stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able

symanuk

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #25, on May 5th, 2012, 01:22 AM »
Hi guys,

Just on the concept of resonance, I thought I would post a link to something that I found very useful in trying to understand this concept - might be a bit simple for most of you, but for people coming up to speed might help them turn on the thought lightbulb a bit quicker.

I also realised that, as old as this presentation is I have not come across anyone utilising the simple pendulum sensing approach discussed.  Seems that an electronic engineer might find it easy to test out - so is it that it won't work? Or is it that it simply slipped off people's testing approaches?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM

Cheers guys,

Sy

adys15

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #26, on December 5th, 2012, 09:40 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 28th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jon Able has replicated the pulse train we see in stans patents and it is so clean its Beautiful!!!


Here is most all info you need as I explain what Jon did in this video, watch first please:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1D-HIMqF0



frequency and gating single fed in to a bifilar coil to a full wave bridge rectifier then to 6 cells in series... my video explains this better so please watch it for all details.

Here is jon's videos and photos are attached:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKG70zfu1l4&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxQj-9aZU-Y&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AXzE_75RM&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrkPmyfBZU&feature=plcp

Jon:
Quote
My circuit is a Dave lawton Pwm, attached to 2 NAND gates, then a 800 volt 11 amp MOSFET.    On JLNaudin's circuit, I then removed the primary/secondary and put the bifilar in its place.   2 unhooked outputs of bifilar feed into a FBWR and outputs of FWBR feed into 7 pipes in series.   Positive of FBWR goes to outer first pipe, negative of FBWR goes to inner last pipe.
Jon's face book: http://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002436455786&_rdr

here is a shot of my try at it... got a nice double pulse...


thanks! ~Russ
Russ can you post the exact skematic on how did you pulsed the bifiliar?John skematic is controversial..Thanks!!!

~Russ

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #27, on December 5th, 2012, 11:28 AM »
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 28th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jon Able has replicated the pulse train we see in stans patents and it is so clean its Beautiful!!!


Here is most all info you need as I explain what Jon did in this video, watch first please:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1D-HIMqF0



frequency and gating single fed in to a bifilar coil to a full wave bridge rectifier then to 6 cells in series... my video explains this better so please watch it for all details.

Here is jon's videos and photos are attached:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKG70zfu1l4&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxQj-9aZU-Y&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AXzE_75RM&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrkPmyfBZU&feature=plcp

Jon:
Quote
My circuit is a Dave lawton Pwm, attached to 2 NAND gates, then a 800 volt 11 amp MOSFET.    On JLNaudin's circuit, I then removed the primary/secondary and put the bifilar in its place.   2 unhooked outputs of bifilar feed into a FBWR and outputs of FWBR feed into 7 pipes in series.   Positive of FBWR goes to outer first pipe, negative of FBWR goes to inner last pipe.
Jon's face book: http://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002436455786&_rdr

here is a shot of my try at it... got a nice double pulse...


thanks! ~Russ
Russ can you post the exact skematic on how did you pulsed the bifiliar?John skematic is controversial..Thanks!!!
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...

adys15

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #28, on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM »Last edited on December 5th, 2012, 11:32 AM by adys15
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?

~Russ

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #29, on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM »Last edited on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?
well you got lucky. i found this in my files.

now its not exactly like i had mine but it will give you the idea.

[attachment=2693]

this is not my schematic. i think its  JL nauding. if i spellt that correctly.  

hope this helps

~Russ

adys15

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #30, on December 5th, 2012, 12:17 PM »Last edited on December 5th, 2012, 12:18 PM by adys15
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?
well you got lucky. i found this in my files.

now its not exactly like i had mine but it will give you the idea.



this is not my schematic. i think its  JL nauding. if i spellt that correctly.  

hope this helps

~Russ
thanks for skematic but i had that a while back,and thats why i said Jon circuit was ambiguous

no is not JL Naudin's ,he did not had the lawton circuit drawn.

look at att and tell me if its drawn corectly,

~Russ

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #31, on December 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM »
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?
well you got lucky. i found this in my files.

now its not exactly like i had mine but it will give you the idea.



this is not my schematic. i think its  JL nauding. if i spellt that correctly.  

hope this helps

~Russ
thanks for skematic but i had that a while back,and thats why i said Jon circuit was ambiguous

no is not JL Naudin's ,he did not had the lawton circuit drawn.

look at att and tell me if its drawn corectly,
ummm. let me do some more digging.

~Russ

adys15

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #32, on December 6th, 2012, 03:41 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?
well you got lucky. i found this in my files.

now its not exactly like i had mine but it will give you the idea.



this is not my schematic. i think its  JL nauding. if i spellt that correctly.  

hope this helps

~Russ
thanks for skematic but i had that a while back,and thats why i said Jon circuit was ambiguous

no is not JL Naudin's ,he did not had the lawton circuit drawn.

look at att and tell me if its drawn corectly,
ummm. let me do some more digging.

~Russ
Russ have you found the skematic?i know it is simple but i wanna see the exact setup that you/Jon used,thanks!

~Russ

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #33, on December 6th, 2012, 09:28 AM »
Quote from adys15 on December 6th, 2012, 03:41 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Quote from adys15 on December 5th, 2012, 11:31 AM
oh, boy... ill need to try to dig it up...


you simply pulse one of the bobins like you pulse the primary of a transformer?
and the other bobin goes to fbwr?
well you got lucky. i found this in my files.

now its not exactly like i had mine but it will give you the idea.



this is not my schematic. i think its  JL nauding. if i spellt that correctly.  

hope this helps

~Russ
thanks for skematic but i had that a while back,and thats why i said Jon circuit was ambiguous

no is not JL Naudin's ,he did not had the lawton circuit drawn.

look at att and tell me if its drawn corectly,
ummm. let me do some more digging.

~Russ
Russ have you found the skematic?i know it is simple but i wanna see the exact setup that you/Jon used,thanks!
give me some time. lol ~Russ

enrev

RE: Resonance with a diode.
« Reply #34, on March 11th, 2013, 03:11 PM »
Quote from jonabel1971 on May 3rd, 2012, 07:43 PM
Here's my newest video with more details on how to hit resonance.  I am using a diode this time.   I also wound a simple primary and secondary over the top of the bifilar.   I used electric tape to separate them.  That's it.  

I used a combination of Dave Lawton's PWM and JLNaudin's transformer layout, which I explain in detail on this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxvHLh-k5k&feature=youtu.be
Jon, in a previous post you said you had to remove the primary and secondary as it wasn't working while now you had them back and it's ok; were the primary and secondary in your first attempt wounded on separate core from the bifilar? In the second attempt you wound both on the same bifilar core, correct?

Thanks.
Jul.

enrev

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #35, on March 12th, 2013, 12:58 PM »
Quote from bussi04 on May 3rd, 2012, 07:36 AM
Quote from 42n8 on May 2nd, 2012, 10:31 AM
Russ,
I've been interested in the WFC project for about a day or so and I'd like to make a few comments for the benefit of the team. I trust that you don't find this to be too presumptive.

Firstly, nomenclature is important because it conveys detail to the reader. Much of Stans work is deliberately obfuscated so you must read between the lines.

The bifilar wound coil is not a choke; rather it is an electrostatic oscillator. This was first described by Tesla around the late 1800s.

You will find that most wire wound resistors are formed this way in order to minimise inductive reactance. The windings are essentially 180 degrees out of phase, which more or less cancels out any inductance.

The bifilar coil also exhibits a very low inductance value due to the cancellation effect, regardless of the fact that it is formed around a high permeability core.

However, the device exhibits a high interwinding capacitance, which with the stray inductance forms a resonant circuit at some frequency.

Let's recap shall we:
An inductor stores a charge in its magnetic field and when the magnetic field collapses the stored EMF (not voltage) collapses it induces an opposing current into the circuit.

A capacitor stores electrons in its electrostatic field (not current). When the electrostatic field collapses (discharges), electrons are released which tends to maintain the voltage.

In essence then, the bifilar wound coil looks more like a capacitor that doesn't block DC than an inductor. However because there is some inductance the device will resonate but it cannot oscillate due to the blocking diode - hence its name.

At resonation the voltage builds with each pulse, which if left in the on-state for a period, would cause the coil insulation to break down. Effectively, we are delivering a controlled rising amplitude pulse train to the load and you will notice that the voltage rises and then starts to fall in accordance with the Time Constant of the FET circuit.

The next pulse raises the voltage further until the capacitor (bifilar coil) is charged up and the decay process repeats.

When the frequency is changed, notice that the time is lengthened or shortened but the waveform remains the same. That's because the only thing that really changed was the FET controlled Time Constant.

Further notes:
When winding bifilar coils it is absolutely essential that the distance between the windings (if any) is kept as constant as possible across the whole coil. Any significant variance will affect your ability to reproduce any model you do get operational.

At the relatively low frequency required for this system, don't pay too much attention to skin effect in the calculations

There is some question about the AWG29 quoted for this device. Since we know that the device is being used as a voltage amplifier (intensifier unobfucsated) it is very likely that multi-coated wire was used to increase reliability. It's also likely that the polymer coating used 25 years ago was thicker as it may have been less capable. If problems become apparent the solution will be to add a few extra turns on to the coil because the interwinding capacitance will be somewhat lower.

Jon,
Capacitors in Series: (1/Ctotal) = (1/C1) + (1/C2) + (1/C3)...
Capacitors in parallel: Ctotal = C1 + C2 + C3...

Inductors in series: Ltotal = L1 + L2 + L3...
Inductors in parallel: (1/Ltotal) = (1/L1) + (1/L2) + (1/L3)...

Resistors in series: Rtotal = R1 + R2 + R3...
Resistors in parallel: (1/Rtotal) = (1/R1) + (1/R2) + (1/R3)...

Hope this helps


Cheers

Peter
Excellent input! Thanks a  lot!

Additionally the EEC in the upper coil part in parallel to the coil makes a major change for resonance behaviour because it can shortcut the upper bifilar wound coil.

bussi04
Hi,
I'd like to comment on this statement from 42n8 and may be collect feedbacks from all of you:  
"The windings are essentially 180 degrees out of phase, which more or less cancels out any inductance.
The bifilar coil also exhibits a very low inductance value due to the cancellation effect, regardless of the fact that it is formed around a high permeability core."

Based on my understanding this is key to replicate Stan's job and it's probably the reason why many of us failed to achieve resonance; the reason was not the VIC circuit and components parameters but rather the VIC transformer and to be specific the way the two inductors were wounded or connected to the cell. Both Jon and recently Russ in their posts used windings 180 degrees out of phase; Jon's PWN is very basic (no PLL) but he found resonance and I could say the same for mine PWM so this seems to confirm the tricks are in the magnetic circuit and not really in the electric one. This was not clearly explained in Stan's patents but I'm convinced this is the way it should work also because we can clearly trace Stan's job back to what Tesla did in the end of 1800.
Jul.


securesupplies

RE: stan meyer step Charging signal replicated by Jon Able
« Reply #37, on April 25th, 2013, 02:15 AM »

HI  Every one.

Great Work Jon and Russ and others,


This seams to be a pivitol simplification of voltage and pwm .  

Can we All attempt to write a even more expanded and simplified
and detailed Summary of this thread and Jon's Work.  

Titled Voltage Control

and How it than  feed or effects the VIC and

VIc Purpose base don this info.

There is a lot of good information but it is in pigeon english

KISS Direct Explanation as final anylsis summary
of what is occuring with jon circuit step by .

and how to move than onto to vic and why


THis will close thread as Complete and Give New comers a new starting point for immediate uptake please attempt his.

we are all trying to do same.


Daniel