Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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ok here is start of Injector Set Matrix, we pull them out separate from GMS  as most advanced are injector cards  ,
so now we have completed gms for vics   we do the main board injector cards.

Alex was going to help with some wiring but he disappeared so I gus we just do it the old fashioned way

DD  Version v1 Gerber Attached

GOD SPEED








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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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Version 5
this we add the manual toggle trace, test points,
and the 5 volt and grounds moved some labels around
and we consider the implications of these wiring out and in through db 9 , there is more study and work to day we which is occurring now as others review it also

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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Questions

1 is there a need for 2 distributor hall sensor or can it be 1  ,

2 are distributor card wired right?

3 where does the Toggle M out from injector card terminal or go ? ( brown Trace)

3.5 there is a Test Point line out from injector cards signal have i interpreted this right? ( green Trace)

4 the Load pin from injector card hoes where?
 ( pink Trace )

5 How is Round vic wired into this system is there a driver circuit or diode for round vic.

5.5 ift there is a Signal from k2 k15, where do they go into  into summing circuit? how does summing circuit send signal to these distributor or injector cards? or does not not ? or is that the Load Pin?

6 Summing Circuit is not in this diagram yet as
 we wanted to get this part done first
but summing circuit  where does it splice in 
 or is is separate controlling the egr and intake gates? I can connect it on db 9 separate or split it into the above layout.

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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Version 6

We add notes,  for signals into db9 from pulse width card and gate card and via summing circuit, summing circuit appears to be a piggy back to control egr % and intake  gate % base on tps position and engine temp. i can be by passed or left out is out opinion for these initial confirm of wiring. 

We are study the wiring of vic bobbin  as it may be that is spark signal comes form injector cars and the water solenoid triggered by distributor card.


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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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 IN this version I have the injector card firing the solenoids that does seam wrong
which means If I have injector card fire the  round vic bobbin  , it leans to say we should have 4  round bobbin
if we are to run gated pulse train into it in a timed fashion  , as we are beyond the point system which stan may have used.


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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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In this Version we change the Injector card from triggering the push solenoids to  send gated pulse train with adjusted voltage amplitude to the injector  vic bobbin, we are considering how the distributor and card can work and if the water solenoids are simply a piggy back on  sign to injector cards?




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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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Questions

1 is there a need for 2 distributor hall sensor or can it be 1  ,

2 are distributor card wired right?

3 where does the Toggle M out from injector card terminal or go ? ( brown Trace)

3.5 there is a Test Point line out from injector cards signal have i interpreted this right? ( green Trace)

4 the Load pin from injector card hoes where?
 ( pink Trace )

5 How is Round vic wined into this system is there a driver circuit or diode for round vic.

6 Summing Circuit is not in this diagram yet as
 we wanted to get this part done first
but summing circuit  where does it splice in 
 or is is separate controlling the egr and intake gates? I can connect it on db 9 separate or split it into the above layout.

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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If you wait and or live long enough all questions get answered , that is unless you make new Questions LOL

Do Fuel Injectors Have A Positive And Negative (Polarity)?
Written by Osuagwu Solomon  in Fuel System Last Updated June 13, 2023
Fuel injectors are essential to fuel delivery system components that help send fuel evenly into engine cylinders. But how do they manage electric flow to function? Do fuel injectors have a positive and negative polarity?

Fuel injectors do not have positive/negative polarity, and they work as solenoid valves with insensitive polarity. Hence the wires have no positive/negative ends. It receives electrical pulses from the engine control module, telling it when to open and close and how to adjust the fuel delivery to each cylinder.

In this article, I’ll explain everything you need to know about fuel injectors’ polarity. But first, let’s see fuel injectors working principles.

what happens if you cross fuel injector wires
Fuel Injectors Working Principle
There are two fuel systems types: carburetor and fuel injection systems. The fuel injectors are essential components in the injection system used to inject the right amount of air-fuel mixture into individual cylinders.

Fuel injectors work with the electric flow. The nozzle will open and spray fuel into the cylinders when it receives voltage.

But what tells the fuel injectors to work? Fuel injectors do not work with just electric flow. They receive instructions from the engine control unit (ECU) about the right amount of gas to inject into the cylinders and when to open and close.

The fuel injectors are controlled with pressure-sensitive springs. The injector needle valves spray atomized and pressurized fuel into individual cylinders. The needle valve lifts its seat while spraying fuel into the engine. Once the pressure stops, the needle returns to its seat, causing the fuel injection to stop.

Do fuel injectors have a positive and negative?
Fuel injector wiring does not depend on polarity. Hence, they do not have negative/positive polarity wires. If you’re asking, do fuel injectors have polarity? The answer is no. As long as one of the injector plugs is connected to the positive wire and the other is grounded (that is, connected to the negative wire), the magnetic coil will receive current, and the injectors will function properly.

what causes low voltage to fuel injectors
What are the two wires on an injector?
Most fuel injectors have two terminals that the prongs insert into. These wires are a fuel injector wire and a common rail wire. Different injector wires on the same vehicle usually have different colors. But the wire with the same color across all the injectors is the common ignition wire.

One of the wires constantly has 12 volts, while the other has 0 volts. The one with 0 volts is often called the fuel injector ground wire. You should take note of this when testing the wires to avoid thinking you have electrical issues where nothing is wrong with the vehicle.

What is the polarity of fuel injectors?
As explained earlier, fuel injectors have no polarity. It is a solenoid valve not affected nor influenced by polarity.

Unlike components like light bulbs, car batteries, and other system parts with negative and positive wires, fuel injectors are electromechanical devices controlled by electrical signals instead of direct electric currents.

The fuel injectors work using electric pulses where the powertrain control module (PCM) sends a series of electric pulses, telling them the right amount of fuel to inject into the cylinders for optimal engine performance.

Are fuel injectors 12 volts?
Yes, most fuel injectors use 12 volts to energize the coil, and when energized, the voltage drops to almost zero. If it doesn’t drop, you have a problem with the wiring harness. It could be you have open coils inside the injector or a weak or open wiring harness.

However, it’s important to note that while most fuel injectors are 12 volts, certain vehicles may have different voltage requirements. And the fuel injectors do not work with the electric voltage alone.

What tells the fuel injectors to work?
As explained earlier, the fuel injectors in your car do not have polarity. It works with electrical pulses.

The fuel injectors receive electrical pulses from the powertrain control module, telling it when to open and close and the right amount of fuel to spray into the cylinders. The PCM also determines when the fuel injectors should adjust the fuel delivery.

The powertrain control module collects information such as the throttle position, intake air temperature, coolant temperature, engine speed, and oxygen sensor readings to determine the right amount of fuel for optimal combustion. Based on these readings, the PCM calculates the required fuel to send into each cylinder and tells each injector the appropriate fuel to inject into the cylinders.

Where do fuel injectors get power from?
The fuel injectors get power from the engine control module, also known as the car computer or powertrain control module. The car computer is the brain behind the fuel injectors’ operation. It uses information from different car sensors and the engine RPM to determine the electrical pulses to forward to the injectors.

But do fuel injectors affect performance, anyway? Yes, old, worn-out, or lousy fuel injectors drastically affect the engine performance. Since the engine control module uses the fuel injectors to send fuel into the engine, a lousy injector will not send the required fuel into the cylinders. This will invariably lead to bad gas mileage and poor engine performance.

Injector Circuit & Wiring Diagram (YouTube Video)

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Final words
This article has answered the question, do fuel injectors have a positive and negative polarity? Fuel injectors do not have a positive/negative polarity. It works with electrical pulses from the car computer, telling them the right amount of fuel to inject into each cylinder and when to adjust the input.

I have also answered other questions like does fuel injectors affect engine performance, what are the two wires in a fuel injector, and explained fuel injector working principles. It is a guide to learning everything about the fuel injectors in your car.
Original Article with links https://rxmechanic.com/do-fuel-injectors-have-a-positive-and-negative/
Osuagwu Solomon

Osuagwu Solomon is a certified mechanic with over a decade of experience in the mechanic garage, and he has over five years of experience in the writing industry. He started writing automotive articles to share his garage experience with car enthusiasts and armature mechanics. If he is not in the garage fixing challenging mechanical problems, he is writing automotive repair guides, buyer’s guides, and car and tools comparisons.

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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Quote from securesupplies on September 26th, 2023, 07:00 PM
If you wait and or live long enough all questions get answered , that is unless you make new Questions LOL

Do Fuel Injectors Have A Positive And Negative (Polarity)?
Written by Osuagwu Solomon  in Fuel System Last Updated June 13, 2023
Fuel injectors are essential to fuel delivery system components that help send fuel evenly into engine cylinders. But how do they manage electric flow to function? Do fuel injectors have a positive and negative polarity?

Fuel injectors do not have positive/negative polarity, and they work as solenoid valves with insensitive polarity. Hence the wires have no positive/negative ends. It receives electrical pulses from the engine control module, telling it when to open and close and how to adjust the fuel delivery to each cylinder.

In this article, I’ll explain everything you need to know about fuel injectors’ polarity. But first, let’s see fuel injectors working principles.

what happens if you cross fuel injector wires
Fuel Injectors Working Principle
There are two fuel systems types: carburetor and fuel injection systems. The fuel injectors are essential components in the injection system used to inject the right amount of air-fuel mixture into individual cylinders.

Fuel injectors work with the electric flow. The nozzle will open and spray fuel into the cylinders when it receives voltage.

But what tells the fuel injectors to work? Fuel injectors do not work with just electric flow. They receive instructions from the engine control unit (ECU) about the right amount of gas to inject into the cylinders and when to open and close.

The fuel injectors are controlled with pressure-sensitive springs. The injector needle valves spray atomized and pressurized fuel into individual cylinders. The needle valve lifts its seat while spraying fuel into the engine. Once the pressure stops, the needle returns to its seat, causing the fuel injection to stop.

Do fuel injectors have a positive and negative?
Fuel injector wiring does not depend on polarity. Hence, they do not have negative/positive polarity wires. If you’re asking, do fuel injectors have polarity? The answer is no. As long as one of the injector plugs is connected to the positive wire and the other is grounded (that is, connected to the negative wire), the magnetic coil will receive current, and the injectors will function properly.

what causes low voltage to fuel injectors
What are the two wires on an injector?
Most fuel injectors have two terminals that the prongs insert into. These wires are a fuel injector wire and a common rail wire. Different injector wires on the same vehicle usually have different colors. But the wire with the same color across all the injectors is the common ignition wire.

One of the wires constantly has 12 volts, while the other has 0 volts. The one with 0 volts is often called the fuel injector ground wire. You should take note of this when testing the wires to avoid thinking you have electrical issues where nothing is wrong with the vehicle.

What is the polarity of fuel injectors?
As explained earlier, fuel injectors have no polarity. It is a solenoid valve not affected nor influenced by polarity.

Unlike components like light bulbs, car batteries, and other system parts with negative and positive wires, fuel injectors are electromechanical devices controlled by electrical signals instead of direct electric currents.

The fuel injectors work using electric pulses where the powertrain control module (PCM) sends a series of electric pulses, telling them the right amount of fuel to inject into the cylinders for optimal engine performance.

Are fuel injectors 12 volts?
Yes, most fuel injectors use 12 volts to energize the coil, and when energized, the voltage drops to almost zero. If it doesn’t drop, you have a problem with the wiring harness. It could be you have open coils inside the injector or a weak or open wiring harness.

However, it’s important to note that while most fuel injectors are 12 volts, certain vehicles may have different voltage requirements. And the fuel injectors do not work with the electric voltage alone.

What tells the fuel injectors to work?
As explained earlier, the fuel injectors in your car do not have polarity. It works with electrical pulses.

The fuel injectors receive electrical pulses from the powertrain control module, telling it when to open and close and the right amount of fuel to spray into the cylinders. The PCM also determines when the fuel injectors should adjust the fuel delivery.

The powertrain control module collects information such as the throttle position, intake air temperature, coolant temperature, engine speed, and oxygen sensor readings to determine the right amount of fuel for optimal combustion. Based on these readings, the PCM calculates the required fuel to send into each cylinder and tells each injector the appropriate fuel to inject into the cylinders.

Where do fuel injectors get power from?
The fuel injectors get power from the engine control module, also known as the car computer or powertrain control module. The car computer is the brain behind the fuel injectors’ operation. It uses information from different car sensors and the engine RPM to determine the electrical pulses to forward to the injectors.

But do fuel injectors affect performance, anyway? Yes, old, worn-out, or lousy fuel injectors drastically affect the engine performance. Since the engine control module uses the fuel injectors to send fuel into the engine, a lousy injector will not send the required fuel into the cylinders. This will invariably lead to bad gas mileage and poor engine performance.

Injector Circuit & Wiring Diagram (YouTube Video)

youtube on subjest
Final words
This article has answered the question, do fuel injectors have a positive and negative polarity? Fuel injectors do not have a positive/negative polarity. It works with electrical pulses from the car computer, telling them the right amount of fuel to inject into each cylinder and when to adjust the input.

I have also answered other questions like does fuel injectors affect engine performance, what are the two wires in a fuel injector, and explained fuel injector working principles. It is a guide to learning everything about the fuel injectors in your car.
Original Article with links https://rxmechanic.com/do-fuel-injectors-have-a-positive-and-negative/
Osuagwu Solomon

Osuagwu Solomon is a certified mechanic with over a decade of experience in the mechanic garage, and he has over five years of experience in the writing industry. He started writing automotive articles to share his garage experience with car enthusiasts and armature mechanics. If he is not in the garage fixing challenging mechanical problems, he is writing automotive repair guides, buyer’s guides, and car and tools comparisons.
I Shared this Post here as it is very relevant to wiring the nano bubble water water push solenoids and the  gas controllers if using gas .

All the best Dan

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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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version 1 was Just Gas injectors,  he had it on bench for short time shown in videos than moved to buggy short time,

version 2 was the one we have which he deleted gas injectors and moved to gas/ nano bubble water into  spark plug watergas adapters ( waterspark plugs)

in version 2 we have some pictures where he is using rotor cap to delivery spark to water spark adaptors , in these pictures he hae  what seam like 1 to 2 coils very similar to tesla vibration coil spark.

Version 3 is  when I think he moved from rotor to solid state like modern cards  and hard double  hall rotor we have very little pictures of that 


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Re: Wiring the Schematic for Injector cards and Distributor cards
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 Happy Days here is a Start Gerber for Distributor card
we change meyer to Meyer already if you see any other error let me know we update gerber
it is converted to db 37  to match  injector side gms main board we are making so it can be tested advanced forward