Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 6th, 2012, 03:37 AM

Quote from hydrofuelincanada on April 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM

I have been asking him for a long time now, not just on this site.
We all should know by now that adjusting the burn rate to that of gasoline, absolutely no engine modifications are necessary.

Hey,

Sorry for not replying. I also have seen some of your questions about your your torch. I have not seen anything you have done. I need to get on your YouTube channel and take a look. I have been a little bit overwhelmed with life lately. My upmost apology for not answering your questions.

The only reason I would want to modify the engine timing is to just do tests. I have tried a lot of different mixtures with hydrogen ambient air and recycled exhaust gases. I've even almost completely shut off the exhaust and it still runs. but it has not run like it normally would on gasoline. So I wanted to be able to play with timing to see what was easiest. It's very simple to a just timing on a car. So it options should be there. Even if you look at Stan's GM S unit he is able to adjust the timing as well as everything else. So I think that we should be able to adjust the timing even though we're trying to adjust the burn rate of hydrogen it's a different medium and I believe that timing will need to be adjusted to get maximum performance

I've already proven that you can run hydrogen into an engine with no modifications and make it work. But unfortunately I haven't got the same horsepower out of it.
I'm not the first person to do this but just from experience on my own tests I think that timing needs to be adjusted.


 If you would please post your YouTube channel link here. I don't think I have seen any of your work and I think I should. Sounds like you've done a bunch of research and I definitely need to check it out.

I haven't answered hardly anyone's questions on YouTube lately. I've had a hard time getting on there and responding. Anytime I'm on a computer I can't get to YouTube. :) (at work)

Also on the note of water ruining the engine. Once the engine warms up the water will evaporate. If you're using straight hydrogen and oxygen I can see it being a slight problem. But you're always going to be introducing some ambient air and in this case recycled exhaust gases as well. This will minimize the amount of water in the engine. If you take a look in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY7OHAqGdn8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You will see that the engine was spitting out water when it was cold. At the end of the video you will see that once it warms up there was no more water in the system. But I do not adjust anything it just wants up enough I think to the  evaporate the water.

Hi Russ,
I was going through some notes and thought you may be interested in something about magnets.
Some time ago I found on an italian forum where someone in the Northern Hemisphere used the polarity of North on their Fuel line(petrol), South on the Air intake.

So i suggest to help these be attracted to each other in the combustion chamber when adding HHO, add a magnet to the hho line (s) South. Put the magnets on plastic/rubber pipes only, give the length (say 30 to 60mm)of the magnet enough to have a useful time for polarisation, maybe that might be of use.?

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Hi Russ,
I was going through some notes and thought you may be interested in something about magnets.
Some time ago I found on an italian forum where someone in the Northern Hemisphere used the polarity of North on their Fuel line(petrol), South on the Air intake.

So i suggest to help these be attracted to each other in the combustion chamber when adding HHO, add a magnet to the hho line (s) South. Put the magnets on plastic/rubber pipes only, give the length (say 30 to 60mm)of the magnet enough to have a useful time for polarisation, maybe that might be of use.?

interesting! i have heard of such things but not quite like that! so what would be the outcome for doing such a thing? thanks for the thoughts!! ~Russ

Quote from Jeff Nading on April 6th, 2012, 06:59 AM

One thing I need to mention about water coming out of the exhaust, this happens on my truck all the time even when it was new. I see this on just about all the vehicles running today.

Very true.  Here's something to back your statement. :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion
This is the ideal chemical reaction of methane with oxygen.
"CH4 + 2 O2 → CO2 + 2 H2O + Energy"

So... seeing water come out the exhaust would be perfectly normal.  Including your Carbon Dioxide.

It could be any "hydrocarbon" with the right amount of Oxygen.  Some examples include Propane, Methane, Octane, etc.

I just got an Arduino board!  I'll look into programming you an auto-controller.  :D

I've read that cast iron is affected by exposure to hydrogen, it's coined hydrogen imbrittlement. Many claim you need to treat the engine with ceramic coatings. I have no first hand experience with it in engines but I can tell you that I had a HHO cell that leaked it's water on my table saw and to this day the area affected continues to rust faster than the rest of the table even after being sanded, cleaned and waxed.

Do you know if the generator engine has a cast iron sleeve? Most of the small engines are aluminum bore with crome rings making the only problem area the valves. Should be no probem running the generator on HHO.

Quote from DanB on May 2nd, 2012, 03:51 PM

I've read that cast iron is affected by exposure to hydrogen, it's coined hydrogen imbrittlement. Many claim you need to treat the engine with ceramic coatings. I have no first hand experience with it in engines but I can tell you that I had a HHO cell that leaked it's water on my table saw and to this day the area affected continues to rust faster than the rest of the table even after being sanded, cleaned and waxed.

Do you know if the generator engine has a cast iron sleeve? Most of the small engines are aluminum bore with crome rings making the only problem area the valves. Should be no probem running the generator on HHO.

The imbrittlement you are referring to occurs when the container is holding hydrogen under high pressure.  It is caused by the hydrogen atoms being push into the molecular structure of the container.  This problem can occur in tubing as well.

Also, rust is a byproduct from oxygen contact not hydrogen.

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 2nd, 2012, 04:13 PM

Quote from DanB on May 2nd, 2012, 03:51 PM

I've read that cast iron is affected by exposure to hydrogen, it's coined hydrogen imbrittlement. Many claim you need to treat the engine with ceramic coatings. I have no first hand experience with it in engines but I can tell you that I had a HHO cell that leaked it's water on my table saw and to this day the area affected continues to rust faster than the rest of the table even after being sanded, cleaned and waxed.

Do you know if the generator engine has a cast iron sleeve? Most of the small engines are aluminum bore with crome rings making the only problem area the valves. Should be no probem running the generator on HHO.

The imbrittlement you are referring to occurs when the container is holding hydrogen under high pressure.  It is caused by the hydrogen atoms being push into the molecular structure of the container.  This problem can occur in tubing as well.

Also, rust is a byproduct from oxygen contact not hydrogen.

Yes, the oxygen is what causes rust formation, not hydrogen, oxygen formation of rust is where iron oxide comes from. :D You stop and think about it what is gasoline? :D It's hydro carbons, so what are you burning in you engine, the hydro part of gasoline which in essence is hydrogen, so to all of us, lets kill the myth that hydrogen rust the cylinders of your engine, we've been burning it in the internal combustion engine from the start.:D

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

awsome how far along are you with your build?
also have you thought of using a car radiator as a condenser for the exaust gas? or possibly a car A/C condenser.
check this video out here and imagine the compresser is the motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

and this video here about the metering device might be usefull to modify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

Quote from Remand on May 9th, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

awsome how far along are you with your build?
also have you thought of using a car radiator as a condenser for the exaust gas? or possibly a car A/C condenser.
check this video out here and imagine the compresser is the motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

and this video here about the metering device might be usefull to modify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

thanks for the feed back!

haven't had too much time lately to mess with this project! but still doing some research and trying to change the timing  and such!

looking in to the self loop type of system...

check out this video by tinmanpower:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHcm_nUZsOc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

we have been working together to bring forth something that is self looped, one thing is that to do self loop we still need enough hydrogen to make the system to run.

but when using water as a fuel, we can do away with inlet air all together! wont that be a cool sight to see... an engine running with know intake or exhaust! :)  

time time... we will get there! all takes time! lol

Thanks for your thoughts!
Blessings! ~Russ

Quote from Remand on May 9th, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

awsome how far along are you with your build?
also have you thought of using a car radiator as a condenser for the exaust gas? or possibly a car A/C condenser.
check this video out here and imagine the compresser is the motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

and this video here about the metering device might be usefull to modify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAV8Yf8FEk&feature=related

I had a bash at cooling exhaust with a radiator. check out the scooter thread, got some pretty good temperature drops when the thing was moving. its definatly possible to do.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

Quote from Remand on May 13th, 2012, 03:43 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

One reason for the non-combustible gasses is to slow the burn rate of the hydrogen to match that of gasoline in an internal combustion engine.:D

Hey check this out was looking at a bunch of stuff with people running engines of compressed air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1TNHGgbXE&feature=related

What if we hooked up a turbo of some sort up to a pully and run it closed looped and add a little HHO kaboom ? say 1/4 way down the power stroke.

Just thinking out loud :)

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 13th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Quote from Remand on May 13th, 2012, 03:43 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

One reason for the non-combustible gasses is to slow the burn rate of the hydrogen to match that of gasoline in an internal combustion engine.:D

Hey Jeff, so I started asking myself if its really neccisary to adjust the burn rate of hydrogen. assumeing the idea is to have a combustion that last through the entire power stroke cycle. Without personally experimenting im just speculating.
Anyway what if we were to have multiple detonations in one powerstroke cycle by fireing the injectors several times, and obviously spark to.
check this video out here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_c_iXBWYXg&feature=related

And for scientific reasons keep your mind open about nox because if you were in the business of supressing technology lol.

And this here would be perfect for gas mixing right to injectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDrzHpNP20U&feature=relmfu

horse power is good lol :)

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

Quote from Remand on May 16th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 13th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Quote from Remand on May 13th, 2012, 03:43 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

One reason for the non-combustible gasses is to slow the burn rate of the hydrogen to match that of gasoline in an internal combustion engine.:D

Hey Jeff, so I started asking myself if its really neccisary to adjust the burn rate of hydrogen. assumeing the idea is to have a combustion that last through the entire power stroke cycle. Without personally experimenting im just speculating.
Anyway what if we were to have multiple detonations in one powerstroke cycle by fireing the injectors several times, and obviously spark to.
check this video out here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_c_iXBWYXg&feature=related

And for scientific reasons keep your mind open about nox because if you were in the business of supressing technology lol.

And this here would be perfect for gas mixing right to injectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDrzHpNP20U&feature=relmfu

horse power is good lol :)

Hi Remand, I think your ideas have merit :cool:, two things to remember though.
1. Hydrogen burns 5 times faster than gasoline :huh:, so without slowing the burn down, the internal combustion engine being what it is, dark ages technology,  would not function properly. You would also have pre-detonation, hydrogen burning faster than the engine pistons and crankshaft could move. A better engine choice would be a turbine, even then I think you would still have to slow the burn rate a bit to keep from melting the turbine blades.:D

2. In a rain storm, I know, what does this have to do with it, answer, most of the time there are many lightening strikes, we see them all the time, we know what causes them, cold and warm air masses passing or colliding with one another, so if we think about it, what does lightening produce, one of many things, nitrates that fall to the earth, that are very beneficial to plant life. What are nitrates, well, it's nitrogen, caused from high voltage, lightening. Oxygen also plays a part from the lightening strike, it combines with nitrogen, so you could really say that the lightening also produces nitrous oxide. I really think that Stan was using this byproduct of high voltage, nitrous oxide, along with hydrogen being produced in the engine cylinder, I could be wrong but it is something to think about, Jeff.:D

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

An external way to do it would be off the crankshaft, no mess or oil to play havoc with the sensor:D.

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 16th, 2012, 09:36 PM

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

An external way to do it would be off the crankshaft, no mess or oil to play havoc with the sensor:D.

I'll set it up with a single trigger setup and the details can be worked out by the individual doing it.

An rpm input sensor, a timing trigger, and a spark actuator.  Should that be enough?  I can program it so the code can be compiled with or without the rpm sensor.

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:43 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 16th, 2012, 09:36 PM

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

An external way to do it would be off the crankshaft, no mess or oil to play havoc with the sensor:D.

I'll set it up with a single trigger setup and the details can be worked out by the individual doing it.

An rpm input sensor, a timing trigger, and a spark actuator.  Should that be enough?  I can program it so the code can be compiled with or without the rpm sensor.

All three would be good.:cool: What sensors would be used or would that be something to program in?

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Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

An external way to do it would be off the crankshaft, no mess or oil to play havoc with the sensor:D.

I'll set it up with a single trigger setup and the details can be worked out by the individual doing it.

An rpm input sensor, a timing trigger, and a spark actuator.  Should that be enough?  I can program it so the code can be compiled with or without the rpm sensor.

All three would be good.:cool: What sensors would be used or would that be something to program in?

I'm just getting into this circutry stuff so I'm not sure what would be a good option for the rpm sensor, but the timing sensor could be something as simple as a pressure switch that activates once per revolution at a specific interval.  The reason I said valves is that it is a 4-stroke engine - the crankshaft makes 2 revolutions per cycle.

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 16th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Sorry, it is taking me a while to code a custom spark timing system for the single cylinder setup.  I've been having some issues with my computer.

An idea came to me, what about attaching a trigger to activate off the intake or exhaust valve/cam for timing the spark?  Anyway, I'm working on it.  :D

hey buddy, no worries!

ill try to get with you next week.

also, we may be able to do such a thing. only thing is i wanted to make this extremely easy to do for anybody? but we will see how it goes!

take your time! we will get there! we still have some things to workout anyway! talk soon! ~Russ

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Quote from Remand on May 16th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 13th, 2012, 04:17 PM

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Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 3rd, 2012, 03:21 AM

Hydroxy Ran Gen-set Conversion Stanley Meyer stile...

here i will be posting the work on the Gen-Set.

it is a 7HP OHV gas 3500W Gen Set (made in china...)

so far i have studded it and decided to make some changes.

for now i made this manifold to introduce the gasses i would like to the system. this will be going between the carb and the engine. i may also make one that will be going in front of the butterfly valve. i don't know just yet if i need to introduce the different gasses in different spots.

the gasses Stan used:

SM 4 gasses/items going in to the engine, (from interview of him in the driveway)

1. hydroxy gas (manufactured under high voltage no amperage in the form of parsley ionizing of the gases/water in the process) ( non processed Natural water)

2. Ionized ambient air ( using the gas possessor)

3. recycled exhaust gasses ( cooled using a small tube style heat exchanger) (ran in to the intake) (controlled with a proportional valve)

4. ambient air (using a butterfly valve going on to the intake)

Ambient air and recycled exhaust gasses going in to the intake with butterfly valve as throttle control.

the ionized gases and hydroxy gas is going in to the injector block you see in the new videos of him and his brother. (? in actual intake of ionized gases... )

the exhaust gasses (non combustible gas) slow down the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen by being "in the way" during the combustion process.

The carb in my case will be used as a butterfly valve only.

i will update this post with more info as i go.

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

One reason for the non-combustible gasses is to slow the burn rate of the hydrogen to match that of gasoline in an internal combustion engine.:D

Hey Jeff, so I started asking myself if its really neccisary to adjust the burn rate of hydrogen. assumeing the idea is to have a combustion that last through the entire power stroke cycle. Without personally experimenting im just speculating.
Anyway what if we were to have multiple detonations in one powerstroke cycle by fireing the injectors several times, and obviously spark to.
check this video out here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_c_iXBWYXg&feature=related

And for scientific reasons keep your mind open about nox because if you were in the business of supressing technology lol.

And this here would be perfect for gas mixing right to injectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDrzHpNP20U&feature=relmfu

horse power is good lol :)

Hi Remand, I think your ideas have merit :cool:, two things to remember though.
1. Hydrogen burns 5 times faster than gasoline :huh:, so without slowing the burn down, the internal combustion engine being what it is, dark ages technology,  would not function properly. You would also have pre-detonation, hydrogen burning faster than the engine pistons and crankshaft could move. A better engine choice would be a turbine, even then I think you would still have to slow the burn rate a bit to keep from melting the turbine blades.:D

2. In a rain storm, I know, what does this have to do with it, answer, most of the time there are many lightening strikes, we see them all the time, we know what causes them, cold and warm air masses passing or colliding with one another, so if we think about it, what does lightening produce, one of many things, nitrates that fall to the earth, that are very beneficial to plant life. What are nitrates, well, it's nitrogen, caused from high voltage, lightening. Oxygen also plays a part from the lightening strike, it combines with nitrogen, so you could really say that the lightening also produces nitrous oxide. I really think that Stan was using this byproduct of high voltage, nitrous oxide, along with hydrogen being produced in the engine cylinder, I could be wrong but it is something to think about, Jeff.:D

Hey check this out, maybe someone out there can make sence of this lol my brain is hurting.  http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19780002290_1978002290.pdf

Quote from Remand on May 17th, 2012, 06:31 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 16th, 2012, 09:27 PM

Quote from Remand on May 16th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 13th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Quote from Remand on May 13th, 2012, 03:43 PM

So I have been doing some brainstorming on a closed looped system, Im trying to understand how such a thing might work.
Ok so think if you had a high pressure on the intake side and a low pressure on the exhaust side, the high pressure would help to push down the piston on the intake stroke and the low pressure would help suck the piston back up on the exhaust stroke ?
And trying to keep in mind what kinds off gasses are present, I found this here kind of interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqyG9QG6oc&feature=related
It stand to reason that the high tempature of burning HHO you get some of those gasses. And if we (Pump up ) ambiant air gasses more gasses of that kind will be made.  
Now filling the cylinder with a bunch of gassses that dont support combustion I cant see the logic in that, more then a small amount.
So if your burning HHO its known that you have an explosion and implosion, caused by the gas turning to liquid, wich takes up less volume.

So creating a vaccum on the exhause side shouldnt be to hard if burning hho cause it condesnes to water, the rest of the gasses would be steam and differant types of nitrogen gasses, also oxygen.  

so pass the exhaust gas through a radiator so they can cool and condence and collect in a resivoir, then vaccum pump to a high pressure tank with a one way valve ? ( A side thought there is nothing but vaccume is outer space )


You cannot break the laws of thermodynamics, cause if you break the LAW you go to JAIL...Fines and imprisonment !!!  Quoted by me lol

One reason for the non-combustible gasses is to slow the burn rate of the hydrogen to match that of gasoline in an internal combustion engine.:D

Hey Jeff, so I started asking myself if its really neccisary to adjust the burn rate of hydrogen. assumeing the idea is to have a combustion that last through the entire power stroke cycle. Without personally experimenting im just speculating.
Anyway what if we were to have multiple detonations in one powerstroke cycle by fireing the injectors several times, and obviously spark to.
check this video out here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_c_iXBWYXg&feature=related

And for scientific reasons keep your mind open about nox because if you were in the business of supressing technology lol.

And this here would be perfect for gas mixing right to injectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDrzHpNP20U&feature=relmfu

horse power is good lol :)

Hi Remand, I think your ideas have merit :cool:, two things to remember though.
1. Hydrogen burns 5 times faster than gasoline :huh:, so without slowing the burn down, the internal combustion engine being what it is, dark ages technology,  would not function properly. You would also have pre-detonation, hydrogen burning faster than the engine pistons and crankshaft could move. A better engine choice would be a turbine, even then I think you would still have to slow the burn rate a bit to keep from melting the turbine blades.:D

2. In a rain storm, I know, what does this have to do with it, answer, most of the time there are many lightening strikes, we see them all the time, we know what causes them, cold and warm air masses passing or colliding with one another, so if we think about it, what does lightening produce, one of many things, nitrates that fall to the earth, that are very beneficial to plant life. What are nitrates, well, it's nitrogen, caused from high voltage, lightening. Oxygen also plays a part from the lightening strike, it combines with nitrogen, so you could really say that the lightening also produces nitrous oxide. I really think that Stan was using this byproduct of high voltage, nitrous oxide, along with hydrogen being produced in the engine cylinder, I could be wrong but it is something to think about, Jeff.:D

Hey check this out, maybe someone out there can make sence of this lol my brain is hurting.  http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19780002290_1978002290.pdf

WOO:huh:, I think Terry Dixon would understand this, but it's beyond my realm.

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