Hi everyone,

I just finished my latest rendition of my VIC drive circuit. If you haven't seen the video on youtube explaining how it works you can watch it here:


                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAvH90dqn78

Enjoy

Great Work  Man Nice one

Hms,

Can you asisit on 2 question i have  as we continue our decifering
 so we can further  show how theese key are are to be understood

1 why this resisitor here and how it is wired what does it do?

'WIRE WOUND' 220 ohm 5 Watt resistor sitting in the middle of that pulsing magnetic field
it is on lc2?
I attachd a pic is this right ?
to tune it >
 how is it wired there? and why is it there>?
examlpe it is  because they do not want to
rewind lc choke to tune to inner tube? orr is it a fine tune?
and wiring diagram on resisitor  would help dissolve mystery on that placement

2  drawing floating around has the attached  centre tap off secondary ,
inot sure how to expand and detail correctly the explanation of this.
i am not sure we want to ground anythign so not sure why it is shown
what does this do and why ? 

centre tap which model or version of stans  is this from ?
again this is to take away mystery and put it into a specific version reference. and use.
so people can gain better understanding. of wha not to do or do
all comments by all members welcomed.

Dan
 

Ronnie said the 220 ohm coil was in place to make the primary 10 ohms.

I don't think that was correct but there may be something he knows that I don't...The reason why I don't think it was correct is because that resistor is in parallel with the primary coil, so the voltages across each are equal, so the 220 ohm resistor has no affect on the current flowing through the primary coil.

Seems to me to just be a part of the snubber circuit-when you put square waves with sharp rising/falling edges through an inductor (primary coil) you have the possibility of high voltage spikes from V=L*di/dt. The parallel diode blocks the high voltage spikes and the resistor is probably used to dissipate that energy.

IMO The water is labeled as 0V because it acts like a ground-it provides a path to take electrons out of the circuit and drain the source of its energy.

The center tap was only shown in the VIC matrix circuit. It's meant to provide a better voltage balance across the secondary coil by blocking harmonics-It blocks out harmonics which could cause the coil to operate incorrectly.

ok

I am Starting to Work on th Gas Fed Back Circuit I invit Mmber to  try help identify parts numbers and Bom

Also I have  selected the key red vic atric boards
out of the  GMS they make the input to the vic matrix

the ones circled blue are  the ems or ecu/ most are in standard dar ecu now.
 
so for the red  i want to show the pin out of each board power in power out and inputs to the vic

any  pin out or join the dots ( k, j, tx etc )
 in ms  paint help appreeciated

We are  nearing full parts  opend sourced on forum  now

Dan

Some progress , need more people helping to review and connect dots to
complete

Hey guys.  Here's a thought for you.

We know that the WFC is a variable capacitor.  We know that the goal is to increase the resistance and reduce the capacitance by replacing the water in the WFC with the gas that it is producing.  We know that there were open gaps in the outer tubes near the tops of the tubes.  We also know that so far we have been unable to produce enough gas to replace all the water in the tubes to get the voltage we want.

Here's what I'm thinking.  We  don't need the entire tube filled with water.  I highly doubt we even need the entire tube to produce the gas.   If the entire length of the tube was constantly producing gas, it would never clear and refill entirely.  So, block off the lower 3/4 of the section between the inner and outer tubes with a seal so that only the upper section is actually doing gas production.  Once the lower section converts the water to gas and pushes out the water, it will stay as gas which is what we want.  Then we only need to worry about the small upper section.  This reduces the capacitance and increases the resistance immediately.  And we still have the full length of the cell acting as a capacitor.

Quote from timeshell on April 30th, 2020, 05:38 PM

Hey guys.  Here's a thought for you.

We know that the WFC is a variable capacitor.  We know that the goal is to increase the resistance and reduce the capacitance by replacing the water in the WFC with the gas that it is producing.  We know that there were open gaps in the outer tubes near the tops of the tubes.  We also know that so far we have been unable to produce enough gas to replace all the water in the tubes to get the voltage we want.

Here's what I'm thinking.  We  don't need the entire tube filled with water.  I highly doubt we even need the entire tube to produce the gas.   If the entire length of the tube was constantly producing gas, it would never clear and refill entirely.  So, block off the lower 3/4 of the section between the inner and outer tubes with a seal so that only the upper section is actually doing gas production.  Once the lower section converts the water to gas and pushes out the water, it will stay as gas which is what we want.  Then we only need to worry about the small upper section.  This reduces the capacitance and increases the resistance immediately.  And we still have the full length of the cell acting as a capacitor.

This could offer a way to check if your circuit follows cell capacitance and changes pulse frequency accordingly.
When you see that it's working according to plan, reduce "cell seal" to say 50% and see what gives.
And so on :thumbsup:

Quote from securesupplies on April 30th, 2020, 01:16 AM

Some progress , need more people helping to review and connect dots to
complete

Best to focus on the job at hand , the cell can easily be adjusted with nano bubbles and / orr coating or lining
Current focus is the total matrix wiring  loom , the tuning of thesee is rather trival at this point
the wiring loom  infrastructure is what wee work on.

Dan

Timeshell, Lynx

That is a good thing to try, but it won't help to solve our biggest problem, getting the VIC to work.
If the VIC is working it will hit resonance and produce close to 20kV on a completely dry cell.

Dan,
I am only working on the VIC and cell for now. Until those things are understood I am not going to waste my time with the other systems. Once we get the VIC and cell working the rest (besides the GP) is just control electronics, nothing difficult. You can get an older edition of 'Understanding Automotive Electronics' and it will explain how many of the systems Stan used worked. It's all pretty basic, the difference is Stan's was meant to be highly adjustable so he could tune it for the fuel he used, that's why his electronics looked so complex, really they were nothing different than what was already being done back in those days.

If you really want to know how all the control circuits work take them to an electronics engineer, pay him a couple grand and he can probably tell you how everything worked without question.

Quote from HMS-776 on May 2nd, 2020, 10:25 AM

Timeshell, Lynx

That is a good thing to try, but it won't help to solve our biggest problem, getting the VIC to work.
If the VIC is working it will hit resonance and produce close to 20kV on a completely dry cell.

I wish I had the drive you have Brad,we're fortunate to have you here.

Just as food for thought:
Let's say you were to do just that, to dry run the cell by first starting out with completely water-immersed tubes, firing up your setup, slowly drain the cell from water and observe pulse frequency as more air enters cell cavities and, well, try to estimate cell voltage while the cell is being drained and see if resonance is maintained and what voltage would the tubes end up with getting from your VIC when they're completely dry?

Quote from HMS-776 on May 2nd, 2020, 10:25 AM

Dan,
I am only working on the VIC and cell for now. Until those things are understood I am not going to waste my time with the other systems. Once we get the VIC and cell working the rest (besides the GP) is just control electronics, nothing difficult. You can get an older edition of 'Understanding Automotive Electronics' and it will explain how many of the systems Stan used worked. It's all pretty basic, the difference is Stan's was meant to be highly adjustable so he could tune it for the fuel he used, that's why his electronics looked so complex, really they were nothing different than what was already being done back in those days.

If you really want to know how all the control circuits work take them to an electronics engineer, pay him a couple grand and he can probably tell you how everything worked without question.

I agree completely with you on this Brad.  As far as I'm concerned, the rest of it is a waste of effort without a functioning cell.

Quote from HMS-776 on May 2nd, 2020, 10:25 AM

That is a good thing to try, but it won't help to solve our biggest problem, getting the VIC to work.
If the VIC is working it will hit resonance and produce close to 20kV on a completely dry cell.

MIne was part of a get people thinking comment.  Here's another get people thinking question:  Which frequency is more important?  The frequency of the cell when dry or when full of water?  And why?  (I already have my own answer btw)

Well  I do disagree as we have several major things completed  we keep going each person dose what they can
As HMS rrightly said no one person can do all it is all the little achievements they make it, 

 that firrms fixes makes the reesult nstopable.
Mean while we do it anyway 

i think it is more about gettting right parts to the right people spread globally. 
So open source we are  an  army spread across all corners of there world.

You're free to do what you want Dan.  However, I don't think you should assume that everyone's goal is the same as yours.

Quote from timeshell on May 3rd, 2020, 10:05 AM

Here's another get people thinking question:  Which frequency is more important?  The frequency of the cell when dry or when full of water?  And why?  (I already have my own answer btw)

Could be argued they're all important as they all play a role in the whole Meyer process of turning water into fuel.
From the get go all cell cavities are filled with water, which is where the dead-short removing process begins, which has it's frequency, duty cycle, amplitude, etc. Then as more gas fills up cell cavities frequency must change in order to maintain resonance and with less dead-shorting cell voltage will/can be upped accordingly. And so on all the way up to when the kilovolts starts taking over the process turning water into gas the Meyer way, which if I understand it correctly means maintaining a fracturing process as opposed to a brute force Faradic electrolysis process.

But what's your answer?

attached got to here a few leeft to do 

I don't believe we start with a voltaic fracturing.  I believe the process must start with electrolysis and eventually switches to voltaic fracturing.  Water resistance is too low at the beginning of the process.  At what point does the gas production cause resistance to become high enough to switch over to voltaic fracturing?  How is this related to the frequency differences between a cell filled with water and a cell filled with gas?

electrolysis is the wrong word  we do not usee that word  are all in this  format of tech

stan says that in several videos, not to use th wrod  electrolysis

as his Process VAeerions all of them emply no salts and the term Electrolysis  implies electrolytes and  or  salts,
which is not the case.  so we are salt free just plain water and if possibl distilled  or ultra pure double distilled is best for power.

Yes  I see HMS shows that once bubbles go in with the correct dc vltag the resistance improves,
there are however ways to do that in cell mechanically to aid the start,  onnia also mentiond that

many have put lots of volts in and have no bubbles there is a reeason ,
See DBD barrier Voltrolysis   
always DC

Any ays focsing on things  alot of ths as cveerd  in othr threads.
it is important to not the watr hold nan bbbles foo long priods and that improvs each start up
so if just topping up tank that has  h2 ich waterrs it is bttr than cmpleete clean out
Dan

Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen gas due to the passage of an electric current.
Wikipedia - Electrolysis

Adding electrolyte would be required for efficient electrolysis of distilled water, but it can be done without it.  Tap water has enough impurities to start electrolysis without adding any additional electrolytes.

Tap water will conduct electric current.  People are electrocuted all the time.  Therefore, the water cell, which Stan said can be done with tap water, can and will conduct electric current and therefore will at least start the process with conventional electrolysis.

That being said, I in no way intended to imply that Stan's method is solely by electrolysis or that it requires electrolyte.  I am simply emphasizing that it has to start out that way.  You couldn't produce gas in the cell to start displacing the water otherwise.  It's simple logic.

Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen gas due to the passage of an electric current.in the form of amps, which is taught in every school. Wikipedia - Electrolysis YES but that s not what we do  Stans is different

Adding electrolyte would be required for efficient electrolysis of distilled water, if you did not want to do any thing new and wanted to use the old outdated technology of electrolysis  using salts and / or electrolys.

Making Hydrogen  can be done without it.  (no salt no electrolytes.)
Tap water has enough impurities to start electrolysis without adding any additional electrolytes.
Yes But again this is not what we are doing unless you want to use outdated technology using electrolysis

Electrolysis
this is statement is old outdated technology

Wiki is  dealing with hisitory not the current state of the art.
Electrolysis by definition is using electrolytes
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Voltrolysis
does not work on current load AMPS ,  not a current load elctrolytes driven system so by using gate and no electrolytes near zero amps or low amps it work very different.
and does not have elctrolyttes to caused load draw.aka ams  wee  has a gate and 3 sec rest time to avoid amp draw,
cell is a capacitor and built like one to advance it.

it is prefferred to be double distilled water as the end water fuel  / gas has more  force
when pure water used
but yes tap water works in voltrolysis and not in electrolysis efeectively
 but not as well due to contaminates and minerals put in it ,

Voltrolysis  works on voltage , if you have no dea what I am talkign about look up DBD barrier Hydrogen Production.
Stans method is in no way related or close to electrrolysis in any form and is more related to DBD barrier methods.

Just so we are clear. Salts electrolytes ground the  water gas  and static charges in the water tanks and gas
this makes the resulting gas implosive. a negative charged water in a bubbler will do same   

Not the gas we are looking for,

 As electrolysis is out dated technology as random mixed implosive hho old tech..

Voltrolysis maintains DBD barrierr voltage build up in the cell and avoids grounding the water fuel /  gas and tank,
thus allowing surface tension to build with the + charge and allows a cold process. to aid the saturations of Nano bubbles and
explosive gas to be prroduced due to electron extraction to + surface this is fuurther aided by electrron extract techniques.

Current State of the art is Voltrolysis not Electrolysis or electrolytes.

IT may be hard to fllow this but over time if you re read it and re study points in it you will see how valuable this post is DD

Dan, I really have to say I don't think you have any clue to either 1) what I'm talking about or 2) what you're talking about.  Either way, I'm not going to debate with you about it at this point.

The Question to consider is Resisitance a State of charge or not..........

Guys, have you ever noticed how aerated water bubbles often seen to just be suspended in the water rather than float to the top?  Hmmmmm?

Interesting picture Dan, is that one of Stan's original circuit boards your looking at or is that someone else in the picture?

Cool to see people are making the boards. That's alot of work right there.

Quote from HMS-776 on May 9th, 2020, 05:45 PM

Interesting picture Dan,
is that one of Stan's original circuit boards your looking at or is that someone else in the picture?
Cool to see people are making the boards. That's alot of work right there.

Yes they are very well tested exact replications.
trying to pull out the vic matrix and show it wired

 pls have a glace at this if you see more
lables that can go on ,

or addional in / out lines or interboard connection
please add

I have tried not to make errors on the vic card tab  there may be errors
as it look like dual layer connects on tab hard to trace all

Every comment and correction helps
 
if you want blank boards I can send them  free to
known long term forum people dont be
shy to ask we need eevery one trying
just pay shipping

Dan