I'm just gonna throw out some ideas here, given what I've seen in the popper thread.
What if the EPG first were to be vacuum pumped, filled with hydrogen, and then
by using the "popper" tech applying medium voltage to the gas, spark it with
some HV, get a reaction and then start it all over again.
Perhaps the induced voltage in the (many) secondary coils during the reaction would
be "tremendeous", or whatever Stan Meyer called it.
Alright, hit me :D

No one?
Okidok, I'll just rant on then:
How about continously accelerating the hydrogen, continously priming it using medium voltage, "set it on fire"
using HV every now and then and maybe get fairly high voltages out of the many secondary coils as a result of all this?
The popper thread really has sparked a lot of ideas, they just pop up all the time :D

Quote from Lynx on October 2nd, 2012, 06:43 AM

No one?
Okidok, I'll just rant on then:
How about continously accelerating the hydrogen, continously priming it using medium voltage, "set it on fire"
using HV every now and then and maybe get fairly high voltages out of the many secondary coils as a result of all this?
The popper thread really has sparked a lot of ideas, they just pop up all the time :D

EPG?

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=41&pid=7335#pid7335

Try answering these questions on it

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM

I'm just gonna throw out some ideas here, given what I've seen in the popper thread.
What if the EPG first were to be vacuum pumped, filled with hydrogen, and then
by using the "popper" tech applying medium voltage to the gas, spark it with
some HV, get a reaction and then start it all over again.
Perhaps the induced voltage in the (many) secondary coils during the reaction would
be "tremendeous", or whatever Stan Meyer called it.
Alright, hit me :D

Wellll...if it would create plasmaballs inside..then Axil has a paper that says that those balls give of electrons without depletion.

And that is a whole other way then pushing ionized mass through pickup coils that will resist. And they will, like the magnet in the copper tube falls slowly.


To test this hypothese would be quit simple i think.

Put the pickup coil around the popper. Connect it to a meter. If it picks up electrons and the force of the popp is not deminished... then there is no induction working from the pickup coil and so the way of proof of concept is closer.

Because this is a crued way of checking it, it is only a preliminary test of your idea.

Also the piston could be given a positive charge and be measured after a pop.

(i think to put this post also into the popper testsheet, you agree?)

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 25th, 2012, 12:26 PM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM

I'm just gonna .................

...........(i think to put this post also into the popper testsheet, you agree?)

Well, I don't know what the "popper testsheet" is but these are just wild ideas
regarding the EPG, not the popper.

The EPG consists of many revs of copper tubes surrounded by a whole lot of coils
and no moving parts in them except for the "permanentely magnetized" gas,
which is supposed to be accelerated by some of the coils and as a result of that
the pickup coils are then supposed to be used as a power source, so it's quite
different from the popper the way I see it.

Quote from Lynx on November 25th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 25th, 2012, 12:26 PM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM

I'm just gonna .................

...........(i think to put this post also into the popper testsheet, you agree?)

Well, I don't know what the "popper testsheet" is but these are just wild ideas
regarding the EPG, not the popper.

The EPG consists of many revs of copper tubes surrounded by a whole lot of coils
and no moving parts in them except for the "permanentely magnetized" gas,
which is supposed to be accelerated by some of the coils and as a result of that
the pickup coils are then supposed to be used as a power source, so it's quite
different from the popper the way I see it.

As more and more "things to test" came along on the popper thread it was discussed and i took on the job of gathering the test into 1 document.
Its open for anyone at
http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/popper/

So as the subject in the previous post can be tested on the popper..and Russ has a thing for the EPG... i thought it logically to suggest to place it also in the poppertest sheet... (wil be in v1.7 then)

The popper can test this thesis, because it can make a plasma, and so fall into the categorie of which Axil suggested it to give of electrons without depleting.
If it does in the testway..then we know it could work on the EPG..!! (giving of electrons..giving of electricity and so have a working EPG)
 
And so make something i think will never work into something that might work..
Although the pickup coils have to change also still for that..;)

I hope this clears things up so you understand what i'm trying and suggested in the post b4 :)

Quote from Lynx on November 25th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 25th, 2012, 12:26 PM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM

I'm just gonna .................

...........(i think to put this post also into the popper testsheet, you agree?)

Well, I don't know what the "popper testsheet" is but these are just wild ideas
regarding the EPG, not the popper.

The EPG consists of many revs of copper tubes surrounded by a whole lot of coils
and no moving parts in them except for the "permanentely magnetized" gas,
which is supposed to be accelerated by some of the coils and as a result of that
the pickup coils are then supposed to be used as a power source, so it's quite
different from the popper the way I see it.

Second reply

Yes, i know the setup of the EPG. And i think it will not work that way. Due to the induction forces of the pickup coils. (and the gas atoms also being a whole ring entity and so will be slowed down. A fast atom may be faster then the induction reacting, but the next one entering will be caught and so the whole ring will slow down)

But, when running a plasmoid around the tubes, and using parallel wirings that are positively charged, then the plasmoid would give of electrons as long as it is kept alive..to the wirings. And induction force would not be playing along.

But the only plasmoids that may stay alive longer are the ones that act like a smokering. As mentioned in a post on the popper, about the plasma gun etc.

Well if it wasn't for differing ideas this World would be a dull place.
Good luck.

Quote from Lynx on November 26th, 2012, 10:10 AM

Well if it wasn't for differing ideas this World would be a dull place.
Good luck.

Yup, we have to make our own party :D

And thx, but i think a plasmoid smokering/vortex thingerydoo is better kept alive in a Keshe reactor then in the made EPG's .
So i'm not building it
Good luck to them though

Quote from Lynx on November 26th, 2012, 10:10 AM

Well if it wasn't for differing ideas this World would be a dull place.
Good luck.

Wasn't the base idea of the EPG to pump a gaseous magnetic fluid around inside and then pickup the current from the windings on the outside?   And because it is a closed loop, it costs you nearly nothing to just pump the gas around in a big circle, but the potential to get quite a bit of magnetically induce electrical output is high.  So what you are asking is could we pump the gas real fast by creating a plasma discharge inside the EPG angled in such a way to make the gas circulate real fast.  That about right?

So with a little mechanical work to the EPG, why not place a couple of spark plugs or electrodes and hit them with a plasma spark as to force a circular rotation.  Yeah, seems viable.  I played with Aaron Murakami's plasma spark and it is pretty easy.  Basically you create a typical high voltage spark and then using a HV diode allow a high current source to discharge following the spark.  You can dump however many amps you want depending upon the diodes you use.  The spark acts like a short circuit when it jumps so the alternate high amperage path through the diode just follows the spark and presto, plasma.  I think modern TIG welding machines use this same technique so you don't have to actually touch the welding material with the tip to start the arc.

So my next question is what within the EPG handles the massive gas expansion during a plasma spark?  Or are you thinking just little plasma balls timed in a fashion similar to a particle accelerator?   Good grief, maybe I just discovered what CERN is really up to.

Quote from Dog-One on November 26th, 2012, 07:15 PM

Quote from Lynx on November 26th, 2012, 10:10 AM

Well if it wasn't for differing ideas this World would be a dull place.
Good luck.

Wasn't the base idea of the EPG to pump a gaseous magnetic fluid around inside and then pickup the current from the windings on the outside?   And because it is a closed loop, it costs you nearly nothing to just pump the gas around in a big circle, but the potential to get quite a bit of magnetically induce electrical output is high.  So what you are asking is could we pump the gas real fast by creating a plasma discharge inside the EPG angled in such a way to make the gas circulate real fast.  That about right?

So with a little mechanical work to the EPG, why not place a couple of spark plugs or electrodes and hit them with a plasma spark as to force a circular rotation.  Yeah, seems viable.  I played with Aaron Murakami's plasma spark and it is pretty easy.  Basically you create a typical high voltage spark and then using a HV diode allow a high current source to discharge following the spark.  You can dump however many amps you want depending upon the diodes you use.  The spark acts like a short circuit when it jumps so the alternate high amperage path through the diode just follows the spark and presto, plasma.  I think modern TIG welding machines use this same technique so you don't have to actually touch the welding material with the tip to start the arc.

So my next question is what within the EPG handles the massive gas expansion during a plasma spark?  Or are you thinking just little plasma balls timed in a fashion similar to a particle accelerator?   Good grief, maybe I just discovered what CERN is really up to.

Thanks, I guess that was what I was trying to brainstorm about without trying to
go into any details on how it could be done.
Maybe the plasma thing is the key here, once that is up and running then maybe
it will make the magnetic fluid generate quite a bit more of electric energy in the
pick up coil's as opposed to "merely" accelerating the magnetic fluid via the
"accelerating" coils.
To be even more adventurous I'd go a step further and suggest to set the whole
magnetic fluid on fire, I.E turn the magnetic fluid itself into a plasma, then
accelerate that plasma around using the accelerating coils.
Talk about tremendeous electric energy in the pick up coils :D

I'm wandering if diode's on the pickup coils will make a difference for the induction.

It should i think. Cause with a diode the current can only flow in one direction. What will the coil do? As i've seen, it is mostly voltage that spikes when playing with magnets and coils. And as the current can't run the way back maybe the voltage will spike even more when using a diode?