So i am working on making an automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner. It will be able to go from, as an example 10khz to 1hz and back. I have searched and searched and the one thing i thought was possibly the answer wasn't even automatic just manual. That hope was the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator! Just today in fact i had came up the the theory for the V.P.F.G.. In my version though i was thinking about once the timer made its first "on" signal that it would trigger the gate of a JFET (whether it would be n or p is TBD) to open up and connect the the resistor on the other side and introduce more resistance to the 555 timer R1. Thus decreasing the frequency it was running at. I would then obviously multiply this process until it would get to the frequency end point i wanted then systemically have the timer/counter then proceed to count down. Even though i have been working on trying to get the Automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner working for sometime. This idea i posted was the one i came up with today.

I would appreciate everybody's input on this.:exclamation: Does the V.P.F.G actually do the job while running the hydrogen or am i on the right track at least?:huh: If you don't know by now without the ability to "scan" into the resonant frequency when the water changes given to a increased or decreased dielectric constant brought on by continually use, leading to more contaminants in the resonant cavity through either the natural metals in the water or whether its pure, snow, tap, salt, etc. Will change the resonant frequency. Plus the VIC is for more then to just break the covalent bonding of Hydrogen and Oxygen in water. Its a revolutionary technological wonder all on its own.:D

If you guys read this far i appreciate it and I'm just trying to convey a message of urgency. We are all here to learn and make this world a better place. I pray we can get this figured out
                                                                                             -Josh.
                                                                                                  ~God Bless

Quote from Sirgoose on March 27th, 2012, 11:09 PM

So i am working on making an automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner. It will be able to go from, as an example 10khz to 1hz and back. I have searched and searched and the one thing i thought was possibly the answer wasn't even automatic just manual. That hope was the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator! Just today in fact i had came up the the theory for the V.P.F.G.. In my version though i was thinking about once the timer made its first "on" signal that it would trigger the gate of a JFET (whether it would be n or p is TBD) to open up and connect the the resistor on the other side and introduce more resistance to the 555 timer R1. Thus decreasing the frequency it was running at. I would then obviously multiply this process until it would get to the frequency end point i wanted then systemically have the timer/counter then proceed to count down. Even though i have been working on trying to get the Automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner working for sometime. This idea i posted was the one i came up with today.

I would appreciate everybody's input on this.:exclamation: Does the V.P.F.G actually do the job while running the hydrogen or am i on the right track at least?:huh: If you don't know by now without the ability to "scan" into the resonant frequency when the water changes given to a increased or decreased dielectric constant brought on by continually use, leading to more contaminants in the resonant cavity through either the natural metals in the water or whether its pure, snow, tap, salt, etc. Will change the resonant frequency. Plus the VIC is for more then to just break the covalent bonding of Hydrogen and Oxygen in water. Its a revolutionary technological wonder all on its own.:D

If you guys read this far i appreciate it and I'm just trying to convey a message of urgency. We are all here to learn and make this world a better place. I pray we can get this figured out
                                                                                             -Josh.
                                                                                                  ~God Bless

josh, welcome! please see this thred: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311

its already started... and you may be able to help or be helped... sweet work! ~Russ

indeed god bless!!!!

Quote from Sirgoose on March 27th, 2012, 11:09 PM

So i am working on making an automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner. It will be able to go from, as an example 10khz to 1hz and back. I have searched and searched and the one thing i thought was possibly the answer wasn't even automatic just manual. That hope was the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator! Just today in fact i had came up the the theory for the V.P.F.G.. In my version though i was thinking about once the timer made its first "on" signal that it would trigger the gate of a JFET (whether it would be n or p is TBD) to open up and connect the the resistor on the other side and introduce more resistance to the 555 timer R1. Thus decreasing the frequency it was running at. I would then obviously multiply this process until it would get to the frequency end point i wanted then systemically have the timer/counter then proceed to count down. Even though i have been working on trying to get the Automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner working for sometime. This idea i posted was the one i came up with today.

I would appreciate everybody's input on this.:exclamation: Does the V.P.F.G actually do the job while running the hydrogen or am i on the right track at least?:huh: If you don't know by now without the ability to "scan" into the resonant frequency when the water changes given to a increased or decreased dielectric constant brought on by continually use, leading to more contaminants in the resonant cavity through either the natural metals in the water or whether its pure, snow, tap, salt, etc. Will change the resonant frequency. Plus the VIC is for more then to just break the covalent bonding of Hydrogen and Oxygen in water. Its a revolutionary technological wonder all on its own.:D

If you guys read this far i appreciate it and I'm just trying to convey a message of urgency. We are all here to learn and make this world a better place. I pray we can get this figured out
                                                                                             -Josh.
                                                                                                  ~God Bless

Sirgoose,

such a device already exists.

please have a brief look at http://source-for-innovations.com/pgen-basis.htm

the device shown there  is version 1. the current version 2 supports automatic scan for resonance (PLL) and is a 3 channel version up to 100 kHz.

that integrated circuit gives you 3 independent pulse generators with independent plls in a DIP-40 package. plugged into a simple pcb for opamps for resonance signal input and optocouplers you get a versatile pulse generator with no more need for timers, capacitors, resistors, potentiometers and range switches.
all controls and frequency display features are realized thru a simple usb connection to your MS computer. computer and µC are protected from overvoltage due to the optocouplers.

the system can be easily integrated into your own power output stage or a separate pcb for power output stage is also availabe from the same source.

Hope that helps

bussi04

Quote from Sirgoose on March 27th, 2012, 11:09 PM

So i am working on making an automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner. It will be able to go from, as an example 10khz to 1hz and back. I have searched and searched and the one thing i thought was possibly the answer wasn't even automatic just manual. That hope was the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator! Just today in fact i had came up the the theory for the V.P.F.G.. In my version though i was thinking about once the timer made its first "on" signal that it would trigger the gate of a JFET (whether it would be n or p is TBD) to open up and connect the the resistor on the other side and introduce more resistance to the 555 timer R1. Thus decreasing the frequency it was running at. I would then obviously multiply this process until it would get to the frequency end point i wanted then systemically have the timer/counter then proceed to count down. Even though i have been working on trying to get the Automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner working for sometime. This idea i posted was the one i came up with today.

I would appreciate everybody's input on this.:exclamation: Does the V.P.F.G actually do the job while running the hydrogen or am i on the right track at least?:huh: If you don't know by now without the ability to "scan" into the resonant frequency when the water changes given to a increased or decreased dielectric constant brought on by continually use, leading to more contaminants in the resonant cavity through either the natural metals in the water or whether its pure, snow, tap, salt, etc. Will change the resonant frequency. Plus the VIC is for more then to just break the covalent bonding of Hydrogen and Oxygen in water. Its a revolutionary technological wonder all on its own.:D

If you guys read this far i appreciate it and I'm just trying to convey a message of urgency. We are all here to learn and make this world a better place. I pray we can get this figured out
                                                                                             -Josh.
                                                                                                  ~God Bless

Sirgoose,

if you really want to proceed with discrete circuits then you should realize frequency scan using the 555 for producing a triangular wave of lets say 0.01 hz and connect this  output to a CD4046 PLL. this device, a voltage controlled oscillator works best for automatic frequency scan for i.e. 10 to 10000 hz. there are circuit diagrams available at the internet showing this configuration. of course you have to add an electronic switch like a mosfet or ic to switch from automatic to manual mode.

all in all these discrete solutions with those integrated circuits are almost outdated, some  components are difficult to purchase and the hard wired solution lacks  flexibility for change.

After having built such a hard wired board 2 years ago (freedom circuit) I have switched over to a much more versatile and reliable and cheaper solution with a µC.

Now most complex pulsetrains and pll are really fun!

So I can spend my time for experimentation on SM stuff and don´t waste my time for building hardwired circuits that must be rebuild every time a new observation makes the old circuit obsolete. there was a time I had no choice because no standard circuits for this stuff were available but now they are :-)

Quote from bussi04 on March 29th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Quote from Sirgoose on March 27th, 2012, 11:09 PM

So i am working on making an automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner. It will be able to go from, as an example 10khz to 1hz and back. I have searched and searched and the one thing i thought was possibly the answer wasn't even automatic just manual. That hope was the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator! Just today in fact i had came up the the theory for the V.P.F.G.. In my version though i was thinking about once the timer made its first "on" signal that it would trigger the gate of a JFET (whether it would be n or p is TBD) to open up and connect the the resistor on the other side and introduce more resistance to the 555 timer R1. Thus decreasing the frequency it was running at. I would then obviously multiply this process until it would get to the frequency end point i wanted then systemically have the timer/counter then proceed to count down. Even though i have been working on trying to get the Automatic Resonant Frequency Scanner working for sometime. This idea i posted was the one i came up with today.

I would appreciate everybody's input on this.:exclamation: Does the V.P.F.G actually do the job while running the hydrogen or am i on the right track at least?:huh: If you don't know by now without the ability to "scan" into the resonant frequency when the water changes given to a increased or decreased dielectric constant brought on by continually use, leading to more contaminants in the resonant cavity through either the natural metals in the water or whether its pure, snow, tap, salt, etc. Will change the resonant frequency. Plus the VIC is for more then to just break the covalent bonding of Hydrogen and Oxygen in water. Its a revolutionary technological wonder all on its own.:D

If you guys read this far i appreciate it and I'm just trying to convey a message of urgency. We are all here to learn and make this world a better place. I pray we can get this figured out
                                                                                             -Josh.
                                                                                                  ~God Bless

Sirgoose,

if you really want to proceed with discrete circuits then you should realize frequency scan using the 555 for producing a triangular wave of lets say 0.01 hz and connect this  output to a CD4046 PLL. this device, a voltage controlled oscillator works best for automatic frequency scan for i.e. 10 to 10000 hz. there are circuit diagrams available at the internet showing this configuration. of course you have to add an electronic switch like a mosfet or ic to switch from automatic to manual mode.

all in all these discrete solutions with those integrated circuits are almost outdated, some  components are difficult to purchase and the hard wired solution lacks  flexibility for change.

After having built such a hard wired board 2 years ago (freedom circuit) I have switched over to a much more versatile and reliable and cheaper solution with a µC.

Now most complex pulsetrains and pll are really fun!

So I can spend my time for experimentation on SM stuff and don´t waste my time for building hardwired circuits that must be rebuild every time a new observation makes the old circuit obsolete. there was a time I had no choice because no standard circuits for this stuff were available but now they are :-)

Thanks for everything, I appreciate your input and I'll definitely look into it.
~ God bless

Quote from bussi04 on March 29th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Sirgoose,

if you really want to proceed with discrete circuits then you should realize frequency scan using the 555 for producing a triangular wave of lets say 0.01 hz and connect this  output to a CD4046 PLL. this device, a voltage controlled oscillator works best for automatic frequency scan for i.e. 10 to 10000 hz. there are circuit diagrams available at the internet showing this configuration. of course you have to add an electronic switch like a mosfet or ic to switch from automatic to manual mode.

all in all these discrete solutions with those integrated circuits are almost outdated, some  components are difficult to purchase and the hard wired solution lacks  flexibility for change.

After having built such a hard wired board 2 years ago (freedom circuit) I have switched over to a much more versatile and reliable and cheaper solution with a µC.

Now most complex pulsetrains and pll are really fun!

So I can spend my time for experimentation on SM stuff and don´t waste my time for building hardwired circuits that must be rebuild every time a new observation makes the old circuit obsolete. there was a time I had no choice because no standard circuits for this stuff were available but now they are :-)

Hi Bussi,
your approach is of interest, Stan Meyer also headed in the direction uf a uC, so too did bob boyce, am thinking this is where we needto head to, for once the cell is worked out, a uC would be the approach to take for the injectors with the intent to retrofit an injected vehicle. Would you be able to share with us what you are currently using in the microcontroller

cheers

Quote from wfchobby on March 29th, 2012, 12:29 PM

Quote from bussi04 on March 29th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Sirgoose,

if you really want to proceed with discrete circuits then you should realize frequency scan using the 555 for producing a triangular wave of lets say 0.01 hz and connect this  output to a CD4046 PLL. this device, a voltage controlled oscillator works best for automatic frequency scan for i.e. 10 to 10000 hz. there are circuit diagrams available at the internet showing this configuration. of course you have to add an electronic switch like a mosfet or ic to switch from automatic to manual mode.

all in all these discrete solutions with those integrated circuits are almost outdated, some  components are difficult to purchase and the hard wired solution lacks  flexibility for change.

After having built such a hard wired board 2 years ago (freedom circuit) I have switched over to a much more versatile and reliable and cheaper solution with a µC.

Now most complex pulsetrains and pll are really fun!

So I can spend my time for experimentation on SM stuff and don´t waste my time for building hardwired circuits that must be rebuild every time a new observation makes the old circuit obsolete. there was a time I had no choice because no standard circuits for this stuff were available but now they are :-)

Hi Bussi,
your approach is of interest, Stan Meyer also headed in the direction uf a uC, so too did bob boyce, am thinking this is where we needto head to, for once the cell is worked out, a uC would be the approach to take for the injectors with the intent to retrofit an injected vehicle. Would you be able to share with us what you are currently using in the microcontroller

cheers

Hi,
Allthough in a very distant past i did study electrical engineering i currently am a software programmer, ... when we get it all working the way to go will be a microprocessor or even better a single board computer running linux, take a look at this one: http://www.raspberrypi.org , will cost no more than $35!! I would love to program the VIC functions on one of those!

Quote from wfchobby on March 29th, 2012, 12:29 PM

Quote from bussi04 on March 29th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Sirgoose,

if you really want to proceed with discrete circuits then you should realize frequency scan using the 555 for producing a triangular wave of lets say 0.01 hz and connect this  output to a CD4046 PLL. this device, a voltage controlled oscillator works best for automatic frequency scan for i.e. 10 to 10000 hz. there are circuit diagrams available at the internet showing this configuration. of course you have to add an electronic switch like a mosfet or ic to switch from automatic to manual mode.

all in all these discrete solutions with those integrated circuits are almost outdated, some  components are difficult to purchase and the hard wired solution lacks  flexibility for change.

After having built such a hard wired board 2 years ago (freedom circuit) I have switched over to a much more versatile and reliable and cheaper solution with a µC.

Now most complex pulsetrains and pll are really fun!

So I can spend my time for experimentation on SM stuff and don´t waste my time for building hardwired circuits that must be rebuild every time a new observation makes the old circuit obsolete. there was a time I had no choice because no standard circuits for this stuff were available but now they are :-)

Hi Bussi,
your approach is of interest, Stan Meyer also headed in the direction uf a uC, so too did bob boyce, am thinking this is where we needto head to, for once the cell is worked out, a uC would be the approach to take for the injectors with the intent to retrofit an injected vehicle. Would you be able to share with us what you are currently using in the microcontroller

cheers

One channel is used to drive WFC ER10. One channel drives the VIC for the Gas Processor. The inverted signal of this channel is used to trigger the EEC at the Gas Processor. The third channel is used to pulse the LEDs of the Gas Processor.
Each channel can be PLL locked on demand.

The µC used is for signal processing use and more convenient for this purpose than linux processors. Of course the user interface for display an control can be realized in linux or as that company did in MS$

hope that helps.