indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine

KevinW_EnhancedLiving

indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« on October 7th, 2012, 03:09 PM »Last edited on October 7th, 2012, 03:34 PM by KevinW_EnhancedLiving
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects?filter_category=Technology

I think we should start a campaign for Russ and the Noble Gas "Engine". indiegogo.com can be very effective if its done properly. Lets get Russ the funding we all deserve!

Anyone else have some input on this? Or maybe we can start writing up a campaign.

:)
http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum
For Example:
Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum got $1,370,511

symanuk

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #1, on October 8th, 2012, 12:09 AM »
I thought Russ said that this one was being privately funded? one would assume there is a purpose behind that.  I am all for funding Russ per se though, perhaps we should focus on his safety equipment and general lab equipment that help towards all projects? I for one would like to see him properly protected and able to really delve into this stuff to gain deep insight, with the right scientific approach to help others replicate and minimise the myriad debunk / question sessions.

FaradayEZ

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #2, on October 8th, 2012, 04:08 AM »
Quote from symanuk on October 8th, 2012, 12:09 AM
I thought Russ said that this one was being privately funded? one would assume there is a purpose behind that.  I am all for funding Russ per se though, perhaps we should focus on his safety equipment and general lab equipment that help towards all projects? I for one would like to see him properly protected and able to really delve into this stuff to gain deep insight, with the right scientific approach to help others replicate and minimise the myriad debunk / question sessions.
It could be an idea, if Russ agrees with it...


ethospete

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #3, on October 15th, 2012, 01:34 PM »
Quote from symanuk on October 8th, 2012, 12:09 AM
I thought Russ said that this one was being privately funded? one would assume there is a purpose behind that.
I'd made a few previous donations towards Russ's work and then he showed me the Intelegentary 'Popper' kit and I agreed it sounded interesting and I agreed to fund it just so that we could find out if it really worked, or not. Whilst waiting for it to arrive (6+ weeks) we'd decided to replicate Bob's unit as we could see that looked like it was working and so diversified on to that instead of just sitting around waiting for the kit to arrive and, when it did finally arrive, it was just the spark plugs and electronic module so as things turn out it was a good job he did.

I agree the more funding Russ gets the better to help him with his mission and to help us all to learn more as well.

I'd not heard of indiegogo.com before and it might be worth trying... Also worth looking at: http://www.gofundme.com/zero-labs-workshop which Zero Fossil Fuel has chosen out of all of them to help fund his new workshop. He's about to lose his job so another worthy place to also make donations if you have a few bucks to spare. Also, if you read on his page there you'll see his reasons for choosing gofundme.com which make a lot of sense. Plus, as he is doing, he can feed people into donating on his own website to save losing money on their fees so more of the money that gets donated actually gets used for the project which makes sense too.

Obviously it's up to Russ to decide what he wants to do... but I agree with you that it sounds like a good idea.

All the best

ethospete...

~Russ

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #4, on October 16th, 2012, 04:30 AM »Last edited on October 16th, 2012, 04:35 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
i will need a team of people that are willing to work one on one with me, we will need to look things over with a fine tooth comb. we will need to have our set goals and then we can see if this will be the correct option.  

i agree this is long overdue. i also agree that we need to make sure this is the way to go.

for now, lets make this thread a place to brain storm ideas and goals of the " RWG foundation" or what ever we deiced to cal it.

one goal for me would be to pursue theses technologies and open source them...  the same a Z. maybe me and Z can work in the public eye together, validating each others work?

one goal is to bring people together and place them in the correct " group" of people to use there knowledge together. kinda like the forums here but more organized.

is we all know, this is not a Russ adventure but we are one together but ill be the guy... the guy that will do his best to bring people together and "be in the public eye" but all of us. we all know i'm not selfish and all credit will go to everyone else...

so, start posting ideas we all can agree on, goals and other thoughts and lets see where it takes us...

PS. what i want to start is a 501C so the main goal would be to get funding to start a 501C for a place to bring researchers to a place ( on line or move to one place) to work on alternate energy's.

ps. please don't use the word "free" energy in your thoughts. i don't agree on the terminology.

this is the alternate energy's. the energy is all around us, we just need to find a way to " intercept" the energy around us. like solar or wind. the energy is traveling right through us. we just need to intersect it and use it... it is free but its not " free energy"

~Russ

symanuk

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #5, on October 16th, 2012, 05:25 AM »
I actually did go to Z's funding page intending to make a contribution, but the language that he used on the page turned me off unfortunately.

He made some borderline racist remarks (OK I understand his frustration relating to his work situation, but I think this was a bit much).

The second thing that I found quite dissuading was the seeming lack of direction for what he wanted to occur.  He thought he might want to be like Mark Dansie, he thought he may finish one or two investigations, etc.  I think if you are going to attract funding then you need to stay true to yourself - Russ you are a good guy, you keep politics etc out of discussions, you have your beliefs and recognise that others have theirs.  So you are good on the first part.

I think that the second part needs a specific charter of some sort that outlines the projects you intend to work on and then some type of formalised approach to working on them.  It is the only fair thing to do if people are taking to properly funding you.  As things stand with you providing your time and effort free (with donations along the way) you have every right to flit between projects that interest you and abandon them as you see fit.

In an ideal world there would be a sufficient ground swell of support to allow you to focus your time and energy on this as your full time job - I am not sure that there is enough of an audience to let that happen just now though.

Maybe you can investigate switching to part time hours at your job with part time hours covered by your supporters? maybe you can look at taking a brief sabbatical? who knows really.  What I would say is that it will require careful thought and some realistic financial planning! Nobody wants to see you or your family worse off as a result of taking this type of thing on.

FaradayEZ

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #6, on October 16th, 2012, 06:57 AM »Last edited on October 16th, 2012, 07:00 AM by FaradayEZ
Quote from symanuk on October 16th, 2012, 05:25 AM
I actually did go to Z's funding page intending to make a contribution, but the language that he used on the page turned me off unfortunately.

He made some borderline racist remarks (OK I understand his frustration relating to his work situation, but I think this was a bit much).

The second thing that I found quite dissuading was the seeming lack of direction for what he wanted to occur.  He thought he might want to be like Mark Dansie, he thought he may finish one or two investigations, etc.  I think if you are going to attract funding then you need to stay true to yourself - Russ you are a good guy, you keep politics etc out of discussions, you have your beliefs and recognise that others have theirs.  So you are good on the first part.

I think that the second part needs a specific charter of some sort that outlines the projects you intend to work on and then some type of formalised approach to working on them.  It is the only fair thing to do if people are taking to properly funding you.  As things stand with you providing your time and effort free (with donations along the way) you have every right to flit between projects that interest you and abandon them as you see fit.

In an ideal world there would be a sufficient ground swell of support to allow you to focus your time and energy on this as your full time job - I am not sure that there is enough of an audience to let that happen just now though.

Maybe you can investigate switching to part time hours at your job with part time hours covered by your supporters? maybe you can look at taking a brief sabbatical? who knows really.  What I would say is that it will require careful thought and some realistic financial planning! Nobody wants to see you or your family worse off as a result of taking this type of thing on.
You make sense Symanuk. Its one thing to see what the possibilities are, but another to make a radical step. Always have a backup plan.

One way of making money is using youtube. As i notice there's little advertising on Russ his video's i wonder if he gets enough money out of them.

If you have 15.000 hits you should be able to buy a nice new computer i hear...

So what's up with that?

And in regards to diversing into other alternative projects. I have my prefferences, if Russ would have a priority counter on his site... the project with the most funding gets the most attention (without exactly giving numbers) then all is still clear, open and fine for me to make a decision what to sponsor.

And knowing that all outcome is open source, so an ok goal too.

If Russ wants to make more money out of the popper success, and why not (as long as he still has given the knowledge that could make it work to the public)

***Then he can already try to find a big sponsor, he has his video's, he has a laptop, he can do presentations... so that's already an option.

(just make sure the people have enough good info to make it themselves if they choose so)

Enhancements don't need to be public yet? Maybe, maybe not diff. question. If you made them while being paid by a boss..then they should belong to the boss..?

***He can start a foundation or a ministry? lol

All kinds of options that could be talked about with some legal counsil, or found on the internet.

Who doesn't wish that Russ can make a decent living, get enough sleep and doesn't have to be a slave of the workforce anymore, but thinker away for mankind?

But we all need to stay pushed by something. And if that was to find an alternative energy source and then you find it? What then, what next? And what was the real motivation..and is it still there? And does a big sponsor stand in the way of what's best for mankind?
May not have to be so..


Its difficult one's you reach something, as if ye don't want to say goodbuy to the hope for it you had before?
I myself am never good in finishing stuff, better in starting up things.






















 











Jeff Nading

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #7, on October 16th, 2012, 09:59 AM »
Quote from FaradayEZ on October 16th, 2012, 06:57 AM
Quote from symanuk on October 16th, 2012, 05:25 AM
I actually did go to Z's funding page intending to make a contribution, but the language that he used on the page turned me off unfortunately.

He made some borderline racist remarks (OK I understand his frustration relating to his work situation, but I think this was a bit much).

The second thing that I found quite dissuading was the seeming lack of direction for what he wanted to occur.  He thought he might want to be like Mark Dansie, he thought he may finish one or two investigations, etc.  I think if you are going to attract funding then you need to stay true to yourself - Russ you are a good guy, you keep politics etc out of discussions, you have your beliefs and recognise that others have theirs.  So you are good on the first part.

I think that the second part needs a specific charter of some sort that outlines the projects you intend to work on and then some type of formalised approach to working on them.  It is the only fair thing to do if people are taking to properly funding you.  As things stand with you providing your time and effort free (with donations along the way) you have every right to flit between projects that interest you and abandon them as you see fit.

In an ideal world there would be a sufficient ground swell of support to allow you to focus your time and energy on this as your full time job - I am not sure that there is enough of an audience to let that happen just now though.

Maybe you can investigate switching to part time hours at your job with part time hours covered by your supporters? maybe you can look at taking a brief sabbatical? who knows really.  What I would say is that it will require careful thought and some realistic financial planning! Nobody wants to see you or your family worse off as a result of taking this type of thing on.
You make sense Symanuk. Its one thing to see what the possibilities are, but another to make a radical step. Always have a backup plan.

One way of making money is using youtube. As i notice there's little advertising on Russ his video's i wonder if he gets enough money out of them.

If you have 15.000 hits you should be able to buy a nice new computer i hear...

So what's up with that?

And in regards to diversing into other alternative projects. I have my prefferences, if Russ would have a priority counter on his site... the project with the most funding gets the most attention (without exactly giving numbers) then all is still clear, open and fine for me to make a decision what to sponsor.

And knowing that all outcome is open source, so an ok goal too.

If Russ wants to make more money out of the popper success, and why not (as long as he still has given the knowledge that could make it work to the public)

***Then he can already try to find a big sponsor, he has his video's, he has a laptop, he can do presentations... so that's already an option.

(just make sure the people have enough good info to make it themselves if they choose so)

Enhancements don't need to be public yet? Maybe, maybe not diff. question. If you made them while being paid by a boss..then they should belong to the boss..?

***He can start a foundation or a ministry? lol

All kinds of options that could be talked about with some legal counsil, or found on the internet.

Who doesn't wish that Russ can make a decent living, get enough sleep and doesn't have to be a slave of the workforce anymore, but thinker away for mankind?

But we all need to stay pushed by something. And if that was to find an alternative energy source and then you find it? What then, what next? And what was the real motivation..and is it still there? And does a big sponsor stand in the way of what's best for mankind?
May not have to be so..


Its difficult one's you reach something, as if ye don't want to say goodbuy to the hope for it you had before?
I myself am never good in finishing stuff, better in starting up things.
I have to agree with what is being said here by symanuk and EZ. The 501C exemption would be the way to go for Russ and family. Think what Russ could do if he could get a good nights sleep. It's high time something like this did happen.:cool::D:P

ethospete

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #8, on October 18th, 2012, 01:18 PM »
Chatting with Russ and from what he was saying he really needs a tangible objective first and then start working on raising funding and his idea is along the lines of setting up a 501C global alternative energy think-tank where he can then bring together all the people to exchange ideas and information on the current projects which are being worked upon.

People could then be employed by the 501C but could still work online, from wherever they are situated in the world, to research the information Russ needed and to contribute their own thoughts, ideas and information to the project.

He would obviously need to find the right people to work with so he will be interested to hear your thoughts on this idea and find out who thinks that it is a good idea and who might be interested if this is the route he decides to go down at some time in the future.

So I thought I'd just throw his idea out here for him following on from this earlier discussion about funding and for some further discussion on the topic...

Personally I think it is an excellent idea.

All the best

ethospete...

haxar

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #9, on October 18th, 2012, 06:06 PM »
I have a genuine dislike for the state.

I reckon any paper trail with the government, using their forms and applications (poison), would hand over control and influence of the research, even when applying for "tax-exempt status".


~Russ

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #11, on October 29th, 2012, 09:36 PM »
Quote from symanuk on October 19th, 2012, 12:33 AM
Pastor Russ of the Church of Open Source Energy has a certain ring to it...
:)

fantastic! lol

so we all know... this is something i have been looking in to for a while... so it will be slow... ill post here when i fell im making progress...

i want to say thank guys and this is indeed needed!!!! ( or something!!)

~Russ

FaradayEZ

RE: indiegogo.com / Funding for RWGReaserch / Noble Engine
« Reply #12, on November 21st, 2012, 11:41 AM »
Maybe this is the right thread to discuss the steps on how to go on with the premade approachmail to dr. T?

Could be that it is already on its way, could be there are some things to iron out first?

For the readers: dr.T has a company with software for labwork. We are trying to get/borrow/loan that software, even for a period, to progress the work on the popper.

In the case that it is approved; what are the next obstacles with that? How to familiarise with the software, what measuring devices need to be purchased? Who if any has experience with lablike measuring systems? Can we already anticipate on the coming experiments? Which ones are those and how far do they have to be worked out? Are there forum members with more mathematical skills or people they know who could help with that side of it?
etc. etc.
Even if this is jumping the gun, we could use more of those working out the formulas type of math skills in here i feel.