100% water powered motorbike in new zeland


securesupplies

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #2, on May 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM »
Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 23rd, 2012, 10:50 AM
Sounds like something Meyers did, but without trying to market it.
NOTE
this is done by vibrating the water whilst electorlyzing it at the same time the releases hydrogen stay trapped in greater concentration with in the water mixture.

there are seveal mixtiing technigue vibration method been done by japanese
prior this must be used now.

pakakezu

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #3, on May 23rd, 2012, 12:53 PM »
Quote from securesupplies on May 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM
this is done by vibrating the water whilst electorlyzing it at the same time the releases hydrogen stay trapped in greater concentration with in the water mixture.
So when we put an atomizer piezo under the electrolysis plates the gas production drops because the gas output remains trapped? Anybody got to the point where the liquid saturated?


securesupplies

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #4, on May 23rd, 2012, 02:37 PM »Last edited on May 23rd, 2012, 02:41 PM by securesupplies
this show that even, if you put detergent it won't bubble as the vibration break the water tension and h2 release from electrolizer is obsorbed into water kinda of saturating it,  Stanely said a unformly homogenised mix. or simething very similar
so he fractured it meter mix and the I am sure found he could vibrate buuble out mean it was a mix fuel

see here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUPE0Z9V82E

Quote from securesupplies on May 23rd, 2012, 02:37 PM
this show that even, if you put detergent it won't bubble as the vibration break the water tension and h2 release from electrolizer is obsorbed into water kinda of saturating it,  Stanely said a unformly homogenised mix. or simething very similar
so he fractured it meter mix and the I am sure found he could vibrate buuble out mean it was a mix fuel

see here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUPE0Z9V82E
so in conclusion the NZ Zealand guy, did some ting easy just concenrtraded the
h2 saturatured in the water, a little thing all the hho guys have missed.
better do some experiementing on this now, if you have a powerfull electrolizer
use the water  in the electrolizer, more than the gas after running it, and see what happens,  than also try vibrating it during the electrolization process to see if you get same result or better than this guy. ps better down load and re post that video every one.

securesupplies

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #5, on May 28th, 2012, 07:30 AM »Last edited on May 28th, 2012, 07:40 AM by securesupplies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUfRRQXAvYE&feature=related

it is important to note that the original videos, show not additives not mixing,
you have to watch very carefully what they are showing is that even with detergetnt not bubbles are allowed to form or are controlled to be so small they are micro Nano bubbles.  now these guys are getting things to run
even when moving the saturated liquid to tanks.

Imagine not trying to move it but injectit straight to chamber via stans system
 would it work , with out current knowledge ?

The video particulary older ones fromOHMASA GAS clearly show hydrogen and oxygen released by electrolyser is shaken not stirred back into the water and not escaping as bubbles this is very interesting,  way to approach it is immediately debunk all hho gas strategies as trying to control the gas with open air or bubbles now look to be wrong way

to compare to stans staged system.  connect the 2 or look closer at stans final discoveries particulary the quenching tube to injector. this would keep the
ohmasa gas in solution right to the injector.

Just apply knowledge for a moment

water tank = steam =vibraton= wfc= quenching tubes to injector
final squeeze and volatge. ( all in matter of seconds)

would h2o in  OHMASA GAS saturated form work much better if applied in stans system,?    "dam right it would. "

If your excited,
go through
right click and save every page in the forum to you hard disc now.

an use download help to save videos from you tube
and start building

find something to help with today and post it or make it .

Stuff happening. get on it.

Dan.


zaneaussie

RE: cavitation catching ,electrolysed hydrogen in the water
« Reply #7, on August 16th, 2013, 02:02 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on February 6th, 2013, 03:41 AM
I believe that caviation during electolyzation is capturing h in the water
to saturate it to equal gasoline

research it
Hey there,

Just came across some images that where reasonably hard to find and thought I would post them here.
Steve talks about "entrainment" as a key word in his device. There is very little technical info on this but I came to think of coupled oscillators, and there are obviously two hoses connected to the device indicating a pump was used to circulate the water.
Any thoughts about what the two silver looking objects on each side of the device above the orange container might be?

AHL

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #8, on August 16th, 2013, 02:08 AM »
This video is fairly old. Im unsure why he never went to market or even released how he made it. But its all been shelved from what i can tell. I have seen other videos of steve since he made that bike and in the background of one of the videos you can see that same bike just sitting there and he has moved on to other stuff. Not sure what the go is but something is fishy somewhere. (Sorry, i cant remember what the other videos were i saw)

zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #9, on August 16th, 2013, 02:19 AM »
Quote from AHL on August 16th, 2013, 02:08 AM
This video is fairly old. Im unsure why he never went to market or even released how he made it. But its all been shelved from what i can tell. I have seen other videos of steve since he made that bike and in the background of one of the videos you can see that same bike just sitting there and he has moved on to other stuff. Not sure what the go is but something is fishy somewhere. (Sorry, i cant remember what the other videos were i saw)
Hey,

Well I did see a website where someone contacted Steve to find out about what the story was and the only comment he apparently made to this person was "Due to political and financial circumstances - we are unable to continue with production".

My take on this is that he was politically pressured and/or paid out to keep this technology suppressed.

AHL

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #10, on August 16th, 2013, 03:14 AM »Last edited on August 16th, 2013, 03:24 AM by AHL
Well i found the video ofter much searching my utube history. Seems this video is old as well, not sure if it predates the bike or not. But if you look at 1:45, you will see the bike in the background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfhacTEcZhE
Edit: and if your wondering how i spotted that bike in the background, its because im a biker lmao.



Zaneaussie, yes from memory that was on http://peswiki.com from memory.

zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #11, on August 16th, 2013, 04:12 AM »Last edited on August 16th, 2013, 04:14 AM by zaneaussie
Quote from AHL on August 16th, 2013, 03:14 AM
Well i found the video ofter much searching my utube history. Seems this video is old as well, not sure if it predates the bike or not. But if you look at 1:45, you will see the bike in the background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfhacTEcZhE
Edit: and if your wondering how i spotted that bike in the background, its because im a biker lmao.



Zaneaussie, yes from memory that was on http://peswiki.com from memory.
Yes, you are exactly correct, great memory! Apparently Biosfuel also made something called an ecotube but I have found nothing technical on it ...here is the reference by the way nice bike if thats yours :)

But yeh strange how quietly this one disappeared under the carpet.




zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #15, on August 16th, 2013, 07:53 AM »
Quote from AHL on August 16th, 2013, 07:09 AM
Quote from zaneaussie on August 16th, 2013, 04:38 AM
Quote from AHL on August 16th, 2013, 04:35 AM
I wasnt aware of the ecotube.
Yes thats my bike, its American made Victory Jackpot.
Very nice! Would be cool to have that baby run for free!
Haha. in this case id rather gasoline lol.

Im in Syd, where u at?
lol fair enough :)
Im in Brisbane..small world!


Matt Watts

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #17, on August 24th, 2013, 07:17 AM »Last edited on August 24th, 2013, 07:28 AM by Matt Watts
Cavitation as Daniel said.  I also suspect the Bob Boyce electrolyzer following the same principal.  Cavitation is a side-effect of vibration within the fuel cell.  You get the correct resonant stimulation within the fuel cell and cavitation adds energy to the process.

Some interesting discoveries about cavitation.  It is suspected when the tiny bubbles reform back to water while undergoing cavitation, there is actually a microscopic nuclear fusion reaction taking place.  I think it's termed the LeClair Effect and appears to be repeatable.  This effect explains why even the toughest of materials are effected by cavitation--microscopic nuclear bombs would do that to anything.

http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/14/1664/8502365_keelynet-summarizes-leclairs-3-4x-overunity-cavitation-report/

Supposedly, Mark LeClair will be at the GlobalBEM conference.  I'll plan on attending that session and get the gritty details if I can.

zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #18, on August 24th, 2013, 07:49 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on August 24th, 2013, 07:17 AM
Cavitation as Daniel said.  I also suspect the Bob Boyce electrolyzer following the same principal.  Cavitation is a side-effect of vibration within the fuel cell.  You get the correct resonant stimulation within the fuel cell and cavitation adds energy to the process.

Some interesting discoveries about cavitation.  It is suspected when the tiny bubbles reform back to water while undergoing cavitation, there is actually a microscopic nuclear fusion reaction taking place.  I think it's termed the LeClair Effect and appears to be repeatable.  This effect explains why even the toughest of materials are effected by cavitation--microscopic nuclear bombs would do that to anything.

http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/14/1664/8502365_keelynet-summarizes-leclairs-3-4x-overunity-cavitation-report/

Supposedly, Mark LeClair will be at the GlobalBEM conference.  I'll plan on attending that session and get the gritty details if I can.
Interesting read although I was aware of the cavitation effect and it's implications in zero point fields.

So what you are saying is that Steve put the water through some type of cavitation proceedure which somehow altered the water enough to be used as is and without electrolysis to run a motor vehicle?

If that was the case how might one cavitate the water in such a fashion?

I mean it looks absolutely amazing and almost incomprehensible that you could alter water in that way as to just make a motor run without the need for anything further?

Your thoughts?


Lynx

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #19, on August 24th, 2013, 08:23 AM »
Quote from zaneaussie on August 24th, 2013, 07:49 AM
So what you are saying is that Steve put the water through some type of cavitation proceedure which somehow altered the water enough to be used as is and without electrolysis to run a motor vehicle?
I like your way of thinking here
Sure, until proven otherwise I'd say that building a cell that which uses cavitation for splitting water into H2 and O2 should be perfectly possible to do.
No electrolysis, no electric fracturing, just vibrations/cavity/sound waves/vibrating mechanical energy/whatever you would like to call it.
Nice.
That's good thinking ouside the box, keep it up

zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #20, on August 24th, 2013, 08:40 AM »Last edited on August 24th, 2013, 08:51 AM by zaneaussie
Quote from Lynx on August 24th, 2013, 08:23 AM
Quote from zaneaussie on August 24th, 2013, 07:49 AM
So what you are saying is that Steve put the water through some type of cavitation proceedure which somehow altered the water enough to be used as is and without electrolysis to run a motor vehicle?
I like your way of thinking here
Sure, until proven otherwise I'd say that building a cell that which uses cavitation for splitting water into H2 and O2 should be perfectly possible to do.
No electrolysis, no electric fracturing, just vibrations/cavity/sound waves/vibrating mechanical energy/whatever you would like to call it.
Nice.
That's good thinking ouside the box, keep it up
Thanks :)

Yeh well the words Steve used keep running through my head.."it's about hydrogen entrainment" whatever he means by this is anyone's guess but entrainment at least from a scientific standpoint is the process where two interacting and oscillating systems that have different periods (such as hydrogen and oxygen for example) start assuming a common period.

For example when two pendulums mounted on the same board are set in motion one will slow and the other speed up until the two are in perfect synchrony usually but not always 180 degrees out of phase from each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(physics)




Matt Watts

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #21, on August 24th, 2013, 08:54 AM »Last edited on August 24th, 2013, 09:08 AM by Matt Watts
And shazamm!  What you are talking about is also described by Dale Pond:  Sympathetic Vibratory Physics.  He gets into the dirty details on his site and explains the difference between resonance and vibration.  It's subtle, but understandable based on WHERE the oscillation is coming from.


So for grins, lets suppose you have an electrolysis cell, normal brute force type.  Connected to that cell you have a pulsing source that you can adjust until it hits some frequency within the plates of the cell that cause the plates to rapidly squeeze and expand much faster than the water can move into and out of those cavities.  Now add a little vacuum to the cell so the water is more likely to cavitate.  Hmmm, maybe we get some gas production that is beyond what we can explain by brute force, because just maybe the cavitation of the water between the plates is assisting the process.  Seem like a reasonable explanation on Stanley Meyer Day...?

Lynx

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #22, on August 24th, 2013, 01:22 PM »Last edited on August 24th, 2013, 01:27 PM by Lynx
Sure, I'd buy that.
Until it's officially out here, complete with documents and all, I'd say that what mr Pond has to offer full well could be applied the way you suggest D1 and proved to be working just fine, the way we all hope it would.
AAMOF, at cavitation, when vacuum is produced, that itself would lead to lower conductivity between the plates/tubes, which in turn would mean a rise of voltage and a decrease of current.
Makes perfect sense to me.

zaneaussie

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #23, on August 24th, 2013, 07:17 PM »Last edited on August 24th, 2013, 08:21 PM by zaneaussie
Quote from Lynx on August 24th, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sure, I'd buy that.
Until it's officially out here, complete with documents and all, I'd say that what mr Pond has to offer full well could be applied the way you suggest D1 and proved to be working just fine, the way we all hope it would.
AAMOF, at cavitation, when vacuum is produced, that itself would lead to lower conductivity between the plates/tubes, which in turn would mean a rise of voltage and a decrease of current.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Yeh we might be on to something here. We should set-up some testing of sorts!

Quote from Dog-One on August 24th, 2013, 08:54 AM
And shazamm!  What you are talking about is also described by Dale Pond:  Sympathetic Vibratory Physics.  He gets into the dirty details on his site and explains the difference between resonance and vibration.  It's subtle, but understandable based on WHERE the oscillation is coming from.


So for grins, lets suppose you have an electrolysis cell, normal brute force type.  Connected to that cell you have a pulsing source that you can adjust until it hits some frequency within the plates of the cell that cause the plates to rapidly squeeze and expand much faster than the water can move into and out of those cavities.  Now add a little vacuum to the cell so the water is more likely to cavitate.  Hmmm, maybe we get some gas production that is beyond what we can explain by brute force, because just maybe the cavitation of the water between the plates is assisting the process.  Seem like a reasonable explanation on Stanley Meyer Day...?
Wow thanks for sharing!! Sympathetic Vibratory physics is an area we haven't really looked at and it seems other devices at least from appearances seem to be viable. This could be a whole new area of focus. Perhaps this is what Bob Boyce is driving at?? http://www.myskunkworks.net/servlet/the-67/TRIPLE-FREQUENCY-GENERATOR-IC/Detail when superimposing an AC voltage on a DC voltage?

I for one will be having a read of Dale Pond's material! Very interesting stuff...

All great thoughts guys :)

I found this if someone has some spare time and wants to have a listen...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c-qzlPuRfA


Gunther Rattay

RE: 100% water powered motorbike in new zeland
« Reply #24, on August 25th, 2013, 12:22 AM »
Quote from Dog-One on August 24th, 2013, 08:54 AM
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So for grins, lets suppose you have an electrolysis cell, normal brute force type.  Connected to that cell you have a pulsing source that you can adjust until it hits some frequency within the plates of the cell that cause the plates to rapidly squeeze and expand much faster than the water can move into and out of those cavities.  Now add a little vacuum to the cell so the water is more likely to cavitate.  Hmmm, maybe we get some gas production that is beyond what we can explain by brute force, because just maybe the cavitation of the water between the plates is assisting the process.  Seem like a reasonable explanation on Stanley Meyer Day...?
idea:

What about a moderated thread covering a dolist for ideas like that:

i.e. " 1. testing different vacuum conditions on gas production in a pulsed brute force cell to observe cavitation activities" followed by forum member names who want to get into that task and an exactly defined partlist for the experiment

"2. ..." and so on ...

that way we get step by step observations into different aspects of that technology and some workload share.