Ordinarily posted by Dogs

Russ,

Thanks for the tip on reviewing the Dealership Sales Manual.
After looking it over for the last 2 nights, I realized that I did not understand the Electrical Polarization Generator (Fig 40). But I had heard mention of the extraction of energy directly from the gas. But, never understood it.
What is interesting is that Stan does not seem to have a patent on this particular component.

So what does it do? It extracts the positive potential from the newly generated gas by sending the gas into this unit. This unit EPolG works by diverting negatively charged atoms (O) through the center as a pass thru. The positively charged atoms (H), are diverted to a chamber of metallic fins that get positively charged.

The diversion trick is done by electro-statically charging the screens that are openings to the appropriate chambers. Negative atoms are attracted to the positively charged screen and vise-versa. These screens have to be insulated from each other, of course. And, care must be taken that static sparks don't occur within the chamber, which would ignite the hho gas.

Now the metallic fins have a positive potential due to exposure from the positive atoms of hydrogen... Which means that we can drive a load by connecting the load between the positive potential and ground.

Now that we have extracted the positive potential from the HHO gas, I wounder if that helps to prime the gas for magnetically pumping it through the EPG. Not sure... But, it is cool to see another mode of directly extracting energy from the WFC system.

It seems that much care must be taken with this experiment as it involves Electrostatics, which typically involves possible sparking and a largish chamber for the energy extraction (EPolG) which contains our explosive elements. Thus the electrostatic generator must be variable as Stan specifies.


Best,
-Dogs

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 27th, 2012, 02:56 AM

yep!

i did indeed view this information a while back, good stuff and its interesting. and it also should be in a new thread! i will make it here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=468

also i will add a link in your original post to get people over there if they see this.

i will post my thoughts on the new thread!

~Russ

Hi Russ,

(Updating here because I could not see my reply on the original thread.)

Thanks for setting up the new thread...

The Electrical Polarization Generator also lead me to an other realization...
Within all of this technology, consistently Stan uses the Static Voltage Field as the prime motivator for tearing water apart, and for shifting back and forth to very quickly heat it up.

It seems to me that what we really need to use to within the EPG is not magnetic pulsing, but once again, Static Voltage Field pulsing.

Here's the setup...

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 power     coil  core       diode
---(~)------(((([o]))))------>|-----+
                  |                 |
                  +-----------------+

--Key--
 ((( ))) : coil
     [ ] : core
  -->|-- : diode
       o : pipe in the center containing slurry.


What we want, is to generate a high negative voltage field to attract the Hydrogen (+) towards a given core.

I believe that this is the key to the EPG and to a Stan's "new mode of propulsion in water".

Leverage the fact that the Static Voltage field attracts or repels the greater (positive) content charge of water H(+).

Not sure if the winding will add to the effect.
May be able to attain results without the need of windings.
Just rings around the tubes.
Or, maybe just pulse the existing windings with an electro static HV pulse where winding is unterminated or terminates to core...
But then, core for each winding need to be insulated from from one another.

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 power                       diode  Pulsed Windings
--(~)---[transformer]---hv---->|----(((([o]))))
                                       
winding terminates at the core around the pipe ( [ ] ).



Only generate the negative HV Static pulse, to attract the H(+).

Here is a direct example of what I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWQ-r1LYXY

Best,
-Dogs

I reviewed the EPG patents again, as noticed how the accelerator is mentioned as "magnetic". But the interesting thing is the mention of a polarized material. And it is known that water is polar (mainly positive, [because of the 2 hydrogen atoms]).

So to move water, it simply indicates that a static field charge is required.
Looked up how to generate ions and a static field. Pulsed HV dc.

Just look at how much the water is deflected by a piece of PVC rubbed against hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWQ-r1LYXY).
An interesting test would be to see how much deflection occurs from a  HV pulsed WFC tube.

hmmm... magnetics just doesn't make sense...

-Dogs

Quote from Dogs on April 28th, 2012, 12:22 AM

I reviewed the EPG patents again, as noticed how the accelerator is mentioned as "magnetic". But the interesting thing is the mention of a polarized material. And it is known that water is polar (mainly positive, [because of the 2 hydrogen atoms]).

So to move water, it simply indicates that a static field charge is required.
Looked up how to generate ions and a static field. Pulsed HV dc.

Just look at how much the water is deflected by a piece of PVC rubbed against hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWQ-r1LYXY).
An interesting test would be to see how much deflection occurs from a  HV pulsed WFC tube.

hmmm... magnetics just doesn't make sense...

-Dogs

Dogs that is interesting.:cool: Lets see if can get Russ will run pulsating water through his EPG he built, could you try it Russ:D ?

Quote from Jeff Nading on April 28th, 2012, 02:29 PM

Dogs that is interesting.:cool: Lets see if can get Russ will run pulsating water through his EPG he built, could you try it Russ:D ?

Thanks Jeff,

Yes... The idea would be to ripple pulse have the HV pulsing static uni-directional pulses that go to the outer tube... send them to rippling through the accelerator coils via the same switching network (much of which is alread set up). The accelerator coils that receive the static charge would ideally terminate at the core, but, may work with no termination and just left hanging.

Also, if the cores themselves were directly in contact with the the polar medium (slurry), then we would have the a similar "WFC like" capacitor setup, but, the HV static charge may be enough to make it work.

Hmmm..., it may be impeded by the existing copper tube and/core core . Not sure...

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|                           Flow
|                           <<----        EPG-OUT
|         {---------+  0000000000000000000000  
|         {         |  0                    0
|    +---}{         |  0                    0
|    |   }{        -|--0                    0
|   (~)  }{    WFC( () )     ------+----((([0])))
|    |   }{        ----      |//|--+----((([0]))) EPG Content
|    +---}{       0 |        |//|--+----((([0]))) Accelerator
|         {       0 |        |//|--+----((([0])))
|         {--->|--0-+------------           0
|                 0         Arduio          0
|                 0        Sequencer        0
|                 0                         0
|                 000000000000000000000000000
|                           ---->>        EPG-IN
|                           Flow


Best,
-Dogs

Dogs,

I was reading your post and it was very interesting.  I'm having a conflicting understanding.  I been thinking about Stan's water capacitor after reading your posts.  First off, the tubing does not have an equal surface area, one being 0.75" ; and 0.5" in diameters.  I'm fairly certain that one must have BOTH plates of a capacitor have equal surface areas or unwanted discharging will occur.  Or does this discharging tear apart the H and O?  Secondly, I believe I read somewhere that the VIC uses high voltage, low amperage to achieve separating in the water fuel cell?  Well, if this is true, then like you said Unipolar HV DC pulses create a electrostatic field, would this be the secret of the water fuel cell in that it uses a very intense HV electrostatic field to cause the atoms to split?  And not use "resonance" like Stan says, because I don't see how resonance can occur when there is a diode in series with the inductor, the inductor would not be capable of oscillating?  Am I correct?   thanks for any info :)