All,

We probably need to study this some more:

Doug Konzen



It's a method to charge caps completely away from load, then dump caps into load.  If done properly the generator never kicks BEMF to the source motor.  This provides a method for a tiny motor to drive a large generator and actually end-up with a closed loop system capable of excess power output.  The main trick is to use open air core coils, then transfer at peak voltage.  So you need relatively low-lenz to start with and then some electronic enhancements to get the full effect.

Quote from Dog-One on December 5th, 2012, 09:07 PM

All,

We probably need to study this some more:

Doug Konzen



It's a method to charge caps completely away from load, then dump caps into load.  If done properly the generator never kicks BEMF to the source motor.  This provides a method for a tiny motor to drive a large generator and actually end-up with a closed loop system capable of excess power output.  The main trick is to use open air core coils, then transfer at peak voltage.  So you need relatively low-lenz to start with and then some electronic enhancements to get the full effect.

Interesting theory to let an induced generated voltage from a generator charge
caps during peak voltage(s), and then dump the caps onto resistive loads just
before back EMF kicks in at "top dead center" in order to "counteract" the
braking force of the BEMF.

I agree, it's worth looking into.

One way would be to get a basic setup up and running and then by hand crank
the generator shaft around and compare if the momentum is indeed lowered
during operation as opposed to "merely" dumping the generated voltage onto
some resistive (active) load, like a heat element or an old fashion light bulb (are
those even sold anymore?).

Thanks for sharing

Quote from Lynx on December 6th, 2012, 12:06 AM

Interesting theory to let an induced generated voltage from a generator charge
caps during peak voltage(s), and then dump the caps onto resistive loads just
before back EMF kicks in at "top dead center" in order to "counteract" the
braking force of the BEMF.

I agree, it's worth looking into.

One way would be to get a basic setup up and running and then by hand crank
the generator shaft around and compare if the momentum is indeed lowered
during operation as opposed to "merely" dumping the generated voltage onto
some resistive (active) load, like a heat element or an old fashion light bulb (are
those even sold anymore?).

Thanks for sharing

The more I look at it, the more it appears to fall inline with Bearden's "Massless Displacement Current" -- a concept where current follows voltage.  It is my understanding that with proper timing you can get a capacitor to charge with pure voltage potential without or with minimal current flow.  You then dump the capacitor's newly found charge to a load.  Wherever the excess "power" comes from must be considered as overunity.  Doug seems to have learned this concept well enough to lay it all on the line to Sterling Allan.  He sounds pretty confident.

Quote from Dog-One on December 6th, 2012, 06:05 AM

Quote from Lynx on December 6th, 2012, 12:06 AM

Interesting theory to let an induced generated voltage from a generator charge
caps during peak voltage(s), and then dump the caps onto resistive loads just
before back EMF kicks in at "top dead center" in order to "counteract" the
braking force of the BEMF.

I agree, it's worth looking into.

One way would be to get a basic setup up and running and then by hand crank
the generator shaft around and compare if the momentum is indeed lowered
during operation as opposed to "merely" dumping the generated voltage onto
some resistive (active) load, like a heat element or an old fashion light bulb (are
those even sold anymore?).

Thanks for sharing

The more I look at it, the more it appears to fall inline with Bearden's "Massless Displacement Current" -- a concept where current follows voltage.  It is my understanding that with proper timing you can get a capacitor to charge with pure voltage potential without or with minimal current flow.  You then dump the capacitor's newly found charge to a load.  Wherever the excess "power" comes from must be considered as overunity.  Doug seems to have learned this concept well enough to lay it all on the line to Sterling Allan.  He sounds pretty confident.

Well, that lead me to some Googling, which gave me this:

"Scalar current arises by the aforementioned abruptly bucking magnetic fields onto a caduceus wound or bifilar wound coil. Impressing these opposing fields onto a caduceus or bifilar wound coil would allow two opposing virtual currents to occur because, by symmetry of the windings, the opposite current vectors sum to an effective zero current. The currents are described as virtual since they are not comprised of electron flow in the wires, but rather a displacement current in the vacuum ZPE outside the wire, i.e., a gravity wave."

There's many theories baked into these statements, like those of Meyer, Keshe,
Tesla, i guess even Bearden is in there somewhere.

Source = http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Caduceus_08.pdf

i have looked in to this before ( not too deep) but enough to say that the coils he is using are wound in a particular order if some one had time to look it up and post it here.

i know this as there was some videos posted somewhere where he described this.

the coils from what i understand are wound from one end to the other then jump back and start winding again. this will be the best way to get the most out of the coil in this system. and everything is precisely wound as wire placement must make a huge deference... just my 2 cents...

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 6th, 2012, 09:25 AM

i have looked in to this before ( not too deep) but enough to say that the coils he is using are wound in a particular order if some one had time to look it up and post it here.

i know this as there was some videos posted somewhere where he described this.

the coils from what i understand are wound from one end to the other then jump back and start winding again. this will be the best way to get the most out of the coil in this system. and everything is precisely wound as wire placement must make a huge deference... just my 2 cents...

~Russ

Interesting.  Thanks for the tip Russ.

It would seem to me with an air core, this winding pattern would be relatively easy to do--use a bobbin with slits cut on each end, make a complete wind starting from the left slit, then exit the slit on the right, wrap through the bobbin air center, enter again on left and repeat.  Can't be any more difficult than winding toroids.  I'm not certain how this winding pattern would be beneficial, but given it's ease, it is worth a try.  I'll see if can put together an air core winding like this, this weekend and a simple rotor with only two magnets.  Shouldn't be too difficult to experiment with gating/timing to see if I can charge and dump caps without noticeable back EMF on the rotor.  What I'm not sure of is do I select capacitors of such value they completely charge in a single pass or would I want to select large capacitors and have multiple passes charge them--step charging?  I can't imagine I would get enough of an impulse from a single peak to do much of anything, but maybe I can.  Doug mentions something about "coil shorting" which I really don't understand at the moment.  Regardless, it would seem the rotor RPM, coil and capacitor all must be in some ballpark area in order to get the electronics to be of much help.  I'll give it a shot and see what it does--the clock is ticking...

Another thought that just occurred to me...   If the voltage generated by the coil (consider number of turns, RPM and magnet size/placement) is just slightly higher than typical diode biasing (0.7V or 1.4V for a bridge), I could directly rectify and store to the cap without any gating since the diodes would only grab the peak voltage anyway, albeit the capacitor wouldn't charge to very high voltage, but it would charge only on the peak, without any additional gating circuitry.  I'll have to think about the practicality of this some more, since I'm interested in the effect yes, but I really want something to charge common 12V batteries that can then run bigger applications.  Then again, the individual coils wouldn't be coupled, so with multiple coils all charging in independently (in parallel), I could just dump them all together in series--charge individually, dump together.  This may well work and use very few electronic components.

This may or may not be the video you were thinking of Russ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1SNYAoEak0

Quote from Dog-One on December 6th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 6th, 2012, 09:25 AM

i have looked in to this before ( not too deep) but enough to say that the coils he is using are wound in a particular order if some one had time to look it up and post it here.

i know this as there was some videos posted somewhere where he described this.

the coils from what i understand are wound from one end to the other then jump back and start winding again. this will be the best way to get the most out of the coil in this system. and everything is precisely wound as wire placement must make a huge deference... just my 2 cents...

~Russ

Interesting.  Thanks for the tip Russ.

It would seem to me with an air core, this winding pattern would be relatively easy to do--use a bobbin with slits cut on each end, make a complete wind starting from the left slit, then exit the slit on the right, wrap through the bobbin air center, enter again on left and repeat.  Can't be any more difficult than winding toroids.  I'm not certain how this winding pattern would be beneficial, but given it's ease, it is worth a try.  I'll see if can put together an air core winding like this, this weekend and a simple rotor with only two magnets.  Shouldn't be too difficult to experiment with gating/timing to see if I can charge and dump caps without noticeable back EMF on the rotor.  What I'm not sure of is do I select capacitors of such value they completely charge in a single pass or would I want to select large capacitors and have multiple passes charge them--step charging?  I can't imagine I would get enough of an impulse from a single peak to do much of anything, but maybe I can.  Doug mentions something about "coil shorting" which I really don't understand at the moment.  Regardless, it would seem the rotor RPM, coil and capacitor all must be in some ballpark area in order to get the electronics to be of much help.  I'll give it a shot and see what it does--the clock is ticking...

Another thought that just occurred to me...   If the voltage generated by the coil (consider number of turns, RPM and magnet size/placement) is just slightly higher than typical diode biasing (0.7V or 1.4V for a bridge), I could directly rectify and store to the cap without any gating since the diodes would only grab the peak voltage anyway, albeit the capacitor wouldn't charge to very high voltage, but it would charge only on the peak, without any additional gating circuitry.  I'll have to think about the practicality of this some more, since I'm interested in the effect yes, but I really want something to charge common 12V batteries that can then run bigger applications.  Then again, the individual coils wouldn't be coupled, so with multiple coils all charging in independently (in parallel), I could just dump them all together in series--charge individually, dump together.  This may well work and use very few electronic components.

This may or may not be the video you were thinking of Russ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1SNYAoEak0

"coil shorting"

i have some buddy that have been playing with this and thay say its good stuff...

it basically turns the coil in to a supper conductor for a split second...  just what i got told  f9rom the black network...)

also in the coils. you can wrap the wire back on the same layer. it don't need to be out side the coil...

Also i think he was using some type of insulator tape in-between the layers.. i think this adds capacitance witch may be the part hat is needed... i know that messing with the VIC matrix coils i found some interesting propriety that may be us full in the application...

BUT. you don't need to to the wire in the middle... to much extra work. PS haven't seen the videos yet so i can tell you if its the same.. will look later.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 7th, 2012, 07:31 AM

Quote from Dog-One on December 6th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 6th, 2012, 09:25 AM

i have looked in to this before ( not too deep) but enough to say that the coils he is using are wound in a particular order if some one had time to look it up and post it here.

i know this as there was some videos posted somewhere where he described this.

the coils from what i understand are wound from one end to the other then jump back and start winding again. this will be the best way to get the most out of the coil in this system. and everything is precisely wound as wire placement must make a huge deference... just my 2 cents...

~Russ

Interesting.  Thanks for the tip Russ.

It would seem to me with an air core, this winding pattern would be relatively easy to do--use a bobbin with slits cut on each end, make a complete wind starting from the left slit, then exit the slit on the right, wrap through the bobbin air center, enter again on left and repeat.  Can't be any more difficult than winding toroids.  I'm not certain how this winding pattern would be beneficial, but given it's ease, it is worth a try.  I'll see if can put together an air core winding like this, this weekend and a simple rotor with only two magnets.  Shouldn't be too difficult to experiment with gating/timing to see if I can charge and dump caps without noticeable back EMF on the rotor.  What I'm not sure of is do I select capacitors of such value they completely charge in a single pass or would I want to select large capacitors and have multiple passes charge them--step charging?  I can't imagine I would get enough of an impulse from a single peak to do much of anything, but maybe I can.  Doug mentions something about "coil shorting" which I really don't understand at the moment.  Regardless, it would seem the rotor RPM, coil and capacitor all must be in some ballpark area in order to get the electronics to be of much help.  I'll give it a shot and see what it does--the clock is ticking...

Another thought that just occurred to me...   If the voltage generated by the coil (consider number of turns, RPM and magnet size/placement) is just slightly higher than typical diode biasing (0.7V or 1.4V for a bridge), I could directly rectify and store to the cap without any gating since the diodes would only grab the peak voltage anyway, albeit the capacitor wouldn't charge to very high voltage, but it would charge only on the peak, without any additional gating circuitry.  I'll have to think about the practicality of this some more, since I'm interested in the effect yes, but I really want something to charge common 12V batteries that can then run bigger applications.  Then again, the individual coils wouldn't be coupled, so with multiple coils all charging in independently (in parallel), I could just dump them all together in series--charge individually, dump together.  This may well work and use very few electronic components.

This may or may not be the video you were thinking of Russ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1SNYAoEak0

"coil shorting"

i have some buddy that have been playing with this and thay say its good stuff...

it basically turns the coil in to a supper conductor for a split second...  just what i got told  f9rom the black network...)

also in the coils. you can wrap the wire back on the same layer. it don't need to be out side the coil...

Also i think he was using some type of insulator tape in-between the layers.. i think this adds capacitance witch may be the part hat is needed... i know that messing with the VIC matrix coils i found some interesting propriety that may be us full in the application...

BUT. you don't need to to the wire in the middle... to much extra work. PS haven't seen the videos yet so i can tell you if its the same.. will look later.

Sounds really cool Russ, video is worth watching.:D

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 7th, 2012, 07:31 AM

"coil shorting"

i have some buddy that have been playing with this and thay say its good stuff...

it basically turns the coil in to a supper conductor for a split second...  just what i got told  f9rom the black network...)

also in the coils. you can wrap the wire back on the same layer. it don't need to be out side the coil...

Also i think he was using some type of insulator tape in-between the layers.. i think this adds capacitance witch may be the part hat is needed... i know that messing with the VIC matrix coils i found some interesting propriety that may be us full in the application...

BUT. you don't need to to the wire in the middle... to much extra work. PS haven't seen the videos yet so i can tell you if its the same.. will look later.

I can't quite get my head around "coil shorting", but Doug definitely suggests it.


My first thought is this would really lug the generator, but apparently not.  Doug makes the following comments:

Quote from Doug Konzen

LOOK at the diode-plug circuit in the diagram above. This should make perfect logical sense to you, and anyone else, if you follow the circuit. Note that the generator coil only FILLS CAPS. That's all it does. It NEVER sees the load. This eliminates Lenz-law lugging to a generator, for example, whenever a load is put on the system. THE ONLY lugging will occur when CAPS FILL UP...So fill caps via a method that does not lug the system when filling caps!!

One method is to SHORT COILS AT PEAKS, which fills up caps so fast you wouldn't believe, and outputting caps to load is simple as pie. Just use the two-stage or "diode plug" circuit. Another method to fill caps without lugging is the ROPMEROUK type Muller generator with magnets behind coil-cores. Another is the THANE type generators.

So....    My suggestion is for the next pulse motor build off, all entries must be overunity.  hehe :P

Found some more info about the Caduceus or Tensor Coil.

http://n-atlantis.com/caduceuscoil.htm

Quote from Matt Watts on February 3rd, 2014, 05:26 PM

Found some more info about the Caduceus or Tensor Coil.

http://n-atlantis.com/caduceuscoil.htm

And an interesting audio excerpt from W.B. Smith.