Tungsten spark plugs

chevy luv1

Tungsten spark plugs
« on November 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2012, 08:57 PM by chevy luv1

There are some new spark plugs double pure tungsten. There are 4 types.
We made them out of Champion spark plug bodies. We are making custom plugs for engines or generators. We have a full manual machine shop, including a surface grinder with spin fixtures which is needed to do this job. We also have about 40 years experience in manual machining. We also would like to make custom spark plugs for the public.

Thanks to all

Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #1, on November 26th, 2012, 10:16 PM »Last edited on November 26th, 2012, 10:26 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from chevy luv1 on November 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM
There are some new spark plugs on eBay that are double pure tungsten. There are 4 types. The item numbers are 110977075604 , 110977076244 , 110977077075 , 110977077934
We made them out of Champion spark plug bodies. We are making custom plugs for engines or generators. We have a full manual machine shop, including a surface grinder with spin fixtures which is needed to do this job. We also have about 40 years experience in manual machining. We also would like to make custom spark plugs for the public.

Thanks to all
Sounds awesome.  I have been meaning to get some plugs capable of developing and handling a pure plasma jet ignition.  

Generic plugs are blown apart in short order.

Do contact Aaron Murakami at info@whitedragonpress.com with your product line-up.  I'm sure he will be interested.  I have already received from him a newsletter with the plugs he found so far.  Bet he would add yours to the list.  Quite a few clientele.  Sure wouldn't hurt to do a little networking.

Oh, and welcome to Open Source Energy.  Hope you enjoy your stay.

Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #2, on January 7th, 2013, 11:09 PM »
Quote from chevy luv1 on November 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM
There are some new spark plugs double pure tungsten. There are 4 types.
We made them out of Champion spark plug bodies. We are making custom plugs for engines or generators. We have a full manual machine shop, including a surface grinder with spin fixtures which is needed to do this job. We also have about 40 years experience in manual machining. We also would like to make custom spark plugs for the public.

Thanks to all
Any chance you can make some similar to a Bosch F6DTC?  Please PM me for details.

Many thanks,

chevy luv1

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #3, on January 11th, 2013, 08:15 PM »Last edited on January 11th, 2013, 08:23 PM by chevy luv1
Like this one on ebay Item number 110998808956   3 grounds on it real cool.

Thanks.
 Matt

Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #4, on January 11th, 2013, 08:46 PM »Last edited on January 11th, 2013, 08:47 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from chevy luv1 on January 11th, 2013, 08:15 PM
Like this one on ebay Item number 110998808956   3 grounds on it real cool.


Oh yeah, that is sweet.  Should work great.  Nice work Matt.

My Bosch plug is coming apart on the bench and I haven't even used it in the engine yet.  Plasma jets of an inch long I guess will do that though.  Using only 47uF at 1500 volts.  Makes a darn nice ignition.


Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #6, on January 12th, 2013, 09:32 PM »Last edited on January 12th, 2013, 09:41 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from Jeff Nading on January 12th, 2013, 08:05 PM
That one is cool looking.:D
Isn't it though.  What's neat is when you fire a three pronged plug like this, it shoots a jet of plasma straight away from the center electrode towards the combustion chamber.  I sure wish I had a high speed camera that could really capture what it looks like.  Matt could probably use a frame or two on his eBay page, like a slowed down animated GIF or something.  That would be slick.  It might help him optimize these dudes too if you could really see what is happening.

I think I'd also like to see a new one almost identical to this one, but with a completely flush mount insulator and a tungsten ring around the ground.  If you are running plasma sparks, you don't need any heat in the plug to help the ignition, let the plasma do all the work and keep the plug cool as possible.  Probably good to have nice rounded edges to minimize any hot spots as well.  Maybe even a little Tesla dome on the center electrode.


Jeff Nading

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #7, on January 13th, 2013, 06:47 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on January 12th, 2013, 09:32 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on January 12th, 2013, 08:05 PM
That one is cool looking.:D
Isn't it though.  What's neat is when you fire a three pronged plug like this, it shoots a jet of plasma straight away from the center electrode towards the combustion chamber.  I sure wish I had a high speed camera that could really capture what it looks like.  Matt could probably use a frame or two on his eBay page, like a slowed down animated GIF or something.  That would be slick.  It might help him optimize these dudes too if you could really see what is happening.

I think I'd also like to see a new one almost identical to this one, but with a completely flush mount insulator and a tungsten ring around the ground.  If you are running plasma sparks, you don't need any heat in the plug to help the ignition, let the plasma do all the work and keep the plug cool as possible.  Probably good to have nice rounded edges to minimize any hot spots as well.  Maybe even a little Tesla dome on the center electrode.
That would be an awesome plug.:D

Badger

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #8, on January 14th, 2013, 09:09 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2013, 09:10 AM by Badger
Quote from Dog-One on January 12th, 2013, 09:32 PM
I think I'd also like to see a new one almost identical to this one, but with a completely flush mount insulator and a tungsten ring around the ground.  If you are running plasma sparks, you don't need any heat in the plug to help the ignition, let the plasma do all the work and keep the plug cool as possible.  Probably good to have nice rounded edges to minimize any hot spots as well.  Maybe even a little Tesla dome on the center electrode.
Have you seen the attached document?

A little more work than I'd like to put into it, but I'd like to buy a few...

chevy luv1

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #9, on January 17th, 2013, 06:47 PM »
Quote from Badger on January 14th, 2013, 09:09 AM
Quote from Dog-One on January 12th, 2013, 09:32 PM
I think I'd also like to see a new one almost identical to this one, but with a completely flush mount insulator and a tungsten ring around the ground.  If you are running plasma sparks, you don't need any heat in the plug to help the ignition, let the plasma do all the work and keep the plug cool as possible.  Probably good to have nice rounded edges to minimize any hot spots as well.  Maybe even a little Tesla dome on the center electrode.
Have you seen the attached document?

A little more work than I'd like to put into it, but I'd like to buy a few...
Yep that is a cool document.  If you want tungsten plugs let me know and we can make them you can email me at megaalh@gmail.com thanks Matt

Badger

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #10, on February 1st, 2013, 08:08 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on January 12th, 2013, 09:32 PM
Isn't it though.  What's neat is when you fire a three pronged plug like this, it shoots a jet of plasma straight away from the center electrode towards the combustion chamber.  I sure wish I had a high speed camera that could really capture what it looks like.  Matt could probably use a frame or two on his eBay page, like a slowed down animated GIF or something.  That would be slick.  It might help him optimize these dudes too if you could really see what is happening.

I think I'd also like to see a new one almost identical to this one, but with a completely flush mount insulator and a tungsten ring around the ground.  If you are running plasma sparks, you don't need any heat in the plug to help the ignition, let the plasma do all the work and keep the plug cool as possible.  Probably good to have nice rounded edges to minimize any hot spots as well.  Maybe even a little Tesla dome on the center electrode.
I don't understand what makes a plasma plug different than a regular plug, is it just the amount of power going to it?  And why is the jet of plasma shooting straight out from the electrode and not hitting the grounding prongs?


Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #11, on February 1st, 2013, 10:11 AM »
Quote from Badger on February 1st, 2013, 08:08 AM
I don't understand what makes a plasma plug different than a regular plug, is it just the amount of power going to it?  And why is the jet of plasma shooting straight out from the electrode and not hitting the grounding prongs?
Energy per Time (joules/sec).  When you dump around 30 joules in microseconds, it tears the crap out of the plug (electrodes).  It literally disintegrates small pieces of the metal from the intense heat.  Just imagine an arc welder pulse for every ignition spark and how long a typical factory spark plug would last in those conditions.  These plugs Matt is offering use tungsten electrodes which give them the ability to better handle the heat and high amperage generated by the plasma.  Keep in mind, nothing I know of is impervious to the kind of energy transfer we are dealing with here.

Why these things shoot a jet of plasma out the way they do...?  I don't know.  Maybe the Primer Fields videos will help to answer that.  All I know is they do work that way, having a setup on my desk that does it.  I've tried taking videos of it but it happens so fast the shutter speed just can't catch it reliably.  The human eye sure can though and it is impressive, especially the sound and ozone/NOx that comes with it.  And with probably less than 10,000 sparks through my Bosch F6DTC test plug, the wear is obvious already.

Matt Watts

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #12, on February 1st, 2013, 08:25 PM »Last edited on February 1st, 2013, 08:28 PM by Matt Watts
Matt, what is the chance you guys can fabricate a spark plug with the basic of the DPF shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVif4hUAJ8c

I ask because if it is possible, because I see a simple method of converting a standard internal combustion engine into something like a Papp engine using nuclear fusion in the combustion chamber as the true fuel source.  The inert gases could simply be recirculated from the exhaust back to the intake so existing engines could run pretty much unmodified.  Obviously an engine built from the ground up would be more efficient, but we are talking nuclear fusion here and I would think we could handle a few inefficiencies in the interim.  Let me know what you think.

Jeff Nading

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #13, on February 1st, 2013, 08:45 PM »
Quote from Dog-One on February 1st, 2013, 08:25 PM
Matt, what is the chance you guys can fabricate a spark plug with the basic of the DPF shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVif4hUAJ8c

I ask because if it is possible, because I see a simple method of converting a standard internal combustion engine into something like a Papp engine using nuclear fusion in the combustion chamber as the true fuel source.  The inert gases could simply be recirculated from the exhaust back to the intake so existing engines could run pretty much unmodified.  Obviously an engine built from the ground up would be more efficient, but we are talking nuclear fusion here and I would think we could handle a few inefficiencies in the interim.  Let me know what you think.
Cool idea DI.:cool::D:P

Badger

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #14, on February 4th, 2013, 04:57 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on February 1st, 2013, 10:11 AM
Energy per Time (joules/sec).  When you dump around 30 joules in microseconds, it tears the crap out of the plug (electrodes).  It literally disintegrates small pieces of the metal from the intense heat.  Just imagine an arc welder pulse for every ignition spark and how long a typical factory spark plug would last in those conditions.  These plugs Matt is offering use tungsten electrodes which give them the ability to better handle the heat and high amperage generated by the plasma.  Keep in mind, nothing I know of is impervious to the kind of energy transfer we are dealing with here.

Why these things shoot a jet of plasma out the way they do...?  I don't know.  Maybe the Primer Fields videos will help to answer that.  All I know is they do work that way, having a setup on my desk that does it.  I've tried taking videos of it but it happens so fast the shutter speed just can't catch it reliably.  The human eye sure can though and it is impressive, especially the sound and ozone/NOx that comes with it.  And with probably less than 10,000 sparks through my Bosch F6DTC test plug, the wear is obvious already.
Ok, makes sense now.  So, that would be a good idea to try, D1, if you could make a plug that can handle the joules/sec, it would be a fairly easy conversion.  Maybe even possible to use water vapor as a fuel too...

Others are working on a circuit to put in large amounts of current in a very short time, so I think it would be worth while to work on a plug that can handle it.  I'm supposed to give Matt a call sometime soon, so I'll see what he has to say.

chevy luv1

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #15, on February 4th, 2013, 11:42 AM »
Quote from Badger on February 4th, 2013, 04:57 AM
Quote from Dog-One on February 1st, 2013, 10:11 AM
Energy per Time (joules/sec).  When you dump around 30 joules in microseconds, it tears the crap out of the plug (electrodes).  It literally disintegrates small pieces of the metal from the intense heat.  Just imagine an arc welder pulse for every ignition spark and how long a typical factory spark plug would last in those conditions.  These plugs Matt is offering use tungsten electrodes which give them the ability to better handle the heat and high amperage generated by the plasma.  Keep in mind, nothing I know of is impervious to the kind of energy transfer we are dealing with here.

Why these things shoot a jet of plasma out the way they do...?  I don't know.  Maybe the Primer Fields videos will help to answer that.  All I know is they do work that way, having a setup on my desk that does it.  I've tried taking videos of it but it happens so fast the shutter speed just can't catch it reliably.  The human eye sure can though and it is impressive, especially the sound and ozone/NOx that comes with it.  And with probably less than 10,000 sparks through my Bosch F6DTC test plug, the wear is obvious already.
Ok, makes sense now.  So, that would be a good idea to try, D1, if you could make a plug that can handle the joules/sec, it would be a fairly easy conversion.  Maybe even possible to use water vapor as a fuel too...

Others are working on a circuit to put in large amounts of current in a very short time, so I think it would be worth while to work on a plug that can handle it.  I'm supposed to give Matt a call sometime soon, so I'll see what he has to say.
I ma at home on Monday and Tuesday. I been at work so I have some time for plugs. Seen the new type that you all are thanking the best idea is to make one in steel for testing and go form there.
thanks to all
Matt

chevy luv1

RE: Tungsten spark plugs
« Reply #16, on July 28th, 2013, 09:18 PM »
These Tungsten Spark Plugs were made to support new ideas for burning fuel better.   Great for racing, generators, what ever reason.   Also, laws are moving up on cleaner burning engines.   There are benefits from these plugs that no other plug is able to deliver having a solid core and no resistor like these do.

I'm sorry to say that the amount of time and cost for us to build these plugs anymore needs to be ended.  Get them while they last.

For Sale first time seen ( that I know of ) experimental 14 mm. Double Pure Tungsten spark plug that has a standard ground strap with a pure Tungsten cap welded on.   These are gaped at .040   This plug may require a extra crush washer because the ground strap section is about .30 longer from welding.  The center electrode is a solid pure Tungsten stepped shaft.  The steps interlock the center electrode from moving and is also glued with high heat glue.

These plugs are made to withstand much larger amounts of current form ignition systems with way more power.   Where other plugs burn up, these last much longer.   They are experimental spark plugs and we have heard good reports so far on our plugs.

We have other types of plugs if this type does not meet what your looking for.

All our plugs are Solid Core, No Resistor, For Many Types Of Applications

The shipping cost stays at $6.00 no matter 1 or 8  

Because these plugs are advertised other places they can be sold out anytime.