostars on September 15th, 2017, 03:54 AM
the coil as a valve.

I have written this before.

the hall effect is working in a bifilar coil.
this effect is known for deviating the dielectric field when it is inside a strong magnetic field.

but now the dielectric field is stronger between the windings of the bifilar coil.
stronger, than the magnetic field that wraps around the windings.

the hall effect now works in reverse. the strong dielectric field deviates the magnetic field. preventing the magnetic field from creating a counter electro motive force between the windings.

the hall effect is creating the deviation of the compass needle, as is steers the magnetic field into one direction on one side of the coil, and the other direction on the other side of the coil

this happens when the coil is resonant
Title: Re: idea's
Post by: evostars on September 15th, 2017, 03:52 PM
i tried working with transistors but the ones i have are not ideal.

the igbt I have works great, but since i now am working with back emf, its internal protection diode is problematic.

I might have to replace the IGBT on the board, for a IGBT without protection diode, so i can redirect the back emf into a capacitor. and if i do so, i will order 2 of those igbt's and another board, so i can properly work with switching.

the signal to switch still would need to be linked from one source, so i need to figure that out first probably