https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhZtwCG6Dw

so alot of people are wondering where i'm headed with the stanley meyer research. the answer is simple... there is still alot to do, but your help is needed. if you want to see where we have been and where we are goong. watch this entire video and you will know!

if you did not hear it from me... it probably is not true... you want to know the truth...  just ask. fairly simple.

god bless and thank you all so so much. with out your help we would all still be wondering and waiting.

please take the time to understand what im trying to do by watching this: "Live Open Science" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-s8XS4suBM

theses men understand what it takes to make a change!

www.RWGresearch.com
 www.open-source-energy.org

~Russ Gries

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

Quote from haxar on December 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

h2opower has driven his VIC to about 1000 V peak peak now with WFC connected.

I´m wondering why nobody jumps into that.

I eye wittnessed voltages to 600 V pp using a less elaborated version of VIC without steel wire last year when I visited him.

As Russ tells in his video experimenters don´t succeed in raising voltage under load but h2opower does and there is a youtube documentary.

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 04:50 AM

Quote from haxar on December 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

h2opower has driven his VIC to about 1000 V peak peak now with WFC connected.

I´m wondering why nobody jumps into that.

I eye wittnessed voltages to 600 V pp using a less elaborated version of VIC without steel wire last year when I visited him.

As Russ tells in his video experimenters don´t succeed in raising voltage under load but h2opower does and there is a youtube documentary.

The video did not document much.  It only shows a waveform on a scope and not a coil, WFC, or a single wire, in view.  

Quote from firepinto on December 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 04:50 AM

Quote from haxar on December 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

h2opower has driven his VIC to about 1000 V peak peak now with WFC connected.

I´m wondering why nobody jumps into that.

I eye wittnessed voltages to 600 V pp using a less elaborated version of VIC without steel wire last year when I visited him.

As Russ tells in his video experimenters don´t succeed in raising voltage under load but h2opower does and there is a youtube documentary.

The video did not document much.  It only shows a waveform on a scope and not a coil, WFC, or a single wire, in view.

It does.

It shows the voltage pp over a WFC of 10 tubes wired in series and a step charging effect due to gating. The step charging shows within the pulse train itself and also within a time period period of some minutes. The coil description in detail and the WFC are documented in a thread at hereticalbuilders.com.

People are looking for a working VIC with amp restriction, step charging and advanced voltage levels and here it is. what else are you looking for?

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 06:55 AM

Quote from firepinto on December 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 04:50 AM

Quote from haxar on December 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

h2opower has driven his VIC to about 1000 V peak peak now with WFC connected.

I´m wondering why nobody jumps into that.

I eye wittnessed voltages to 600 V pp using a less elaborated version of VIC without steel wire last year when I visited him.

As Russ tells in his video experimenters don´t succeed in raising voltage under load but h2opower does and there is a youtube documentary.

The video did not document much.  It only shows a waveform on a scope and not a coil, WFC, or a single wire, in view.

It does.

It shows the voltage pp over a WFC of 10 tubes wired in series and a step charging effect due to gating. The step charging shows within the pulse train itself and also within a time period period of some minutes. The coil description in detail and the WFC are documented in a thread at hereticalbuilders.com.

People are looking for a working VIC with amp restriction, step charging and advanced voltage levels and here it is. what else are you looking for?

I suppose if you take it on faith that it is actually connected to a cell.  I'm sure someone like Mark Dansie would be looking for more proof.  

Quote from firepinto on December 27th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 06:55 AM

Quote from firepinto on December 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 04:50 AM

Quote from haxar on December 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM

We've been on hiatus about Stan Meyer's research for a while. Is it time? :)

The VIC circuitry needs to have some kind of use. I couldn't even get my replication to get up to 2000 volts, regardless of a cell connected. Must be in the windings.

h2opower has driven his VIC to about 1000 V peak peak now with WFC connected.

I´m wondering why nobody jumps into that.

I eye wittnessed voltages to 600 V pp using a less elaborated version of VIC without steel wire last year when I visited him.

As Russ tells in his video experimenters don´t succeed in raising voltage under load but h2opower does and there is a youtube documentary.

The video did not document much.  It only shows a waveform on a scope and not a coil, WFC, or a single wire, in view.

It does.

It shows the voltage pp over a WFC of 10 tubes wired in series and a step charging effect due to gating. The step charging shows within the pulse train itself and also within a time period period of some minutes. The coil description in detail and the WFC are documented in a thread at hereticalbuilders.com.

People are looking for a working VIC with amp restriction, step charging and advanced voltage levels and here it is. what else are you looking for?

I suppose if you take it on faith that it is actually connected to a cell.  I'm sure someone like Mark Dansie would be looking for more proof.

the only proof against getting cheated is personal replication.

imagine how star wars created cinema reality in the 1980s ...

youtube can´t be trusted at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AsdEXlPsobI

funny, right?

but analyzing the technical details and checking the logic involved may be helpful.

nevertheless h2opower´s video was a call for replication.

no risk at all :-)

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

so 100 V for each single cell is much more than those 2 to 8 V for a single cell of other experimenters at load condition, right? and that at a current in the mA range ...

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Hi Dan,

I've been reading these words over and over trying to make sense of them. Why use the word, "Only?" I was under the impression we all want this technology working and when we find it no matter how it is offered to us we should all flock over to get it. Why the use of the word "Only?"
Have you personally been to see him and gone over his work? How do you know if he "Only" has this working? I mean I have started to read the site he has posted information at and his gas processor looks awesome have you personally seen this device in action?
Bussi04 has been to see him personally and says good things about him have you also met with this h2opower and have a different point or perspective on just what it is he is or isn't doing?

My first post on this site was asking if anyone else has gotten results like his in their work and it remains unanswered to this date so I think it is safe to assume no one has gotten results like his with their work thus far, am I correct? I don't understand I thought we all want this technology. If h2opower has it working then why aren't we being told to support his efforts or at the very least talking about his post on the heretical site?
Dan from your statement you seem to have also met with him, seen his work, and personally have disagreements with some of the things he is doing, is this a correct assessment of your statement?

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

Quote from IED on December 27th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

It was in the 10 mA to 20 mA range and there were several different VIC transformers and 2 different types of WFC. the VIC I talk about  had a primary driven between 7 and 18 V, a secondary and 2 chokes on a single core. the chokes at least were bifilar wound as depicted at hereticalbuilders.com. there was another transformer using 2 x 2 chokes instead of 2.
I also saw a Gas Processor there operated at 40,000 V with EEC. I think there should be a colored photo at hereticalbuilders site that was made when I was there.
There was another configuration using a MOT and driving the chokes at very high voltages up to 1,800 V peak to peak over the serial cell. he used special high voltage MosFets up to 1,200 V to pulse that configuration. that configuration went into trouble due to isolation problems between the chokes at 1,800 V peak to peak but amp draw was always low. Stan Meyer once told about using triple isolated wire for the VIC as far as I can remember. Now we know why :-)
This heavily isolated wire must be produced on demand.

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 12:28 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

so 100 V for each single cell is much more than those 2 to 8 V for a single cell of other experimenters at load condition, right? and that at a current in the mA range ...

Yes, most haven't got the process to start. In order to get over the 2v level, the ions have to be prevented from conducting current. If the ions are seperated, made non-ions, I don't know, the voltage should be able to rise without increasing current. If someone got 8v across a single cell (direct contact with water, ie not isolated) and they were not putting into the cell massive amounts of power they may have been very close to the answer.

I just wanted to say the H2opower and Stan are close to the same voltage levels.
At the same time I wanted to point out the current for Stan's 8XA unit was high, a lot of talk about why the components are heavy duty like the SCR and bridge rectifier. Now as for the current meter, it's unlikely reading 100A, either it was modified or was a meter that read a percentage of the current in it's origanal circuit.(the current meter says charge amps like it was from a forktruck battery charger). There is much talk about high voltage 1K 2K 10K 20K I don't beleave this is nessarary. As Stan shows 30v and up. And yes, the higher the voltage the better the gas production.

Another point: The 8XA doesn't change the base frequency. It's 120hz (U.S.A.) and using an SCR as most have found out you can't gate it at 10khz it will just be triggered all the time. An SCR will not turn off untill the current goes below it's min holding current. This is likely the reason Stan placed a diode around the SCR to try to force the current off (would have to be a very leaky diode) But having the analog meter were it is would. It's likely gated under 10hz.

When Stan used the demo, he could control the voltage, the gate frequency, and the plate spacing. He was able to look into the clear cell and most likely hear the frequency and or the beat frequency. He could read the cell voltage and current. With these, he could get it to work.

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 03:33 PM

Quote from bussi04 on December 27th, 2012, 12:28 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

so 100 V for each single cell is much more than those 2 to 8 V for a single cell of other experimenters at load condition, right? and that at a current in the mA range ...

Yes, most haven't got the process to start. In order to get over the 2v level, the ions have to be prevented from conducting current. If the ions are seperated, made non-ions, I don't know, the voltage should be able to rise without increasing current. If someone got 8v across a single cell (direct contact with water, ie not isolated) and they were not putting into the cell massive amounts of power they may have been very close to the answer.

I just wanted to say the H2opower and Stan are close to the same voltage levels.
At the same time I wanted to point out the current for Stan's 8XA unit was high, a lot of talk about why the components are heavy duty like the SCR and bridge rectifier. Now as for the current meter, it's unlikely reading 100A, either it was modified or was a meter that read a percentage of the current in it's origanal circuit.(the current meter says charge amps like it was from a forktruck battery charger). There is much talk about high voltage 1K 2K 10K 20K I don't beleave this is nessarary. As Stan shows 30v and up. And yes, the higher the voltage the better the gas production.

Another point: The 8XA doesn't change the base frequency. It's 120hz (U.S.A.) and using an SCR as most have found out you can't gate it at 10khz it will just be triggered all the time. An SCR will not turn off untill the current goes below it's min holding current. This is likely the reason Stan placed a diode around the SCR to try to force the current off (would have to be a very leaky diode) But having the analog meter were it is would. It's likely gated under 10hz.

When Stan used the demo, he could control the voltage, the gate frequency, and the plate spacing. He was able to look into the clear cell and most likely hear the frequency and or the beat frequency. He could read the cell voltage and current. With these, he could get it to work.

8XA with an SCR will only work if all parameters needed are perfectly balanced. that means that the DC voltage by the diode is modified into symmetrical AC voltage by the chokes dynamics. if that works fine the SCR will interrupt at every pulse in the kHz range. If that balance doesn´t work the SCR will fire and shut down at 60 hz. so it´s wise to start with a MosFet instead of an SCR to find balance between chokes and WFC.

the correct way to measure amp flow and power consumption is to use an oscilloscope over a shunt resistor and calculate average amps. Stan´s meters in his demo configuration made a rough estimate about amp draw and today we take a digiscope, measure amps and voltage and calculate power consumption in an exact way over time.

Quote from IED on December 27th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Hi Dan,

I've been reading these words over and over trying to make sense of them. Why use the word, "Only?" I was under the impression we all want this technology working and when we find it no matter how it is offered to us we should all flock over to get it. Why the use of the word "Only?"
Have you personally been to see him and gone over his work? How do you know if he "Only" has this working? I mean I have started to read the site he has posted information at and his gas processor looks awesome have you personally seen this device in action?
Bussi04 has been to see him personally and says good things about him have you also met with this h2opower and have a different point or perspective on just what it is he is or isn't doing?

My first post on this site was asking if anyone else has gotten results like his in their work and it remains unanswered to this date so I think it is safe to assume no one has gotten results like his with their work thus far, am I correct? I don't understand I thought we all want this technology. If h2opower has it working then why aren't we being told to support his efforts or at the very least talking about his post on the heretical site?
Dan from your statement you seem to have also met with him, seen his work, and personally have disagreements with some of the things he is doing, is this a correct assessment of your statement?

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

H2opower ...... he is no longer on this site. He removed, had remove all his posts. I wish he was still here. I never met him or seen his setup except on U-Tube. I only know what he has posted on other forums. He might have it all figured out now. He is selling the system, not open source.  I just wanted to show that H2opower DID IT without having real high voltage across a single cell. Just like Stan.

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 03:55 PM

Quote from IED on December 27th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Hi Dan,

I've been reading these words over and over trying to make sense of them. Why use the word, "Only?" I was under the impression we all want this technology working and when we find it no matter how it is offered to us we should all flock over to get it. Why the use of the word "Only?"
Have you personally been to see him and gone over his work? How do you know if he "Only" has this working? I mean I have started to read the site he has posted information at and his gas processor looks awesome have you personally seen this device in action?
Bussi04 has been to see him personally and says good things about him have you also met with this h2opower and have a different point or perspective on just what it is he is or isn't doing?

My first post on this site was asking if anyone else has gotten results like his in their work and it remains unanswered to this date so I think it is safe to assume no one has gotten results like his with their work thus far, am I correct? I don't understand I thought we all want this technology. If h2opower has it working then why aren't we being told to support his efforts or at the very least talking about his post on the heretical site?
Dan from your statement you seem to have also met with him, seen his work, and personally have disagreements with some of the things he is doing, is this a correct assessment of your statement?

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

H2opower ...... he is no longer on this site. He removed, had remove all his posts. I wish he was still here. I never met him or seen his setup except on U-Tube. I only know what he has posted on other forums. He might have it all figured out now. He is selling the system, not open source.  I just wanted to show that H2opower DID IT without having real high voltage across a single cell. Just like Stan.

That´s no problem. All information can be found at hereticalbuilders.com, where we started before we jumped into open-source-energy.org.

Quote from IED on December 27th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Hi Dan,

I've been reading these words over and over trying to make sense of them. Why use the word, "Only?" I was under the impression we all want this technology working and when we find it no matter how it is offered to us we should all flock over to get it. Why the use of the word "Only?"
Have you personally been to see him and gone over his work? How do you know if he "Only" has this working? I mean I have started to read the site he has posted information at and his gas processor looks awesome have you personally seen this device in action?
Bussi04 has been to see him personally and says good things about him have you also met with this h2opower and have a different point or perspective on just what it is he is or isn't doing?

My first post on this site was asking if anyone else has gotten results like his in their work and it remains unanswered to this date so I think it is safe to assume no one has gotten results like his with their work thus far, am I correct? I don't understand I thought we all want this technology. If h2opower has it working then why aren't we being told to support his efforts or at the very least talking about his post on the heretical site?
Dan from your statement you seem to have also met with him, seen his work, and personally have disagreements with some of the things he is doing, is this a correct assessment of your statement?

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

Thanks for the response Bussi04, as now I feel I made the right choice in purchasing his new exciter array as I want something that works. Wow, he was getting 1800 volts to the WFC wow that's awesome. So now I believe him when he tells me a VIC transformer and driving circuitry are in the works for next year, man this is exciting for I will be able to get it at cost now.

I skip around a bit on his thread as it is kinda long at the heretical site but I found this post to be very informative as Meyer always talks about water being a part of the circuit in the form of resistance: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=9576&postcount=85 and h2opower talks about this with comparisons to Bob Boyces work and a lot more.

Thanks again for the responce,
Ed

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 03:55 PM

Quote from IED on December 27th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Quote from DanB on December 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM

Note:

H2opower is using 10 cells in series. This means each cell receives 1/10 the voltage. Putting 1000v across the tubes gives 100v each.

Look at the attached sheet from Stan. This is his single cell demo unit data. It shows the process starts at 30v and he goes up to 80v. also note the CURRENT the cell is using (it's amps not microamps). Reducing the current improves efficiancy but is not required to prove the process.

I think H2opower has found the process to get it to work. I think He is way off with one or more of his parameters, this is why he can only get it operating with all the tubes in series.

Hi Dan,

I've been reading these words over and over trying to make sense of them. Why use the word, "Only?" I was under the impression we all want this technology working and when we find it no matter how it is offered to us we should all flock over to get it. Why the use of the word "Only?"
Have you personally been to see him and gone over his work? How do you know if he "Only" has this working? I mean I have started to read the site he has posted information at and his gas processor looks awesome have you personally seen this device in action?
Bussi04 has been to see him personally and says good things about him have you also met with this h2opower and have a different point or perspective on just what it is he is or isn't doing?

My first post on this site was asking if anyone else has gotten results like his in their work and it remains unanswered to this date so I think it is safe to assume no one has gotten results like his with their work thus far, am I correct? I don't understand I thought we all want this technology. If h2opower has it working then why aren't we being told to support his efforts or at the very least talking about his post on the heretical site?
Dan from your statement you seem to have also met with him, seen his work, and personally have disagreements with some of the things he is doing, is this a correct assessment of your statement?

Question for Bussi04, Is he really getting these high voltages and keeping the amps going to the WFC in the milliampere range?

Best Regards,
Ed

H2opower ...... he is no longer on this site. He removed, had remove all his posts. I wish he was still here. I never met him or seen his setup except on U-Tube. I only know what he has posted on other forums. He might have it all figured out now. He is selling the system, not open source.  I just wanted to show that H2opower DID IT without having real high voltage across a single cell. Just like Stan.

Thanks for the reply Dan,

I am just glad I chose to talk with him for all the time I was thinking he would stop responding to me at his companies email address but he didn't. He seems like a real nice guy, just been through a lot of hard times. So Bussi04 is the only one to have actually seen his work, huh? Cool at least someone took the time to get to know him. I had been talking with him for about 5 months or so and in all that time he just kept answering my questions unless they where about things of a sensitive nature to his company but I learned a lot from him. He talks about things no one has ever talked about before which is why I believe in him. I too wish he was here but non the less I can read his post at the other site and can email him if I have a question about anything. I just hope he can gather up the support he needs to get started on getting the exciter arrays made as I don't want my money back I want a working system.
Thanks Dan for the responce,
Ed

I should note that in this video I state that I get mabey 12v when connected to the cell.

But with My own version of a bunch of different coils I tested using the back Spike I could get voltages really high and make gas production with literally no input at all.

The problem with doing this is that I found out by just doing brute force DC electrolysis I could get that same amount of gas production with just a little bit of current and over all is seemed that it was not helping as I could not get the type of production I thought I should. Mabey I should have just played with it more to get it better but just did not see any better production.

It dose however prove the prosses... HV Dissociation of the water molecule...

Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kPcZ7fZTS8

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 27th, 2012, 04:28 PM

I should note that in this video I state that I get mabey 12v when connected to the cell.

But with My own version of a bunch of different coils I tested using the back Spike I could get voltages really high and make gas production with literally no input at all.

The problem with doing this is that I found out by just doing brute force DC electrolysis I could get that same amount of gas production with just a little bit of current and over all is seemed that it was not helping as I could not get the type of production I thought I should. Mabey I should have just played with it more to get it better but just did not see any better production.

It dose however prove the prosses... HV Dissociation of the water molecule...

Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kPcZ7fZTS8

I think it helps to use a ferrite core with a very high AL value as PM 87/70 and large amounts of wire to increase inductance and capacitance for the bifilar windings. and then fine tune frequency and number of pulses using harmonic search. that way the voltage step charging and voltage pumping over time can be found. observation of oscilloscope over the cell will show different waveforms for different frequencies but the most important ones are those with symmetric AC voltage and same voltages levels in the positive and negative region.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 27th, 2012, 04:28 PM

It dose however prove the prosses... HV Dissociation of the water molecule...

Five Gallons per Hour = 18.9 Liters per Hour = 0.32 Liters per Minute

Not so good.  But I guess I'm to assume Stan meant gallons of water per hour not HHO gas, which would be very impressive.  My high power water distiller can only distill one gallon in four hours.

Just curious, does anyone know pretty close how much HHO gas at atmospheric pressure you can get from a Liter of water?  Check my math:

Isn't 1 Liter of water about 55.5 moles?

So you have 2 H(1) and 1 O(16)  is 55.5 * 17 = 943.5 * 0.08205784 * 295

Resulting in:  22839 Liters

So Stan thinks it is possible to turn 5 gallons of water into HHO gas in one hour?

5 * 3.785 Liters H2O in  -->  5 * 3.785 * 22839 Liters HHO out   (1 hour)

That is a flow rate of 7203 Liters per Minute.  I kind of uh uh doubt it.  I might classify Stan's statement as embellishment.

Quote from Dog-One on December 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 27th, 2012, 04:28 PM

It dose however prove the prosses... HV Dissociation of the water molecule...

Five Gallons per Hour = 18.9 Liters per Hour = 0.32 Liters per Minute

Not so good.  But I guess I'm to assume Stan meant gallons of water per hour not HHO gas, which would be very impressive.  My high power water distiller can only distill one gallon in four hours.

Just curious, does anyone know pretty close how much HHO gas at atmospheric pressure you can get from a Liter of water?  Check my math:

Isn't 1 Liter of water about 55.5 moles?

So you have 2 H(1) and 1 O(16)  is 55.5 * 17 = 943.5 * 0.08205784 * 295

Resulting in:  22839 Liters

So Stan thinks it is possible to turn 5 gallons of water into HHO gas in one hour?

5 * 3.785 Liters H2O in  -->  5 * 3.785 * 22839 Liters HHO out   (1 hour)

That is a flow rate of 7203 Liters per Minute.  I kind of uh uh doubt it.  I might classify Stan's statement as embellishment.

You'll have to go back and read Terry Dixon's posts, here dog-one
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=9359
 Just click on find all posts, there are only 7 but what he posted was really good information, know one except me even bothered to post a comment.:huh:

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 27th, 2012, 09:02 PM

You'll have to go back and read Terry Dixon's posts, here dog-one
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=9359
 Just click on find all posts, there are only 7 but what he posted was really good information, know one except me even bothered to post a comment.:huh:

Yes, that is it right there:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=573&pid=5830#pid5830

I knew I had seen this somewhere, I was going strictly from memory.

Thanks Jeff.

Quote from Dog-One on December 27th, 2012, 09:18 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 27th, 2012, 09:02 PM

You'll have to go back and read Terry Dixon's posts, here dog-one
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=9359
 Just click on find all posts, there are only 7 but what he posted was really good information, know one except me even bothered to post a comment.:huh:

Yes, that is it right there:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=573&pid=5830#pid5830

I knew I had seen this somewhere, I was going strictly from memory.

Thanks Jeff.

Your welcome Dog-one. It's sad we can't get Terry back to the forum.:huh:

Wow! This video blew me away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEceEHgaXoU&feature=player_embedded

I found it through Sterling Alan website.  

http://pesn.com/2012/12/27/9602253_LENR-to-Market_Weekly_December27/


I’m not into the Stanley Meyer stuff, but it looks like it may help some of you out who are working on it.

I once did some research on making my own batteries, I experimented with copper and magnesium plates in a solution of copper sulfate. For those wanting to experiment and want to find copper sulfate here is good source.

ZEP – Root Kill. You can find it the pluming section of a local store.

http://www.homedepot.com/buy/zep-2-lb-root-kill-zroot2.html

element 119

Quote from element 119 on December 28th, 2012, 11:21 AM

Wow! This video blew me away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEceEHgaXoU

Very cool video.  Another cold fusion reaction (transmutation), Aluminum to Silicon.  That has some potential.  May have to start saving all my aluminum cans to heat my house.  :)

bussi04 wrote

8XA with an SCR will only work if all parameters needed are perfectly balanced. that means that the DC voltage by the diode is modified into symmetrical AC voltage by the chokes dynamics. if that works fine the SCR will interrupt at every pulse in the kHz range. If that balance doesn´t work the SCR will fire and shut down at 60 hz. so it´s wise to start with a MosFet instead of an SCR to find balance between chokes and WFC.

Very interesting.  Does this mean that we would need to start the cell using the 120hz frequency? Inorder to get the symmetrical AC voltage to start?