With help from comments on my last thread I was able to figure out a way to scan for resonance. Now all i have to figure out is how to "lock-on" to the resonance. Now i know is this done by the PLL but its for Phase difference. So how does one go about locking on to a resonant signal from a scanning frequency. Its not like the phase shift of a resonant signal is more or less then 180 degree then that of a non-resonant frequency. The resistance of a circuit is lowest when its resonant; when the forces of Inductive reactance and Capacitive reactance negate each other. If any of you know how Stan Meyer sensed resonance in his circuit please let me know.

p.s. I have a way of sensing resonance but it is not efficient for also triggering the resonant frequency to be locked in. I've included my VIC setup without scanner.(Its in Multisim for prototyping)

~God Bless
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Quote from Sirgoose on March 31st, 2012, 11:54 PM

With help from comments on my last thread I was able to figure out a way to scan for resonance. Now all i have to figure out is how to "lock-on" to the resonance. Now i know is this done by the PLL but its for Phase difference. So how does one go about locking on to a resonant signal from a scanning frequency. Its not like the phase shift of a resonant signal is more or less then 180 degree then that of a non-resonant frequency. The resistance of a circuit is lowest when its resonant; when the forces of Inductive reactance and Capacitive reactance negate each other. If any of you know how Stan Meyer sensed resonance in his circuit please let me know.

p.s. I have a way of sensing resonance but it is not efficient for also triggering the resonant frequency to be locked in. I've included my VIC setup without scanner.(Its in Multisim for prototyping)

~God Bless

i don't understand what your doing on your circuit? if that's a bridge why is connected that way? also. on your cap. if you put a high value resister across the cap what happens?

hope some one else can answer that question on resonance sensing...

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 2nd, 2012, 12:12 AM

Quote from Sirgoose on March 31st, 2012, 11:54 PM

With help from comments on my last thread I was able to figure out a way to scan for resonance. Now all i have to figure out is how to "lock-on" to the resonance. Now i know is this done by the PLL but its for Phase difference. So how does one go about locking on to a resonant signal from a scanning frequency. Its not like the phase shift of a resonant signal is more or less then 180 degree then that of a non-resonant frequency. The resistance of a circuit is lowest when its resonant; when the forces of Inductive reactance and Capacitive reactance negate each other. If any of you know how Stan Meyer sensed resonance in his circuit please let me know.

p.s. I have a way of sensing resonance but it is not efficient for also triggering the resonant frequency to be locked in. I've included my VIC setup without scanner.(Its in Multisim for prototyping)

~God Bless

i don't understand what your doing on your circuit? if that's a bridge why is connected that way? also. on your cap. if you put a high value resister across the cap what happens?

hope some one else can answer that question on resonance sensing...

~Russ

I looked back at my circuit and found out that i had accidentally bypassed the full wave rectifier. When i used the full wave signal though the water cap it didn't produce any charge. In fact it just produced pure DC, so no resonant frequency because no alternating voltage. Now I'm sure that's the point of the Gated Pulse Frequency Generator; to change the duty cycle of the pulsed DC. Why wouldn't you just change the duty cycle of the generator itself though it would do the same thing. You just have to set it up to go below 50%. Lets say its already in a car and the car is powering the alternator which gives you the AC. Why wouldn't or why couldn't you just have the resonant signal be combined/interlaced with the AC supplied voltage. While being able to adjust the duty cycle by the accelerator of the car using the laser distributor to convert it to electrical energy. What do you think or is there another reason way Stan did it the way he did. The other variation you saw was my use of a transformer as the resonant chokes. I did this and set it up the way i did because i figured it would introduce my inductance(which reduces the current) without having any extra wires because of mutual inductance. I am still testing it out because i think that by doing this i am introducing more current through since it can be picked up at the secondary coil. I plan of trying a bifilar setup soon though too.

p.s. I was able to test your idea in Multisim on my setup and it seems to control the peak voltage the cap could reach. Like when i put 5M ohm resistor in parallel with the water cap you would be limited to about 39Kv or lower limit, with my setup. When i replaced the 5M ohm resistor with a 100k ohm resistor, the limit switched to 1.368Kv. 1M ohm made it steady at 12.862Kv. The whole resistance across the water cap was 3.996Gohms. If you divide 12.862Kv by 3.996Gohms you get 3.2187 Micro-amps. Keep in kind though i did with with a 75Vp input. The pic from first post had the wrong indications for the full-wave bridge as well sorry about that.

Quote from Sirgoose on March 31st, 2012, 11:54 PM

With help from comments on my last thread I was able to figure out a way to scan for resonance. Now all i have to figure out is how to "lock-on" to the resonance. Now i know is this done by the PLL but its for Phase difference. So how does one go about locking on to a resonant signal from a scanning frequency. Its not like the phase shift of a resonant signal is more or less then 180 degree then that of a non-resonant frequency. The resistance of a circuit is lowest when its resonant; when the forces of Inductive reactance and Capacitive reactance negate each other. If any of you know how Stan Meyer sensed resonance in his circuit please let me know.

p.s. I have a way of sensing resonance but it is not efficient for also triggering the resonant frequency to be locked in. I've included my VIC setup without scanner.(Its in Multisim for prototyping)

~God Bless

the way meyer used the 4046 it was a phase shift detection that indicated resonance.

the way you have to go:
1. make a setup
2. analyze optimum production, that means maximum production at given amp rate
3. analyze conditions for shift (temperature, time etc.)
4. adjust conditions for optimize conditions after shift
5. figure out an indicator that can be used as a event trigger for automatic adjustment.
6. implement correction using the indicator parameter

Quote from bussi04 on April 2nd, 2012, 04:43 PM

Quote from Sirgoose on March 31st, 2012, 11:54 PM

With help from comments on my last thread I was able to figure out a way to scan for resonance. Now all i have to figure out is how to "lock-on" to the resonance. Now i know is this done by the PLL but its for Phase difference. So how does one go about locking on to a resonant signal from a scanning frequency. Its not like the phase shift of a resonant signal is more or less then 180 degree then that of a non-resonant frequency. The resistance of a circuit is lowest when its resonant; when the forces of Inductive reactance and Capacitive reactance negate each other. If any of you know how Stan Meyer sensed resonance in his circuit please let me know.

p.s. I have a way of sensing resonance but it is not efficient for also triggering the resonant frequency to be locked in. I've included my VIC setup without scanner.(Its in Multisim for prototyping)

~God Bless

the way meyer used the 4046 it was a phase shift detection that indicated resonance.

the way you have to go:
1. make a setup
2. analyze optimum production, that means maximum production at given amp rate
3. analyze conditions for shift (temperature, time etc.)
4. adjust conditions for optimize conditions after shift
5. figure out an indicator that can be used as a event trigger for automatic adjustment.
6. implement correction using the indicator parameter

So when i read your comment i was like no way i would of realized, but then i checked it out and funny enough resonant frequency is a dead on phase match to the input signal. You just have to check before the first inductor and after the last inductor before the switching diode. Then you can experiment with frequency below and above resonance and the two signals only match up perfectly when in resonance. Thank you so much bussi04 for helping me realize that. Sweet, now i can proceed to build my physical build. :D:exclamation:

p.s. i included a video of my experiment.

~God Bless