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« on June 11th, 2020, 03:06 AM »Last edited on June 12th, 2020, 10:32 AM

The Hyduino
Hyduino (Speeduino+ H2 Gms ( Gas Management System)

Today We open the Thread
https://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3550.new#new
Here and also

Hydrogen Hot Rod Forum
https://www.hot-rod-usa.com/forum/hydrogen-hot-rod-forums/speeduino-ecu-ems-gms

Facebook Group
https://bit.ly/37mTwUo
https://www.facebook.com/groups/tunerstudiodashboards/

Github
https://github.com/SecureSupplies

Slack
https://join.slack.com/t/hydrogenhotro-vpe9599/shared_invite/zt-f16qf98z-L~~_YKUAZlPGtT5IcpakFg

Hyduino SpeeduinoForum
http://speeduino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4022&sid=c9c3c4b5f08ca86e4bf20a187f19967e#p43577

Dan

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Dan

We need to look at
latest version speeduino

First we need to look at the GMS Features we need

1 control air in % throttle air gate (it would be cool to drive a red led display like meyer just advanced back end)
https://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=822;image
https://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=824;image

2 egr % exhaust gas recycle % (it would be cool to drive a red led display like meyer just advanced back end)
https://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=821;image
https://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=823;image

3 control timing advance

the basic board would need to do this and have display or lead indicator output for %
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as easy as it seems it is not focus by others we would do this focusing
on basico speeduino abilities first to see if it can work

also on the basic board foundation speeduino

4 we would need tps output to have signal go to a seperate card of gms control circuit for the water cell,
we would need rp, indication and limiting control safety
we would need a safety card in which has on it inputs from
a mercury switch cut off,
lpg diaphragm vacuum switch input on off input
this is minimum

« Reply #2, on June 11th, 2020, 08:49 AM »

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 21:21, Chris Cashion chrisv wrote:
Speeduino's boost or vvt outputs could be programmed for tps/manifold air pressure load to drive your HHO setup. The vvt or boost control outputs work by taking the engine speed and load, and converting it to an on/off or PWM output

« Reply #3, on June 11th, 2020, 11:57 AM »

good points Dan. and a good start. As you elude to, I believe a good way to keep an overview is to make a clear wish/idea list of functions that clearly describes the need idea & purpose for each function in an itemized bullet list of some sort.

From there I will be happy to take some good time to think about a concept system solution which I believe in. Regardless I will continue the development of the extension board I mentioned in my introduction thread, which I aim to make modular and in which I aim to include many things as time goes on, so that it can be usable both for lab testing purposes to aid system calibration and experimental work as well as for use in end product for not only Voltrolysis et al, but also include many other additional functions on might find very useful to have in complex modifications of engines.

« Reply #4, on June 11th, 2020, 12:19 PM »

Just a carry over from my intro posts so it comes in to context here in this thread to what I referenced in my previous post above this one

Personally I have just started a hobby project on the idea of a complementary open source based board that could work in addition to either
1.an existing OE management (retrofit target) or
2.any aftermarket system, or
3.a speeduino (for full open source system target),
to add what ever extra functionality one might want.

My thought here is: the easier, cheaper, and more accessible, and more general the base architecture is, the better, to make it as easy as possible to get people to join and contribute, but at the same time you want to build on a system that has as much I/O as possible and a reasonably fast uC. I think Arduino Due + an array of Groves might be a good stating point so I have a setup based on that. but I am just starting so let's see..

I also think ultimately some, if not all, of the low voltage waveform generation can be condensed to this additional complimentary expansion ECU board (or speeduino if it has enough IO, which i suspect it might not have, or that to control GMS one would need to steal IO that is better suited to retain other functions in the speeduino).

This (EMS(variant 1,2 or 3 above) + Expansion board) could simplify the over all structure of boards and devices needed for a working Voltrolysis EMS+GMS system. It would give almost endless degrees of freedom for both wave form generation and logic to process inputs from the vehicles existing sensors and the info available on the CAN or other network.

« Reply #5, on June 11th, 2020, 08:11 PM »

noted everyone building

« Reply #6, on June 11th, 2020, 10:28 PM »

Quote from securesupplies on June 11th, 2020, 08:49 AM

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 21:21, Chris Cashion chrisv wrote:
Speeduino's boost or vvt outputs could be programmed for tps/manifold air pressure load to drive your HHO setup. The vvt or boost control outputs work by taking the engine speed and load, and converting it to an on/off or PWM output

YES GREAT

so we could avoid this board and just use sensor direct to Hydruino

Nice. I'm reminded how a vacuum advance distributor works.......by just using the pressure drop at the intake manifold it automatically advances the timing to match load and engine speeds. The basic idea being you can take a simple signal DIRECTLY from some physical state of the engine at that time and AUTOMATICALLY adjust (in this case pulse with and duration) on the fly BY ITSELF by just feeding that signal through a simple algorithm.

Just thinking out loud here.

Thanks for the expansion on it, all helps to better Acceleerate understanding in the Hydruino
build

https://youtu.be/-UoFbUasFGY

« Reply #10, on June 12th, 2020, 02:46 AM »

https://wiki.speeduino.com/en/home

manual

« Reply #11, on June 12th, 2020, 02:47 AM »

https://youtu.be/8GH9gS_4JFc

« Reply #12, on June 12th, 2020, 03:24 AM »

Version 3 seams like a full replacement euc best to study this one first

i put git hub index here

zip being done gerbs and boms

Dan

« Reply #13, on June 12th, 2020, 09:48 AM »

notes

« Reply #14, on June 12th, 2020, 10:23 AM »

Tps gauge is a default gauge of tunerstudio.
2. Egr duty cycle can be modified off of the boost, idle or vvt outputs of the ecu and you would use their gauge in tunerstudio.
3.The ecu is fully standalone and completely controls timing advance. from -30 to 180 degrees.
4. You can either tap into the 0-5v tps return signal
from the ecu, or you could use any of the ecu's outputs.
You can even modify the code on the board to run your own outputs on pins! All of our code is open source so anyone
with programming background can modify it.

Thanks Chris
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