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securesupplies

Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« on March 4th, 2012, 02:28 AM »Last edited on April 18th, 2012, 02:14 AM by securesupplies
After watching this video in particular, it is mentioned that there is a separate steam resonator on Stan's VW cars water tank,   using the  process to agitate the water and make steam!  Stan is seen several times carefully stopping himself from saying the word steam.

SINCE
UNLIKE ATOMS TAKE ON OPPOSITE ELECTRICAL CHARGES, we simply use another part of our technology, to restrict the amp and allow voltage to take over, and there by agitating the water molecule making knetic energy which CREATES=STEAM to be
injected with hho and ambient gases. this gives the 15 times expansion again inside the cylinder onve ignited with hho and ambient gases, moving our car with GRUNT!

I feel this is vital topics to keep pace  with others
as in Russ's tube test, the injected steam would help a lot if
made there  to be mixed in the combustion chamber with ,
hho off electrolyer, gas from gas gun (ionized gases from ambient air) which is mix fed as required with exhaust gases.

I started this thread to specifically get specs and plans on this section of system started
 and and work started on a steam resonator circuit and design started to be planned to work with other parts of system.

Link to one of stans last videos is here to download
and save it is it one of the best.

As it show hows to address different altitudes and air pressures and freezing of water in tank.

STANLEY MEYER - WATER POWERED CAR (FLUU) INTERVIEW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChHXw2kbI0&feature=youtu.be

Ignition and Injection Systems

I  will also start  to a new injection and ignition control threat ,

Ideally we  would  use a multi stage mulitport drag race  computer systems
which can handle mulitple sets of injectors of h2, ambient gases and steam timing with high power spark igition timing. Stan Made his?

So in lead up these 2 sections are a must see.

Injection systems
http://www.jegs.com/p/AEM/AEM-Engine-Position-Module/1582625/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/c/Fuel-Carbs-Intakes_Fuel-Injection/10299/10002/-1

Ignition systems
http://www.nology.com/hot.html

Dan

Jeff Nading

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #1, on March 4th, 2012, 01:49 PM »
Quote from securesupplies on March 4th, 2012, 02:28 AM
After watching this video in particular, it is mentioned that there is a separate steam resonator on Stan's VW cars water tank,   using the  process to agitate the water and make steam!  Stan is seen several times carefully stopping himself from saying the word steam.

SINCE
UNLIKE ATOMS TAKE ON OPPOSITE ELECTRICAL CHARGES, we simply use another part of our technology, to restrict the amp and allow voltage to take over, and there by agitating the water molecule making knetic energy which CREATES=STEAM to be
injected with hho and ambient gases. this gives the 15 times expansion again inside the cylinder onve ignited with hho and ambient gases, moving our car with GRUNT!

I feel this is vital topics to keep pace  with others
as in Russ's tube test, the injected steam would help a lot if
made there  to be mixed in the combustion chamber with ,
hho off electrolyer, gas from gas gun (ionized gases from ambient air) which is mix fed as required with exhaust gases.

I started this thread to specifically get specs and plans on this section of system started
 and and work started on a steam resonator circuit and design started to be planned to work with other parts of system.

Link to one of stans last videos is here to download
and save it is it one of the best.

As it show hows to address different altitudes and air pressures and freezing of water in tank.

STANLEY MEYER - WATER POWERED CAR (FLUU) INTERVIEW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChHXw2kbI0&feature=youtu.be

Ignition and Injection Systems

I  will also start  to a new injection and ignition control threat ,

Ideally we  would  use a multi stage mulitport drag race  computer systems
which can handle mulitple sets of injectors of h2, ambient gases and steam timing with high power spark igition timing. Stan Made his?

So in lead up these 2 sections are a must see.

Injection systems
http://www.jegs.com/p/AEM/AEM-Engine-Position-Module/1582625/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/c/Fuel-Carbs-Intakes_Fuel-Injection/10299/10002/-1

Ignition systems
http://www.nology.com/hot.html

Dan
:cool: Dan I am in anticipation of your testing and out come, :D.


securesupplies

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #3, on March 5th, 2012, 06:28 AM »Last edited on March 5th, 2012, 07:05 AM by securesupplies
Found this Memo from Stan very interesting for the steam resonator part of system.

Memo WFC 430

WFC Steam Resonator,  Particle Oscillation as a Energy Generator
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/section11.pdf

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Re All good forum items now

Can we consolidate all this info into word files or pdfs
in section say in drop box file or cloud site dated.

So we can routine back all this up and share faster.

Dan
Thanks Hazar

Here is consolidated items from that old link

Daniel
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Heat/Steam Resonator (element) Stan Meyer style circuit test @ 90VDC, 1A, 1.2 KHz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsmdSkYEp6M&feature=player_embedded

We are testing this element for the home heating boiler. Heating up 1 liter of water from 15 Celsius to 90 Celsius in 1 second is faster than a magnetron. The element used in this test is "3XXX 3#INCH". We are using a new circuit for this test.

What we are doing is testing a circuit at various frequencies and voltages at low amperage to find resonance and to quickly heat the water.

The reasons why you would need a "heat resonator" is, for example, to defrost the fuel tank, with water as fuel, in the winter if it is frozen. We would also use the "heat resonator" in a home heating boiler to heat up the water and pump it around the house to have a warm house in the winter. In Europe, we use a lot of propane in the wintertime to warm up our houses.
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RE: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
Here is a circuit for the steam resonator not found in the technical brief or in other Stan's publications made public as memo WFC427DA sourced from Tony Woodside's site.  
PDF attached

A brief observation of this image appears as if the left circuit is a mirror opposite of the right circuit. It may be as simple as applying alternating current to the water.
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firepinto
I wonder if the up-side-down letter B next to voltage zone E14 has any meaning? I start to wonder if Stan left hidden meanings in his work. Either that or its just a typo.
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Good job haxar to have opened that thread!

the steam resonator is a follow up project of the WFC application. once the VIC works the right way the operational chain of secondary, chokes, diode and electrodes can be doubled and space between both electrodes can be changed. that way no hydrogen is produced and therefore there is no need for an EEC in this application.

don´t be fooled by the GND signs - they are isolated so that there is no real GND at all. you can take "Off" as negative potential "B-"

the circuit works the following way:

each electrode can change it´s state between positive voltage field and "GND".

that way ions have to travel around a lot in the water bath heating it up by the way. the true value is the VIC doing it´s voltage potential work with minimum amount of amp flow.
both mirror side circuits are operated anti-cyclic.
as Meyer said: it´s all about timing :-)
bussi04
Germany
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Additional diagrams on this section can be found in technical brief  
wfc section 430
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyermemo.pdf

Also attached for those who have not yet printed 100 copies and passed
around their local industrial area yet.
Every one needs  a fresh copy dropped to their offices particulary
LPG NGV conversion operators whohave access and ready knowledge of injection systems.

Dan:idea:

securesupplies

Vastly higher rates of combustion!!
« Reply #4, on March 7th, 2012, 08:20 AM »
This is a very important
 explanation of effects on pressures
in the mixing of gases liquids in the engine intake
and vice versa, and why they mix
& more readily when gas to gas and liguid to liquid.
and not gas to liquid.

it also raise awareness of what is happening in ecu oxygen sensors.

It is another key to why stan had a intake throttle butterfly,
and why he used steam with gases instead of water gas to gas.

Basic intro to concept and very good info about the
chemical changes in fuel mixes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHV-ANmN0ns
Graphic of air flow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2V8M_oVvLo&feature=related
Pressures and mixing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQhs9VsAPlo&feature=related

securesupplies

Ion Measurement after ignition & Groves also in cylinder head
« Reply #5, on March 7th, 2012, 09:29 AM »Last edited on March 7th, 2012, 09:43 AM by securesupplies
Vortex in intake manifolds AND COMBUSTION CHAMBERS
WITH ION MEASUREMENT from the combusting gases,  sound exciting?

Boys and girl there are some very interest tools here,
we need to pick up our game and get to next level.
the key to this knowledge may just be sharing the best current
fuel injector micro controllers and sensor ic's
and re programming them a little
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Here are the links.

First is interesting and trival to do with
combustion turblulance steeming from mr gadet groove and
Somender Singh which may be useful for russ's generator


http://www.herningg.com/singh/Ionization%20current%20analysis.pdf
others here  are Awesome! for our applicatons

Ion measurement inside combustion chamber before or after combustion.
References on Ionization Current:
Delphi Ionization Current Systems

http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/powertrain/gas/ignsys/ionized/
James Murray and Alex Smith 23 July 2003
http://www.jsm-net.demon.co.uk/ion/
Spark-Advance Control by Ion-Sensing and Interpretation; by Lars Eriksson, PhD Student
http://www.fs.isy.liu.se/~larer/Projects/main.html
DIY ion sensing ignition subsystem, by Ville Vartiovaara
http://www.aces.edu/~parmega/efi/temp/DIY-Ion-Sensing.pdf
Cylinder Pressure & Ionization Current Modeling for Spark Ignited Engines, by Ingemar Andersson
http://www.vehicular.isy.liu.se/Publications/Lic/02_LIC_962_IA.pdf
Spark Advance Modeling and Control; by Lars Eriksson
http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/resources/docs/99_PhD_580_LE.pdf

PLEASE SHARE CONTROLLER YOU FIND WHICH CAN HANDLE
3 Sets /ROWS OF injectors ( hho,steam,air,) timing,and ion senors if found this could be a seperate mechanisium.
This one was deleted from several locations.
http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/internet_articles/Spark-Advance%20Control%20by%20Ion-Sensing%20and%20Interpretation.htm

attached better save and print it for others in future.

securesupplies

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #6, on March 8th, 2012, 08:47 PM »Last edited on March 8th, 2012, 09:31 PM by securesupplies
It

Seams I believe Stan was using very close to
this technique to create h2 ,02,03 & steam Super heated water with out bubbles
or disturbance.  In several great posts I have read about making a vacuum to to create and control gases and that gas to gas and liguid to liquid mixes better, this new one disproves that and creates some super advance once joined with laser and gas gun.

Once new technique was proven and stable for line and pressures stan sent it to his injector and added his extra air management and part as we know, to control engine system  better with now off the shelf ecu and injector soli noids.
 
I do believe we have all the keys now in place.

Please watch this video
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/newreply.php?tid=384
if gone please email me securesupplies@hotmail.com
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Below are examples of Ohmasa areas of application
before trying on h2 , you my find suppliers in these areas
if you can not build if you do please post in this thread.
So we can all adapt and try quickly

Dan
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Dan
Just noticed today that this tech continues to evolve and improve:
http://changingpower.net/articles/japanese-technologist-sees-water-as-energy-source/
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    He applies specific low frequencies to water and agitated it to chemically dissolve the water.  The oxygen and the hydrogen generated a unified oxy-hydrogen in a safe format, and this oxy-hydrogen solution can create fire to weld with and energy to run a motor. They already succeeded in running a motorbike with this Ohmasa gas.

I'm not working on this but maybe someone who is might try 'agitating' water?
tak
Re: WATER AS FUEL-OHMASA GAS
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 01:25:40 PM »
I'm glad to see a topic-specific thread to be started on this.

I tried one and it faded without interest.

Remember, Meyer had individual piezo's
on the bottom of his tubes to do this...

Hence the notches on the outer tubes
to match the pitch (Pipe organ trick).

This ain't new.

But I must state emphatically that no one should
try to compress gas structures that are not verified !

~1600-1800:1 people, big big bang !

No lab confirmation,
DO NOT compress it !

Sorry, had to be said
before the inevitable happens...

And you do know to never ever use
a container reinforced with carbon fiber
right ??? !!!
The one thing that nags me is this,
the Hydrogen has stabilized somehow,
it stores without leaching through the
storage container walls like it usually does.
Remember that doing "this" tends to
allow absorbed gasses to release,
thus leaving a liquid that can be
super-heated and explode violently.

quiet a few experiments looking for
water resonance frequencies have
removed all gaseous suspensions
and allowed explosions from the piezo
causing cavitaion on de-gased liquid.

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Compu Tutor
greetings,

Yes agitation does degas ,we remove Radon from water this way[so does nature].
What do you mean by piezo cavitation?[what sonoluminescence[spelling?]]

Thanks
Chet
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ell, theres that too,
but I was referring to a vertical column of water
degassed by the induced sound waves from a large
piezo transducer mounted at the bottom pointing up.

While playing with standing waves and so forth
the water will continue to degas and also heat up.

There will be a point reached where the water
has become super-heated without any bubbles
to start a "Rolling boil" that keeps all in check.

Especially when you consider additionally
a standing wave in the water same time.

Yes, I spell like crap, fair warning on that one,
but in case you meant your spelling Chet,
you spelled "sonoluminescence" correctly...  :)
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Has anybody tried to use piezo water mist bublers to use ultrasonic
sound piezo devices to agitate and shake the electrolysis plates
to get these nano HHO bubbles ?

There are now some pretty interesting videos here:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUbWOe4I4tA


It states:

This is an extraordinary video, if you just know the meaning of what is happening.

This motorbike (1050 W Robin Engine) is driven solely on OHMASA-GAS, which has been produced by electrolysis of water with vibration.

Please watch the following video about OHMASA-GAS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUPE0Z9V82E

In June of this year, Dr. Ohmasa succeeded in running a motorbike using this OHMASA-GAS.

In the cylinder attached to the motorbike, OHMASA-GAS is stored at a pressure of 10 MPa (100 atm).

OHMASA-GAS is simply introduced into the simple Robin Engine, and the engine is running very smoothly powered by this OHMASA-GAS only.

After combustion, OHMASA-GAS will become just water, and never produce any pollutants.

If you electrolyze water without vibration, you will get a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen, which is explosive and VERY dangerous, and called a detonating gas. You cannot drive a motorbike as shown in this video if you use this detonating gas. You would be dead.

You might be thinking that OHMASA-GAS is a kind of Brown Gas, yet it is not. In the case of Brown Gas, running a motorbike in this way is also impossible. Brown Gas can be compressed to the pressure of 0.3 MPa (3 atm). If you want to compress more, the gas may explode.

So, only OHMASA-GAS can drive a motorbike this way safely.

You might think about hydrogen energy system.

Yet, hydrogen is very difficult to store as it is easily leaked from an ordinary metal cylinder because its molecular size (= 2) is very small. Also, hydrogen erodes the surface of metal, which is  called hydrogen embrittelement.

Also, it is very difficult to run a simple engine using hydrogen gas, as its burning temperature is very high (about 3,000 degree). At this high temperature, the material of a simple engine will be melted and the engine will be destroyed.

On the contrary, OHMASA-GAS can overcome all the above problems.

It can be stored in an ordinary cylinder for a long time (at 10 MPa more than 2 years without any drop of pressure). There was no hydrogen embrittelement on the inner surface of the cylinder in which OHMASA-GAS had been stored for 2 years. A simple engine can be run by OHMASA-GAS because its burning temperature is only about 700 degree. So, burning of OHMASA-GAS does not destroy the engine.

We are convinced that OHMASA-GAS system, which is a completely clean energy system, will save the humanity and our planetary environment.


https://www.youtube.com/user/watermemory?feature=watch#g/u
Check out the Battery
he made -  very interesting , the purity of the gas is important for fuel cells.
so he made have break a second break through on the fuel cell add on also.
at may have less corosion of degradation effects in the form on fuel cell. , best start vibrating the
electrolyizers and see what happens! to the electron extraction circuit !!

US2007003803




Jeff Nading

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #10, on June 24th, 2012, 03:57 PM »
Quote from reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 03:49 PM
sorry off topic question. Do I have to be a special member to subscribe to threads? I keep getting a msg "authorization code mismatch" when I click subscribe?? thanks
No Steve, you are and all of us are already special members here :huh::D, just kidding. No Steve really, I don't know what is happening there with your trying to subscribe to a thread, try posting to the thread you want to subscribe to, this in itself will subscribe you to that thread, Jeff.:D



tutanka

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #13, on September 4th, 2012, 06:04 AM »Last edited on September 4th, 2012, 06:16 AM by tutanka
Quote from securesupplies on April 18th, 2012, 02:16 AM
New PCs

Please add your Specific operation
knowledge to this thread for others .

Dan
Hello,
In fact STEAM RESONATOR produce brown gas to pressure generated inside chambre , after is mixed with ionized air and sended to injector, ionized air in fact when in presence of free electrons (brown gas burning) is ignited simply releasing enough thermal power.  Meyer have just found other method for create a lot of brown gas for run an endothermic engine. Is very important to understand that for obtain real brown gas need to use just filtered water without electrolyte inside. Brown gas born just "stressing water with electricity pulses ".

FaradayEZ

RE: Steam Resonator -for injection with hho & other gases a seperate steam maker on tank
« Reply #14, on September 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM »Last edited on September 9th, 2012, 01:58 PM by FaradayEZ
Hi Dan,

The geek concept also uses steam and is proven in many video's.

So yes, steam of water is used, in combustion engine's...for power but also for timing the engine. To slow down the ignition time of the gas.

I have not read all the referrels and stuff and links and what have ye that you put in the posts above.. but concentrating on the thread question this is what i think about it.

Bless ye and keep things simple..??  ;)

EZ