OK, here's what I'd like some input on.
The basic setup would have two tubes shaped as a spiral,
one is the anode, the other is a cathode.
Now you pump a cooling fluid through the center of these charged tubes.
Like the electrolyte touching the exterior of these tubes, the fluid on the inside of these tubes should carry a current.
Any thoughts on the effects this may cause?

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM

OK, here's what I'd like some input on.
The basic setup would have two tubes shaped as a spiral,
one is the anode, the other is a cathode.
Now you pump a cooling fluid through the center of these charged tubes.
Like the electrolyte touching the exterior of these tubes, the fluid on the inside of these tubes should carry a current.
Any thoughts on the effects this may cause?

Don't really understand your question Robert, is this something you are building, something you want to build or just a question about an idea you have? Do you have a photo of the item? Never have I seen a spiral tube setup before, maybe someone else has and could reply to you, better than I. Sorry , Jeff.:)

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM

OK, here's what I'd like some input on.
The basic setup would have two tubes shaped as a spiral,
one is the anode, the other is a cathode.
Now you pump a cooling fluid through the center of these charged tubes.
Like the electrolyte touching the exterior of these tubes, the fluid on the inside of these tubes should carry a current.
Any thoughts on the effects this may cause?

Your idea poses a lot of questions.  What kind of fluid?  What is the temperature difference?  Is the cooling fluid super cooled?  What kind of container is it in?  What direction is the cooling fluid running?  What is the exterior fluid doing?  Are the tubes powered/AC/DC/pulse/etc?  What do you hope to accomplish with it?  Are the tubes together or separate?

My suggestion is that you build something similar to what you have in your head and then post pictures, data and results.

My thought is that one of the tubes needs to be a different material, like copper.  It is an interesting thought, but it needs some more fleshing out.

Happy hunting!  ;)

Thanks guys,
The basic idea is to use tubing instead of wire or rod to create a sprial wet cell.
Most likely DC powered.
The tubing would allow you to pass liquid through the inside of the tube for a cooling liquid.

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 15th, 2012, 06:18 PM

Thanks guys,
The basic idea is to use tubing instead of wire or rod to create a sprial wet cell.
Most likely DC powered.
The tubing would allow you to pass liquid through the inside of the tube for a cooling liquid.

There is really no need to cool the SS tubes because of using only 1/2 of an amp they don't get hot. You could pump water through them, just to move the HHO bubbles. Also how would you spiral a SS tube and get the inner tube the same as the outer tube, would not be cost effective to say the least, that's why Stan used SS tubing it was easy to get , he was looking for cheap ways to get it to market so to speak.:D

This is the basic idea.

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Quote from Robert Twiss on May 15th, 2012, 07:15 PM

This is the basic idea.

Very interesting.  Kind of looks like a transformer.

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM

OK, here's what I'd like some input on.
The basic setup would have two tubes shaped as a spiral,
one is the anode, the other is a cathode.
Now you pump a cooling fluid through the center of these charged tubes.
Like the electrolyte touching the exterior of these tubes, the fluid on the inside of these tubes should carry a current.
Any thoughts on the effects this may cause?

sounds like a good way to keep the water cool in the cell... but, you will need 2 different water baths or you will start to produce hho on the in side of the tubes ?!?!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 15th, 2012, 11:11 PM

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM

OK, here's what I'd like some input on.
The basic setup would have two tubes shaped as a spiral,
one is the anode, the other is a cathode.
Now you pump a cooling fluid through the center of these charged tubes.
Like the electrolyte touching the exterior of these tubes, the fluid on the inside of these tubes should carry a current.
Any thoughts on the effects this may cause?

sounds like a good way to keep the water cool in the cell... but, you will need 2 different water baths or you will start to produce hho on the in side of the tubes ?!?!

~Russ

Very good point, are you saying one for the positive and one for the negative?
The actual design I am working has 4 spirals per cell and two connected cells to seperate the H and O.  I was hoping to use a magnetic induction and tank circuits but I don't think I can induce a strong enough magnetic field in the internal coils which would have had heavy copper wire inside the SS tubes.

This is a little more in depth of my concept.
This is the CORE of the HHO cell.
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My design is becoming more refined.
Initially I was going to use magnetic induction, now i plan to use a cooling concept, if i need it. I started to make a mock up but I has structual issues, the spacing was to close and created weak spots.
Changing the spacing gave me 3 conical spirals.
I was worried the cooling fluid would carry a current but Russ pointed out that it may also create HHO, that means I'll have to devise a recovery system.
This image was not created with a cad program, I used Corel DRAW.
The spirals will be made of 1/4" 316 SS Welded Tubing.

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Quote from Robert Twiss on May 16th, 2012, 05:20 PM

My design is becoming more refined.
Initially I was going to use magnetic induction, now i plan to use a cooling concept, if i need it. I started to make a mock up but I has structual issues, the spacing was to close and created weak spots.
Changing the spacing gave me 3 conical spirals.
I was worried the cooling fluid would carry a current but Russ pointed out that it may also create HHO, that means I'll have to devise a recovery system.
This image was not created with a cad program, I used Corel DRAW.
The spirals will be made of 1/4" 316 SS Welded Tubing.

quite interesting! not sure what your thoughts are on the netrules but i would say in this application they would not make gas... the voltage would just bypass them... ??? i have know idea!

one can only try but this concept is very interesting.

cool beans! one can only try! :)

~Russ

PS. i will try to call you some time.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 01:40 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 16th, 2012, 05:20 PM

My design is becoming more refined.
Initially I was going to use magnetic induction, now i plan to use a cooling concept, if i need it. I started to make a mock up but I has structual issues, the spacing was to close and created weak spots.
Changing the spacing gave me 3 conical spirals.
I was worried the cooling fluid would carry a current but Russ pointed out that it may also create HHO, that means I'll have to devise a recovery system.
This image was not created with a cad program, I used Corel DRAW.
The spirals will be made of 1/4" 316 SS Welded Tubing.


I thought that the neutral spirals would act like the neutrals in a dry cell.

quite interesting! not sure what your thoughts are on the netrules but i would say in this application they would not make gas... the voltage would just bypass them... ??? i have know idea!

one can only try but this concept is very interesting.

cool beans! one can only try! :)

~Russ

PS. i will try to call you some time.

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 15th, 2012, 07:15 PM

This is the basic idea.

Well from the looks of your design.. Conductivity of the liquid in the tubes, and the direction it flows might make a big difference in what actually happens when you fire it up. Not sayin it won't work. Exactly the opposite.. With proper flow(liquid flowing the same direction that the voltage flows in its respective tube).. It looks like it will do more than you expect. In a good way. Especially if the liquid has the same charge as its tube.  Looks like you might be opening a door sir. Taking a concept usually applied to an "ethereal item" and applying to a "corporeal item". Shame you can't rotate the cell while its active. Plot it on a 3D graph. Rotate it on the x axis where all values of x stay constant. Y axis would change from the length of the cell (highest value) to the diameter of its base (lowest value) . With the z plotted in a circle.  Just a thought.

Quote from camaswizard on May 25th, 2012, 06:28 AM

Quote from Robert Twiss on May 15th, 2012, 07:15 PM

This is the basic idea.

Well from the looks of your design.. Conductivity of the liquid in the tubes, and the direction it flows might make a big difference in what actually happens when you fire it up. Not sayin it won't work. Exactly the opposite.. With proper flow(liquid flowing the same direction that the voltage flows in its respective tube).. It looks like it will do more than you expect. In a good way. Especially if the liquid has the same charge as its tube.  Looks like you might be opening a door sir. Taking a concept usually applied to an "ethereal item" and applying to a "corporeal item". Shame you can't rotate the cell while its active. Plot it on a 3D graph. Rotate it on the x axis where all values of x stay constant. Y axis would change from the length of the cell (highest value) to the diameter of its base (lowest value) . With the z plotted in a circle.  Just a thought.

Very interesting reply, thank you.

Hmm.  Looks a little like US8236149.
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