Hey guys,

I have decided to build a stove that uses water as the source fuel, but I need a little help from you guys. I plan on getting the energy to split the water from solar panels then running the gas to a storage tank. Once full, or at least enough to cook with, run that to a bbq or camping stove.  

Has anyone ever done this before?
If so, I have a few questions:

what gas I should use hho or just pure hydrogen?
What is the best design for a generator for this? do you have the plans? Maybe one of Meyers generators?
When the gas is made, is there a way I can pressurize it in a propane tank?
Do I need a special burner head where the flame comes out?

Thanks guys,
Daniel

Quote from silverbeatle on June 26th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Hey guys,

I have decided to build a stove that uses water as the source fuel, but I need a little help from you guys. I plan on getting the energy to split the water from solar panels then running the gas to a storage tank. Once full, or at least enough to cook with, run that to a bbq or camping stove.  

Has anyone ever done this before?
If so, I have a few questions:

what gas I should use hho or just pure hydrogen?
What is the best design for a generator for this? do you have the plans? Maybe one of Meyers generators?
When the gas is made, is there a way I can pressurize it in a propane tank?
Do I need a special burner head where the flame comes out?

Thanks guys,
Daniel

i believe once you have a hho spliter installed off your bubbler(to split the hh and the o into seperate containers) you should have a one way gas valve into each tank.... i believe you can store under 13 pounds of pressure without any major danger... that should allow your hho genorator to catch up to keep the flow going...

There is no way to separate the two different gasses once they have combined in a chamber.  Storing hydrogen mixed with oxygen is an extremely bad idea, a company in California did that.  They had some people die after an explosion destroyed the building.  Now if you build a cell that separates the gasses from the point of creation, like the one Russ is borrowing, it may be safer.  In my opinion if your using solar panels, you would be better to size your battery bank based on how many watts you need to run a large electrolysis cell on demand.  

Also watch Russ' videos about the quenching disks.  You will want some of those built into your burners.

Quote from firepinto on June 26th, 2012, 03:38 PM

There is no way to separate the two different gasses once they have combined in a chamber.  Storing hydrogen mixed with oxygen is an extremely bad idea, a company in California did that.  They had some people die after an explosion destroyed the building.  Now if you build a cell that separates the gasses from the point of creation, like the one Russ is borrowing, it may be safer.  In my opinion if your using solar panels, you would be better to size your battery bank based on how many watts you need to run a large electrolysis cell on demand.  

Also watch Russ' videos about the quenching disks.  You will want some of those built into your burners.

Just watched the videos on quenching. good stuff. it seem like the 316L stainless 40 micron works really well. Did we ever find ceramic??

I guess it all depends, but how many watts are needed to run a "large electrolysis cell"?

Quote from silverbeatle on June 26th, 2012, 10:19 PM

Quote from firepinto on June 26th, 2012, 03:38 PM

There is no way to separate the two different gasses once they have combined in a chamber.  Storing hydrogen mixed with oxygen is an extremely bad idea, a company in California did that.  They had some people die after an explosion destroyed the building.  Now if you build a cell that separates the gasses from the point of creation, like the one Russ is borrowing, it may be safer.  In my opinion if your using solar panels, you would be better to size your battery bank based on how many watts you need to run a large electrolysis cell on demand.  

Also watch Russ' videos about the quenching disks.  You will want some of those built into your burners.

Just watched the videos on quenching. good stuff. it seem like the 316L stainless 40 micron works really well. Did we ever find ceramic??

I guess it all depends, but how many watts are needed to run a "large electrolysis cell"?

no ceramic...

my buddy Paul did how ever make some and i will be testing them soon.

see here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=160

I need to update his videos and also make one of the disks... but we did not find any ceramic. not thats going to work like we want.

also, the SS disks did work but need more testing as they got HOT and i haven't done any long runs with them to see how they handle the heat.

last.

if you force air with the HHO you can get it to work with out flashing back... so the disks are not needed but a flash back arrester is still needed in Anny system as a secondary safety.

welcome and sounds like a fun project!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on June 27th, 2012, 12:52 AM

Quote from silverbeatle on June 26th, 2012, 10:19 PM

Quote from firepinto on June 26th, 2012, 03:38 PM

There is no way to separate the two different gasses once they have combined in a chamber.  Storing hydrogen mixed with oxygen is an extremely bad idea, a company in California did that.  They had some people die after an explosion destroyed the building.  Now if you build a cell that separates the gasses from the point of creation, like the one Russ is borrowing, it may be safer.  In my opinion if your using solar panels, you would be better to size your battery bank based on how many watts you need to run a large electrolysis cell on demand.  

Also watch Russ' videos about the quenching disks.  You will want some of those built into your burners.

Just watched the videos on quenching. good stuff. it seem like the 316L stainless 40 micron works really well. Did we ever find ceramic??

I guess it all depends, but how many watts are needed to run a "large electrolysis cell"?

no ceramic...

my buddy Paul did how ever make some and i will be testing them soon.

see here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=160

I need to update his videos and also make one of the disks... but we did not find any ceramic. not thats going to work like we want.

also, the SS disks did work but need more testing as they got HOT and i haven't done any long runs with them to see how they handle the heat.

last.

if you force air with the HHO you can get it to work with out flashing back... so the disks are not needed but a flash back arrester is still needed in Anny system as a secondary safety.

welcome and sounds like a fun project!

~Russ

good stuff. Lets see if Paul's ceramic works.

Yea I thought about generating HHO then forcing it to the burners. The problem is I can't store HHO. Firepinto says HHO storage is VERY dangerous and I am taking him for his word on that (see above comment). So I am thinking I should store pure hydrogen in tanks (propane tanks??) then hook it up to a stove. what you guys think?